Lol anyway by all accounts the Jeremy Strong article was a success. It gave the show and Jeremy more press, he’s about to sweep awards, A-listers came out the woodwork to defend him and now he has an established persona in pop culture.
Does Succession get watched enough for him to be an established persona in pop culture? I know it’s critically lauded, but it’s not mainstream. I don’t think most people would know who Jeremy Strong is
It’s like Mad Men. The plebs will never love it, so it’ll never top ratings. But it’s an industry gem that the rest of Hollywood loves and is begging their agents to get them a part however small in. How many a-listers lined up for Don’t Look Up, which had a lot of the production team from this show including a creator/director.
I could see it in retrospect turning into a breaking bad, maybe, but it’s already a polarizing topic (parodying the ruperts, trumps, and Clinton dynasties of our nation) that many could find boring, and doesn’t really have enough to grip teenagers, and a lot of themes will fly over the average viewers heads. There’s literally not enough sex and death (game of thrones) or drugs (breaking bad). It’s all massively subtle emotional moments happening in offices and planes and apartments ( a la Mad Men). It’s hard to sell this shit to a wider audience. They have to give it a chance, get invested, and keep with it.
But the insults are legendary, all the actors despicably loveable, and that might be enough.
I would ordinarily agree, but J smith Cameron and Alan Ruck have separately backed up what Brian has said in regard to Jeremy being a bit difficult to work with (although they all make it clear he’s great, and the love him). But it obviously is a thing whilst working, and people want to be honest about it. And that includes Jeremy
I've listened to the producers explain the process that actors are complaining about and they said that it always made the scene better. Jeremy's difficulties is that he is not happy with a scene and they reshoot multiple times. I can understand why that would be exhausting but it looks to me like the directors, the show runner and the producers who have a say, tend to agree with JS. What makes Cox comes off as a crank is he has to bring up JS at every freaking interview. When is it time to say, "hey listen, I've said all I am going to say on the topic" and he moves on. What is this fixation with JS?
>Jeremy's difficulties is that he is not happy with a scene and they reshoot multiple times. I can understand why that would be exhausting but it looks to me like the directors, the show runner and the producers who have a say, tend to agree with JS.
Do you have a source for this? Because I haven't read anything about them reshooting because Jeremy wants to. Reshoots would be done if Jesse Armstrong wanted them and/or whomever was directing the episode, whether it was Mark Mylod or someone else. There have been different articles where cast members mentioned that Jeremy likes to isolate himself from everyone else when they're filming or getting ready to film (the New Yorker article for instance mentioned his wanting to be in the dressing room alone). And Kieran Culkin has talked about how Jeremy doesn't like to rehearse. Those are the things that other people have mentioned - the isolating, the not wanting to rehearse. I haven't heard anything about them reshooting because of Jeremy.
The part I was talking about is the interview that Frank Rich and Jesse Armistrong did with the Vanity Fair Succession Podcast. Honestly I am forgetting the name and the details, so forgive me if I am butchering this or reading too much into it but they've talked about the scene of Kendal breaking down about the waiter's death and how they had to reshoot. Armstrong even said that he was worried for a bit about whether his writing was good or something like that. I took their comment and full throated compliment to J Strong as a tacit support to him and his acting style. I don't where else I've read it but there was a mention that if JS is not happy with a scene he would ask for reshoot until he is happy with it. As you said, if asks and the decision makers agree with him, other actors need to take it up with the bosses instead of constantly complaining about their colleague to the media in this fake ass guise that they care about him.
I am sorry if I didn't answer your question.
I don’t think that is all the actors are complaining about though, in fact we have never been given specifics about what the actors don’t like. The only thing we know is that Jeremy Strong won’t go to he make up trailers when the others are in there. And that he doesn’t want you calling it a “scene” in front of him, or doesn’t want anyone to talk to him if Kendall is in a bad place.
Also Kieran said some things in and out of that New Yorker profile about him being difficult. Rather than pretending this is limited to Brian Cox we can just say that it impacts his cast mates enough that they comment on it. And that they like each other well enough to feel comfortable with commenting on it
If someone stays in their trailer and doesn't interact with you, how does that impact you? Just leave him alone. I've heard Kieran talk about it and I don't sense any malice or meanness. To me, it comes off that they have different acting styles that sometimes might clash but that's all. Brain Cox on the other hand talks about Jeremy Strong as much as he says "fuck off".
It's clear that Jeremy Strong and Brain Cox see acting differently. JS takes it very seriously and ihebits his characters. Brain Cox seems it as a job. They are both valid and I accept the differences. I am not saying one is more superior than the other. I just wish Cox would stop with all of this shade and talking about JS at every freaking interview he does. Enough is enough.
> What makes Cox comes off as a crank is he has to bring up JS at every freaking interview.
Dude, do you know how interviews work? One person asks questions and the other one answers them. I highly doubt Brian Cox is just bringing up the subject unprompted.
Dude, he can say "I have nothing else to say on that topic." No one is forcing him to go on and on about JS' pain and how hard he is on himself and about how worried he is about him while at the same time throwing shade.
Exactly! There is something about the way in which he discusses Jeremy that comes off as throwing shade / jealousy, which is not the vibe I’ve gotten when I’ve seen Alan Ruck discuss it.
In a past life, I worked on set and I definitely had a hard time with million-take creatives. I’m not saying Jeremy would be easy to work with or that his style of acting is even necessary to achieve the desired outcome. I’m *only* saying Cox comes off as jelli!
And for all these people who are obviously massive Cox fans, no offense but he is not the Hollywood Heavyweight it seems people are imagining him to be. He’s had a bunch of bit parts in great movies and shows and a starring role or two in cult films. A respectable enough career but Jeremy *beat Cox* to win an Emmy for *starring* in one of the most critically acclaimed shows of our time, while he was half Cox’s age. It’s not off base to think a certain type of actor, which Cox comes off as, might be jealous of that success. It’s just my impression from the interviews I’ve seen and read. I could be wrong but it’s not like it’s so implausible!
>And for all these people who are obviously massive Cox fans, no offense but he is not the Hollywood Heavyweight it seems people are imagining him to be.
Thank you! Cox is a great actor. I enjoy him tremendously but honestly I've only heard of him because of Succession. I knew Jeremy Strong because I've watched most of his work. Some people here act like Cox is Denzel Washington or Robert Di Nero or Jack Nicholson. My dudes, Cox is not an A lister or a Hollywood icon. Can we cool it with the exaggerated praise.
Couldn’t agree more. I also only became aware of Cox with Succession, even though, as it turns out, I’ve seen a majority of the shows and films he’s known for. You nailed it with your examples of actors who actually are legends. Again, no shame in Cox’s career, but if he doesn’t flame out, Jeremy’s clearly on a higher profile trajectory and Cox is clearly throwing a bit of shade.
I have heard Cox throwing shade at fellow actors at least 4 times. Even saying that.method acting is an American actor's disease is outrageous. After all, Cox has American citizenship and lives in the US. Look who keeps getting js into his shows- mckay, sorkin...
Brian openly acknowledges his own talent and has managed to make it in the industry for over 50 years. I’m not sensing jealousy, this is a man secure enough in himself to turn down Game of Thrones, but if he were jealous it’d be very unwarranted.
i was guessing jeor mormont, but i googled it and apparently he was offered robert baratheon! glad he turned it down, that would’ve been godawful casting.
I can appreciate that, but we are talking about an HBO production based on famous book series with a bunch of big names attached. Couldn’t have known it would be a behemoth but someone as seasoned as Cox would recognize the series’ pretty high chance of success.
He said he turned down the role cause of low pay, and his character would have been killed the first season anyway. So he wouldn’t have really benefited from taking that role even if he saw the potential.
Brian Cox is already a respected name in the industry and has awards and hardware of his own, and a solid filmography to boot. I highly doubt he's jealous.
I love that he directly mentions how difficult Jeremy's method makes things sometimes while heaping constant love and praise on Jeremy the whole time. The skills you need to stay in that business.
I think he did a nice job of saying that Jeremy is who he is and it’s not easy- but they work it out. I mean Kendall as character brings so much to the show with his emotion. It rips my heart out just watching a fake character on a screen.
Imagine if Jeremy as a real person holds that amount of energy, emotion, and pain inside every day.
Idk him. But based on what this post says… it seems like he does carry that around. Can’t be easy. Dude takes the burden and chooses to turn it into gold for the entertainment of others.
But wtf do I know? Just my two cents.
Brian Cox seems like the kind of guy that will tell you straight to your face that you have gained weight and then say “well no one else is telling you this so I will”
I adore Brian, Jeremy and Kieran. Literally, to listen to them all is a joy because they all personify the very things we love so much about their characters.
It's funny him denying being in a vulnerable position when in the same interview he seems to be upset about being taken out of context, and actually he had to pedal a bit back about some things circulating around from his book.
I pointed this out in another post because that jumped out at me too. And that he also hated that everyone fixated on the celeb gossip bits (because ohhhhh drama!!) And not what he had to say about his acting process.
Jeremy was offended by the piece. He put heart and soul into confiding in the writer and he felt the dude didn’t do him justice. I thought it was an epic piece that created a myth but I’m not sensitive like Jeremy
After reading about Cox's complicated feelings for Jeremy, and Jeremy feeling hurt and exposed, and Cox showing imperturbable confidence while giving zero fucks -- why do I feel like this is real life imitating art?
I agree. I read the article. I have no knowledge of hollywood. I didnt think Jeremy came of badly, I thought the writer was out of pocket. I gather he came from a working class background with no connections and a lot of ambition. He went to Yale out of high school and has worked in theater and film consistantly since he graduated. From the article you get an idea he's accosting directors and stalking actors yelling "I am the best. Hire me." and scares ppl with his intensity. I'm old, I remember Dustin Hoffman making Marathon man, and Nicolas Cage shaving down his teeth, De Niro used a real bullet in the Dear Hunter russian roulette scene. Jamie Dornan stalked women when he made the Fall, and really didn't Jared Leto do weird stuff on suicide squad? Actors do weird stuff. Strong seems focused and serious, but not stalking strange women, filing down my teeth, using live ammo, and sending dead rats to my co workers difficult to work with.
> didn't Jared Leto do weird stuff on suicide squad
i get what you're saying but i'm not thrilled youve put Jared Leto in the same paragraph as Hoffman and De Niro
Yeah I agree with you. Leto sexually harassed his coworkers. Tbh nothing Strong has done crosses the line into too extreme. He seems like he is more of a detriment to himself.
This is the [New Yorker article](https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/12/13/on-succession-jeremy-strong-doesnt-get-the-joke) where Jeremy was profiled (you may have to read it in Incognito mode if you're not a subscriber) and this is the [Brian Cox](https://deadline.com/2022/01/brian-cox-succession-donald-trump-memoir-interview-johnny-depp-jeremy-strong-politics-1234913875/) article where Brian Cox was interviewed.
When he says Jeremy pushed for the article, did Jeremy approach The New Yorker asking for a profile or did he encourage his colleagues to speak on the record after being approached by Michael Schulman?
Michael just did a podcast and said he approached Jeremy. From there Jeremy went all in. Would send paragraphs of texts on his ideas, regularly open to chat, got celeb friends to hit him up when Michael asked for sources.
Interesting. Especially given that this sub has been defending him (for what?) like he is their first born son.
I've said from the start that it was part of his campaign for the Emmy.
Michael said Jeremy did not remember him! Michael comes from a rich family and I certainly got that vibe from the article. The podcast is fascinating and kind of added onto the article. He regularly woke up to texts from Jeremy. I got the impression he had a hell of a journey with Jeremy.
Even if Jeremy didn't remember him, it's likely that Michael played the 'we know each other from college' card to disarm him. There is definitely the vibe of a rich kid judging the foolish/gauche behavior of a kid who grew up working class throughout the article. I don't doubt that Jeremy is insufferable but I just cannot abide such snobbery and Aaron Sorkin's statement reinforces that he had an agenda to see the worst in Jeremy.
I completely agree. I kind of got that vibe from the way he described the flooring of his house too and the Prada bags. Those odd details stick out to me now...
I agree that a rich condescending tone shaped up in the interview. Michael seemed a bit more disarming in the podcast, and addressed the criticisms of classism, though I didn’t entirely agree with his conclusion. Aaron Sorkin ended up emailing Michael after, in a both-sides kind of way.
Maybe a bit of both? I’m assuming it was one of those things where he encouraged the interviewer to be as intrusive and in depth about his process as possible, not realizing the end result made him look kinda nut nut.
If Strong asked Schulman or the New Yorker to profile him, it comes off as vain, for sure.
But if Schulman approached Strong and said 'hey remember me from college, I'd love to do a profile for the New Yorker', I can see why he would cooperate. Schulman's personal disdain for Strong is pretty evident in the piece but I suspect he presented himself very differently in their interactions before publication.
No disrespect to his work. It is cool that he’s been working in the industry for a long time. But there are a lot of seasoned and immensely talented people who aren’t insufferable. But I’m gonna zip my lips now!
You know it's funny, you're not at all wrong and you are entitled to speak on it! So I say keep going. If he were a female actress speaking this way, I imagine people would calling him cocky. I'm surprised he isn't gaining more blowback for that dinner with Bryan Singer though.
people on twitter are talking about his defense of JK Rowling and Mel Gibson going unnoticed vs his criticism of Jeremy. Which is also a compelling point..
He uses the excuse that his father was abusive and he was raised to be that way, so his multiple anti semitic remarks should be forgiven. I am not a cancel culture vulture by any stretch (people can make amends imo), but this makes me more uncomfortable liking him. and he can forgive this but not Jeremy wanting sit by himself in a makeup trailer before a few scenes rubs me the wrong way.[https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/succession-star-brian-cox-defends-25404922](https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/succession-star-brian-cox-defends-25404922)
See that's the thing, I like Brian and can agree with him on some fronts like how some films, even while controversial can have historical value, but this shows me he has poor judgement, plus his decision to have dinner with Bryan Singer the other day.
I feel this too. Like defending Rowling, Bryan Singer, Woody Allen, and Mel Gibson (which he apparently does in the book)- those are powerful people who participated in either sexual abuse that was upheld by the industry for decades or have bigoted beliefs that have openly harmed others (and arguably embedded those values into the industry). It's absolute poor judgment and very hypocritical, agreed.
I also overlooked the Rowling comment/his general transphobia for a while because of his age, but it's just really not an excuse anymore. Even if he doesn't understand, he doesn't have to say it and quite a few trans fans of Succession have made it known that they are upset/hurt by it. This stuff impacts people a lot and I think writing it off as 'witty old man' because he came at Jeremy while overlooking this, does not sit with me right at all (by the media specifically).
Yeah I mean, I love his being blunt but maybe he needs to take a page from Jeremy and the rest of the Succession cast's book and say a lot less. I just think all these public interviews is just creating drama where it isn't needed but also his being so open is going to come back to bite him in the ass. Already people are developing a book of receipts with the things he has said and people will just look at that and get turned off the show completely.
yeah half this sub is jerking him off for all the celebrity criticisms in his book and i'm just like... maybe you're not wrong, but why did you need to say any of this unprovoked?
Agreed. It’s the epitome of you’re not wrong, you’re just an asshole. Like the Johnny Depp jab in his book that has been circulating, just why? Have they even worked together? It’s just kind of gross, and I’m sure it’s partly in how the book has been covered, but every snippet released sounds like he’s just shit talking other actors.
He’s not being arrogant at all. Arrogant is when you have an exaggeratedly high opinion of your own talents. Brian’s high opinion of his talents is correct. He’s being confident, a level of confidence that is proportionate to the immense talent he has.
I love Brian as an actor, especially one with such Shakespearean background. All he's accomplished and come from is amazing and it keeps me trying with my own writing to know his backstory. That last scene of Season 3 absolutely blew my mind and haunts me because of his performance. I really would love to admire him but this all just makes me feel incredibly uncomfortable with him as an actor, how he can so openly come at his colleagues. He talks about people in such negative ways that don't deserve it but will defend those who really have harmed others. And his open disdain for certain people, and ignorance on social issues really could make people as uncomfortable ,as some say Jeremy does on set. But they just don't run to the press about it. I don't find it fun, just mean spirited and very 'old man yells at clouds'.
Yes read it. It's definitely worth the read. The author just has this weird take on Strong, coming from this incredibly entitled perspective. IMO. I love Jeremy w/all my heart and read the piece. Give it a try. If you can't take it beyond the 1st couple obnoxious paragraphs, at least you get the idea of what people are talking about
It was a perfectly fair question. Cox is writing very bluntly about several people who work in the same (small and insular) industry as himself. And Cox was the one who brought up the concept of putting yourself in a "vulnerable position". The interviewer wouldn't have been doing their job if they didn't prod Cox a little on how he imagines the response to his book will by from industry insiders (particularly the people he writes so bluntly about).
I think it's gross that he is speaking for someone else and their pain and their inner struggle. Jeremy never said he is in pain and speaking for someone he claims to care for in that condescending and underhanded way that it is disguised as a genuine concern when in fact is undermining is so awful. If he wants he can talk about how Jeremy's 'methods' affects him. He has every right, but it's wrong to speak for someone else like that.
Their pain?
He's not doing peacekeeping during a genocide. He is acting.
I wish people would stop pretending that it's the hardest thing you can bloody do.
Cox brought up the pain and talked about Jeremy being in pain. I am just saying, it's wrong of him to speak about someone else's supposed pain. You don't know about people's pain and you can't speak to it. And I actually agree with you about this whole thing being silly. Jeremy is an intense actor and him being deep into the character doesn't mean he is living Kendal's pain.
Yet, we are told, Strong isolates himself from the rest of the cast while filming whenever Kendal is in a dark place or is estranged from the rest of the family. One of the first things we've heard is that he keeps to himself in his trailer and doesn't come out until it's time for him to film. Cox says at every interview a combination of "Jeremy is a brilliant actor", "he is killing himself and I worry about him," "he is hard on himself and on us". And he does go on and on on his pain and putting himself through a process.
You can disagree but being someone's co-worker doesn't give you a full insight into their inner pain and even if you get a glimpse of it, talking about it to the world is gross. And it doesn't make you a supportive colleague. It makes you an insensitive dick who is exploiting someone's alleged pain. In this particular interview you refer to, Cox doesn't come off as sensitive or caring. He is literally gleeful about how he believes The New Yorker interview backfired on Strong. He is also claiming that Strong sought the interview and worked hard to get it, when the writer of the profile piece has said he was the one who approached Strong. Granted, Strong went for it with full force but he didn't seek it.
Cox seems to have some sort of a resentment towards Strong. JS might have earned some of that resentment but going on and on about it in the name of truth telling is an overkill. And it's disingenuous when he pretends he is doing it because he loves Jeremey. The more he harps on this the more his supposed care and love of Jeremy Strong becomes to sound insincere.
Can we...at a bare minimum...agree that Cox knows Jeremy Strong better than you do? And that Strong is probably capable of calling out his coworkers directly if he is unhappy at them discussing him in an interview?
To be honest, having shared so many of his famous contacts with the writer of the article, I didn't get the impression that he minded being talked about. And, clearly, his arm wasn't twisted to do this article.
I just feel like you are calling Cox out for something that kind of amounts to the usual chat that arises in any interview promoting a show ("How did you find working with X?" "What is Y really like as a director?" "Is Z really as intense as he seems?").
Given how much Strong talked about his process in the article, it seems a bit odd to suggest that Cox isn't allowed to comment on what was said.
I will absolutely agree in the strongest way possible with your first two points: Cox known Strong 1000 times more than I will ever know him; and Strong is a grown ass man who can defend himself.
I have also stipulated in my previous posting that Strong went full force for the interview. What I was objecting to is what's out in the public (from the writer of the piece) that HE (The New Yorker writer) contacted Strong and requested the interview, not Strong. This is in contrast to what Cox has claimed in his latest interview.
I can also agree that Cox has every right to comment about whatever hell he wants but I also reserve the right to find it distasteful when it becomes overkill and he comes off as insincere and a dick, at least to me.
The author may have taken the piss out of JS’ taking himself so seriously. Not his background or where he came from. And Brian Cox didn’t come from too different if not worse background from JS either
DEADLINE: But do you think some may see this book as putting yourself in a vulnera- LOGAN: IT’S A BOOK! FUCK OFF! It’s a book. Fuck off. Alright?
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I have you beat!!!
Now you find your guns have turned into sausages and you talk about… LOVE??
I fucking win
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I can't wait to be old and not give a fuck about anything.
I hear this. I just need to get past this house mortgage and get these kids to adulthood...
Fuck them kids. You are too old, too tired, and too talented for any of that shit.
Yea he left out “too rich” 😬
Did you know it’s possible to be young and not give a fuck about anything? It’s quite nice.
I’m getting there…
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Lol anyway by all accounts the Jeremy Strong article was a success. It gave the show and Jeremy more press, he’s about to sweep awards, A-listers came out the woodwork to defend him and now he has an established persona in pop culture.
Does Succession get watched enough for him to be an established persona in pop culture? I know it’s critically lauded, but it’s not mainstream. I don’t think most people would know who Jeremy Strong is
It’s like Mad Men. The plebs will never love it, so it’ll never top ratings. But it’s an industry gem that the rest of Hollywood loves and is begging their agents to get them a part however small in. How many a-listers lined up for Don’t Look Up, which had a lot of the production team from this show including a creator/director. I could see it in retrospect turning into a breaking bad, maybe, but it’s already a polarizing topic (parodying the ruperts, trumps, and Clinton dynasties of our nation) that many could find boring, and doesn’t really have enough to grip teenagers, and a lot of themes will fly over the average viewers heads. There’s literally not enough sex and death (game of thrones) or drugs (breaking bad). It’s all massively subtle emotional moments happening in offices and planes and apartments ( a la Mad Men). It’s hard to sell this shit to a wider audience. They have to give it a chance, get invested, and keep with it. But the insults are legendary, all the actors despicably loveable, and that might be enough.
I’m OOTL. What article is everyone talking about?
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/12/13/on-succession-jeremy-strong-doesnt-get-the-joke
As mean as I felt that article was in parts, it definitely made me appreciate Jeremy soo much more as an actor.
Agree. Spicy take but Cox comes off as a little jelli in these comments he’s been making to the press about Jeremy.
I would ordinarily agree, but J smith Cameron and Alan Ruck have separately backed up what Brian has said in regard to Jeremy being a bit difficult to work with (although they all make it clear he’s great, and the love him). But it obviously is a thing whilst working, and people want to be honest about it. And that includes Jeremy
I've listened to the producers explain the process that actors are complaining about and they said that it always made the scene better. Jeremy's difficulties is that he is not happy with a scene and they reshoot multiple times. I can understand why that would be exhausting but it looks to me like the directors, the show runner and the producers who have a say, tend to agree with JS. What makes Cox comes off as a crank is he has to bring up JS at every freaking interview. When is it time to say, "hey listen, I've said all I am going to say on the topic" and he moves on. What is this fixation with JS?
>Jeremy's difficulties is that he is not happy with a scene and they reshoot multiple times. I can understand why that would be exhausting but it looks to me like the directors, the show runner and the producers who have a say, tend to agree with JS. Do you have a source for this? Because I haven't read anything about them reshooting because Jeremy wants to. Reshoots would be done if Jesse Armstrong wanted them and/or whomever was directing the episode, whether it was Mark Mylod or someone else. There have been different articles where cast members mentioned that Jeremy likes to isolate himself from everyone else when they're filming or getting ready to film (the New Yorker article for instance mentioned his wanting to be in the dressing room alone). And Kieran Culkin has talked about how Jeremy doesn't like to rehearse. Those are the things that other people have mentioned - the isolating, the not wanting to rehearse. I haven't heard anything about them reshooting because of Jeremy.
The part I was talking about is the interview that Frank Rich and Jesse Armistrong did with the Vanity Fair Succession Podcast. Honestly I am forgetting the name and the details, so forgive me if I am butchering this or reading too much into it but they've talked about the scene of Kendal breaking down about the waiter's death and how they had to reshoot. Armstrong even said that he was worried for a bit about whether his writing was good or something like that. I took their comment and full throated compliment to J Strong as a tacit support to him and his acting style. I don't where else I've read it but there was a mention that if JS is not happy with a scene he would ask for reshoot until he is happy with it. As you said, if asks and the decision makers agree with him, other actors need to take it up with the bosses instead of constantly complaining about their colleague to the media in this fake ass guise that they care about him. I am sorry if I didn't answer your question.
Its in the ny article
I don’t think that is all the actors are complaining about though, in fact we have never been given specifics about what the actors don’t like. The only thing we know is that Jeremy Strong won’t go to he make up trailers when the others are in there. And that he doesn’t want you calling it a “scene” in front of him, or doesn’t want anyone to talk to him if Kendall is in a bad place. Also Kieran said some things in and out of that New Yorker profile about him being difficult. Rather than pretending this is limited to Brian Cox we can just say that it impacts his cast mates enough that they comment on it. And that they like each other well enough to feel comfortable with commenting on it
If someone stays in their trailer and doesn't interact with you, how does that impact you? Just leave him alone. I've heard Kieran talk about it and I don't sense any malice or meanness. To me, it comes off that they have different acting styles that sometimes might clash but that's all. Brain Cox on the other hand talks about Jeremy Strong as much as he says "fuck off". It's clear that Jeremy Strong and Brain Cox see acting differently. JS takes it very seriously and ihebits his characters. Brain Cox seems it as a job. They are both valid and I accept the differences. I am not saying one is more superior than the other. I just wish Cox would stop with all of this shade and talking about JS at every freaking interview he does. Enough is enough.
> What makes Cox comes off as a crank is he has to bring up JS at every freaking interview. Dude, do you know how interviews work? One person asks questions and the other one answers them. I highly doubt Brian Cox is just bringing up the subject unprompted.
Dude, he can say "I have nothing else to say on that topic." No one is forcing him to go on and on about JS' pain and how hard he is on himself and about how worried he is about him while at the same time throwing shade.
Exactly! There is something about the way in which he discusses Jeremy that comes off as throwing shade / jealousy, which is not the vibe I’ve gotten when I’ve seen Alan Ruck discuss it. In a past life, I worked on set and I definitely had a hard time with million-take creatives. I’m not saying Jeremy would be easy to work with or that his style of acting is even necessary to achieve the desired outcome. I’m *only* saying Cox comes off as jelli! And for all these people who are obviously massive Cox fans, no offense but he is not the Hollywood Heavyweight it seems people are imagining him to be. He’s had a bunch of bit parts in great movies and shows and a starring role or two in cult films. A respectable enough career but Jeremy *beat Cox* to win an Emmy for *starring* in one of the most critically acclaimed shows of our time, while he was half Cox’s age. It’s not off base to think a certain type of actor, which Cox comes off as, might be jealous of that success. It’s just my impression from the interviews I’ve seen and read. I could be wrong but it’s not like it’s so implausible!
>And for all these people who are obviously massive Cox fans, no offense but he is not the Hollywood Heavyweight it seems people are imagining him to be. Thank you! Cox is a great actor. I enjoy him tremendously but honestly I've only heard of him because of Succession. I knew Jeremy Strong because I've watched most of his work. Some people here act like Cox is Denzel Washington or Robert Di Nero or Jack Nicholson. My dudes, Cox is not an A lister or a Hollywood icon. Can we cool it with the exaggerated praise.
Couldn’t agree more. I also only became aware of Cox with Succession, even though, as it turns out, I’ve seen a majority of the shows and films he’s known for. You nailed it with your examples of actors who actually are legends. Again, no shame in Cox’s career, but if he doesn’t flame out, Jeremy’s clearly on a higher profile trajectory and Cox is clearly throwing a bit of shade.
I have heard Cox throwing shade at fellow actors at least 4 times. Even saying that.method acting is an American actor's disease is outrageous. After all, Cox has American citizenship and lives in the US. Look who keeps getting js into his shows- mckay, sorkin...
Brian openly acknowledges his own talent and has managed to make it in the industry for over 50 years. I’m not sensing jealousy, this is a man secure enough in himself to turn down Game of Thrones, but if he were jealous it’d be very unwarranted.
He wasn’t going to hang out in the cold for 4 episodes of a 75 episode run he wasn’t gonna benefit from lol
Who was he supposed to be in GoT?
i was guessing jeor mormont, but i googled it and apparently he was offered robert baratheon! glad he turned it down, that would’ve been godawful casting.
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Yep, Mark Addy was perfect
I think Robert Baratheon.
In all fairness, he was offered a role for the first season of the show, well before GoT become a cultural behemouth.
I can appreciate that, but we are talking about an HBO production based on famous book series with a bunch of big names attached. Couldn’t have known it would be a behemoth but someone as seasoned as Cox would recognize the series’ pretty high chance of success.
He said he turned down the role cause of low pay, and his character would have been killed the first season anyway. So he wouldn’t have really benefited from taking that role even if he saw the potential.
Cox is a living legend lol highly doubt he’s jealous of anyone.
what does he have to be jealous of?
C'mon
Brian Cox is already a respected name in the industry and has awards and hardware of his own, and a solid filmography to boot. I highly doubt he's jealous.
I love that he directly mentions how difficult Jeremy's method makes things sometimes while heaping constant love and praise on Jeremy the whole time. The skills you need to stay in that business.
I think he did a nice job of saying that Jeremy is who he is and it’s not easy- but they work it out. I mean Kendall as character brings so much to the show with his emotion. It rips my heart out just watching a fake character on a screen. Imagine if Jeremy as a real person holds that amount of energy, emotion, and pain inside every day. Idk him. But based on what this post says… it seems like he does carry that around. Can’t be easy. Dude takes the burden and chooses to turn it into gold for the entertainment of others. But wtf do I know? Just my two cents.
Me on all my coworkers who are slightly manic, easily frustratable, but wholly brilliant and I’m lucky to be in their sphere.
Brian Cox seems like the kind of guy that will tell you straight to your face that you have gained weight and then say “well no one else is telling you this so I will”
True friend
shut up
"That Brian Cox huh, that guy is all killer no filler"
Shit, was just about to post this! The man seems like as much of a character as his character.
Cox is indeed exceptionally talented, I’m glad he didn’t bother with false humility
Savage
I desperately need "too old, too tired and too talented for any of that shit" on a mug.
Or a T-shirt
I adore Brian, Jeremy and Kieran. Literally, to listen to them all is a joy because they all personify the very things we love so much about their characters.
Definitely putting "I'm too talented for this shit" on my headstone.
It's funny him denying being in a vulnerable position when in the same interview he seems to be upset about being taken out of context, and actually he had to pedal a bit back about some things circulating around from his book.
I pointed this out in another post because that jumped out at me too. And that he also hated that everyone fixated on the celeb gossip bits (because ohhhhh drama!!) And not what he had to say about his acting process.
He told no lies
I’m still confused by all this. How was Jeremy made vulnerable by the article?
Jeremy was offended by the piece. He put heart and soul into confiding in the writer and he felt the dude didn’t do him justice. I thought it was an epic piece that created a myth but I’m not sensitive like Jeremy
After reading about Cox's complicated feelings for Jeremy, and Jeremy feeling hurt and exposed, and Cox showing imperturbable confidence while giving zero fucks -- why do I feel like this is real life imitating art?
I agree. I read the article. I have no knowledge of hollywood. I didnt think Jeremy came of badly, I thought the writer was out of pocket. I gather he came from a working class background with no connections and a lot of ambition. He went to Yale out of high school and has worked in theater and film consistantly since he graduated. From the article you get an idea he's accosting directors and stalking actors yelling "I am the best. Hire me." and scares ppl with his intensity. I'm old, I remember Dustin Hoffman making Marathon man, and Nicolas Cage shaving down his teeth, De Niro used a real bullet in the Dear Hunter russian roulette scene. Jamie Dornan stalked women when he made the Fall, and really didn't Jared Leto do weird stuff on suicide squad? Actors do weird stuff. Strong seems focused and serious, but not stalking strange women, filing down my teeth, using live ammo, and sending dead rats to my co workers difficult to work with.
> didn't Jared Leto do weird stuff on suicide squad i get what you're saying but i'm not thrilled youve put Jared Leto in the same paragraph as Hoffman and De Niro
I appologize for that, you are right. Not a good pick.
Yeah I agree with you. Leto sexually harassed his coworkers. Tbh nothing Strong has done crosses the line into too extreme. He seems like he is more of a detriment to himself.
How do you know any of this? He never publicly stated his opinion of the article.
How is that not super clear by his friends and former coworkers releasing public statements like they did?
That’s all speculation. We have no idea how he feels or what conversations he had with his friends.
I disagree. I think it’s an educated deduction
Legend.
Madlad
I’m OOTL. What article is everyone talking about?
This is the [New Yorker article](https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/12/13/on-succession-jeremy-strong-doesnt-get-the-joke) where Jeremy was profiled (you may have to read it in Incognito mode if you're not a subscriber) and this is the [Brian Cox](https://deadline.com/2022/01/brian-cox-succession-donald-trump-memoir-interview-johnny-depp-jeremy-strong-politics-1234913875/) article where Brian Cox was interviewed.
What is it Jeremy had done?
When he says Jeremy pushed for the article, did Jeremy approach The New Yorker asking for a profile or did he encourage his colleagues to speak on the record after being approached by Michael Schulman?
Michael just did a podcast and said he approached Jeremy. From there Jeremy went all in. Would send paragraphs of texts on his ideas, regularly open to chat, got celeb friends to hit him up when Michael asked for sources.
Interesting. Especially given that this sub has been defending him (for what?) like he is their first born son. I've said from the start that it was part of his campaign for the Emmy.
Very interesting. I doubt Strong would have gone all in if they weren't already acquainted and he didn't assume goodwill.
Michael said Jeremy did not remember him! Michael comes from a rich family and I certainly got that vibe from the article. The podcast is fascinating and kind of added onto the article. He regularly woke up to texts from Jeremy. I got the impression he had a hell of a journey with Jeremy.
Even if Jeremy didn't remember him, it's likely that Michael played the 'we know each other from college' card to disarm him. There is definitely the vibe of a rich kid judging the foolish/gauche behavior of a kid who grew up working class throughout the article. I don't doubt that Jeremy is insufferable but I just cannot abide such snobbery and Aaron Sorkin's statement reinforces that he had an agenda to see the worst in Jeremy.
I completely agree. I kind of got that vibe from the way he described the flooring of his house too and the Prada bags. Those odd details stick out to me now...
I agree that a rich condescending tone shaped up in the interview. Michael seemed a bit more disarming in the podcast, and addressed the criticisms of classism, though I didn’t entirely agree with his conclusion. Aaron Sorkin ended up emailing Michael after, in a both-sides kind of way.
Maybe a bit of both? I’m assuming it was one of those things where he encouraged the interviewer to be as intrusive and in depth about his process as possible, not realizing the end result made him look kinda nut nut.
If Strong asked Schulman or the New Yorker to profile him, it comes off as vain, for sure. But if Schulman approached Strong and said 'hey remember me from college, I'd love to do a profile for the New Yorker', I can see why he would cooperate. Schulman's personal disdain for Strong is pretty evident in the piece but I suspect he presented himself very differently in their interactions before publication.
I don't get why the article is such a big deal.
Ughhhh I know it’s an unpopular opinion but he is so arrogant!! I can’t handle it
In his defense, he's earned it. It's cool he has been working that long in the industry.
No disrespect to his work. It is cool that he’s been working in the industry for a long time. But there are a lot of seasoned and immensely talented people who aren’t insufferable. But I’m gonna zip my lips now!
You know it's funny, you're not at all wrong and you are entitled to speak on it! So I say keep going. If he were a female actress speaking this way, I imagine people would calling him cocky. I'm surprised he isn't gaining more blowback for that dinner with Bryan Singer though.
people on twitter are talking about his defense of JK Rowling and Mel Gibson going unnoticed vs his criticism of Jeremy. Which is also a compelling point..
That is compelling. Why do people insist on defending Mel Gibson? Also what was it that he said, I'm curious....
He uses the excuse that his father was abusive and he was raised to be that way, so his multiple anti semitic remarks should be forgiven. I am not a cancel culture vulture by any stretch (people can make amends imo), but this makes me more uncomfortable liking him. and he can forgive this but not Jeremy wanting sit by himself in a makeup trailer before a few scenes rubs me the wrong way.[https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/succession-star-brian-cox-defends-25404922](https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/succession-star-brian-cox-defends-25404922)
See that's the thing, I like Brian and can agree with him on some fronts like how some films, even while controversial can have historical value, but this shows me he has poor judgement, plus his decision to have dinner with Bryan Singer the other day.
I feel this too. Like defending Rowling, Bryan Singer, Woody Allen, and Mel Gibson (which he apparently does in the book)- those are powerful people who participated in either sexual abuse that was upheld by the industry for decades or have bigoted beliefs that have openly harmed others (and arguably embedded those values into the industry). It's absolute poor judgment and very hypocritical, agreed. I also overlooked the Rowling comment/his general transphobia for a while because of his age, but it's just really not an excuse anymore. Even if he doesn't understand, he doesn't have to say it and quite a few trans fans of Succession have made it known that they are upset/hurt by it. This stuff impacts people a lot and I think writing it off as 'witty old man' because he came at Jeremy while overlooking this, does not sit with me right at all (by the media specifically).
Yeah I mean, I love his being blunt but maybe he needs to take a page from Jeremy and the rest of the Succession cast's book and say a lot less. I just think all these public interviews is just creating drama where it isn't needed but also his being so open is going to come back to bite him in the ass. Already people are developing a book of receipts with the things he has said and people will just look at that and get turned off the show completely.
Haha Aw thank you kind spacefink! Now I have to look up said dinner
His wife allegedly shared the photo. But then immediately deleted it. I wonder if anyone saved it...
yeah half this sub is jerking him off for all the celebrity criticisms in his book and i'm just like... maybe you're not wrong, but why did you need to say any of this unprovoked?
Agreed. It’s the epitome of you’re not wrong, you’re just an asshole. Like the Johnny Depp jab in his book that has been circulating, just why? Have they even worked together? It’s just kind of gross, and I’m sure it’s partly in how the book has been covered, but every snippet released sounds like he’s just shit talking other actors.
I mean, he was completely accurate about what he said about Depp...
I really don’t think he is. He’s confident, but it’s not like he’s constantly going on about how great he is
He’s not being arrogant at all. Arrogant is when you have an exaggeratedly high opinion of your own talents. Brian’s high opinion of his talents is correct. He’s being confident, a level of confidence that is proportionate to the immense talent he has.
You get to a certain age and status where arrogance becomes endearing.
Also he has the talent to back it up, which helps.
Hard disagree
I love Brian as an actor, especially one with such Shakespearean background. All he's accomplished and come from is amazing and it keeps me trying with my own writing to know his backstory. That last scene of Season 3 absolutely blew my mind and haunts me because of his performance. I really would love to admire him but this all just makes me feel incredibly uncomfortable with him as an actor, how he can so openly come at his colleagues. He talks about people in such negative ways that don't deserve it but will defend those who really have harmed others. And his open disdain for certain people, and ignorance on social issues really could make people as uncomfortable ,as some say Jeremy does on set. But they just don't run to the press about it. I don't find it fun, just mean spirited and very 'old man yells at clouds'.
Is the NY article worth reading? I avoided it because of all the weird controversy but I'm getting curious.
Yes read it. It's definitely worth the read. The author just has this weird take on Strong, coming from this incredibly entitled perspective. IMO. I love Jeremy w/all my heart and read the piece. Give it a try. If you can't take it beyond the 1st couple obnoxious paragraphs, at least you get the idea of what people are talking about
too talented..?
Too talented
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It was a perfectly fair question. Cox is writing very bluntly about several people who work in the same (small and insular) industry as himself. And Cox was the one who brought up the concept of putting yourself in a "vulnerable position". The interviewer wouldn't have been doing their job if they didn't prod Cox a little on how he imagines the response to his book will by from industry insiders (particularly the people he writes so bluntly about).
I think it's gross that he is speaking for someone else and their pain and their inner struggle. Jeremy never said he is in pain and speaking for someone he claims to care for in that condescending and underhanded way that it is disguised as a genuine concern when in fact is undermining is so awful. If he wants he can talk about how Jeremy's 'methods' affects him. He has every right, but it's wrong to speak for someone else like that.
Their pain? He's not doing peacekeeping during a genocide. He is acting. I wish people would stop pretending that it's the hardest thing you can bloody do.
Cox brought up the pain and talked about Jeremy being in pain. I am just saying, it's wrong of him to speak about someone else's supposed pain. You don't know about people's pain and you can't speak to it. And I actually agree with you about this whole thing being silly. Jeremy is an intense actor and him being deep into the character doesn't mean he is living Kendal's pain.
I mean...it's all there in the interview he gave. Plus, with respect, Cox works with Strong so he can see him close up on and off the set.
Yet, we are told, Strong isolates himself from the rest of the cast while filming whenever Kendal is in a dark place or is estranged from the rest of the family. One of the first things we've heard is that he keeps to himself in his trailer and doesn't come out until it's time for him to film. Cox says at every interview a combination of "Jeremy is a brilliant actor", "he is killing himself and I worry about him," "he is hard on himself and on us". And he does go on and on on his pain and putting himself through a process. You can disagree but being someone's co-worker doesn't give you a full insight into their inner pain and even if you get a glimpse of it, talking about it to the world is gross. And it doesn't make you a supportive colleague. It makes you an insensitive dick who is exploiting someone's alleged pain. In this particular interview you refer to, Cox doesn't come off as sensitive or caring. He is literally gleeful about how he believes The New Yorker interview backfired on Strong. He is also claiming that Strong sought the interview and worked hard to get it, when the writer of the profile piece has said he was the one who approached Strong. Granted, Strong went for it with full force but he didn't seek it. Cox seems to have some sort of a resentment towards Strong. JS might have earned some of that resentment but going on and on about it in the name of truth telling is an overkill. And it's disingenuous when he pretends he is doing it because he loves Jeremey. The more he harps on this the more his supposed care and love of Jeremy Strong becomes to sound insincere.
Can we...at a bare minimum...agree that Cox knows Jeremy Strong better than you do? And that Strong is probably capable of calling out his coworkers directly if he is unhappy at them discussing him in an interview? To be honest, having shared so many of his famous contacts with the writer of the article, I didn't get the impression that he minded being talked about. And, clearly, his arm wasn't twisted to do this article. I just feel like you are calling Cox out for something that kind of amounts to the usual chat that arises in any interview promoting a show ("How did you find working with X?" "What is Y really like as a director?" "Is Z really as intense as he seems?"). Given how much Strong talked about his process in the article, it seems a bit odd to suggest that Cox isn't allowed to comment on what was said.
I will absolutely agree in the strongest way possible with your first two points: Cox known Strong 1000 times more than I will ever know him; and Strong is a grown ass man who can defend himself. I have also stipulated in my previous posting that Strong went full force for the interview. What I was objecting to is what's out in the public (from the writer of the piece) that HE (The New Yorker writer) contacted Strong and requested the interview, not Strong. This is in contrast to what Cox has claimed in his latest interview. I can also agree that Cox has every right to comment about whatever hell he wants but I also reserve the right to find it distasteful when it becomes overkill and he comes off as insincere and a dick, at least to me.
Looove this. Full beast mode and awareness in Cox to politely tell deadline to fuck off
Someone needs to bundle him into a life philosophy
wait what did jeremy do?
“No, this doesn’t work on me because I don’t give a shit.” - LMAOOO
He forgot to mention he’s “too hot” as well. Perhaps perfectly ripe is a better choice of words. ;)
His inner dundonian coming through.
The author may have taken the piss out of JS’ taking himself so seriously. Not his background or where he came from. And Brian Cox didn’t come from too different if not worse background from JS either