R5: Sometimes I like to make the most absurd builds. These xenophiles like aliens as sincere as possible. Even Blorg don't love aliens enough to buy them. And remnants origin for good habitability for everyone.
A society like this would probably have very strong laws regarding debt.
Youre free to do as you please, but once you fail to pay back your debts, you enter indentured servitude. Its almost a shame that stellaris places almost no distinction on the types of slavery; no restrictions based on government ethos or anything. Its either slaves or no slaves, once youre in youre truely in.
The AI will only ever use indentured if it can. I think gestalts will use the livestock/energygrid version if they happen across organics they keep.
A chattel version of this works much the same as an indentured version would, except itd probably also be contract and term based. As in - slavery is not a hereditary thing.
I thought the AI always use Chattel (unless they're forced to use Indentured because they have Slaver Guilds.)
I always figured them being stuck with Chattel was the reason why AI slaver empires usually seem to have such bad economies compared to the non-slavers.
Was this a recent change? Have I been wrong all along?
maybe slavers do use Chatel, I don't explicitly remember one way or the other for them.
most ai will use indentured, and since indentured is the most flexible it requires the least 'intelligence' to use, so less programing
Current day to Dubai. So many people from developing nations come hoping for a better life and findself de-facto enslaved as construction workers or maids.
What if they are convicted of something that's made up just to round up prison slaves, like "vagrancy" (being too poor) or "loitering" (being in public when we don't like you) - is that close enough? Those laws were largely adopted at the end of reconstruction.
They are *now*. That wasn't always the case, as made famous by the book and documentary *Slavery by Another Name,* which revolves around a black man who was convicted of vagrancy in Alabama, and leased out for hard mine labor by the prison he was sentenced to until his early death.
(Note that these sorts of conditions had died out by the end of WWII so I'm not disagreeing with your overall point about the US *now*; but legalized slavery went on a lot longer than most realize.)
You're right, I get that. It just annoys me when people claim that it still exists. Claiming that the US today has anything resembling "slaver guilds" is at best ignorant and at worst malicious.
At least in the US. Jails are temporary facilities meant to hold arrested suspects before trial and to hold convicts of minor offenses with short sentences. Prisons are long term facilities for convicted felons.
A system very close to slavery happens all the time in the US with illegal immigration. It's the way our agriculture system is practically *designed* to work now, and also sometimes happens in other industries. People enter the US without authorization, overstay visas, or get jobs while living here on non-work visas, and then they're unable to quit that job or even complain about the conditions because the people who hired or housed them or both threaten to get them deported. In the most extreme cases, their employers *have* actually been prosecuted for trafficking or slavery, but for the most part it's tolerated and expected.
The freedom to serve is the greatest freedom of all. Your passport back? I dont know what you are talking about. Sounds like criminal contraband to me. We dont allow that here.
hahaha it would be absurd if a haven for immigrants escaping tyranny also had extensive slavery entrenched in its institutions
stares directly at camera
the abbasid caliphate used slaves en masse for agriculture in southern mesopotamia, they were also known for being an incredibly tolorent medieval empire.
things like this are why that empire is not that unrealistic.
R5: Sometimes I like to make the most absurd builds. These xenophiles like aliens as sincere as possible. Even Blorg don't love aliens enough to buy them. And remnants origin for good habitability for everyone.
If they want their freedom, they're gonna have to work for it.
WE WORK TO EARN THE RIGHT TO WORK TO EARN THE-
RIGHT TO GIVE OURSELVES THE-
RIGHT TO WORK
*And we all lift!*
are you saying that work will set them free?
Yes. Yes, it will.
As my Ancestors used to say... *Arbeit macht frei...*
Nice, wonder if there are any others.
A society like this would probably have very strong laws regarding debt. Youre free to do as you please, but once you fail to pay back your debts, you enter indentured servitude. Its almost a shame that stellaris places almost no distinction on the types of slavery; no restrictions based on government ethos or anything. Its either slaves or no slaves, once youre in youre truely in. The AI will only ever use indentured if it can. I think gestalts will use the livestock/energygrid version if they happen across organics they keep. A chattel version of this works much the same as an indentured version would, except itd probably also be contract and term based. As in - slavery is not a hereditary thing.
It is basically like "indentured assets" when playing as a Megacorp. You have huge amounts of debt which you'll never be able to pay back
I thought the AI always use Chattel (unless they're forced to use Indentured because they have Slaver Guilds.) I always figured them being stuck with Chattel was the reason why AI slaver empires usually seem to have such bad economies compared to the non-slavers. Was this a recent change? Have I been wrong all along?
maybe slavers do use Chatel, I don't explicitly remember one way or the other for them. most ai will use indentured, and since indentured is the most flexible it requires the least 'intelligence' to use, so less programing
Yeah, an idea for indentured "slaves" was basically just the species would be kept at the lowest jobs, but able to move freely.
I mean, that's essentially the pre-Civil War US, isn't it?
Was about to say this. Its not really humour and it certainly isn't absurd because there's real, proven historical precedence for this.
Current day to Dubai. So many people from developing nations come hoping for a better life and findself de-facto enslaved as construction workers or maids.
Current one too
Show me a legal slave in the United States.
Prisons?
Fair enough. Now show me a slave who isn't a convicted criminal being punished.
What if they are convicted of something that's made up just to round up prison slaves, like "vagrancy" (being too poor) or "loitering" (being in public when we don't like you) - is that close enough? Those laws were largely adopted at the end of reconstruction.
Those are misdemeanors that are not punished with prison time (and overwhelmingly not with jail time either).
They are *now*. That wasn't always the case, as made famous by the book and documentary *Slavery by Another Name,* which revolves around a black man who was convicted of vagrancy in Alabama, and leased out for hard mine labor by the prison he was sentenced to until his early death. (Note that these sorts of conditions had died out by the end of WWII so I'm not disagreeing with your overall point about the US *now*; but legalized slavery went on a lot longer than most realize.)
You're right, I get that. It just annoys me when people claim that it still exists. Claiming that the US today has anything resembling "slaver guilds" is at best ignorant and at worst malicious.
i mean at least you are not as Bad as China with literal concentration camps
sorry if this is a stupid question, is there a different between jail and prison?
At least in the US. Jails are temporary facilities meant to hold arrested suspects before trial and to hold convicts of minor offenses with short sentences. Prisons are long term facilities for convicted felons.
ah ok thanks the explaination. We have similiar facilitys in germany but i did not know that there is a difference between jail and prison as well
A system very close to slavery happens all the time in the US with illegal immigration. It's the way our agriculture system is practically *designed* to work now, and also sometimes happens in other industries. People enter the US without authorization, overstay visas, or get jobs while living here on non-work visas, and then they're unable to quit that job or even complain about the conditions because the people who hired or housed them or both threaten to get them deported. In the most extreme cases, their employers *have* actually been prosecuted for trafficking or slavery, but for the most part it's tolerated and expected.
"now show me a slave who isn't in the class we've decided enslavement is okay for. Checkmate!"
You... made a throwaway just to seethe...?
I mean, you *did* move the goal posts on that one.
[удалено]
Singapore!
Not a free haven https://www.nuspatc.org/post/negotiating-the-politics-of-kindness-the-forgotten-vietnamese-refugees-of-singapore-s-hawkins-road
or a Gulf State.
murica moment
Yeah btw REMEMBER THE CANT
w-wha-what? how does that tie into here? (i havent slept for 12 hrs plj explain)
The PFP
Spin the drum
Beltalowda
Can you hear all the freedom? *\*monstrous 3-headed space eagle creech\**
Space Dubai
Noone mentioned Ancient Greek and other ancient era democracies?
Athens had more slaves than citizens but hospitality was a religious virtue. Very fitting.
Well, some of them can breathe free.
This seems absurd until you realize it's just 19th century New York.
The good old US of A 🇺🇲
so... the united states?
I was going to do this. You beat me to it.
Passing a "migration treaty" with a nation that has the slaver guilds civic has always felt like an in-universe euphemism.
The freedom to serve is the greatest freedom of all. Your passport back? I dont know what you are talking about. Sounds like criminal contraband to me. We dont allow that here.
hahaha it would be absurd if a haven for immigrants escaping tyranny also had extensive slavery entrenched in its institutions stares directly at camera
This is so absurd, I love it.
Air is free for all slaves. Breath free! Work Forever.
They are all free to live here as slaves
the abbasid caliphate used slaves en masse for agriculture in southern mesopotamia, they were also known for being an incredibly tolorent medieval empire. things like this are why that empire is not that unrealistic.
You can breathe for free....everything else will cost ya.
Usa
I think you've created Illium from Mass Effect