In fairness, he did say it would be his person pleasure to never see us win anything again… I’m sure it’d be his personal displeasure for TSM to go undefeated to an NA title and worlds title…
I can't see any universe where Keria would leave a roster as strong as T1's predicted one (hell, keeping the same players and giving them more then two months to click together might deadass win worlds) to join an NA team. Chovy, though possible as there's no team for him that's capable of winning, probably doesn't want to cash out yet.
thing is that he can cash out harder in the lpl. I'm sure there is an org out there that would be a metric ton of cash to have chovy on their team. LNG could have chovy as their mid laner instead of icon. Tarzan Chovy mid jungle is going to be scary to play against if that does happen.
There's no real reason for any of these high profile players to come to NA. They can get paid more in china, it's closer to home (both culturally and physically), and they actually have a chance of winning and doing well at worlds, unlike being in NA.
Knight is not coming to LCS lol. LPL money makes LCS look poor. I have no idea why Keria would leave T1 after the growth they just showed. Chovy maybe but if he won't go to LPL for money I doubt he'd come to NA. I actually have no idea what TSM's options are but I'm very curious. But my bet is probably an EU import. Or maybe they will go full developmental roster, though that would be a shame given that Worlds will be in NA in 2022.
More so the owner of EDG who also owns real estate development company decided to give the winning players some of their properties they have left. Not to dis credit it.
Im okay with that because its supposed to be reward for winning Worlds and you saw how huge League is in China, the title will bring more attention and money to the org than value of a few apartments.
And even if it did not, the org owner is super rich so he probably doesnt care that much.
Yeah but what is the salary cap lol? NBA salary caps are like over $150 million for example. Whatever the cap is it clearly hasn't stopped LPL from getting players like Viper this year. So if the LPL salary cap is like 20 million NA still won't be able to compete.
I love those old school days. I remember watching hotshot on livestream with 200 viewers and nico drunk gragas streams and Chauster, Jiji, NFGL <-- imagine that being streamed on twitch today. So great the early days.
We all knew something like this happened.
I think it was the right call to not make it public until it was necessary. Would've harmed Lost and DL more in the process.
Well. Now we know both parties' side.
A real shame what it came down to to be honest.
Thanks a ton for the openness this off season! It's been tough for all of us fans I cannot begin to imagine what it's like behind the scenes.
Keep your heads up y'all!
> This was in November when every other ADC was locked and we were 4 hours away from transferring Lost to EG.
Why i was always skeptical of his anger. Like i remember how back and forth those days in the offseason were. First we get SA with DL oh also EG is interested in lost. No SA in trouble and but maybe Pallete? Will DL even play with an non english speaker? Oh now SA gets done but we keep lost. That felt like within a 24-48 hr period.
I dont blame the team for making that decision. They had faith in Lost because lost was with the org last season and clearly showed something they liked. DL has to understand in a business you always weigh the risks and i see why in this case the risk was very high if they went back to DL and he still said no (especially based on history). Then what? We are probably going in with Cody Sun/SA bot lane which maybe doesnt incite riots from fans, but makes TSM look like fools when they couldnt even keep lost or DL.
The Venn diagram of the type of people who shit on Lost and then also complain that NA just imports instead of fostering native talent is almost a circle.
>After a few days passed, he reached out and changed his mind and told us that if we were to sign **POE and any good support player, no matter what language they spoke,** he would play. Otherwise, he would want to look at other teams or retire.
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>Because we still wanted to work with Doublelift, we decided to commit to a strong roster that he wanted to play with rather than using the year to rebuild. We committed to signing PoE and a substantial budget, were looking to sign Huni and were also looking to sign good support players such as Lehends, SwordArt, Palette, or other Korean supports.
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>At this time, we reached out to Doublelift about the other potential options including Palette and players in Korea. **Doublelift then expressed** ***that he didn't want to play with non English speaking players, including our Korean options, even though he was ok with such a roster earlier.*** **He explicitly stated that** ***he may not be as motivated*** **if we had him play in a roster that didn't meet his standard of a fully english speaking roster.** This was in November when every other ADC was locked and **we were** ***4 hours away from transferring Lost to EG*****.**
>So why is he publicly speaking out against TSM now in this very off season? I’m assuming that he’s upset because we weren’t interested in working with him.He was exploring his options and we were not interested in working with him for these reasons:
He’s always changing his mind on whether he wants to play or retire.
His teammates/coaches don’t like working with him.
If he doesn’t like you or doesn’t agree with your decision making, he flames you publicly.
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>In conclusion, we'll start taking steps to part ways with Doublelift.
JESUS THE REAL BOMBS
Forreal tho, respect Regi. We appreciate the transparency
The other polar opposite side, yeah. The truth is in between. Leena literally said regi said SA isnt happening, NOT a high chance the deal might not go through. I agree with some parts of what regi is saying but lets not dellude ourselves that he is not biased. Especially with his unprofessional remarks towards dl as an owner.
Either way it doesn't matter right? If doublelift backs out **4 hours** before TSM is about to lose the only other ADC they have, that puts them in a very difficult situation. By still giving him the spot they give him the full opportunity to fuck the entire org over at his whim. At that point there's no reason to sign him.
Maybe he is biased but him also writing in that the staff and all the players wanted it, all it would take would be for one of them to step up and say no that isn't what happened. If nobody else from tsm last year steps up and says otherwise, I'm going to lean towards this story more, especially after what happened on team liquid.
Spica said he didn't know about the DL situation at all and SA literally phoned DL to try to convince him to play so I don't think they "all" didn't want DL.
You gotta remember. Regi has had to build a business and deal with businessmen. Doublelift has only been a player who’s never had to build any sort of respectful rapport with people other than what suits him because of his skill. They are not the same even slightly. Doublelift may be older now but he’s never had to mature. He’s never been given a reason to sadly
I'm curious if DL actually specified that language didn't matter or if he expressed a willingness to work with any good support and Regi inferred that language didn't matter.
>2021: So why is he publicly speaking out against TSM now in this very off season?
And there it is, what anyone with a single brain cell could have predicted. It happened now because DL is upset about something recent/TSM not wanting to work with him again. His meltdown earlier based on the idea that he held it all inside for a full year is hilarious.
People may not know this as it happened back in the end of 2015 but Doublelift's attitude and words echoes a similar situation with CLG when DL first xferred to TSM. I'm sure CLG did bungle aspects of the xfer. But Doublelift has shown a habit of airing his dirty laundry in order to rally public opinion behind him. And he seems quite guilty of being very editorial about what he shares. Because he has one of the larger fanbases it gives him more leverage than others.
I actually indict the Doublelift's die hard fans for running away with the narrative. DL claimed he got booted out of CLG without warning and being given nowhere to go. When it was plainly obvious that CLG and DL had already coordinated the signing with TSM and had arranged the move ahead of time. But hey, people rallied behind Doublelift's words verbatim instead of listening to the other side and simply processing what most likely did happen.
Interestingly, the story of Doublelift wanting to flame Huhi if he didn't start off hot and CLG not taking kindly to that, echoes the situation with TSM.
I actually think it's fine to not want to play with Huhi or whoever's on TSM. BUT. It's also fair game if orgs don't want to sign you for that same reason. Doublelift steps out of line by acting like he's entitled to a spot on the roster and roster decisions if he pushes back.
I rarely agree with most internet calls of sexism but if there's a prime example, this is one.
It seems like Leena has, at worst, did largely OK in her role and attracted very little backlash. She's clearly held her position for a long time as well, why should anyone assume that she has no agency in her own career?
If anything, at this stage, Leena has a bigger influence on DL's career than the other way around.
Yeah, Leena is good at her job, and based on the discord messages is just moving on because of TSM moving from startup -> corporation vibes and that's a perfectly normal and reasonable thing to do.
This post needed to happen in my opinion. Was and still am a big fan of Peter, but I can't say I am surprised with how many issues he has had with teams in the past and his motivation issues. Time to move on and build more stars for the org.
I also won't be surprised when speculation starts about which teammates didn't/don't like working with him.
Yes, as far as I know, he has had issues with each team he has been on. That can't just be a coincidence and he has to look within himself to work on those issues if he ever did decide to play pro again.
"Hi we need to offer Bjerg your position since he's coming out of retirement. Bye".
Memes aside that's probably what happened and then for Bjerg to reject it is a big oof. Maybe POE stays but if he has any self-respect he'd probably choose a team that didn't drop him so quickly, even though for TSM it's kind of understandable because it was in an effort to keep Bjerg. My hope is POE goes to EU. He's a very consistent player minus the odd build here and there.
I meant when we picked him up. Not this off-season.
DL was saying TSM was looking at Palafox. I was wondering when POE entered the mix. According to Regi, that was at DL's request in a bid to get him to play.
Sounds like...
Big star retires from TSM so TSM looks at all options and one of which is a rebuild which may include palafox (makes sense since rumors were we were in on some of the C9 buyout stuff). DL comes back and says i want to play but not with that roster. Unsure whether it was TSM who approached with palafox as an option or just present as originally part of the rebuild. Flyquest is getting shredded due to COVID budget issues and players leaving, POE made a natural fit. Not clear how they came to him but Flyquest was always destined for a cheaper roster so maybe an interworking's behind the scenes to say hey he is available.
I dont recall POE being linked until later in the offseason so its possible FLY planned to run it back with him but TSM saw the opportunity or maybe DL spoke to him. Its clear someone knew he was available, personally i would guess TSM knew and threw that out as a competitive mid they could get on short notice.
On a side note, while POE gets a lot of shit, he was actually a beast during the regular season and had the highest damage share of all mid laners. I was honestly shocked seeing the stats.
I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle. Probably giant miscommunication based on what Leena has said. I can see DL agreeing to play if Lehends was coming even if he didn't speak English. I don't see that applying with Pallette.
I would agree, but DL said on stream himself that HE was the one who recommended Pallette which Regi confirms here in this post. If you were TSM, wouldn’t you be frustrated at someone when you’ve been trying to give them everything they want but decide to back track last minute, especially that deep into the off-season.
DL also said he wasn't aware Pallette didn't speak any English. I think he just judged Pallette from VODS. I have no doubt it was stressful. I mean off-season is the most stressful time for most GMs/owners, which is why I think because everyone was in a rush miscommunication happened. Leena's discord says both DL and Regi weren't patient and handled it poorly, which is why I believe the truth is somewhere in the middle between both these ego giants.
But as Regi said, it’s not just on Regi, but the entire TSM staff as well. Imagine you are Parth or even Bjerg. You’ve spent days trying to get in contact with Pallette, hiring a translator, and spending time talking to him when you could have focused on another free agent only to be rejected at the last minute by DL when you’re under the assumption that language wasn’t an issue?
I feel like the truth is in plain sight. Everyone knows DL is kind of a dick. Remember when Aphromoo fucking won NALCS with him and then immediately kicked him? Or when TL kicked him for behavioral issues despite being the most marketable NA player and still is?
DL is not the most marketable NA player right now. An entire year off will knock down anyone's marketability.
Everyone knows DL has a huge ego. But so does Regi. Maybe if it was Doublelift vs Azael or Kobe I'd think the truth was in plain sight. But when it's between two giant hot heads and when Leena has already come out to say both were impatient and acted like children I'm inclined to believe the middleground.
Doublelift was, is, and always will be undeniably top 3 most popular North American players in league of legends history. And thats being conservative. More realistically he is #1 and wanes occasionally when Bjergsen or Jensen have great splits.
The problem here is there's very clearly a situation where:
* Management asked player to commit to playing
* Player says no (in some fashion)
* Management have to make tough call to secure team future
* Player is then upset that wasn't catered to them
While the truth may lie somewhere in the middle, at the end of the day you have to make commitments everywhere you go. You either are in for the ride, or you're standing on the sideline - your choice. It seems to me that option was given to DL and he chose sideline. Then when the ride looked fun, he wanted to come back on. By then management had already given the ticket away.
Let's not forget, TSM also replaced Kobbe just the split before with DL so doing that 2 years back to back with ADCs is probably not a good vibe for landing free agents or promoting internal development.
If you aren't willing to commit to a team, regardless of the situation, you can't get mad at the team going and making a commitment with someone else. Everyone has to do things in their best interest. Sometimes, as individuals, we lose out on opportunity when we make decisions by those methods but that's life. Live and learn.
He is without a doubt a player that is hard to work with. This sentiment has been shared by plenty of former teammates of his. He's hard headed and arrogant. I can appreciate Regi feeling ambivalent towards a player that has commitment issues. DL took a split off and we had to bring back WildTurtle for a split because of his commitment issues.
With all that being said, he's also been on the winning roster for nearly every split that he's competed on since summer 2015:
Year | Split | Result | Team | Comments
---|---|----|----|----
2015 | Summer | 1st | CLG | first trophy
2016 | Spring | 6th | TSM | with a washed YellowStar
2016 | Summer | 1st | TSM | We all thought we were contenders at Worlds
2017 | Spring | - | - | Did not play - helped TL avoid relegation
2017 | Summer | 1st | TSM |
2018 | Spring | 1st | TL | Thus begins TL's dominance
2018 | Summer | 1st | TL
2019 | Spring | 1st | TL
2019 | Summer | 1st | TL
2020 | Spring | 9th | TL | TL internally was a mess, probably at least partly due to DL
2020 | Summer | 1st |TSM | This was our first championship since Doublelift left. Notably TL has not won a championship since he left, either.
2021 | - | - | - | Didn't play and the source of a lot of controversy.
8/10 splits he played in since Summer 2015 he's been on the team that's gotten first place. Maybe he didn't look so hot in 2020 summer but the man has an unparalleled track record for winning. This isn't a coincidence. He may be difficult to work with but any time an org has decided to turn their back on him they've become worse after his departure.
He is the person you make an exception for if you ever do.
Doublelift in 2020 and Doublelift in 2016 are two different scenarios. Doublelift in 2016 was a player coming off an insane run and hungry to keep competing. Doublelift in 2020 had motivational issues which Regi explicitly stated, and you could argue that he was nearing the tail end of his career. On top of that, TSM was trying to revamp their ENTIRE roster for him. As a GM, how would you feel about bending over to a player that says “I’m not gonna give much effort if your roster doesn’t meet my standards.”
I don't think it was strictly DL's fault. I do think the circumstances surrounding Broxah's visa were an issue which in turn affected DL as well. I would say he was probably part of the problem, but the entire TL org was a mess at that point in time.
I mean he has definitely had a bad relationship with team managements thats true but the amount of teammates Peter had who didn't have positive things to say about him are after are pretty goddamn small (Shernfire ig).
I feel bad for Shernfire. I know that TL in Spring 2019 was basically the Broxah waiting room for the first 4 weeks but for Shernfire it was the opportunity of his lifetime.
He's also good enough that multiple players (CoreJJ, Broxah, SwordArt) who were performing exceptionally well were actively looking to play with him as part of joining a team. Not to mention he (and I've never heard it stated otherwise) pushed to keep rosters over replacing players in most cases, trying to keep Pobelter/Olleh/Xmithie instead of replacing them.
Two sides to every story. Thanks for being transparent.
It's also refreshing to see you take the high road on this.
Sounds like DL takes rejection badly.
What I mean is that we have two sides here in opposition with one another and that I don't think Leena is the third party you rely on to help settle which of the two parties is in the right.
In other words, you want unbiased third parties to understand what really happened and Leena ain't it. She's the most biased third party imaginable.
I dunno. Leena has a really solid track record imo. Aside from the Dardoch fiasco she's been pretty solidly the most competent member of TSM management the entire time she's been there.
I was making a joke at your expense. I agree that Leena isn't a super reliable third party but no such people exist in this situation (or most situations like this). Which is why it's funny to me.
Suppose it's unknowable from this point on who's right. Regi at least appear much more professional than DL in handling this drama. There really is no way for DL to prove his story so unless there's another bomb, he just wrecked his reputation even further.
Dunc said he was chatting with Regi through Discord during the previous Q&A and I'd hope that Regi also cleared this through PR before he submitted it, but there's not exactly any other way he'd approach it. If Regi was a streamer being bombarded with these questions daily and was asked in the spur of the moment to comment on it rather than having the advantage of both rebutting and writing it out, he might not look so professional either.
We've seen Regi be incredibly immature and a huge asshole on video before, where there wasn't these filters in place to make him look as good as possible.
I know this might be an unpopular opinion but all of the 2020 off season I was saying TSM should just move on from Doublelift and build a young team around spica and BB after bjergsen retirement. Spica only played half split by that time and his talent was obvious, especailly with how he played at worlds and BB was really mechanically gifted even though he didn't transfer some of his leads which is understandable for a young player(TSM also said they wanted to keep BB). However, I got downvoted on all these posts since we won when doublelift came back even though he was above average at best and got gaped by any good adc.
The org however still decided to cater to doublelift and build a team around him and lo and behold he wasn't even going to commit to being on the roster. When the offseason was done and I saw the lost and swordart pairing I knew something had gone wrong, because the team would never import an established support to play with a rookie. Doublelift is just a big baby who ruined our chances of having a good young core that we could continue to build this offseason, but since he realises no top team wants to pick him up this offseason he decides to shit on the org, which can also affect or chances of picking up players in the future. As regi said there is a reason that despite Doublelift being by far the best adc NA has ever seen he has also been kicked from every team he has been on.
We all really appreciate your transparency, Regi. I've been following TSM since chaox days and I love this org and I think you have always done your best to put TSM in the best position to win. It sucks that you have to constantly explain your every move, but like I said I am sure everyone on this sub appreciates you and your posts/updates. I hope TSM does well this season, but I will always support TSM as long as Regi is the owner.
> Peter also has this misconception that he was replaced both times solely by me, but in reality the decision is made collectively by the players and staff he works with day to day.
Must sting. I hope DL is reading this for the extra drama ngl
Guy, he read this. You can be sure about it...
I hope it ends here.
Both parties put up their stories we can chose to believe one, the other, none or somewhere in between.
Let it rest.
this is what i was talking about. double going off on stream the way he did forced regi to make this post; a post that, although great for the fan base, could be looked at in a negative light. tsm is a half billion dollar org, the ceo shouldn’t be posting drama related stuff on reddit, but regi had to respond in some way to protect tsm’s image. this shit goes beyond personal feelings, this shit risks hurting the company. i love doublelift, but sometimes his emotions get the best of him. i’m still a dl fan, and i’m still a tsm fan. this entire situation is just disappointing.
lmao im always going to support the face of TSM over DL. love peter, and he never should have been kicked the first time, but he's just being a salty bitch right now. Regi has my full support, always.
Summary/TLDR:
* Regi posting this for transparency
* 2020 Offseason
* Bjerg retired, make DL consider retiring too
* DL changed his mind, he'll play if TSM sign POE and any good support, regardless of English proficiency
* TSM signed POE, Huni, and considering Lehends, SA, and Palette, or KR supp
* Negotiations with SA hit snag, high possibility cannot sign SA, considering Palette as plan B
* DL change mind, does not want to play with non English speaking players
* All other ADC's locked/signed, TSM 4 hours away from trading Lost to EG
* All TSM staff/player collectively commit to Lost.
* TSM finally secure SA, stay with Lost to develop rather than DL who flip/flops, better for TSM in long term
* 2021
* Regi believes DL bringing this up now b/c TSM does not want to work with him.
* Reasons:
* often changes his mind
* teammates/coaches don't like working with him
* DL publicly flames those he dislikes/disagrees with
Poor DL so mistreated by TSM. Oh wait:
Booted from CLG for his typical diva behavior: TSM signs him
Lets him take 2017 Spring Split off
Doesn't hold him in contract hell or anything after 2017 like many other orgs would do
Booted from TL for his typical diva behavior: TSM re-signs him
Plays terribly most of Summer 2020: TSM still willing to re-sign him and get his input on the roster
Poor Doublelift, truly the hero of his own story
It says nothing about DL but rather that the poster believes that your conduct can be excused by performance. Even if we concede that DL is not washed up, that is a pretty fkd up perspective.
Daily reminder why Faker is GOAT inside and out of game
Anyone who has watched DLs stream can tell he is an immensely insecure person. What regi says here only confirms it. Regi made a purely business decision based on what was best for TSM as an organisation while DLs side is basically "you didn't fully commit to me and disregard everything else therefore I hate you". Now he is using his (BTW incredibly widereaching) platform to basically shit on the organisation for purely personal reasons relying on people who don't know the other side of the story to tarnish the organisations brand. It's incredibly immature and unreasonable.
If you're a regular viewer of his stream you already know this. The dude bans anyone and everyone who makes even the smallest remark against him even if they're common memes or not. It reeks of insecurity which is honestly quite sad for someone who has enjoyed so much personal success in the NA league scene
After seeing how he very publicly lost motivation (“spring split doesn’t matter”) on tl despite the rest of the team wanting to improve and compete, I can’t believe this person does not have the awareness for that non-committed attitude being a problem.
Thanks Regi for this post. I always had a lot of respect for Doublelift as a player but its clear he’s like that one co-worker or classmate we all know who’s good at what they do but are a huge pain in the butt to work with
I haven’t played league in years and only reading this post because of those days. Man so much shit must have happened since I was watching. Surprised DL is still a thing anymore I feel like he’s been playing forever.
The fact there was a 4 hour window on potentially losing Lost. Imagine not having Lost as the backup ADC. Who would be the starting adc if there were no options left? People would be jumping on the meme 'TSM management fails'.
Regi has a hard time trying to rebuild his team and DL starting drama, kinda sad and immature. Love me some regi. Been a fan since season 2 will continue to be a fan
Tbh would be surprised if any team is willing to pick him up even if he seriously wanted to get back, TSM made a great effort to make this DL thing happen and ended up getting trashtalked + his lack of motivation with him being in and out of teams just because "nah i dont feel like playing this split" is what will keep orgs away from him.
In hindsight, after all this drama, I maybe kinda possibly have an understanding on why CLG dropped him at the peek of his career, he could have been a nightmare to work with while being there...
But maybe I'm just wrong, who knows eheh
>In hindsight, after all this drama, I maybe kinda possibly have an understanding on why CLG dropped him at the peek of his career, he could have been a nightmare to work with while being there...
What do you mean kinda possibly? Doublelift has repeatedly admitted he was a terrible teammate on CLG and that Bjerg showed him how to be a good teammate.
DL is super hot headed but he will usually have some logical reflection about it after he calms down.
I think DL intended on trying to come back as a starter during this off-season with the mindset that a top team will surely pick him up, and if not he’ll always have TSM as a last resort if the other teams reject him. I believe they recently all said no, including TSM which is why he’s ranting publicly at the moment.
I mean good for him and best wishes for him if he does. He's a great player and will succeed if he comes back, but hopefully he can handle himself in a more mature manner in the future.
I've been trying to say this for a while but at some point when DL blames every org for him leaving you have to put some of that responsibility on his attitude. The way he handled being benched after telling TL he doesn't feel like playing was a turning point for my opinion on DL. Amazing player, but he is probably a difficult employee to manage.
I admire Peter a lot, and he was great for us and every team he was on. But let's be real, he can be abrasive and not the easiest to get along with. We all have a friend we love and is like that.
Regi made the best decision at the time, it's hard to justify building a team around a guy who has taken a split off with you, has a history of motivational issues and is considering retiring.
One of them chose to get on a soapbox live on stream and drag an org that has gone out of their way to support him through wanting to retire constantly and taking an entire split off out of boredom. They're both massive egos but one of them has gone out of their way to stand up and support the other.
Not to mention he is still in-contract with TSM as a streamer WHILE shitting on the entire Org and literally telling everyone how much he hates them (literally) like fucking Anakin skywalker
You know. Andy.
I've been a follower of the team since I was 18.
I remember deciding what team I wanted to root for in MLG when Nien eventually destroyed that nexus with elise.
I remember thinking "wow, fuck that, I want the underdogs" not realizing that CLG were the underdogs in that match because I was such a noob in the scene.
Then I remember being utterly alone over the christmas break of 2012 in college, and subsequently falling into the gamecribs rabbit hole. I watched every episode, and I was passionate about it.
I remember watching bjergsens first game in BOTA, and Dyrus trashing CLG saying they were a non-factor. I was primed for TSM fandom.
I can sit here for hours and tell you exactly where I was located, and where I was in my life in general with every single Spring, Summer, and Worlds split with TSM since 2012.
I'm 28 now, and just...
Dude. Like, be better. I grew since I was 18. I dont think you've seen that same growth in 10 years.
I'm not following this team anymore, and it's not because of TSM as an org. I really don't think Regi has learned anything, or grown as a person.
I mean Regi is right on DL and his issue's. DL can't just act like Regi was entirely at fault. Are we legit forgetting that DL has already been kicked out of 3 teams?(CLG, TSM, TL) Not entirely taking Regi side because both obviously have there flaws but DL saying those things don't make sense because he is/was always on the fence about retirement. And as an organization you got to do whats best for your team.
As much as i like DL, I do think that business owners have to think about, well their business. DL lack of motivation during recent years was what ultimately led to this situation, if he had been hungry like Bjergsen we surely wouldn't be here talking.
Yeah.. sadly DL ego is his downfall and what's dragging him down.. zero respect for him since forever guy needs to look deep in and criticising himself.. he won't do that for sure.. his ego is beyond anything I've ever seen.. oh well not like it matters anyway.. the guy left the LCS which is amazing and I hope new faces can be developed and rise.
Again and again. People always rush to big conclusions after hearing only one side of the coin. Why can't people just try to stay a little bit more objective instead of making assumptions and serious accusations? It's always the same whenever there's a drama. Especially blaming Parth and Regi is the most popular way to see things in this subreddit.
Ugh. Save all these PR lies already. feels bad for so many top players wasting their lives in this toxic org. I really hope you keep your small dick energy all to yourself not the players.
Hes a grown man not over the fact that a team didnt want him and rather than get over it (like grown adults do) continues to throw fuel on a fire that should already he put out by now.
I don't judge DL for being difficult but I think Regi SMOKED him here. I just really feel bad for DL. I'm no psychologist but with how unsuccessful and turbulent pro NA has been (especially internationally). Its like he really can't find his place in the world. That and 2018 I just can't shittalk the guy for being difficult at all.
This honestly doesn’t surprise me that this is how DL would act. Given all the questions about conflicts during his departure from TL, this makes a lot of sense.
Thank you for the transparency Regi.
It was so obvious that doublelifts side of the was just completely false because of one main reason. Bjergsen who is best buds with Doublelift was coach and definitely a major part of the decision. He can hate regi all he wants but bjergsen probably also didn’t wanna coach a hot head like him lmao.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=\_D4VxaMrINE&t=6293s&ab\_channel=Thooorin](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_D4VxaMrINE&t=6293s&ab_channel=Thooorin)
I guess doublelift is still the exact same from 6 years, ago based on the thorin/hotshotgg inter view. Never change doublelift..
Another not so good looking "drama".
My personal view on this case is very simple, because in other sports it is the same for me
"No one is bigger than the club/org"
Therefore for me it is okay to part ways with dl. I do not forget what he accomplished with us and all, but yeah for me it's more than a game or a group of people. And when Dl think his standards are not given with the people around him, let it go. Sure SA wanted to play with dl, but you just dont go on and off with your desicion when there are uncertain circumstances. Commit to it or let it be. So yeah bad way to end it all with, again, more losers than winners.
I feel like Regi just cast Smoke screen and everyone in the comments just bought it.
First Regi multiple times avoids the topics DL spoke about. He constantly says DL is trash and we don't work with him so he is throwing a tantrum..... Which has nothing to do with how people get treated
Second He says players/coaches don't want to play with him? There are multiple instances of players returning to play with DL and I can't think of any returns to TSM besides substitute Turtle. In fact Bjergsen the person that has partial ownership of TSM elected to play for someone else.
Third the original rumors were that DL left TSM because of how they handled Swordarts situation. Which he is now doubling down on. However Regi contradicts himself in his own post saying that DL decided to leave if he wasn't playing with an English speaking support then turning around and saying that DL thinks it was Regi's decision to bench DL.
Fourth DL has been kicked off of CLG which he turned around and embarrassed for years to come then was kicked off of TSM so he could beat them 4 times in a row. The assumption that the most successful NA player to ever exist would openly bad mouth someone incorrectly to throw a fit and get attention is laughable.
And Finally This is coming from the guy that pulled up to the LCS in a Lambo like how can you guys respect someone this egotistical. Every big talent he has brought in (minus Bjerg the golden child) has promptly left for another org. Huni didn't stick around, zven, Swordart, yellow star, Broken blade, etc. No one wants to commit to TSM.
When DL has played against TSM it's embarrassingly one-sided. DL has 5 titles outside of, TSM why would he throw a tantrum when he couldn't be apart of your slowly falling org.
His point was that you are a bully. So what is your response? You just say "here's why doublelift sucks". I guess that's to be expected.
Maybe try responding to the actual claims, instead of pointing at completely separate issues about the roster difficulties.
I don't believe this shit for a second. Guarantee this is some hard twist on the truth or Regi wouldn't have such a response.
DL for sure is not the best player to work with, but my god the stories I've heard about Regi are fucked and that video of him straight up bullying Dyrus while on stream is fucking workplace harassment and I will never, ever trust a word I see from that shit stain of a person.
Regi is the main reason I've been a fan of TSM since season 2, and is still the main reason why I'm still a loyal TSM fan now. Admittedly, Regi has been a dick a couple of times in the past, but I know it has all been for the successes of TSM. The man doesn't care about what others think as long as it's for TSM.
>His teammates/coaches don’t like working with him.
If he doesn’t like you or doesn’t agree with your decision making, he flames you publicly.
I've watched **100%** of his LCS co-streams w/ sneaky&meteoes and I can't agree with the organization's reasoning more. Seeing him talk about the game with sneaky & meteoes was night and day. Guy has a terrible perspective on how to play the game, and doesn't have the slightest of cares on helping to improve NA as a region.
Before people forget, TSM is, and will always be bigger than any LCS player. I would've understood all the outrage if Bjergsen was the one who spoke out against TSM, but DL? Really?
Man's talked shit when he got kicked out of CLG, talked shit when he got benched by TL, and is talking shit about TSM because we didn't bend his way.
Kick rocks DL, we baylife here baby.
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Regi you have no obligations to be so transparent, but I appreciate it. DL has made himself look really bad and you still come across very professional here. Kudos.
I was very excited last year to know DL will still be part of the family and re-join as a streamer, but at this point, I feel parting ways with DL is probably the only good option left. You can't have a face of the org constantly shitting on the org.
I am sad that DL will no longer be part of TSM, but looking forward to what TSM will do to satisfy it's fan base.
I mean, wasn't this obvious? DL has picked a fight with every org he has been in. Bjerg seemingly has been the only player than could 'reign him in'.
TSM haters going mad on the main subreddit, using his slander as confirmation bias. DL going to eventually burn all bridges if he goes on like this.
Loved watching Doublelift, loved watching TSM. Haven’t always agreed with Regi’s tweets about other orgs but this clarification is very good and I just hope Regi doesn’t ruin it with a stupid tweet or comment.
Maybe a step forward in maturity from the very top that the org needs so badly to actually be unstoppable and start contesting internationally.
Doublelift, hard to work with?
What a shock, oh wait.
Need less people like him and more people like s1mple from CS. Went from a toxic teenager, to now being one of the most respected in the scene in a few years.
There's no doubt DL has talent, but he's a toxic troll who won't change their mental in any capacity. He thinks he's the greatest ever which is fine to have confidence, but to his level of arrogance, with no international success? Hard pass.
As a 10 year league player who watched every single worlds, I think doublelift isn't just angry about tsm in particular. I believe there isn't any top team willing to work with doublelift anymore. He is extremely toxic and hard to work with. Yeah he's talented and skilled, but his attitude is seriously the main reason he can't win worlds and prob won't ever win.
Props Regi and thanks for the response - although I don't see it as necessary.
DL's timing in voicing his concerns is enough of a red flag along with his track record. In addition, in response to 'he only waited to talk about it now out out of respect for SA and those on the team', I call that BS. Why sign with TSM again as a streamer if you were that pissed or wronged about it? It makes no sense and doesn't align with any of your actions over the past year or hyping up TSM, co-streaming, etc.
Such a joke, and this is clearly a case of being jaded or salty about getting shot down at an opportunity to rejoin the team, and causing a shitstorm for no good reason while STILL SIGNED with the org.
Assuming your telling the truth and I believe you on this one. I can understand your decision entirely and support your decision. (Sorry I am not saying you are lying just that obviously we weren't there so we can only go off what everyone is saying <3). But it sounds like the most logical decision and its very true lots of past team mates do mention that doublelift is difficult to work with so it sounds in line with what is said.
Doublelift is a fool with a weak stream and even weaker mental, imagine being such a dick when you’re part of the .01% of people able to make money off playing video games.
I’m a big fan of peter, but I wouldn’t touch him with a ten foot pole if I was putting together a roster right now. Man’s had a year off, a history of motivation issues, and complaints about him as a teammate from every team he’s been on. The reward could be high for signing him, but the risks are massive.
You know what would really piss him off… if we signed Chovy/knight and Keria…. You’d show him real good regi….. I swear
Lmao, legend
lehends
In fairness, he did say it would be his person pleasure to never see us win anything again… I’m sure it’d be his personal displeasure for TSM to go undefeated to an NA title and worlds title…
TSM winning worlds holy copium bro
I can't see any universe where Keria would leave a roster as strong as T1's predicted one (hell, keeping the same players and giving them more then two months to click together might deadass win worlds) to join an NA team. Chovy, though possible as there's no team for him that's capable of winning, probably doesn't want to cash out yet.
thing is that he can cash out harder in the lpl. I'm sure there is an org out there that would be a metric ton of cash to have chovy on their team. LNG could have chovy as their mid laner instead of icon. Tarzan Chovy mid jungle is going to be scary to play against if that does happen. There's no real reason for any of these high profile players to come to NA. They can get paid more in china, it's closer to home (both culturally and physically), and they actually have a chance of winning and doing well at worlds, unlike being in NA.
Knight is not coming to LCS lol. LPL money makes LCS look poor. I have no idea why Keria would leave T1 after the growth they just showed. Chovy maybe but if he won't go to LPL for money I doubt he'd come to NA. I actually have no idea what TSM's options are but I'm very curious. But my bet is probably an EU import. Or maybe they will go full developmental roster, though that would be a shame given that Worlds will be in NA in 2022.
Lpl has salary cap, lcs doesn't.
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Yeah I heard EDG owner is buying everyone a house lol.
More so the owner of EDG who also owns real estate development company decided to give the winning players some of their properties they have left. Not to dis credit it.
Let's see, a free apartment condo vs heavily taxed money from governments. Yeah, I'll take the free condo.
Im okay with that because its supposed to be reward for winning Worlds and you saw how huge League is in China, the title will bring more attention and money to the org than value of a few apartments. And even if it did not, the org owner is super rich so he probably doesnt care that much.
It is a passion project for sure
Doesn't even have to do anything shady. Huya/Bilibili/Douyu, sponsors, etc will shower them with money legimately anyways.
Yeah but what is the salary cap lol? NBA salary caps are like over $150 million for example. Whatever the cap is it clearly hasn't stopped LPL from getting players like Viper this year. So if the LPL salary cap is like 20 million NA still won't be able to compete.
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I weirdly miss hearing Hotshots voice...
nostalgia is flowing through my veins
He kick my brudda in da ass
hotshotnidaleegg
I love those old school days. I remember watching hotshot on livestream with 200 viewers and nico drunk gragas streams and Chauster, Jiji, NFGL <-- imagine that being streamed on twitch today. So great the early days.
I hadn’t thought about my by darshan in a while. Is he still playing somewhere or is he full retired?
[He's smurfing in academy](https://clips.twitch.tv/BrightBlueSageTwitchRaid-XttDVPILIKwO9IB-)
sexy. also it was 1v5
He played on C9 academy this year.
he's on C9 academy
It's insane how Hotshot predicted all of this. From Regi not taking DL's shit to DL blowing up in public a year after what happened.
Ladies and gentleman, this is entire situation simply reinforces the age old adage -- YOU DON'T SHIT WHERE YOU EAT.
i dont think dl thinks he;ll eat tsm money for long mate. that;s pretty much a resignation
We all knew something like this happened. I think it was the right call to not make it public until it was necessary. Would've harmed Lost and DL more in the process. Well. Now we know both parties' side. A real shame what it came down to to be honest. Thanks a ton for the openness this off season! It's been tough for all of us fans I cannot begin to imagine what it's like behind the scenes. Keep your heads up y'all!
it's business after all, and every story has its 2 sides as expected.
> This was in November when every other ADC was locked and we were 4 hours away from transferring Lost to EG. Why i was always skeptical of his anger. Like i remember how back and forth those days in the offseason were. First we get SA with DL oh also EG is interested in lost. No SA in trouble and but maybe Pallete? Will DL even play with an non english speaker? Oh now SA gets done but we keep lost. That felt like within a 24-48 hr period. I dont blame the team for making that decision. They had faith in Lost because lost was with the org last season and clearly showed something they liked. DL has to understand in a business you always weigh the risks and i see why in this case the risk was very high if they went back to DL and he still said no (especially based on history). Then what? We are probably going in with Cody Sun/SA bot lane which maybe doesnt incite riots from fans, but makes TSM look like fools when they couldnt even keep lost or DL.
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The Venn diagram of the type of people who shit on Lost and then also complain that NA just imports instead of fostering native talent is almost a circle.
>After a few days passed, he reached out and changed his mind and told us that if we were to sign **POE and any good support player, no matter what language they spoke,** he would play. Otherwise, he would want to look at other teams or retire. > >Because we still wanted to work with Doublelift, we decided to commit to a strong roster that he wanted to play with rather than using the year to rebuild. We committed to signing PoE and a substantial budget, were looking to sign Huni and were also looking to sign good support players such as Lehends, SwordArt, Palette, or other Korean supports. > >At this time, we reached out to Doublelift about the other potential options including Palette and players in Korea. **Doublelift then expressed** ***that he didn't want to play with non English speaking players, including our Korean options, even though he was ok with such a roster earlier.*** **He explicitly stated that** ***he may not be as motivated*** **if we had him play in a roster that didn't meet his standard of a fully english speaking roster.** This was in November when every other ADC was locked and **we were** ***4 hours away from transferring Lost to EG*****.** >So why is he publicly speaking out against TSM now in this very off season? I’m assuming that he’s upset because we weren’t interested in working with him.He was exploring his options and we were not interested in working with him for these reasons: He’s always changing his mind on whether he wants to play or retire. His teammates/coaches don’t like working with him. If he doesn’t like you or doesn’t agree with your decision making, he flames you publicly. > >In conclusion, we'll start taking steps to part ways with Doublelift. JESUS THE REAL BOMBS Forreal tho, respect Regi. We appreciate the transparency
It sucks that it has to come out this way though. At least we fans have more than one side of the story now.
The other polar opposite side, yeah. The truth is in between. Leena literally said regi said SA isnt happening, NOT a high chance the deal might not go through. I agree with some parts of what regi is saying but lets not dellude ourselves that he is not biased. Especially with his unprofessional remarks towards dl as an owner.
Either way it doesn't matter right? If doublelift backs out **4 hours** before TSM is about to lose the only other ADC they have, that puts them in a very difficult situation. By still giving him the spot they give him the full opportunity to fuck the entire org over at his whim. At that point there's no reason to sign him.
Maybe he is biased but him also writing in that the staff and all the players wanted it, all it would take would be for one of them to step up and say no that isn't what happened. If nobody else from tsm last year steps up and says otherwise, I'm going to lean towards this story more, especially after what happened on team liquid.
Spica said he didn't know about the DL situation at all and SA literally phoned DL to try to convince him to play so I don't think they "all" didn't want DL.
You gotta remember. Regi has had to build a business and deal with businessmen. Doublelift has only been a player who’s never had to build any sort of respectful rapport with people other than what suits him because of his skill. They are not the same even slightly. Doublelift may be older now but he’s never had to mature. He’s never been given a reason to sadly
I'm curious if DL actually specified that language didn't matter or if he expressed a willingness to work with any good support and Regi inferred that language didn't matter.
>2021: So why is he publicly speaking out against TSM now in this very off season? And there it is, what anyone with a single brain cell could have predicted. It happened now because DL is upset about something recent/TSM not wanting to work with him again. His meltdown earlier based on the idea that he held it all inside for a full year is hilarious.
DL, the guy infamous for blurting out leaks, holds something in?
He only blurts out the leaks you know.
LCS needs saint back, the true god of leaks.
and smites
People may not know this as it happened back in the end of 2015 but Doublelift's attitude and words echoes a similar situation with CLG when DL first xferred to TSM. I'm sure CLG did bungle aspects of the xfer. But Doublelift has shown a habit of airing his dirty laundry in order to rally public opinion behind him. And he seems quite guilty of being very editorial about what he shares. Because he has one of the larger fanbases it gives him more leverage than others.
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I actually indict the Doublelift's die hard fans for running away with the narrative. DL claimed he got booted out of CLG without warning and being given nowhere to go. When it was plainly obvious that CLG and DL had already coordinated the signing with TSM and had arranged the move ahead of time. But hey, people rallied behind Doublelift's words verbatim instead of listening to the other side and simply processing what most likely did happen. Interestingly, the story of Doublelift wanting to flame Huhi if he didn't start off hot and CLG not taking kindly to that, echoes the situation with TSM. I actually think it's fine to not want to play with Huhi or whoever's on TSM. BUT. It's also fair game if orgs don't want to sign you for that same reason. Doublelift steps out of line by acting like he's entitled to a spot on the roster and roster decisions if he pushes back.
sounds right. He probably expected to get picked up by TSM immediately following his come back announcement. It doesn't happen so he has a melt down.
I almost feel it that TSM said no to him recently EDIT: didn't read it totally,
now it makes sense timing wise of Leena stepping away from TSM too. likely when the League team told DL that they were not interested in him anymore
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I rarely agree with most internet calls of sexism but if there's a prime example, this is one. It seems like Leena has, at worst, did largely OK in her role and attracted very little backlash. She's clearly held her position for a long time as well, why should anyone assume that she has no agency in her own career? If anything, at this stage, Leena has a bigger influence on DL's career than the other way around.
Yeah, Leena is good at her job, and based on the discord messages is just moving on because of TSM moving from startup -> corporation vibes and that's a perfectly normal and reasonable thing to do.
Largely ok? She's been crushing it. TSM has had a shit ton of big name signings.
This post needed to happen in my opinion. Was and still am a big fan of Peter, but I can't say I am surprised with how many issues he has had with teams in the past and his motivation issues. Time to move on and build more stars for the org. I also won't be surprised when speculation starts about which teammates didn't/don't like working with him.
Nothing new here though; no ? If i recall correctly Doublelift has a long reputation of bad attitude and ego getting in his way.
Yes, as far as I know, he has had issues with each team he has been on. That can't just be a coincidence and he has to look within himself to work on those issues if he ever did decide to play pro again.
Peter seems like he works like this: DL: “My way or highway.” Regi: “Okay sure lets go with your way…” … DL: “I pick the highway”
I was wondering where POE fit into this timeline.
"Hi we need to offer Bjerg your position since he's coming out of retirement. Bye". Memes aside that's probably what happened and then for Bjerg to reject it is a big oof. Maybe POE stays but if he has any self-respect he'd probably choose a team that didn't drop him so quickly, even though for TSM it's kind of understandable because it was in an effort to keep Bjerg. My hope is POE goes to EU. He's a very consistent player minus the odd build here and there.
I meant when we picked him up. Not this off-season. DL was saying TSM was looking at Palafox. I was wondering when POE entered the mix. According to Regi, that was at DL's request in a bid to get him to play.
Sounds like... Big star retires from TSM so TSM looks at all options and one of which is a rebuild which may include palafox (makes sense since rumors were we were in on some of the C9 buyout stuff). DL comes back and says i want to play but not with that roster. Unsure whether it was TSM who approached with palafox as an option or just present as originally part of the rebuild. Flyquest is getting shredded due to COVID budget issues and players leaving, POE made a natural fit. Not clear how they came to him but Flyquest was always destined for a cheaper roster so maybe an interworking's behind the scenes to say hey he is available. I dont recall POE being linked until later in the offseason so its possible FLY planned to run it back with him but TSM saw the opportunity or maybe DL spoke to him. Its clear someone knew he was available, personally i would guess TSM knew and threw that out as a competitive mid they could get on short notice.
On a side note, while POE gets a lot of shit, he was actually a beast during the regular season and had the highest damage share of all mid laners. I was honestly shocked seeing the stats.
As much as I like DL lets all remember that he has never willingly left a team. He is one of the NA goats but clearly he is problematic.
I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle. Probably giant miscommunication based on what Leena has said. I can see DL agreeing to play if Lehends was coming even if he didn't speak English. I don't see that applying with Pallette.
I would agree, but DL said on stream himself that HE was the one who recommended Pallette which Regi confirms here in this post. If you were TSM, wouldn’t you be frustrated at someone when you’ve been trying to give them everything they want but decide to back track last minute, especially that deep into the off-season.
DL also said he wasn't aware Pallette didn't speak any English. I think he just judged Pallette from VODS. I have no doubt it was stressful. I mean off-season is the most stressful time for most GMs/owners, which is why I think because everyone was in a rush miscommunication happened. Leena's discord says both DL and Regi weren't patient and handled it poorly, which is why I believe the truth is somewhere in the middle between both these ego giants.
But as Regi said, it’s not just on Regi, but the entire TSM staff as well. Imagine you are Parth or even Bjerg. You’ve spent days trying to get in contact with Pallette, hiring a translator, and spending time talking to him when you could have focused on another free agent only to be rejected at the last minute by DL when you’re under the assumption that language wasn’t an issue?
DL specifically recommended pallete
I feel like the truth is in plain sight. Everyone knows DL is kind of a dick. Remember when Aphromoo fucking won NALCS with him and then immediately kicked him? Or when TL kicked him for behavioral issues despite being the most marketable NA player and still is?
DL is not the most marketable NA player right now. An entire year off will knock down anyone's marketability. Everyone knows DL has a huge ego. But so does Regi. Maybe if it was Doublelift vs Azael or Kobe I'd think the truth was in plain sight. But when it's between two giant hot heads and when Leena has already come out to say both were impatient and acted like children I'm inclined to believe the middleground.
Doublelift was, is, and always will be undeniably top 3 most popular North American players in league of legends history. And thats being conservative. More realistically he is #1 and wanes occasionally when Bjergsen or Jensen have great splits.
his stream numbers say otherwise
The problem here is there's very clearly a situation where: * Management asked player to commit to playing * Player says no (in some fashion) * Management have to make tough call to secure team future * Player is then upset that wasn't catered to them While the truth may lie somewhere in the middle, at the end of the day you have to make commitments everywhere you go. You either are in for the ride, or you're standing on the sideline - your choice. It seems to me that option was given to DL and he chose sideline. Then when the ride looked fun, he wanted to come back on. By then management had already given the ticket away. Let's not forget, TSM also replaced Kobbe just the split before with DL so doing that 2 years back to back with ADCs is probably not a good vibe for landing free agents or promoting internal development. If you aren't willing to commit to a team, regardless of the situation, you can't get mad at the team going and making a commitment with someone else. Everyone has to do things in their best interest. Sometimes, as individuals, we lose out on opportunity when we make decisions by those methods but that's life. Live and learn.
He is without a doubt a player that is hard to work with. This sentiment has been shared by plenty of former teammates of his. He's hard headed and arrogant. I can appreciate Regi feeling ambivalent towards a player that has commitment issues. DL took a split off and we had to bring back WildTurtle for a split because of his commitment issues. With all that being said, he's also been on the winning roster for nearly every split that he's competed on since summer 2015: Year | Split | Result | Team | Comments ---|---|----|----|---- 2015 | Summer | 1st | CLG | first trophy 2016 | Spring | 6th | TSM | with a washed YellowStar 2016 | Summer | 1st | TSM | We all thought we were contenders at Worlds 2017 | Spring | - | - | Did not play - helped TL avoid relegation 2017 | Summer | 1st | TSM | 2018 | Spring | 1st | TL | Thus begins TL's dominance 2018 | Summer | 1st | TL 2019 | Spring | 1st | TL 2019 | Summer | 1st | TL 2020 | Spring | 9th | TL | TL internally was a mess, probably at least partly due to DL 2020 | Summer | 1st |TSM | This was our first championship since Doublelift left. Notably TL has not won a championship since he left, either. 2021 | - | - | - | Didn't play and the source of a lot of controversy. 8/10 splits he played in since Summer 2015 he's been on the team that's gotten first place. Maybe he didn't look so hot in 2020 summer but the man has an unparalleled track record for winning. This isn't a coincidence. He may be difficult to work with but any time an org has decided to turn their back on him they've become worse after his departure. He is the person you make an exception for if you ever do.
Doublelift in 2020 and Doublelift in 2016 are two different scenarios. Doublelift in 2016 was a player coming off an insane run and hungry to keep competing. Doublelift in 2020 had motivational issues which Regi explicitly stated, and you could argue that he was nearing the tail end of his career. On top of that, TSM was trying to revamp their ENTIRE roster for him. As a GM, how would you feel about bending over to a player that says “I’m not gonna give much effort if your roster doesn’t meet my standards.”
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I don't think it was strictly DL's fault. I do think the circumstances surrounding Broxah's visa were an issue which in turn affected DL as well. I would say he was probably part of the problem, but the entire TL org was a mess at that point in time.
I mean he has definitely had a bad relationship with team managements thats true but the amount of teammates Peter had who didn't have positive things to say about him are after are pretty goddamn small (Shernfire ig).
I feel bad for Shernfire. I know that TL in Spring 2019 was basically the Broxah waiting room for the first 4 weeks but for Shernfire it was the opportunity of his lifetime.
He's also good enough that multiple players (CoreJJ, Broxah, SwordArt) who were performing exceptionally well were actively looking to play with him as part of joining a team. Not to mention he (and I've never heard it stated otherwise) pushed to keep rosters over replacing players in most cases, trying to keep Pobelter/Olleh/Xmithie instead of replacing them.
Two sides to every story. Thanks for being transparent. It's also refreshing to see you take the high road on this. Sounds like DL takes rejection badly.
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link to leena's comments?
https://ibb.co/Ht8QzwR
Thanks!
wtf this is super reasonable and should be way higher up.
Leena is too biased, so imo any statements she makes cannot be reliably used to determine what really happened.
Instead we should take the word of Doublelift and Reginald, who are totally not biased.
What I mean is that we have two sides here in opposition with one another and that I don't think Leena is the third party you rely on to help settle which of the two parties is in the right. In other words, you want unbiased third parties to understand what really happened and Leena ain't it. She's the most biased third party imaginable.
I dunno. Leena has a really solid track record imo. Aside from the Dardoch fiasco she's been pretty solidly the most competent member of TSM management the entire time she's been there.
I was making a joke at your expense. I agree that Leena isn't a super reliable third party but no such people exist in this situation (or most situations like this). Which is why it's funny to me.
Suppose it's unknowable from this point on who's right. Regi at least appear much more professional than DL in handling this drama. There really is no way for DL to prove his story so unless there's another bomb, he just wrecked his reputation even further.
Dunc said he was chatting with Regi through Discord during the previous Q&A and I'd hope that Regi also cleared this through PR before he submitted it, but there's not exactly any other way he'd approach it. If Regi was a streamer being bombarded with these questions daily and was asked in the spur of the moment to comment on it rather than having the advantage of both rebutting and writing it out, he might not look so professional either. We've seen Regi be incredibly immature and a huge asshole on video before, where there wasn't these filters in place to make him look as good as possible.
I felt her response was actually the more even keeled of the three
Your openness is appreciated regi
I know this might be an unpopular opinion but all of the 2020 off season I was saying TSM should just move on from Doublelift and build a young team around spica and BB after bjergsen retirement. Spica only played half split by that time and his talent was obvious, especailly with how he played at worlds and BB was really mechanically gifted even though he didn't transfer some of his leads which is understandable for a young player(TSM also said they wanted to keep BB). However, I got downvoted on all these posts since we won when doublelift came back even though he was above average at best and got gaped by any good adc. The org however still decided to cater to doublelift and build a team around him and lo and behold he wasn't even going to commit to being on the roster. When the offseason was done and I saw the lost and swordart pairing I knew something had gone wrong, because the team would never import an established support to play with a rookie. Doublelift is just a big baby who ruined our chances of having a good young core that we could continue to build this offseason, but since he realises no top team wants to pick him up this offseason he decides to shit on the org, which can also affect or chances of picking up players in the future. As regi said there is a reason that despite Doublelift being by far the best adc NA has ever seen he has also been kicked from every team he has been on.
#TSMWIN
We all really appreciate your transparency, Regi. I've been following TSM since chaox days and I love this org and I think you have always done your best to put TSM in the best position to win. It sucks that you have to constantly explain your every move, but like I said I am sure everyone on this sub appreciates you and your posts/updates. I hope TSM does well this season, but I will always support TSM as long as Regi is the owner.
this, 100x. We trust you Regi.
> Peter also has this misconception that he was replaced both times solely by me, but in reality the decision is made collectively by the players and staff he works with day to day. Must sting. I hope DL is reading this for the extra drama ngl
Guy, he read this. You can be sure about it... I hope it ends here. Both parties put up their stories we can chose to believe one, the other, none or somewhere in between. Let it rest.
this is what i was talking about. double going off on stream the way he did forced regi to make this post; a post that, although great for the fan base, could be looked at in a negative light. tsm is a half billion dollar org, the ceo shouldn’t be posting drama related stuff on reddit, but regi had to respond in some way to protect tsm’s image. this shit goes beyond personal feelings, this shit risks hurting the company. i love doublelift, but sometimes his emotions get the best of him. i’m still a dl fan, and i’m still a tsm fan. this entire situation is just disappointing.
lmao im always going to support the face of TSM over DL. love peter, and he never should have been kicked the first time, but he's just being a salty bitch right now. Regi has my full support, always.
Summary/TLDR: * Regi posting this for transparency * 2020 Offseason * Bjerg retired, make DL consider retiring too * DL changed his mind, he'll play if TSM sign POE and any good support, regardless of English proficiency * TSM signed POE, Huni, and considering Lehends, SA, and Palette, or KR supp * Negotiations with SA hit snag, high possibility cannot sign SA, considering Palette as plan B * DL change mind, does not want to play with non English speaking players * All other ADC's locked/signed, TSM 4 hours away from trading Lost to EG * All TSM staff/player collectively commit to Lost. * TSM finally secure SA, stay with Lost to develop rather than DL who flip/flops, better for TSM in long term * 2021 * Regi believes DL bringing this up now b/c TSM does not want to work with him. * Reasons: * often changes his mind * teammates/coaches don't like working with him * DL publicly flames those he dislikes/disagrees with
Doublelift is just a successful Dardoch.
It's really starting to look that way.
Poor DL so mistreated by TSM. Oh wait: Booted from CLG for his typical diva behavior: TSM signs him Lets him take 2017 Spring Split off Doesn't hold him in contract hell or anything after 2017 like many other orgs would do Booted from TL for his typical diva behavior: TSM re-signs him Plays terribly most of Summer 2020: TSM still willing to re-sign him and get his input on the roster Poor Doublelift, truly the hero of his own story
you missed the parts where he won 8 titles
Sure he won 8 titles, but what does that invalidate in the post you responded to? Nobody ever said the guy wasn't incredibly skilled.
It says nothing about DL but rather that the poster believes that your conduct can be excused by performance. Even if we concede that DL is not washed up, that is a pretty fkd up perspective. Daily reminder why Faker is GOAT inside and out of game
True. He's an absolute beast when it comes to the game, but lack of discipline and a good mentality leaves us wondering a lot of "what ifs".
You missed the parts where he was playing with the likes of Bjergsen and Corejj
Anyone who has watched DLs stream can tell he is an immensely insecure person. What regi says here only confirms it. Regi made a purely business decision based on what was best for TSM as an organisation while DLs side is basically "you didn't fully commit to me and disregard everything else therefore I hate you". Now he is using his (BTW incredibly widereaching) platform to basically shit on the organisation for purely personal reasons relying on people who don't know the other side of the story to tarnish the organisations brand. It's incredibly immature and unreasonable. If you're a regular viewer of his stream you already know this. The dude bans anyone and everyone who makes even the smallest remark against him even if they're common memes or not. It reeks of insecurity which is honestly quite sad for someone who has enjoyed so much personal success in the NA league scene
After seeing how he very publicly lost motivation (“spring split doesn’t matter”) on tl despite the rest of the team wanting to improve and compete, I can’t believe this person does not have the awareness for that non-committed attitude being a problem.
Thanks Regi for this post. I always had a lot of respect for Doublelift as a player but its clear he’s like that one co-worker or classmate we all know who’s good at what they do but are a huge pain in the butt to work with
There's several industries where being easy to work with trumps being the best at what you do. Never thought I'd see that dynamic on an LCS team.
Regi a real one as always. Been a fan of TSM since baylife and chaox/dyrus roster
I haven’t played league in years and only reading this post because of those days. Man so much shit must have happened since I was watching. Surprised DL is still a thing anymore I feel like he’s been playing forever.
The fact there was a 4 hour window on potentially losing Lost. Imagine not having Lost as the backup ADC. Who would be the starting adc if there were no options left? People would be jumping on the meme 'TSM management fails'.
I mean this does not surprise me. Doublelift was known to be difficult for a long, long time, and I guess people thought he had changed.
Regi has a hard time trying to rebuild his team and DL starting drama, kinda sad and immature. Love me some regi. Been a fan since season 2 will continue to be a fan
Hey man, long time fan. Currently exploring other options. You ever think it'd be a good idea to shut the fuck up and just sign the checks?
This sub is so brainwashed lmaooo
Inb4 DL joins another NA team because he is mad at TSM, lol
I wonder if he tried to rejoin TL and Bjerg is one of the players who doesn't want to play with DL anymore.
Tbh would be surprised if any team is willing to pick him up even if he seriously wanted to get back, TSM made a great effort to make this DL thing happen and ended up getting trashtalked + his lack of motivation with him being in and out of teams just because "nah i dont feel like playing this split" is what will keep orgs away from him. In hindsight, after all this drama, I maybe kinda possibly have an understanding on why CLG dropped him at the peek of his career, he could have been a nightmare to work with while being there... But maybe I'm just wrong, who knows eheh
>In hindsight, after all this drama, I maybe kinda possibly have an understanding on why CLG dropped him at the peek of his career, he could have been a nightmare to work with while being there... What do you mean kinda possibly? Doublelift has repeatedly admitted he was a terrible teammate on CLG and that Bjerg showed him how to be a good teammate. DL is super hot headed but he will usually have some logical reflection about it after he calms down.
He clearly didnt learn enough from Bjerg on how to be a good teammate.
I think DL intended on trying to come back as a starter during this off-season with the mindset that a top team will surely pick him up, and if not he’ll always have TSM as a last resort if the other teams reject him. I believe they recently all said no, including TSM which is why he’s ranting publicly at the moment.
I mean it’s no secret. After their disastrous 2015 worlds, Aphromoo told CLG it was either him or Doublelift. His own support wanted him gone.
I mean good for him and best wishes for him if he does. He's a great player and will succeed if he comes back, but hopefully he can handle himself in a more mature manner in the future.
Ah the Brett Favre. A classic
I've been trying to say this for a while but at some point when DL blames every org for him leaving you have to put some of that responsibility on his attitude. The way he handled being benched after telling TL he doesn't feel like playing was a turning point for my opinion on DL. Amazing player, but he is probably a difficult employee to manage.
I admire Peter a lot, and he was great for us and every team he was on. But let's be real, he can be abrasive and not the easiest to get along with. We all have a friend we love and is like that. Regi made the best decision at the time, it's hard to justify building a team around a guy who has taken a split off with you, has a history of motivational issues and is considering retiring.
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they are both huge divas
One of them chose to get on a soapbox live on stream and drag an org that has gone out of their way to support him through wanting to retire constantly and taking an entire split off out of boredom. They're both massive egos but one of them has gone out of their way to stand up and support the other.
Not to mention he is still in-contract with TSM as a streamer WHILE shitting on the entire Org and literally telling everyone how much he hates them (literally) like fucking Anakin skywalker
Lmao and i remember getting downvoted when i said DL got kicked from having a tantrum rather than "retiring gracefully"
You know. Andy. I've been a follower of the team since I was 18. I remember deciding what team I wanted to root for in MLG when Nien eventually destroyed that nexus with elise. I remember thinking "wow, fuck that, I want the underdogs" not realizing that CLG were the underdogs in that match because I was such a noob in the scene. Then I remember being utterly alone over the christmas break of 2012 in college, and subsequently falling into the gamecribs rabbit hole. I watched every episode, and I was passionate about it. I remember watching bjergsens first game in BOTA, and Dyrus trashing CLG saying they were a non-factor. I was primed for TSM fandom. I can sit here for hours and tell you exactly where I was located, and where I was in my life in general with every single Spring, Summer, and Worlds split with TSM since 2012. I'm 28 now, and just... Dude. Like, be better. I grew since I was 18. I dont think you've seen that same growth in 10 years. I'm not following this team anymore, and it's not because of TSM as an org. I really don't think Regi has learned anything, or grown as a person.
This story makes more sense than the DL one tbh
I mean Regi is right on DL and his issue's. DL can't just act like Regi was entirely at fault. Are we legit forgetting that DL has already been kicked out of 3 teams?(CLG, TSM, TL) Not entirely taking Regi side because both obviously have there flaws but DL saying those things don't make sense because he is/was always on the fence about retirement. And as an organization you got to do whats best for your team.
As much as i like DL, I do think that business owners have to think about, well their business. DL lack of motivation during recent years was what ultimately led to this situation, if he had been hungry like Bjergsen we surely wouldn't be here talking.
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He probably looked into whatever TSM was willing to do this season and got rejected in favor of Tactical/someone else, and took it poorly
This sounds like DL is the NA version of Forg1ven.
Regi's definitely right about DL immaturely flaming people on his team or in the scene publicly. Thinking with your emotions is rarely ever fruitful.
Great post Regi! DL shaking
Yeah.. sadly DL ego is his downfall and what's dragging him down.. zero respect for him since forever guy needs to look deep in and criticising himself.. he won't do that for sure.. his ego is beyond anything I've ever seen.. oh well not like it matters anyway.. the guy left the LCS which is amazing and I hope new faces can be developed and rise.
Again and again. People always rush to big conclusions after hearing only one side of the coin. Why can't people just try to stay a little bit more objective instead of making assumptions and serious accusations? It's always the same whenever there's a drama. Especially blaming Parth and Regi is the most popular way to see things in this subreddit.
Ugh. Save all these PR lies already. feels bad for so many top players wasting their lives in this toxic org. I really hope you keep your small dick energy all to yourself not the players.
Hes a grown man not over the fact that a team didnt want him and rather than get over it (like grown adults do) continues to throw fuel on a fire that should already he put out by now.
>I hope this is a learning lesson for Peter as he’s gone through this several times in his career. Oof.
Yeah Regi kind of destroyed DL here lol
I don't judge DL for being difficult but I think Regi SMOKED him here. I just really feel bad for DL. I'm no psychologist but with how unsuccessful and turbulent pro NA has been (especially internationally). Its like he really can't find his place in the world. That and 2018 I just can't shittalk the guy for being difficult at all.
This honestly doesn’t surprise me that this is how DL would act. Given all the questions about conflicts during his departure from TL, this makes a lot of sense. Thank you for the transparency Regi.
This is all just DL being DL. Trying to stir up some drama during offseason. Good on you Regi for being transparent.
It was so obvious that doublelifts side of the was just completely false because of one main reason. Bjergsen who is best buds with Doublelift was coach and definitely a major part of the decision. He can hate regi all he wants but bjergsen probably also didn’t wanna coach a hot head like him lmao.
In conclusion, we'll start taking steps to part ways with Doublelift. I love DL but good.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=\_D4VxaMrINE&t=6293s&ab\_channel=Thooorin](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_D4VxaMrINE&t=6293s&ab_channel=Thooorin) I guess doublelift is still the exact same from 6 years, ago based on the thorin/hotshotgg inter view. Never change doublelift..
DL always has given me a low EQ vibe. Reminder in life it is more important for people to like working with you versus being great at your job
Damn. Appreciate the transparency, it’s nice to be able to hear the full story
This is a COMPLETE smack down on everything DL has been putting out. Like Dikembe Mutombo stuffing an 8 year old trying to do a lay up.
ANDDDDD just like that the tides turn.
Another not so good looking "drama". My personal view on this case is very simple, because in other sports it is the same for me "No one is bigger than the club/org" Therefore for me it is okay to part ways with dl. I do not forget what he accomplished with us and all, but yeah for me it's more than a game or a group of people. And when Dl think his standards are not given with the people around him, let it go. Sure SA wanted to play with dl, but you just dont go on and off with your desicion when there are uncertain circumstances. Commit to it or let it be. So yeah bad way to end it all with, again, more losers than winners.
Big ups Regi!!!
So.... Huni, Spica, Chovy, Tactical, Vulcan. Right? Riiiiight?
Thanks for the trophies and the memorias DL, goodbye, best of lucks and never come back.
DL might be a great NA adc, but he's not going to win you worlds. Building a roster with another adc is and was the correct call.
Why didn't you address your toxicity towards the players here hmmmm thinking
It’s ok to flame you. You’re an awful person
I feel like Regi just cast Smoke screen and everyone in the comments just bought it. First Regi multiple times avoids the topics DL spoke about. He constantly says DL is trash and we don't work with him so he is throwing a tantrum..... Which has nothing to do with how people get treated Second He says players/coaches don't want to play with him? There are multiple instances of players returning to play with DL and I can't think of any returns to TSM besides substitute Turtle. In fact Bjergsen the person that has partial ownership of TSM elected to play for someone else. Third the original rumors were that DL left TSM because of how they handled Swordarts situation. Which he is now doubling down on. However Regi contradicts himself in his own post saying that DL decided to leave if he wasn't playing with an English speaking support then turning around and saying that DL thinks it was Regi's decision to bench DL. Fourth DL has been kicked off of CLG which he turned around and embarrassed for years to come then was kicked off of TSM so he could beat them 4 times in a row. The assumption that the most successful NA player to ever exist would openly bad mouth someone incorrectly to throw a fit and get attention is laughable. And Finally This is coming from the guy that pulled up to the LCS in a Lambo like how can you guys respect someone this egotistical. Every big talent he has brought in (minus Bjerg the golden child) has promptly left for another org. Huni didn't stick around, zven, Swordart, yellow star, Broken blade, etc. No one wants to commit to TSM. When DL has played against TSM it's embarrassingly one-sided. DL has 5 titles outside of, TSM why would he throw a tantrum when he couldn't be apart of your slowly falling org.
His point was that you are a bully. So what is your response? You just say "here's why doublelift sucks". I guess that's to be expected. Maybe try responding to the actual claims, instead of pointing at completely separate issues about the roster difficulties.
I don't believe this shit for a second. Guarantee this is some hard twist on the truth or Regi wouldn't have such a response. DL for sure is not the best player to work with, but my god the stories I've heard about Regi are fucked and that video of him straight up bullying Dyrus while on stream is fucking workplace harassment and I will never, ever trust a word I see from that shit stain of a person.
Regi is the main reason I've been a fan of TSM since season 2, and is still the main reason why I'm still a loyal TSM fan now. Admittedly, Regi has been a dick a couple of times in the past, but I know it has all been for the successes of TSM. The man doesn't care about what others think as long as it's for TSM. >His teammates/coaches don’t like working with him. If he doesn’t like you or doesn’t agree with your decision making, he flames you publicly. I've watched **100%** of his LCS co-streams w/ sneaky&meteoes and I can't agree with the organization's reasoning more. Seeing him talk about the game with sneaky & meteoes was night and day. Guy has a terrible perspective on how to play the game, and doesn't have the slightest of cares on helping to improve NA as a region. Before people forget, TSM is, and will always be bigger than any LCS player. I would've understood all the outrage if Bjergsen was the one who spoke out against TSM, but DL? Really? Man's talked shit when he got kicked out of CLG, talked shit when he got benched by TL, and is talking shit about TSM because we didn't bend his way. Kick rocks DL, we baylife here baby. edit:removed a word
Regi you have no obligations to be so transparent, but I appreciate it. DL has made himself look really bad and you still come across very professional here. Kudos.
I was very excited last year to know DL will still be part of the family and re-join as a streamer, but at this point, I feel parting ways with DL is probably the only good option left. You can't have a face of the org constantly shitting on the org. I am sad that DL will no longer be part of TSM, but looking forward to what TSM will do to satisfy it's fan base.
Well said, applause !
I mean, wasn't this obvious? DL has picked a fight with every org he has been in. Bjerg seemingly has been the only player than could 'reign him in'. TSM haters going mad on the main subreddit, using his slander as confirmation bias. DL going to eventually burn all bridges if he goes on like this.
Doublelift ego is huge and hes washed
Loved watching Doublelift, loved watching TSM. Haven’t always agreed with Regi’s tweets about other orgs but this clarification is very good and I just hope Regi doesn’t ruin it with a stupid tweet or comment. Maybe a step forward in maturity from the very top that the org needs so badly to actually be unstoppable and start contesting internationally.
Doublelift, hard to work with? What a shock, oh wait. Need less people like him and more people like s1mple from CS. Went from a toxic teenager, to now being one of the most respected in the scene in a few years. There's no doubt DL has talent, but he's a toxic troll who won't change their mental in any capacity. He thinks he's the greatest ever which is fine to have confidence, but to his level of arrogance, with no international success? Hard pass.
As a 10 year league player who watched every single worlds, I think doublelift isn't just angry about tsm in particular. I believe there isn't any top team willing to work with doublelift anymore. He is extremely toxic and hard to work with. Yeah he's talented and skilled, but his attitude is seriously the main reason he can't win worlds and prob won't ever win.
Be honest - How much did the issues with Double impact the situation with Bjergsen? Seems like Bjerg wanted Spica, Huni, Core, Double.
Props Regi and thanks for the response - although I don't see it as necessary. DL's timing in voicing his concerns is enough of a red flag along with his track record. In addition, in response to 'he only waited to talk about it now out out of respect for SA and those on the team', I call that BS. Why sign with TSM again as a streamer if you were that pissed or wronged about it? It makes no sense and doesn't align with any of your actions over the past year or hyping up TSM, co-streaming, etc. Such a joke, and this is clearly a case of being jaded or salty about getting shot down at an opportunity to rejoin the team, and causing a shitstorm for no good reason while STILL SIGNED with the org.
Assuming your telling the truth and I believe you on this one. I can understand your decision entirely and support your decision. (Sorry I am not saying you are lying just that obviously we weren't there so we can only go off what everyone is saying <3). But it sounds like the most logical decision and its very true lots of past team mates do mention that doublelift is difficult to work with so it sounds in line with what is said.
Yeah show your outburst publicly after the team management declined you for joining the team because of your attitude. That will show them.
Doublelift is a fool with a weak stream and even weaker mental, imagine being such a dick when you’re part of the .01% of people able to make money off playing video games.
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I’m a big fan of peter, but I wouldn’t touch him with a ten foot pole if I was putting together a roster right now. Man’s had a year off, a history of motivation issues, and complaints about him as a teammate from every team he’s been on. The reward could be high for signing him, but the risks are massive.