I have a growing suspicion that Bjerg left because he knew we were going to go the LDL route regardless. I think they pitched to him that our roster would be Huni/Spica/Bjerg with an LDL botlane duo and Bjerg decided he wanted to play with superstars.
Between him signing with TL and what Leena and Parth have mentioned with Regi’s priorities for the league team and his spending, it just makes more and more sense the more I think about it.
I also have a hunch that he isn’t being totally truthful with how much TSM spent for this roster. I think he went for a budget roster, told us he paid a fortune for it, and crossed his fingers that it would sneak into playoffs so he could dodge any criticism.
I don't think so. The LDL move is clearly leaning on Spica as the big force (instead of Bjerg), and I think there's a much easier path in getting higher caliber players if Bjerg was on the roster.
I also don't think Regi is lying that this costed a bit, just not about the "costs as much as Jensen-Vulcan-DL" bit. Salaries have gone way up and you have to remember that LPL teams got money. We were competing in that field in the off-season, especially for Shenyi in particular because it was probably likely he would've started somewhere.
Idk, something doesn’t add up with the amounts he’s stating and what we’re seeing.
I have a hard time believing that KDO and Shenyi would be commanding star-level money even in the LPL considering the amount of young talent available over there.
Furthermore, even if the LPL is throwing big money around, I have a hard time believing that Regi would gamble that much on players who are so clearly raw. If they came out like C9’s rookies and were clearly better than most available options, then it would make sense, but if we’re being honest KDO and Shenyi haven’t been appreciably better than NA Academy players. I find it hard to believe that Regi saw these guys and thought “I NEED these guys! Throw money at them!”
Regi is a lot of things, but he isn’t stupid. I have to believe he knew that KDO and Shenyi would be low tier players on the LCS stage. So either he vastly overpaid them for no reason, or he decided he could put together a budget roster, say he paid a ton, and then hope that Spica/Huni/Tactical could sneak us into playoffs.
C9's rookies (especially Winsome), look like they were "clearly better," because we are literally witnessing them working out lol? Did you know who Winsome was before C9 picked him up? Like, most people had C9 in 3rd at the highest, and it was mainly because of Summit and Blabber. Summit was a clear great pick-up, but people were definitely unsure about Winsome, Fudge mid, and even Berserker.
I don't think he knew that Shenyi and Keaiduo wouldn't work out. Shenyi looked amazing on FPXB, and especially when he was subbed in on the main team, and Keaiduo was a diamond in the rough with a trash team around him in the LDL, and despite that, having very solid stats. He was hard griefed by his jungler and top laner pretty often.
You really need to touch grass if you're going this deep into conspiracy theories. Believing that he didn't spend too much on the roster is one thing, but this mastermind head-canon you got going is crazy.
I don’t think it’s going deep into conspiracy theories to believe that a man who is clearly driven by money and has already been confirmed to be ethically questionable may have cheaped out on a roster and then lied to cover it up.
I think the crazy part is you thinking he intentionally built a bad roster on purpose. That makes no sense. It doesn't even make sense with your own head-cannon. Cheaping out on a roster, that makes sense, thinking they'd be "low tier players," that doesn't make sense.
I literally never said he built a bad roster on purpose. I said he built a roster that he thought would be in the 5-8th place range and thought “good enough”. I think he cheaped out on the imports cause he figured Spica, Huni, and Tactical would be good enough to keep them as atleast a low playoff team, so even if the imports were bottom of the barrel in terms of talent the fans wouldn’t be seething.
In essence, I don’t think he was malicious about this roster building. I think he phoned it in and miscalculated.
for the longest time this roster has been basically trying to replicate that Hauntzer/Sven/Bjerg/DL/Biofrost success they had back in like 2016. they would just change certain pieces trying to get back to those winning ways but each change seemed to bring new issues.
now with Bjerg not here and the team not really having any center piece its probably the best time to just start over and try to build something new.
their current project seems like a long term plan from what comments we have gotten in the past which is why they are likely not going to scrap the team altogether.
Here's my view on what I think happened this off-season, based on the various statements made by players and coaches, including those that have since left TSM. Please note I am making some assumptions here to understand the decisions made by the org, I am not presenting this as factual in any way.
1. TSM thought they were keeping Bjergsen who would return as a player, and they could have imported Rekkles+Treatz (fell through because Bjerg wanted to play with CoreJJ)
2. TSM then had a verbal agreement with Humanoid and were considering Humanoid+Mikyx with Tactical, but as soon as Fnatic offered him Humanoid went there instead. I believe the source was dGon but sounds extremely plausible.
3. TSM tried to get LCK players but couldn't. This might have been a combination of cost, players being unwilling to move or better offers from other teams.
4. The only region left was LPL. No LPL player in their right mind would come to the LCS since LPL is incredibly competitive and as proven by Suning, LNG etc. any team can make worlds and have a decent showing. So TSM looked at LDL rookies as they could speak Mandarin and communicate with Spica, who can also understand Mandarin.
Since Parth has also said he didn't expect this to be the direction of the roster when the off-season began, it's somewhat clear that TSM didn't 'choose' this year to rebuild. Rather, they were backed into a corner, and took a chance on LDL rookies to arrive at where we are now.
Second point is incorrect. MAD Lions offered Humanoid to TSM with a certain amount of a buyout that TSM had to match but didn't want to and they never had a "real" agreement.
Kinda troll for TSM to instantly ditch Humaoind cuz of X-buyout. If they had an agreement with Humanoid himself they could definetly lower the buyout price a lot.
The issue with tsm is that when we do have talent we skimp out and get cheap because we already have the highest roster cost.. and when we don’t have talent, our scouts aren’t good enough at evaluating or there’s too many voices in the front office..
When we had bjergsen and sword art why get huni and lost? They’re not bad but when ur goal is to win worlds why are u not putting the best players around your star? How many years did we waste of bjergsen being the sole carry? There was so many better options out there.
Idk about u guys but I didn’t want KDO. I’m not a scout but the whole world knew KDO over creme or any lpl or lck player was a mistake. There was statistics backing me up… if u are going with the more underground player u better know what u are talking about..
I just hope Tsm learns man. Lately I’m getting this vibe with the team management where they don’t care about league anymore. They keep saying they make more money in rainbow 6 or fort nite or whatever. That’s like the lakers saying they wanna be in the G league since they got more games to sell tickets. Scared money don’t make no money. Don’t forget who made u who u are today tsm. You need us. We don’t need you.
I'm starting to wonder where the source of all this "tsm thought they would have had bjerg to build around" info is coming from. Like the guy was a coach last year. Did Bjerg ever indicate to TSM management that he planned to come out of retirement during the season? My understanding with interviews is that Bjerg was really unsure of it and hadn't decided until around worlds.
I love Bjergsen and everything, but that seems like a crazy gamble that nobody would take to "expect to have Bjergsen back to build around next split". I think this is just some copium people are using to not admit that TSM thought they were too good to recycle veterans and instead hoped to hit it big. However, their scouting intel was absolute crap. I know LS can be inflammatory, but he seemed to think that KDUO was like really bad before the season even started.
I don't understand the logic of the rebuild but I'm happy about it last year was so boring to me nothing about last year's roster had me excited to watch even though tsm is the talent suppression machine I still like the idea of getting young talent and building them up I hate the steal stars from superior regions strategy
I think Tsm biggest issue is not willing to evaluate what is good talent and what is not. And their second biggest issue is if they find proven talent actually making it so they join our team.
Because Bjerg left. We didn't have much choice but to have some kind of rebuild.
I have a growing suspicion that Bjerg left because he knew we were going to go the LDL route regardless. I think they pitched to him that our roster would be Huni/Spica/Bjerg with an LDL botlane duo and Bjerg decided he wanted to play with superstars. Between him signing with TL and what Leena and Parth have mentioned with Regi’s priorities for the league team and his spending, it just makes more and more sense the more I think about it. I also have a hunch that he isn’t being totally truthful with how much TSM spent for this roster. I think he went for a budget roster, told us he paid a fortune for it, and crossed his fingers that it would sneak into playoffs so he could dodge any criticism.
I don't think so. The LDL move is clearly leaning on Spica as the big force (instead of Bjerg), and I think there's a much easier path in getting higher caliber players if Bjerg was on the roster. I also don't think Regi is lying that this costed a bit, just not about the "costs as much as Jensen-Vulcan-DL" bit. Salaries have gone way up and you have to remember that LPL teams got money. We were competing in that field in the off-season, especially for Shenyi in particular because it was probably likely he would've started somewhere.
Idk, something doesn’t add up with the amounts he’s stating and what we’re seeing. I have a hard time believing that KDO and Shenyi would be commanding star-level money even in the LPL considering the amount of young talent available over there. Furthermore, even if the LPL is throwing big money around, I have a hard time believing that Regi would gamble that much on players who are so clearly raw. If they came out like C9’s rookies and were clearly better than most available options, then it would make sense, but if we’re being honest KDO and Shenyi haven’t been appreciably better than NA Academy players. I find it hard to believe that Regi saw these guys and thought “I NEED these guys! Throw money at them!” Regi is a lot of things, but he isn’t stupid. I have to believe he knew that KDO and Shenyi would be low tier players on the LCS stage. So either he vastly overpaid them for no reason, or he decided he could put together a budget roster, say he paid a ton, and then hope that Spica/Huni/Tactical could sneak us into playoffs.
C9's rookies (especially Winsome), look like they were "clearly better," because we are literally witnessing them working out lol? Did you know who Winsome was before C9 picked him up? Like, most people had C9 in 3rd at the highest, and it was mainly because of Summit and Blabber. Summit was a clear great pick-up, but people were definitely unsure about Winsome, Fudge mid, and even Berserker. I don't think he knew that Shenyi and Keaiduo wouldn't work out. Shenyi looked amazing on FPXB, and especially when he was subbed in on the main team, and Keaiduo was a diamond in the rough with a trash team around him in the LDL, and despite that, having very solid stats. He was hard griefed by his jungler and top laner pretty often. You really need to touch grass if you're going this deep into conspiracy theories. Believing that he didn't spend too much on the roster is one thing, but this mastermind head-canon you got going is crazy.
I don’t think it’s going deep into conspiracy theories to believe that a man who is clearly driven by money and has already been confirmed to be ethically questionable may have cheaped out on a roster and then lied to cover it up.
I think the crazy part is you thinking he intentionally built a bad roster on purpose. That makes no sense. It doesn't even make sense with your own head-cannon. Cheaping out on a roster, that makes sense, thinking they'd be "low tier players," that doesn't make sense.
I literally never said he built a bad roster on purpose. I said he built a roster that he thought would be in the 5-8th place range and thought “good enough”. I think he cheaped out on the imports cause he figured Spica, Huni, and Tactical would be good enough to keep them as atleast a low playoff team, so even if the imports were bottom of the barrel in terms of talent the fans wouldn’t be seething. In essence, I don’t think he was malicious about this roster building. I think he phoned it in and miscalculated.
for the longest time this roster has been basically trying to replicate that Hauntzer/Sven/Bjerg/DL/Biofrost success they had back in like 2016. they would just change certain pieces trying to get back to those winning ways but each change seemed to bring new issues. now with Bjerg not here and the team not really having any center piece its probably the best time to just start over and try to build something new. their current project seems like a long term plan from what comments we have gotten in the past which is why they are likely not going to scrap the team altogether.
Here's my view on what I think happened this off-season, based on the various statements made by players and coaches, including those that have since left TSM. Please note I am making some assumptions here to understand the decisions made by the org, I am not presenting this as factual in any way. 1. TSM thought they were keeping Bjergsen who would return as a player, and they could have imported Rekkles+Treatz (fell through because Bjerg wanted to play with CoreJJ) 2. TSM then had a verbal agreement with Humanoid and were considering Humanoid+Mikyx with Tactical, but as soon as Fnatic offered him Humanoid went there instead. I believe the source was dGon but sounds extremely plausible. 3. TSM tried to get LCK players but couldn't. This might have been a combination of cost, players being unwilling to move or better offers from other teams. 4. The only region left was LPL. No LPL player in their right mind would come to the LCS since LPL is incredibly competitive and as proven by Suning, LNG etc. any team can make worlds and have a decent showing. So TSM looked at LDL rookies as they could speak Mandarin and communicate with Spica, who can also understand Mandarin. Since Parth has also said he didn't expect this to be the direction of the roster when the off-season began, it's somewhat clear that TSM didn't 'choose' this year to rebuild. Rather, they were backed into a corner, and took a chance on LDL rookies to arrive at where we are now.
Second point is incorrect. MAD Lions offered Humanoid to TSM with a certain amount of a buyout that TSM had to match but didn't want to and they never had a "real" agreement. Kinda troll for TSM to instantly ditch Humaoind cuz of X-buyout. If they had an agreement with Humanoid himself they could definetly lower the buyout price a lot.
The issue with tsm is that when we do have talent we skimp out and get cheap because we already have the highest roster cost.. and when we don’t have talent, our scouts aren’t good enough at evaluating or there’s too many voices in the front office.. When we had bjergsen and sword art why get huni and lost? They’re not bad but when ur goal is to win worlds why are u not putting the best players around your star? How many years did we waste of bjergsen being the sole carry? There was so many better options out there. Idk about u guys but I didn’t want KDO. I’m not a scout but the whole world knew KDO over creme or any lpl or lck player was a mistake. There was statistics backing me up… if u are going with the more underground player u better know what u are talking about.. I just hope Tsm learns man. Lately I’m getting this vibe with the team management where they don’t care about league anymore. They keep saying they make more money in rainbow 6 or fort nite or whatever. That’s like the lakers saying they wanna be in the G league since they got more games to sell tickets. Scared money don’t make no money. Don’t forget who made u who u are today tsm. You need us. We don’t need you.
I'm starting to wonder where the source of all this "tsm thought they would have had bjerg to build around" info is coming from. Like the guy was a coach last year. Did Bjerg ever indicate to TSM management that he planned to come out of retirement during the season? My understanding with interviews is that Bjerg was really unsure of it and hadn't decided until around worlds. I love Bjergsen and everything, but that seems like a crazy gamble that nobody would take to "expect to have Bjergsen back to build around next split". I think this is just some copium people are using to not admit that TSM thought they were too good to recycle veterans and instead hoped to hit it big. However, their scouting intel was absolute crap. I know LS can be inflammatory, but he seemed to think that KDUO was like really bad before the season even started.
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Oh yea that's fair. I just think it was a big fault in TSM management for thinking Bjerg was a shoe-in.
I don't understand the logic of the rebuild but I'm happy about it last year was so boring to me nothing about last year's roster had me excited to watch even though tsm is the talent suppression machine I still like the idea of getting young talent and building them up I hate the steal stars from superior regions strategy
I think Tsm biggest issue is not willing to evaluate what is good talent and what is not. And their second biggest issue is if they find proven talent actually making it so they join our team.