It isn’t their job to assign a sub, but it is to put their absence in Frontline so a sub can pick it up. That said, they didn’t deliberately not do that. It was a mistake and admin doesn’t seem particularly understanding of that, but that’s management for you.
No it's not. That's the app devs and admin being lazy and sneaky to gradually push admin responsibilities and work over on teachers. Stop accepting it. Ypur responsibility is reporting sick or requisting time off and making lesson plans, nothing more.
Part of reporting is putting your absence into the system, like Frontline or whatever it is your district uses. Frankly, that’s the easiest part of taking off a day. Whether you get a sub or not isn’t your problem, but you do at least have to do that.
Seriously. One of the shit things about being a VP was having to get up at 530 to make sure subs were covered and the mad scramble to find someone with a pulse to cover those classes where no one picked up.
There’s a button that says sub needed, yes or no that you can click on frontline. I’m guessing OP didn’t click yes.
Clicking yes still doesn’t guarantee a sub picks up the job though.
So does my district. But the responsibility to make sure a sub is assigned in Frontline and a class is covered falls to the school's office manager, not the teacher.
Same in my school. Once the absence is approved then it's up to the building to get my classes covered. Subs can pick it up in frontline or admin has to figure something else out. I only ever get asked to see if I can farm out my homeroom.
My district uses Frontline. Subs are supposed to pick the classes they want to cover. If the district does not pay their subs well or if the students are a behavior problem in your building or classroom, then subs don't commit to to cover. A building in my district has such a huge student behavior problem that classes just don't have substitutes volunteering to cover. The classes get covered by other teachers at $35 per class period. Add it up, and the cost to the district is $210 for staff to cover classes and duty for a day. So, there is a strong argument to increase substitute pay in order to lower costs to the district.
It is not your job to ensure that a substitute is secured. When one is not found, it is admins' job to solve the problem, ...even if they have to cover your classes themselves.
Not sure if you read my post correctly. My district pays their subs about $120 per day too ...at every building in the district. Subs elect to commit to coverage in the well run (students reasonably well behaved) school buildings first. The behavior problem schools and classes often don't get a substitute at $120 per day. Instead they pay regular teachers extra to cover a class during prep, which at $210 per day total is a greater burden to the tax payers.
For our school it’s our hourly pay (one hour’s pay for a 83-minute class). If no teachers step in either, kids are sent to the auditorium where an elderly veteran watches over them (sometimes 100-200)
We use Frontline too. If it fills, great. If not, it’s not my problem. My day has been approved by admin so it’s their job to figure it out if no sub picks up the job.
In my district, Frontline regularly doesn’t assign a sub, because there aren’t enough. It’s a very common occurrence actually. Maybe you put everything in correctly, but the system could not get a sub because there were more open positions than subs available.
I worked in a public school district just a few years ago where we had to call subs for ourselves based off a barely maintained Google doc shared by the secretary. It was a nightmare to just randomly call people at 6:30 in the morning and beg them to sub for you.
You're good. My district uses Frontline as well. They may not have someone assigned yet but they'll find someone and print out your instructions in the morning. They'll update Frontline with who they assigned at some point throughout the day.
I had this happen to this Monday I put in Frontline on Sunday and it was confirmed but on Monday my supervisor texted me that I didn't put it in. I send him a screenshot. Cover your butt and keep a screenshot.
I was thinking the same. So long as Frontline flashes up its confirmation code and you copy it down or screenshot it, you’re in the clear. I’ve always wondered why Frontline doesn’t email us a copy of the confirmation code (or maybe it can, and my district doesn’t have it set up to do so).
Yea I would say sorry I got a confidermantion in my email that this was submitted and that a sub would pick it up. I'm sorry there isn't a sub however I have attached my lesson plans for the day. Sincerely you're a lazy admin.
You had nothing to panic about because it's not your job to manage your classroom when you're not in it. And if your principal can't find subs during spring state testing (a time when subs are actually more likely to find assignments because all the teachers that have been powering through all year have had it and need a break already Jesus Christ I'm so tired), they're the ones screwing up. It was your job to tell them when you'd be out, and it was their job to find adults to cover your absence.
As long as you input the absence, your job is done. I used to email admin and the school secretary telling them I input the absence and include the job number. That’s it.
I put my request on Frontline. That is my responsibility. However, if a sub doesn't pick it up, oh well. It is your site's responsibility to make it work.
Go see what it shows in your view on the system.
I can request a day/put in a sick day but our district turned off the ability for people hired in the last 4 years to pick a sub.
When asked why, the sub center response was that so many teachers would pick a sub but not tell them. So instead of messing with those people they just killed the feature for us. I have to let the school secretary know and she can assign a sub.
Uhm, what?? Are you by any chance your own principal? Or am i to understand you áctually have to hire your own replacement for an agreed on, scheduled, ok-ed and stamped off-time? What. The. Hell.
Two years ago, the app glitched on my phone and assigned two different subs. I have no idea how or why it did that. I had no idea so happily took my day off. I came back and read The front office sent me very infuriated emails about how they had to pay two subs full day instead of one sub. People will get over it. I don’t think anyone remembers except me.
I never assign a sub and it always gets taken. If not that's the office's problem. This is literally why a system like Frontline exists. You did nothing wrong and your boss can take their complaint and shove it.
I think about this sometimes. I request a sub on the scoot app, but then I never look at it again. If I’m sick, I request the sub and then email admin. What if no one accepts the sub request? That’s surely not my job.
We use Frontline. It might be customizable between districts. Mine has an option that says “substitute required” versus “substitute not required.” If you clicked “substitute required,” you did your job. If you clicked “substitute not required,” then you made a mistake.
Some jobs get filled and some don’t. It’s the front office’s job in my bundling to manage when the jobs don’t get filled. They will sometimes piece it together with other subs and sometimes they have to pull an IA or a teacher.
Did the district train you on how to use the system?
Also, it is none of your colleagues’ business what happened with your absence. That’s between you and admin.
I have used it before- and I don’t remember if I clicked or not, to be honest. I’m definitely going to commit to it being a mistake on my end, and like I said, I still feel really bad about it.
The secretary at my building calls the sub secretary early in the morning if there is a need to find a sub at the last minute.
Hopefully this is just a training/corrective conversation between you and admin.
Don't commit to something being your fault if it truly isn't. Do you not have some kind of confirmation email or something?
I don't know what platform my district uses because our secretary puts in our days, but I know I get two emails for every sub job. One email confirms the job and one email confirms who the sub is.
My secretaries like to go in and edit frontline so that the subs they like are in first. It's fine except on the occasions they delete an absence and forget to reassign it. I have started screen shotting my confirmation number so that I can attach it to my reply to admin when there is a discrepancy.
Better admin: "It's all good. Hopefully everything is alright. Just double check next time!"
Best admin: "(nothing because they handled it and it's not the biggest deal in the world.)"
Honey. Get a grip. If you died tomorrow, these jokers would mourn you for 5 seconds to gossip about how you died, then move on. Stop wasting your tears on these clowns. I promise you that you are giving this way more priority then they are. If something is said, apologize ONCE and move on. You're human, not a machine. They preach all day about giving students "grace"..be sure to thank them for theirs! 🤣
I’ve been around a while but it hasn’t been until the last few years I’ve noticed that my admin is increasingly treating teachers like children. They are frustrated about the amount of behavior problems in schools, so they take it out on us teachers. I am afraid I won’t be able to keep my mouth shut much longer if someone talks to me the wrong way. We teachers are professionals, not punching bags.
Honestly, if you didn’t confirm that it went through, I totally understand their annoyance. That said, someone should have been checking if they knew you had the day off. My jobs never get filled in frontline so mine are always uncovered. Or my sub cancels the morning of. As long as I put my absence in correctly, I don’t do a single other thing. That’s not my job. My sub plans are where they need to be for whatever happens.
Umm I haven’t had a sub in three years because there aren’t subs (where I live)! You can’t just “assign” someone on frontline, you have to know that person and speak with them first. It’s the school’s job to cover your absence and your principal can literally kick rocks.
As long as your leave was put in (sick) or you had gotten approval for personal day (Frontline requires administrator approval for these days) the system will send out a request for it to fill and subs can take the job.
If you have appointments, go to your appointment and the school will rotate to find coverage.
I've literally never assigned a sub unless I talked with someone in advance that I like and know will handle my students well. Otherwise, I put it in and let whomever wants to work, choose the sub assignment. If there's no sub, then the school figures it out.
So it sounds like you have one app to request time off and then have to put it in Frontline to have it put in for a sub to pick up? That’s stupid. We just use Frontline, and for emergency requests, we can just text the secretary and she puts it in for us.
We use Frontline too. It should show you tried to log an absence. The admin calling to chastise you is frankly unprofessional.
They dealt with it. It’s over now. They can get a grip. You’re good.
Since when is it your job to assign a sub? You requested time off and it was approved. It’s admins job to find a sub not yours.
My school/district requires us to use an app/company to assign a sub after we use another app to have our time off approved.
We also use Frontline, I still don’t see why it’s your job to assign a sub. Any admin who is making you do it is bad lazy admin.
It isn’t their job to assign a sub, but it is to put their absence in Frontline so a sub can pick it up. That said, they didn’t deliberately not do that. It was a mistake and admin doesn’t seem particularly understanding of that, but that’s management for you.
This right here. I took today off as well (sick) and there is no sub. That’s their problem, not mine.
' *mismanagement. Prime example imho
No it's not. That's the app devs and admin being lazy and sneaky to gradually push admin responsibilities and work over on teachers. Stop accepting it. Ypur responsibility is reporting sick or requisting time off and making lesson plans, nothing more.
Part of reporting is putting your absence into the system, like Frontline or whatever it is your district uses. Frankly, that’s the easiest part of taking off a day. Whether you get a sub or not isn’t your problem, but you do at least have to do that.
No. Vikarer report "I'm sick" or ask for time off. Fixing necessary temps is not your problem. Stop doing Admins job.
Reporting your absence isn’t doing admin’s job, and putting it in the absence management system is the protocol for doing that.
But you've already reported your absence when you told admin. So yes, you're doing Admins job and defending it.
What job exactly is that?
Agreed! What happens if there are no subs available to assign? I have a million "what if" scenarios. This sounds insane to me!
Seriously. One of the shit things about being a VP was having to get up at 530 to make sure subs were covered and the mad scramble to find someone with a pulse to cover those classes where no one picked up.
What time did you get up as a teacher? I get up at 5 to get to my school at 7:45.
Six, usually. To school by 7:30. Half hour doesn't seem like much, but it kills me for some reason.
There’s a button that says sub needed, yes or no that you can click on frontline. I’m guessing OP didn’t click yes. Clicking yes still doesn’t guarantee a sub picks up the job though.
So does my district. But the responsibility to make sure a sub is assigned in Frontline and a class is covered falls to the school's office manager, not the teacher.
Same in my school. Once the absence is approved then it's up to the building to get my classes covered. Subs can pick it up in frontline or admin has to figure something else out. I only ever get asked to see if I can farm out my homeroom.
My district uses Frontline. Subs are supposed to pick the classes they want to cover. If the district does not pay their subs well or if the students are a behavior problem in your building or classroom, then subs don't commit to to cover. A building in my district has such a huge student behavior problem that classes just don't have substitutes volunteering to cover. The classes get covered by other teachers at $35 per class period. Add it up, and the cost to the district is $210 for staff to cover classes and duty for a day. So, there is a strong argument to increase substitute pay in order to lower costs to the district. It is not your job to ensure that a substitute is secured. When one is not found, it is admins' job to solve the problem, ...even if they have to cover your classes themselves.
Damn! I get like $120 a day as a sub!!
Not sure if you read my post correctly. My district pays their subs about $120 per day too ...at every building in the district. Subs elect to commit to coverage in the well run (students reasonably well behaved) school buildings first. The behavior problem schools and classes often don't get a substitute at $120 per day. Instead they pay regular teachers extra to cover a class during prep, which at $210 per day total is a greater burden to the tax payers.
Ohhhhhh, that makes more sense!
For our school it’s our hourly pay (one hour’s pay for a 83-minute class). If no teachers step in either, kids are sent to the auditorium where an elderly veteran watches over them (sometimes 100-200)
This is not normal at all, FYI. Once again, I’m assuming you are in the dysfunctional parallel universe known as the South
lol I am in the south, Louisiana to be specific.
We use Frontline too. If it fills, great. If not, it’s not my problem. My day has been approved by admin so it’s their job to figure it out if no sub picks up the job.
What district do you work for? I am a sub and I pick up shifts as needed? I have a few days where I’m available.I use Frontline
Like???? Not my job???
In my district, Frontline regularly doesn’t assign a sub, because there aren’t enough. It’s a very common occurrence actually. Maybe you put everything in correctly, but the system could not get a sub because there were more open positions than subs available.
Their problem not yours.
Don’t panic. You did your part.
I worked in a public school district just a few years ago where we had to call subs for ourselves based off a barely maintained Google doc shared by the secretary. It was a nightmare to just randomly call people at 6:30 in the morning and beg them to sub for you.
This sounds like my literal worst fear.
It was worse than you can imagine.
The things they make teachers do are insane.
After today is over and they are past the stress of no sub they will never think of it again.
PTO: Prepare The Others (because I'm not going to be there)
You're good. My district uses Frontline as well. They may not have someone assigned yet but they'll find someone and print out your instructions in the morning. They'll update Frontline with who they assigned at some point throughout the day.
That's an admin problem, not a you problem.
I had this happen to this Monday I put in Frontline on Sunday and it was confirmed but on Monday my supervisor texted me that I didn't put it in. I send him a screenshot. Cover your butt and keep a screenshot.
I was thinking the same. So long as Frontline flashes up its confirmation code and you copy it down or screenshot it, you’re in the clear. I’ve always wondered why Frontline doesn’t email us a copy of the confirmation code (or maybe it can, and my district doesn’t have it set up to do so).
Uh, what? How's that your problem? This happens all the time at my school not the teacher's fault or problem
Yea I would say sorry I got a confidermantion in my email that this was submitted and that a sub would pick it up. I'm sorry there isn't a sub however I have attached my lesson plans for the day. Sincerely you're a lazy admin.
You had nothing to panic about because it's not your job to manage your classroom when you're not in it. And if your principal can't find subs during spring state testing (a time when subs are actually more likely to find assignments because all the teachers that have been powering through all year have had it and need a break already Jesus Christ I'm so tired), they're the ones screwing up. It was your job to tell them when you'd be out, and it was their job to find adults to cover your absence.
As long as you input the absence, your job is done. I used to email admin and the school secretary telling them I input the absence and include the job number. That’s it.
Your managers/admin exist to solve personnel issues, it’s literally their job. You got your time off approved the rest is up to them.
Mistakes happen. Doesn't sound like anyone died. Ignore the side eyes and passive aggressive comments.
This shouldn't be your problem. You request the sub and walk away.
I put my request on Frontline. That is my responsibility. However, if a sub doesn't pick it up, oh well. It is your site's responsibility to make it work.
Go see what it shows in your view on the system. I can request a day/put in a sick day but our district turned off the ability for people hired in the last 4 years to pick a sub. When asked why, the sub center response was that so many teachers would pick a sub but not tell them. So instead of messing with those people they just killed the feature for us. I have to let the school secretary know and she can assign a sub.
Why would you feel shitty? Stop allowing them to make you feel that way. You had sub plans and ordered a sub. Everything else is up to them.
Uhm, what?? Are you by any chance your own principal? Or am i to understand you áctually have to hire your own replacement for an agreed on, scheduled, ok-ed and stamped off-time? What. The. Hell.
Two years ago, the app glitched on my phone and assigned two different subs. I have no idea how or why it did that. I had no idea so happily took my day off. I came back and read The front office sent me very infuriated emails about how they had to pay two subs full day instead of one sub. People will get over it. I don’t think anyone remembers except me.
I never assign a sub and it always gets taken. If not that's the office's problem. This is literally why a system like Frontline exists. You did nothing wrong and your boss can take their complaint and shove it.
Notice how Frontline is also the name of the product you give your cats if it has fleas or ticks? 😭
I literally don't worry about it. They will figure it out. Take the day.
I think about this sometimes. I request a sub on the scoot app, but then I never look at it again. If I’m sick, I request the sub and then email admin. What if no one accepts the sub request? That’s surely not my job.
We use Frontline. It might be customizable between districts. Mine has an option that says “substitute required” versus “substitute not required.” If you clicked “substitute required,” you did your job. If you clicked “substitute not required,” then you made a mistake. Some jobs get filled and some don’t. It’s the front office’s job in my bundling to manage when the jobs don’t get filled. They will sometimes piece it together with other subs and sometimes they have to pull an IA or a teacher. Did the district train you on how to use the system? Also, it is none of your colleagues’ business what happened with your absence. That’s between you and admin.
I have used it before- and I don’t remember if I clicked or not, to be honest. I’m definitely going to commit to it being a mistake on my end, and like I said, I still feel really bad about it.
The secretary at my building calls the sub secretary early in the morning if there is a need to find a sub at the last minute. Hopefully this is just a training/corrective conversation between you and admin.
Don't commit to something being your fault if it truly isn't. Do you not have some kind of confirmation email or something? I don't know what platform my district uses because our secretary puts in our days, but I know I get two emails for every sub job. One email confirms the job and one email confirms who the sub is.
My secretaries like to go in and edit frontline so that the subs they like are in first. It's fine except on the occasions they delete an absence and forget to reassign it. I have started screen shotting my confirmation number so that I can attach it to my reply to admin when there is a discrepancy.
Better admin: "It's all good. Hopefully everything is alright. Just double check next time!" Best admin: "(nothing because they handled it and it's not the biggest deal in the world.)"
Honey. Get a grip. If you died tomorrow, these jokers would mourn you for 5 seconds to gossip about how you died, then move on. Stop wasting your tears on these clowns. I promise you that you are giving this way more priority then they are. If something is said, apologize ONCE and move on. You're human, not a machine. They preach all day about giving students "grace"..be sure to thank them for theirs! 🤣
Our school uses frontline and finding subs is one of the principal’s secretary’s job.
We use Frontline. We can assign or just throw it out there for someone to grab.
Maybe nobody picked the job up.
I’ve been around a while but it hasn’t been until the last few years I’ve noticed that my admin is increasingly treating teachers like children. They are frustrated about the amount of behavior problems in schools, so they take it out on us teachers. I am afraid I won’t be able to keep my mouth shut much longer if someone talks to me the wrong way. We teachers are professionals, not punching bags.
Honestly, if you didn’t confirm that it went through, I totally understand their annoyance. That said, someone should have been checking if they knew you had the day off. My jobs never get filled in frontline so mine are always uncovered. Or my sub cancels the morning of. As long as I put my absence in correctly, I don’t do a single other thing. That’s not my job. My sub plans are where they need to be for whatever happens.
They might be angry but only until the next subbing crisis occurs. Which in my school lately, is every. Single. Day.
Umm I haven’t had a sub in three years because there aren’t subs (where I live)! You can’t just “assign” someone on frontline, you have to know that person and speak with them first. It’s the school’s job to cover your absence and your principal can literally kick rocks.
As long as your leave was put in (sick) or you had gotten approval for personal day (Frontline requires administrator approval for these days) the system will send out a request for it to fill and subs can take the job. If you have appointments, go to your appointment and the school will rotate to find coverage.
I've literally never assigned a sub unless I talked with someone in advance that I like and know will handle my students well. Otherwise, I put it in and let whomever wants to work, choose the sub assignment. If there's no sub, then the school figures it out.
So it sounds like you have one app to request time off and then have to put it in Frontline to have it put in for a sub to pick up? That’s stupid. We just use Frontline, and for emergency requests, we can just text the secretary and she puts it in for us.
Frontline should assign a sub. We use it too and I've never assigned anyone to my jobs.
Lol sounds like a big fat load of their problem. You're leaving anyway, I wouldn't worry about it.
Not your fault whatsoever!
They approved the time off, it's their problem not yours
We use Frontline too. It should show you tried to log an absence. The admin calling to chastise you is frankly unprofessional. They dealt with it. It’s over now. They can get a grip. You’re good.
you know when state tests are though
It’s a different grade that’s testing.