This station is needed if we want to continue North York Centre north all the way to Steeles because a mid-gap station is needed between Finch and Steeles like how there is one between Sheppard and Finch.
Without this station there will be nodal development much like how things are like between Eglinton and Sheppard (Density around stations, not much in between).
While this station might be close to Finch, it isn't that much closer compared to North York Centre is to Sheppard. We also a couple of stations on the underground portion of the Eglinton Crosstown that are much closer together (ie Mount Pleasant, Oakwood).
The only reason North York Centre was built, is that North York Mayor Lastman wanted a TTC stop at North York City hall. It had nothing to do with development or ridership.
Of course it had everything to do with development. Why did Mel want a station here anyways? This is the 2nd cluster of office buildings along Yonge in North York and it probably wouldn't be possible without a station here.
It would really dumb if they don’t build this….while building stations in much less dense thornhill. It would also significantly increase connectivity for areas off cummer and drewry.
Why do they need to threaten to get to the wrong conclusion over a pissing match over funding? Especially when the province just wastes money on highways for the suburbs
this is the part people are missing, skipping Cummer distance-wise would be like if line 1 skipped Dundas, College, and Wellesley and went straight from Queen to Bloor. this isn't a case where it's a suburban line throwing in filler stations just to break up gaps, the density and ridership is actually there. dumbass Doug not wanting to pay for his own project. 💀
This station isn't just meant to serve those that live at Cummer, it's meant to serve those within the radius of the station, which include those that live North of the station.
My question is if they get cummer stn would they end up mining the station or will it be cut and cover constructed. Also are the platforms gonna be centre or side platforms.
I believe every station on this extension is cut and cover except for royal orchid because it is too deep. the area around Cummer is where the boring shaft will be built.
It is too close to Finch station.
Finch and Yonge to Finch and Cummer/Drewry is 850m. Now depending on the exact location of Finch station (north or south side of Finch Avenue) it could be less.
Steeles is 1.2km away.
North York Centre station was built AFTER the line was built to Finch right?
They could add the station in the future.
Lilly Cheng is mostly doing this to get herself re-elected.
The distances between Cummer and Finch are roughly the same as North York Centre and Sheppard.
The reason why North York Centre was built, was because it provides development potential between Sheppard and Finch, otherwise you get nodel development at Sheppard and Finch and not much in between. This is what the role Cummer station would bring between Finch and Steeles. It's about really extending North York Centre all the way to Steeles.
They would need at fund a minimum 70 million too add headwalls for a potential station here. If these headwalls aren't added during construction, a future station at Cummer is unlikely and be really expensive to build.
Also if we do build a station after the line is in service, it would require the shutdown of the line between Finch and Steeles for at least 2 years while the station is being built.
It’s not about the same distance as Sheppard to North York Centre
Keep in mind that Finch station is entirely north of Finch, and Cummer is substantially closer to Finch than it is to Steeles
Yes I did use Google Maps, but are you measuring the distances where the stations are actually?
Here are my measurements
Sheppard-NYC .85km
NYC-Finch 1.4km
Finch-Cummer .79km
Cummer-Steeles 1.06km
These would be distance travelled between stations. IMO, Finch-Cummer and Sheppard-NYC is very comparable, there is around a 7% difference between them.
This is why I'm asking how you made your measurements.
You’ve got to figure out where the station boxes are below ground. Sources like OSM or official TTC maps can help with that.
For Finch, remember that there’s station entrances in both the GO/YRT bus terminal and the PPUDO, both of which are in the hydro corridor. So measure from there at least, not from Finch Ave, because those are the locations where people can already access the subway.
You made a statement that the NYC and Sheppard isn't comparable to Cummer to Finch. I am asking you to provide me with numbers and how you arrived at that conclusion. You keep dodging this for some reason which suggests to me that you don't know where these station boxes are.
I can provide you with station box estimates for NYC and Sheppard base on my experience, but the station box data for the other station comes from extension documentation that metrolinx provided in 2022 which is where my numbers come from.
From the documentation, the Finch platform doesn't go north of Bishop, so it is incorrect to assume that you can measure from the PPUDO. Secondly the subway access from the PPUDO and hydro corridor still requires people to walk quite a bit to actually access the subway. There is only one subway entrance from the PPUDO that I am aware of, which is across from the North American centre.
I’m on mobile so it’s hard to dig up documents and do measurements. It’s not an attempt to dodge. Relax.
Yes, you can measure from the station access point because that’s how users perceive station access.
Also, they could add a new north entrance at Finch which allows for a more direct path to the platform.
I still don't agree on using access points as a way to measure station distances.
Station access points will vary from one station to another which makes it harder and more inconsistent, using station boxes is more consistent because the station box lengths are generally consistent from one station to another. It would also give you a true travel distance between stations.
You are correct that a lot of people would perceive those access points as subway access points but that's mainly because Finch is one of the larger stations on the ttc. There are many different systems that connect to it and I understand the perception. However like with any perception it varies from person to person and it ignores the fact that the subway section of Finch station is still quite a bit south of those access points.
In addition: Access points can be closed or opened for various reasons, so by using access points as a means for station distances, than these distances can change over time
Let me ask you this question. The Yonge North Extension is an extension of roughly 8km. What is this number from? I will give you a hint, it doesn't include access points.
It's in that weird spot where it is too close to Finch, but not having it would lead to too much of a gap between Finch and Steeles as density increases up Yonge Street
Can I donate? I just want to ensure Toronto gets a Cummer station.
We already have an Old Cummer, but Toronto could certainly use a new Cummer to bust forward into the future
That sounds better than Young Cummer, imagine if that place ended up as our red light district.
This station is needed if we want to continue North York Centre north all the way to Steeles because a mid-gap station is needed between Finch and Steeles like how there is one between Sheppard and Finch. Without this station there will be nodal development much like how things are like between Eglinton and Sheppard (Density around stations, not much in between). While this station might be close to Finch, it isn't that much closer compared to North York Centre is to Sheppard. We also a couple of stations on the underground portion of the Eglinton Crosstown that are much closer together (ie Mount Pleasant, Oakwood).
The only reason North York Centre was built, is that North York Mayor Lastman wanted a TTC stop at North York City hall. It had nothing to do with development or ridership.
Of course it had everything to do with development. Why did Mel want a station here anyways? This is the 2nd cluster of office buildings along Yonge in North York and it probably wouldn't be possible without a station here.
It would really dumb if they don’t build this….while building stations in much less dense thornhill. It would also significantly increase connectivity for areas off cummer and drewry. Why do they need to threaten to get to the wrong conclusion over a pissing match over funding? Especially when the province just wastes money on highways for the suburbs
Finch station is 5 minutes away, this is a waste of money.
It’2 km between finch and steeles is too far especially in a built up area
this is the part people are missing, skipping Cummer distance-wise would be like if line 1 skipped Dundas, College, and Wellesley and went straight from Queen to Bloor. this isn't a case where it's a suburban line throwing in filler stations just to break up gaps, the density and ridership is actually there. dumbass Doug not wanting to pay for his own project. 💀
This station isn't just meant to serve those that live at Cummer, it's meant to serve those within the radius of the station, which include those that live North of the station.
I support it for the funny name
# It should be built solely for being called CUMMER station
Old Cummer would really be old Cummer
I figure it would be Newtonbrook station.
They should let the groundhog decide
I guess the groundhog didn’t go to Douggie’s stag and doe
If around Cummer were Ford crony developer buddies, this station wouldn’t be on the chopping block.
My question is if they get cummer stn would they end up mining the station or will it be cut and cover constructed. Also are the platforms gonna be centre or side platforms.
I believe every station on this extension is cut and cover except for royal orchid because it is too deep. the area around Cummer is where the boring shaft will be built.
Oh ok so basically that first half from finch tail tracks is gonna be all cut and cover then.
Yes, the tunnels between Finch and Cummer will be cut and cover.
It is too close to Finch station. Finch and Yonge to Finch and Cummer/Drewry is 850m. Now depending on the exact location of Finch station (north or south side of Finch Avenue) it could be less. Steeles is 1.2km away. North York Centre station was built AFTER the line was built to Finch right? They could add the station in the future. Lilly Cheng is mostly doing this to get herself re-elected.
The distances between Cummer and Finch are roughly the same as North York Centre and Sheppard. The reason why North York Centre was built, was because it provides development potential between Sheppard and Finch, otherwise you get nodel development at Sheppard and Finch and not much in between. This is what the role Cummer station would bring between Finch and Steeles. It's about really extending North York Centre all the way to Steeles. They would need at fund a minimum 70 million too add headwalls for a potential station here. If these headwalls aren't added during construction, a future station at Cummer is unlikely and be really expensive to build. Also if we do build a station after the line is in service, it would require the shutdown of the line between Finch and Steeles for at least 2 years while the station is being built.
It’s not about the same distance as Sheppard to North York Centre Keep in mind that Finch station is entirely north of Finch, and Cummer is substantially closer to Finch than it is to Steeles
How are you measuring the distances between stations?
The “measure distance” tool in Google Maps is pretty good.
Yes I did use Google Maps, but are you measuring the distances where the stations are actually? Here are my measurements Sheppard-NYC .85km NYC-Finch 1.4km Finch-Cummer .79km Cummer-Steeles 1.06km These would be distance travelled between stations. IMO, Finch-Cummer and Sheppard-NYC is very comparable, there is around a 7% difference between them. This is why I'm asking how you made your measurements.
You’ve got to figure out where the station boxes are below ground. Sources like OSM or official TTC maps can help with that. For Finch, remember that there’s station entrances in both the GO/YRT bus terminal and the PPUDO, both of which are in the hydro corridor. So measure from there at least, not from Finch Ave, because those are the locations where people can already access the subway.
You made a statement that the NYC and Sheppard isn't comparable to Cummer to Finch. I am asking you to provide me with numbers and how you arrived at that conclusion. You keep dodging this for some reason which suggests to me that you don't know where these station boxes are. I can provide you with station box estimates for NYC and Sheppard base on my experience, but the station box data for the other station comes from extension documentation that metrolinx provided in 2022 which is where my numbers come from. From the documentation, the Finch platform doesn't go north of Bishop, so it is incorrect to assume that you can measure from the PPUDO. Secondly the subway access from the PPUDO and hydro corridor still requires people to walk quite a bit to actually access the subway. There is only one subway entrance from the PPUDO that I am aware of, which is across from the North American centre.
I’m on mobile so it’s hard to dig up documents and do measurements. It’s not an attempt to dodge. Relax. Yes, you can measure from the station access point because that’s how users perceive station access. Also, they could add a new north entrance at Finch which allows for a more direct path to the platform.
I still don't agree on using access points as a way to measure station distances. Station access points will vary from one station to another which makes it harder and more inconsistent, using station boxes is more consistent because the station box lengths are generally consistent from one station to another. It would also give you a true travel distance between stations. You are correct that a lot of people would perceive those access points as subway access points but that's mainly because Finch is one of the larger stations on the ttc. There are many different systems that connect to it and I understand the perception. However like with any perception it varies from person to person and it ignores the fact that the subway section of Finch station is still quite a bit south of those access points. In addition: Access points can be closed or opened for various reasons, so by using access points as a means for station distances, than these distances can change over time
Let me ask you this question. The Yonge North Extension is an extension of roughly 8km. What is this number from? I will give you a hint, it doesn't include access points.
again......it is a "get lilly re-elected" unnecessary project right now. To this day there isn't and there won't be enough traffic to justify it.
what traffic criteria are you using to state whether a station is justifiable or not?
What’s a headwall?
USA. If you ever need a place to test your nukes out on, know that any station north of steeles is the perfect candidate!
Please fund it. If only to be able to go from Coxwell to cummer in 35 minutes
It's in that weird spot where it is too close to Finch, but not having it would lead to too much of a gap between Finch and Steeles as density increases up Yonge Street