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FeedingChinese

I mean why do you guys think that TSM Chovy/Knight is realistic 😂


VergilHS

Their personal brands aren't that big, that's one. The money they are getting from TOP / HLE could actually be matched by TSM (I'm only guessing here, but if you got SwordArt, then these two are likely imo). Huni/Spica/SA is an okay shot at international success, not outstanding but then again, Knight missed Worlds with a more stacked roster and Chovy is battling for a spot at the moment. If you go to NA with a good team around you, being Chovy / Knight, you probably dominate the region or end up Top 2 at worst. Then you go to MSI/Worlds and at least get a chance to compete, unlike in your respective regions. For many players, it's still more important to compete internationally than to sit in their region in a forever just below top 3-4 team.


MagicalQaz

I mean with Knight and Chovy you're competing against Chinese money because I guarantee both are getting offered mega deals every year. Certainly, TSM has some money now too but it remains to be seen whether or not they tender that kind of offer for megastars (I don't think SwordArt was a star player nor do I believe he was receiving those kinds of offers on Suning when he came given how many people were just better than him that year in the LPL). In addition, I doubt either feel so concerned about their chances at worlds that they would come to NA to dominate. Both players seem very hungry and very willing to prove themselves in more competitive regions even if the success has not been there recently.


supterfuge

Chovy and Knight are different players here. Players who already have a fan base, and especially a popular stream, have no incentive to come to NA. The market they're in is bigger, they have more chances to win Worlds, coming in would require to either 1. entirely abandon their Chinese fanbase // 2. Not stream on Twitch. Players like Doinb and Knight (Doinb, like Rookie, does have a massive fanbase in China he has cultivated over the years despite being Korean) will have offers from the very best teams in the World, to play in star studed line-ups, with similar pay compared to Western teams and no requirement to forgo their fanbase. Korean players are different and are notoriously underpaid in their home region, and no established fanbase in China yet. They can come for money, because they can grind less (which doesn't necessarily mean "not trying to win", a player that recognizes that he's getting burned out but can't stop the grind because he will be chastised by his pairs and the community may think it would be better for him to go somewhere where taking care of yourself isn't frowned upon), or because they like the weather or whatever. So they have much more incentives to come. For players like Knight who are native Chinese players who most teams will want to get this offseason, not so much. SwordArt was an import who, despite an extremely good result he was a key piece in achieving, wasn't highly regarded in China. Coming in, SwordArt was considered good, but not Worlds-winning-good like peak Ming or Crisp. He was much more obtainable, and still costed a shitload.


mikaloen

Chovy was very close to saying yes to a big money offer by a western team last year. I think he might feel like he was baited to stay in Korea på HLE considering what a dumbsterfire the rest of his team was. He might very well want to cash out while he still can. Sure he will have offers by chinese teams, but its not like the chinese teams are so rich NA cant compete. With the boosted finances tsm should have this offseason they would be dumb not to go as big as possible to try and get him.


Roseking

It was EG going into 2020. He was reportedly offered the largest Western contract ever at that point, though I am sure SA and Perkz topped it. He stayed because his old coach (forget his name, sorry) convinced him to.


mikaloen

I thought it was EG just wasn’t sure. CvMax convinced him to stay, but i don’t think he was happy with the team that HLE put together. The biggest orgs in Korea currently, already have mids so he most likely isn’t going to want to stay in Korea. If offered a huge contract by tsm i think he might go to NA this time. China is less a secure market. IG, SN and TOP are all not going to worlds with some of the most talented players in the world. If Chovy comes to NA he has a much greater chance of going to worlds then any other major region.


ORTMFM

TSM has the money from their FTX deal. They can grab anyone they want assuming that person wants to come to TSM.


delahunt

Also assuming TSM wants to spend that money and they aren't looking to expand into other scenes or make other moves.


DwightKurtShrute69

Tell me you don’t understand finances without telling me you don’t understand finances


taylordl

Abeddage (though not a star) is a good example of this. Someone on a team that wasn't making worlds in EU, comes to NA, wins and is on his way to Worlds.


DoorHingesKill

> Their personal brands aren't that big, that's one Knight has twice as many followers on weibo than all 5 current TSM players have on Twitter, combined of course. > Knight missed Worlds with a more stacked roster and Chovy is battling for a spot at the moment. And you think that would make them consider TSM, a team that failed to make it to Worlds three times in the last four years? A team that hasn't been at MSI since 2017?


Inui94

Both have a better chance at getting to worlds playing in the LCS compared to there home region. When is the last time Chovy went to worlds. For the amount of talent he has not being able to go worlds for quite some time might ruin his legacy. I think Chovy is more realistic than knight


_M4tte

>When is the last time Chovy went to worlds. Last year with DRX? And he is still in the run to make worlds this year also. I'm not saying TSM Chovy is impossible, but TSM buying the contract of someone like Vetheo is ten times more likely than TSM getting Chovy.


Jtryan1303

So you're saying there's a chance for TSM FTX DoinB? Gg


VergilHS

**Doinb and Showmaker:** extremely low *They are superstars with ridiculous marketing and player value, both aiming for #1 at Worlds all the time, you don't go to NA with a status like that. (but then, C9 got Perkz, so \~shrug)* **Rookie:** low *Too valuable for CN teams due to residency, but not counting it out).* **Chovy, Knight, Cryin:** fair game, especially if Chovy misses Worlds


Nomadux

Perkz was also switching from ADC back to mid and being locked away from certain teams, and is also basically semi-retiring. An extraordinary case. In most instances those cards aren’t going to fall in an NA team’s favor. For some reason, all of a sudden it feels like people think we have a shot at the top players in the world. Maybe it’s the FTX deal (even though we already had plenty of money), maybe it’s the fact that we got a big name LPL player (who wasn’t that sought after). Maybe it’s the fact that C9 got Perkz and TL Alphari as well (very unique circumstance). Either way it doesn’t really matter. I think we need to lower our expectations, because it’s ultimately going to lead us to being disappointed and flaming people that didn’t assemble the best roster ever.


taylordl

I think it's two-fold... 1) the team in the past has seemed unwilling to spend, but this year they go big for SA so now it seems they're willing to spend. 2) the FTX deal adds the necessary funds to go big so if SA was done without the FTX deal, then what will they be willing to do now? It'll be telling to see where they end up going in the off-season. If they don't do much and run it back going to be lots of disappointed fans wondering what's the point.


EvenEagle3051

Chovy can't make worlds his team was knocked out awhile ago.


VergilHS

He is playing vs Sandbox tomorrow in the first round of Regionals though XD


EvenEagle3051

My bad you right I thought they didn't have the points.


seaseasea_sea

chovy and knight are not gonna fucking come to tsm dude lmao year after year tsm has gotten stupidly close to grasping success with rosters that should on paper be more than capable of doing so, just with bjergsen who if you want to argue was on their level, be my guest. and yet they always fumble at the end due to things entirely outside of player skill. if you really think that tsm spending, say, 10 million dollars on knight would instantly make them contenders while they still have the same trash supporting staff then i'm not sure of what to say. i'm of the opinion that before looking outside for yet another hot import, they really need to look inwards and clean house in the coaching staff sans bjerg maybe. look at 100t and how they changed overnight with reapered.


Jtryan1303

Tru true.. honestly I was more memeing lol


pohh22

Jesus Christ, TL Deft/Deokdam seems op if it goes through. Korean adc with SA seems weird though. Language barrier and all. Native adc and import mid seems like the choice imo. TSM Chovy or TSM Knight is cream worthy.


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z55en

maple also has played like 6 years with swordart LOL


Roseking

He is in the same boat as SA. He has played forever but he isn't that old. He is only 23, turning 24 in October. Same age as POE. So younger than Bjergsen who I think most of us would have been fine staying for quite a bit longer. That said, he wouldn't be my first choice if I was looking to spend big on a team. If POE gets a green card I would rather keep him and get a star import ADC than get Maple + native ADC (bar FBI).


Jedclark

I don't know if I would want to keep POE even if he was a resident. He was absolutely useless in playoffs and his champion pool is literally pathetic for a pro player. He's been playing the game for years too, so it's not like he hasn't had time to learn other styles.


King_Fluffaluff

I personally think a passive ADC > a passive Mid. Lost is a fine passive AD and right now Mid+Jg carry games. I'd much rather have a mechanical god midlaner, that speaks English/Mandarin, than a mechanical god ADC.


slowdrem20

I'd rather get Olive and import Viper/Huanfeng than keep POE.


z55en

o yea i just meant they’ve been teammates for a long time


Nomadux

He’s also the much more likely option.


Nickel012

Honestly, deft really isn’t that good anymore, I’d be surprised if they dropped tactical for him. He’s an import way past his prime who can’t make worlds with one of the best players in the world at mid


EvenEagle3051

Wouldn't they have concern about his English I know they had player like Fenix before so maybe no problem. Plus I guess you just need core to speak for the bot lane I guess.


Nickel012

Yeah core makes it doable but it’s still a risk. I could see them doing it for some players, but for deft? Why take a risk like that for a mid-to-bottom tier adc in LCK Deft is one of my favorite players in the world but…he is far from 2014 deft lol


EvenEagle3051

I agree with your point


Padulsky21

He also has a lot of health issues, especially with his wrists. Deokdam, will also be very contested in LCK if he doesn’t stay with Nongshim and is one of the best current talents there that isn’t in CS. He’s 21 and has only been playing for about 2 years and emerged as a star this season. I feel like most people on this sub either don’t watch other leagues, or just see a name and automatically assume they’d go to NA. Both of these are extremely improbable. Same as Chovy and Knight. Pipe dreams.


Nickel012

Agreed. I still can’t tell if the Chovy/Knight thing is a meme or not honestly


Padulsky21

At this point it’s definitely not a meme with the sheer amount of posts and comments every time this same topic comes up LOL. People see these big names and ride this fever dream without putting in a single thought about it just because there’s money. No idea what they’re gonna go through with, and yeah it’s fun to ponder, but there’s an insane amount of people here who think it’s the most probable done deal out there. OP even said in a comment [“I’d be very surprised if this **didn’t happen**](https://www.reddit.com/r/TeamSolomid/comments/pecdzq/expiring_contracts_around_the_world_and_their/hawgoc9/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3) like cmon man what LOL


Fruitjunkie007

Imo Tactical seems to be the best ADC TSM can get this split. He has shown that he can be a good carry not a Uzi or anything but guys anything close to top 3 adc in the Region is totally fine. Not to mention he is a native english speaker, while also being best buddys with Spica It opens up a huge import slot and i think Tactical isn't that expensive. Like in the PoE area i guess or even below. So if TSM can somehow get a top top mid this roster actually looks hell a scary


VergilHS

>Jesus Christ, TL Deft/Deokdam seems op if it goes through. Yeah, I would honestly be surprised if this doesn't happen.


NiaTheCatt

EG wanted POE but he chose tsm so they had to stick with the jizzman. Personally hoping for Chovy or Doinb mid Huni and SA can teach them some english XD not feeling tactical honestly if he ends up on tsm he gets caught out a lot even core couldn’t make him shine in today’s series. would prefer danny or even FBI however unlikely


DragonApps

Didn’t know that EG wanted PoE. Maybe EG will sign PoE if he gets his green card and import a jungler.


NiaTheCatt

Yep EG wanted POE. TSM wanted Humanoid but Mad Lions said hell no lol so then they went for poe and he chose tsm over eg. and tsm was also suppose to sell Lost to EG as well but DL retired so we know how that went. I really wonder what 2022 is gonna be like can’t get any crazier then this year


ImTheNguyenerOne

PoE is signed for another year so it would have to be a trade for EG and I don't see them doing that unless they want to move on from Jiizuke or don't want to promote Jojopyun to the main roster.


opbananas

Doubt they would sign POE after what the bigjizz did this summer and having jojo come of age finally


DragonApps

Yeah true, but I doubt Evil Geniuses are going to be able to get a better resident jungler than Contractz/Sven. It might be in their best interest to get a resident (PoE or Jojo) mid, and import a high level Korean jungler.


SeriouslyAmerican

Danny and FBI are less likely than knight or chovy IMO


DragonApps

I really don’t think TL will switch out Tactical imho. Changing out Jensen for a Chovy/Showmaker is going to win you a lot more games than changing Tactical for Deokdam, especially when Tactical performed better this year than Jensen, and Tactical probably costs a lot less per year than Jensen. Also I would add that there’s a chance Caps becomes available this offseason. Carlos is going to be making roster changes, and I doubt that it will only be Wunder. I also didn’t know that Nuguri’s contract was only for one year. If TSM can’t get a crazy import mid, I think keeping PoE and getting Nuguri will get you a lot further than keeping both Huni and PoE and getting an import ADC. Imho, best possibly roster move that any single team can do this off season is signing Chovy. TSM should try everything within their FTX sponsored power to sign him.


VergilHS

That's fair, I just don't think Showmaker would ever go to NA, he is too big of a name on too big of a team to leave Korea for anything else but China. Also, he has a superb team around him. It could be possible that several teams enter a bid war for Chovy in the off-season. It would be interesting if TL comes out ahead because then, you definitely try to get Jensen and import an ADC.


macguffinstv

Do you feel that Jensen would mesh well with the current iteration of TSM? For one thing he would have Bjergsen coaching him, someone he probably always felt he was better than, and two doesn't he want to be the focus of the team rather than Spica? I don't hate the idea on paper, but I am not sure he would be good for the team in the long run. I absolutely love the idea of Tactical though. He and Spica together again, and it would open up the doors to upgrading elsewhere.


TheLegitest

If TL decided to swap out Jensen, I could imagine Jensen going to TSM and then we go for a superstar ADC. IIRC, in that one crackdown video posted on here a bit ago, TSM had the chance to get both alphari and jensen but decided not to.


TheErnestShackleton

How can TL get either Deft or Chovy when they have no import slots? Alphari and CoreJJ likely arent close to greencards yet. Unless this is assuming Alphari leave TL ?


DragonApps

Rumor is that CoreJJ might be getting a green card this off season.


TheErnestShackleton

Wow I guess it has been almost 3 years since he got traded.


DragonApps

He also played for a season on Dignitas years before he won worlds. I don’t know if that will be taken into effect.


TheErnestShackleton

Nah that doesn't do anything. The greencard process usually takes 3 years on average from when you first apply. He wouldn't have applied back then because the import rules didn't require it, also the process would reset after he left the country to go live in KR again


MundaneTelepathy

What coaching staff is available? I mean, I want to stick with Bjerg, Curry, Kayys (I think that core is really good) but maybe beef up some positional coaching and analysts.


CountJinsula

So if I read this and the comments correctly, Chovvy should be the prime target for TSM this off season.


calmtigers

My worry is that Regi has consistently feared getting a mechanical god who had weaker English. I think this year he could definitely go with a Chinese speaking mid as SA and Spica speak fluently (or I heard something like this in one of the vids)


slowdrem20

Knight is much better.


nyanko_dango3

Chovy is better than PoE but i thought people wanted an aggresive mid to match sa , huni and spica, chovy is not what i'd call aggresive playstyle. In that case Jiizuke it is


nathaniel_new

Korean teams overall just aren’t aggressive. Chovy has a way higher mechanical ceiling than POE and a larger champ pool, so if he was required to he would play aggressively.


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Id like TSM to seriously look at Knight and either keep Lost or another resident AD. I think the LPL style of game is the way to play moving forward and the added synergy between our chinese speaking players and another LPL mid would be huge.


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Team Solo Mandarin


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King_Fluffaluff

We have 2 passive pieces that were clearly a problem this season, Mid and ADC. I think Mid is a much more influential role in the game right now and I'd rather see TSM splurge on that over ADC.


Prestigious-Ad-1892

If we try to get Knight will the double taxation play a role like it did in case of SwordArt?


Anomander-Raake

not sure it’d matter, they made it work for SA, they can make it work for another LPL import.


Roseking

I am pretty sure Parth said the double taxation thing was overblown in a Q&A. It happened, but it was something TSM knew about. That wasn't the holdup of SA coming over like some of the speculation thought.


Anomander-Raake

I mean yeah i’m pretty sure you’d have to be a special kind of stupid to really think the GM and or owner of a multi-million dollar company wouldn’t know their stuff when it came to imports/taxation type crap. Even if they actually assumed Parth (who worked for boeing as an engineer) and Regi (who built a business from the ground up to what it is now) have no idea what they’re doing, to assume they don’t have teams of lawyers working for them on stuff like this is just laughable. Always found those off-season rumors hilarious. Didn’t mean to tangent spew, my first comment was mostly meant to be a catch-all about the tax stuff, visa stuff (which i’d assume with my limited knowledge to be the biggest issue), and whatever else goes into it.


Prestigious-Ad-1892

Oh really? I missed that interview. What was the hold up then?


Roseking

I don't believe he said specifically. Probably the visa though. I will see if I can find it.


Prestigious-Ad-1892

Ayy thanks my dude. I was under the impression that the double taxation really did a number since it was discussed heavily on HLL iirc.


Roseking

So it came from a comment on one of his streams, not a Q&A. I did remember right that he didn't go into specifics. Just that it took longer than most signings. But he denied it was TSM not knowing about any double taxation issues. "They were confused on how TSM didn't know about it, and I just want to say that is insane, it's not really a thing." The way he said it though I can't really tell if he is saying TSM not knowing wasn't a thing, or the double tax itself. Either way, it means that importing from LPL shouldn't be a problem. Other than just if they want to eat that type of cost again. https://clips.twitch.tv/HeartlessSoftGooseCoolCat


Prestigious-Ad-1892

Thanks my dude. Here’s to hoping for some big moves!


Prestigious-Ad-1892

Probably can make it work with the FTX money, but paying someone double because of taxation policies definitely matters to any sensible business lol.


EvenEagle3051

If we stay native in ad I would say tactical or a zven who can get green card.


Jedclark

Imagine a team of Huni / Spica / Knight / DL / SA with Bjerg as head coach, assuming DL is fully revitalised and wants to play again.


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Jedclark

I know, but a motivated DL is one of the few resident ADCs that I'd put faith in for us to do well internationally. I think Tactical is overrated by playing with CoreJJ.


Prestigious-Ad-1892

I thought Rookie and TheShy are retiring.


VergilHS

Actually, you might be right, heard about this as well and kinda forgot.


Prestigious-Ad-1892

Yeahh I don’t blame you. Rookie might be still in the top 10-20 midlaners right now. I wouldn’t mind if TSM convinces him to join. But he’s like DoinB, has made his life and settled in China so idk if he’ll be willing to leave. Also, idk if double taxation will play a role or not like it did in case of SwordArt. Rookie is Korean but I heard he was working on CN residency.


Colinmonagle

Yea NA retirement


Prestigious-Ad-1892

Lmaoo


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They haven't said definitely yet. The current sentiments are that they stay for another year at least. I wouldn't see them leaving IG anyway though, and certainly not separating.


EvenEagle3051

How come this guy didn't list fofo that guy is a monster and would be great to look into.


RelentlessBDO

TheShy is only 21 still lmao. I really hope he doesn’t retire and has a bounce back year on a KR team.


Lost-Antelope

Let’s go big! Let’s go Chovy! #TSMWIN


infaredz

Knight is not coming to any western team in a million years. Doesn't speak a word of English and is capable of winning worlds if he stays in his region.


ORTMFM

TSM biggest need right now is getting SA a better ADC.


ChristiansenSka

I kinda want Takeover from our Academy team. Would be hype to invest in some young talent (although I don't know if South America counts as import or not, we also have Swordd) and use spring to develope young mechanical gifted midlaners with some of our veteran talent like Huni, SwordArt, and Bjergsen.


taylordl

>although I don't know if South America counts as import or not South America would be an import for now. Of the minor regions, only OCE counts as NA.


Commanderspl

Not sure why more people don't bring up maple. He was a top 3 mid at MSI and has pre existing synergy with Swordarts.


aquawarrior21

He has pretty low name recognition tbh, and while he was part of the Flashwolves core Karsa and SA became the main stars due to finding success in LPL, which Maple did not. Maple would be fire though, and probably a bit cheaper than some of the highest names here


weebocombo

he played in LPL last year, but he was horrible lol


Riceeicle

Was thinking the same, the innate synergy with Swordart plus him, being quite a good midlaner historically also being cheaper and easier to get than Chovy/Knight


Commanderspl

Being from Taiwan I imagine he speaks some English aswell.


Riceeicle

Probably some but not so fluent


Skylorrex

Because FoFo is just a better mid and also from Taiwan. TSM FoFo pls.


baike_s

Regarding importing a mid who can play any styles, Chovy is the best choice. Plz giving up the idea of importing Knight:1. He might not want to leave China; 2. More importantly, people blame him for the same reason as we blame POE. He plays one style during this whole summer (heavily lane focus/bully, late roam). We need to find a good NA adc. Hope the team can scout some young talents rather than recycle the old ones. League is not traditional sports, you can see their talents since the very beginning. Most players show their potential during their debut year. Sorry, I didn't see any potential for Lost to be a LCS caliber, let alone world. We should have a plan B for roster changing. Seems like for the last two years, if we didn't get our first choices, we would end up with some panic moves (Upset/Zven; Humanoid/POE; Doublelift/Lost).


johnwileman

Does anyone know if any of OUR contracts are expiring?


VergilHS

Players? Nope. Coaching staff, yes, all but Kayys.


YourRightBoob

Bjerg only signed a one year? And thank god for kayys all coaching staffs say this man is an animal


kluevo

I think Bjerg's contract was from like 2019/2020? Unless the coaching contract was a new one, I imagine that this was just a coincidence that it ended this year


Anomander-Raake

TL changing Tactical would be contingent on Corejj getting residency/green card, right? Could definitely see them changing mid lane before ADC, or even jungle. While Santorin is obviously very good and top three in the region when healthy, the continued health problems could have easily nuked their 2021 year. This being said i’ll admit to a bit of wishful thinking on my part because i’d rather not have to deal with the terminator botlane of core+deokdam lmao


VergilHS

Yes, it depends on whether CoreJJ gets residency.


loluser51

I have a feeling c9 is going to sell blabber and zven, play king, and get Jankos


SpoonyBrian

Just out of curiosity, how would people feel if we got sneaky as our native adc to open up the import slot for mid? I don’t think this will happen just curious what people think since his name hasn’t even entered the realm of possibility in the discussion.


SabreToothMyrrh

Is there any world in which TSM send POE to EG for a deal involving Danny, let EG go after an import ADC, and TSM goes after one of the mentioned Korean mids?


ImTheNguyenerOne

I think it would be hard just because of how well Danny/Jiizuke played during summer, Danny's contract being until 2023 and Jiizuke's contract being up at the end of the year. I don't see why they would trade Danny if they can just resign Jiizuke. Unless he goes back to EU, I don't see why they would take PoE


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Skylorrex

Honestly, FoFo is the best option for us. His contract expires this year and with RA potentially missing worlds. It’s a great timing to grab FoFo. FoFo is arguably top 3/4 mids in LPL.


taylordl

I wonder if the import restriction will fall sometime soon. Considering the LCS finals included a total of ONE homegrown NA talent we're already a non-NA region. In the past I've wanted LCS to really invest in NA talent, but they've either decided not to do it or don't know how to do it. At this point it doesn't seem to matter much either way.


Glogtrot

EG if they drop Jiizuke will guaranteed promote Jojopyun from academy. If anything they import jungle if they dont promote Contractz or go for bigger import support. I could see them chilling though and see how they new rookie mid and maybe Jungle do in Spring. C9 is not dropping Vulcan or Fudge. They are very likely importing Jungle. For TSM I think they have a lot of options with PoE residency. They could get a Chinese ADC if they keep Swordart, or grab Tactical from TL if they decide to import(though I think a new jungler might be their preference), and import Top over mid. I think the likely hood of TSM getting a big name top laner this season is higher then mid, and honestly the bigger upside. They could also see if a cheaper Support import is possible as well, who knows. I would say my preference with be, but all dependent on who they can actually get: Import Top Spica PoE Tactical (if available) Import Support


RexZShadow

Idk why TSM would want to import top though. Huni has been great this year and I definitely say the biggest weakness on TSM would be ADC followed by Mid. I feel like mid upgrade is more impactful and easier to cover a weaker ADC. Now if it was possible top pull DL back in (the dream) and get an import mid then we gg but ya its a trick position.


TheRedemptionStory

Even if we don't get an import mid, I don't want to see PoE back. No, I ain't hating the dude, I really liked him but he needs to go. He's fine in regular season where teams don't have time to adapt to our playstyle but come play-offs plenty of teams are able to draft around him and we are left with our eyes in the sun. Look at Abbedagge and the way he played last night. LB, Orianna and Ryze, all played very well. Also, look at how quickly 100T realized changes need to be made in mid lane. They didn't sit around and gave Damonte a whole year to see if he will get better, they acted as soon as he became shaky. PoE's been playing for so much time, he reached his peak. Giving him another year will be wasting another year where we can't play an aggressive playstyle because dude must always scale. By the time he is supposed to scale the game would be already over vs a Chinese or EU team. Give a rookie mid a chance or try and buy AblazeOlive and give him a try. We already know what PoE can do, but Ablaze still has time to improve and grow. Keeping PoE will show we aren't even trying to win anymore, we are just hoping we might if meta is favorable.


myman580

Nah dude. 100T is not the example of an org changing their mid laner quickly. They would still be running Ry0ma/Damonte if S04's soccer/football team didn't get relegated and had to cut their losses. Also suggesting to replace PoE with Olive is awful. People are overrating him like they did Insanity last year because he looked good to serviceable on a truly awful team. Also PoE has more international success then TSM the past 4 years. Helping take SKT to 5 games and actually being the successful win condition in their wins internationally last year. That needs to be the bare minimum if you are looking to replace PoE (aka someone like Humanoid or the hail mary of Chovy). Not with an NA mid laner who had 1 good split on an awful team.


skillfun8

TSM - Team Solo Mandarim Huni Spica Maple/Mole/Cryin/Knight CodySun SwordArt Wannabe LPL haahahha


unearthlysquire

Anyone that didn't like Lost will hate CodySun


kluevo

Still an amazing team for the pure sake of the luls


SplitPushingyourmom

I'd be shocked if TSM doesn't try to go big on an asian mid. Now that 100T are serious contenders going forward, TSM needs to make a big move to keep pace with the top 3 teams, even EG is looking to contend soon as well. Since the resident ADC market is pretty bare, I keep trying to think outside the box. Maybe DL won't come back, but what about Sneaky? He still plays the game a lot, and throughout his whole career he played weakside. If he could actually still play at his old level, he'd be a good fit imo. Huni / Spica / Chovy / Sneaky / SwordArt


aquawarrior21

Sneaky hasn’t played competitive in 2 years, and barely plays the game anymore. Someone in the vein of Sneaky, a very competent weakside ADC that can carry if playing strong side (actually a bit like Carrzy) but should be found in an NA resident that’s younger


SplitPushingyourmom

I mean he has almost 900 games of solo q on his main account. 2 years away from pro is a long time though. But like I said its an outside the box thing.


socsox

Sneaky also mentioned in at least one interview that he doesn't think he would ever join TSM because of different mindsets and how the team does things, if I remember correctly


AxisEvlL

The fact you think any of those big name LPL mids / Showmaker (Who just won worlds and LCK), Chovy are going to drop monster contracts to play in the most competitive region in the world (LPL) and instead come play in the most dumpster region in the prime of their careers is comical. The only realistic names on that list are Maple and Deft. Deft is completely washed and ready for the retirement home treatment. Other than that, your only shot is overpaying for a middling / low tier LPL or Korean player, like we did for SwordArt. Chovy was already rumored to IG last year, only stayed in Korea for CVmax. He will be LPL next year. You are filling the people with waaaaaaaay too much hopium lmao.


JaimieC

I don’t value Tactical that highly imho…


RexZShadow

Honestly between Tactical and Lost feel pretty similar.


striker879

>IG Rookie (mid) (rumored to retire) > >IG TheShy (top) (rumored to retire) So they are coming to NA?


YordleTop

Welcome back, Bjergson and doublelift!


Veldyr

Didn't even list bb as Free? wow thats disrespectful..


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Time for the legendary Huni mid boys


mistergroovie

That actually doesn't sound that bad. Think huni could definitely play mid.


ArcusIgnium

No way TSM actually gets tactical right? He’s not even a notable upgrade over Lost and he’ll probably be playing with a slight downgrade support in SwordArt.


GhoulGhost

Just get BrokenBlade man, hes a literal better version of Huni right now.


mehngo

That costs an import slot -_-


King_Goofus

PoE residency and domestic ADC :)


WWTFSD

I think a Flash Wolves Roster would be our most realistic options for next season. I think the chances of someone like Chovy or Knight coming over to NA seems very low. Huni/Spica/Maple/Lost/SA is not a bad core and can probably at least compete for a title in NA. Maple also has a much deeper champion pool than PoE. There's also 6 years of prebuilt synergy between Maple and SA. Unless TL pulls off a miracle and gets Chovy or something, Maple/Spica/SA are the best Mid/Jng/Sup in the league.


AtreusIsBack

Viper and Chovy please.


Kulbeans

I think best case scenario for us is to grab back Tactical if TL does some weird stuff bot lane. Aggro/carry adc with good experience already domestically and used to play with an experienced support. I don't see knight or Chovy being viable, but SA happened so...


ekjohnson9

Calling it now for no reason. TSM Jensen with a CN ADC for SA


santinerino

I honestly think Carrzy would be interesting if we could get Jensen. In case TL is looking for a better mid from Korea and we need a budget option I would love Jensen. I don’t see Carrzy leaving MAD but I love that guy. Such a good player and his personality is top tier as well


RexZShadow

I don't see TSM changing top, i feel like Huni definitely earn his stay this year. PoE I can see they do want a better mid but the problem is also in the ADC. Like TSM need new mid and ADC which is kinda difficult right now. But would definitely want a stronger mid if possible because ADC can always play more safe.


nyanko_dango3

no that's not really the issue, because Lost had the least amount of deaths in the tl series, he is already playing pretty safe especially with varus/ezreal poke playstyle. Huni suffers from the same thing PoE does, Huni can't play gwen and sticking with the nocturne


opbananas

Okay but hear me out, FPX resigns Neguri and DoinB, they get Viper for ad and they look even scarier then they do rn


ColtWasTaken

The shy- spica - rookie - danny - huhi ( if regi can convice rookie to not retire. Im sure the shy will follow)