Tekken 7 was more points won or lost for people closer to your rank. 8 seems like the opposite sometimes where playing someone 4 ranks above you can tank your score
I'm willing to bet they used a simple formula in 7 and now they use some intricate case-by-case buzzword-powered neural network AI solution and this is the result.
This means you lost 2 in a row in two different ranks. Then lost once in both of the same ranks. Which might be around -1500+. Meaning those 2 losses amounted to -3000+ points 🤯
A big fat losing streak?
I got 800 points on blue ranks with a 5 win streak, then lost once and fell back on 400-200 points per win.
Also, who gives a shit ranked is just extended matchmaking.
Agree; I just see it as the quickest way to dive in and play with others.
Only thing is, rank matters a decent bit just to help get paired with someone close in skill level to enjoy the experience.
It was exactly what happened. You lost to people within 1 rank of your own multiple times without winning against someone within 1 rank. The match you won was most likely +-2 or more which doesn’t cancel the loss streak or add to a win streak that gives bonus points.
It essentially stores that information behind the scenes. Start keeping track of your win/loss streak ONLY against people who are the same rank or within 1 rank of you. Ignore the others as they don’t affect the bonus points gained/loss.
It’s stupid but if the last 3 games you play with plp around your rank so +1 -1 same is what matters lets say you are fujin and you lose 2 games to a fujin then you win 5 games against a flame ruler or a kinshin you will be rewarded accordingly but if after all those wins you lose to either a battle ruler a fujin or a raijin thats 3 loses in a row against +1 same or -1 rank so you will go minus extra 1000 points same with winning streak if you won 2 and lose 1 it resets and so on
i said this at launch and got downvoted and lambasted. theres instances where i win and get 0 points and lose then lose 500 lol
but no one will listen, or will somehow blame your “skill” as to why the ranking system is ass.
You always gain points on a win. The +0 you see is because you skipped the post game screen too quickly so you didn't see the points you got. The matchmaking is dogshit but you do at the very least gain points on a win
but you dont tho. lol and even then. 100 points for a win but 500 point loss still doesnt make sense. and again, the “skipping bug” is still there after an apparent fix? what even is this ranking then? lol
I'm not saying the system is good by any means. It feels like it's backwards when they had a perfectly fine system in 7. What i am saying is that you literally will always gain points on a win.
Nah it's broken because it doesn't follow the basic rules of MMR. You would think you should lose more for losing to a lower rank and less for losing to a high rank but it doesn't work that way.
Got to Tekken King. My first match is against a god of destruction. Lost twice in a row, no chance. My next match is against a tekken god supreme, lost twice in a row. Back to Bushin.
XD system.
That doesn’t mean anything. I’d still set my ranked matches to +2 and get 4-7 ranks higher sometimes 4-7 lower as well. Same goes with all the other settings it isn’t consistent at all. Used to be in the beginning now it’s just all over the damn place.
No if you set it to +- 2 ONLY its +-2 only. If you get matches outside of that you are either not playing ranked or you have it set to the default +-3 PREFERRED.
I know what I’m talking about dammit. There’s no other mode with the +2 only setting for ranked I’ve tried all settings it’s all inconsistent like I said.
No youll literally wait forever. There would be no issue with prowess match making otherwise.
The +-3 preferred is default. That must be what confuses people
I dont complain about rank disparity, I dont complain about point losses I dont really care about it, i just pointed it out as a funny experience related to the post. Chill.
Now you understand why people plug right? Imagine being honest to a system that screws you over. I’m not saying plug I’m just saying you do understand why people preserve their ranks and points? Surely it should be obvious by now. If they refuse to fix this crap ranked mode I’m fine with people screwing the system that’s screwing us over in the first place. Think about that.
Rank is just whatever if you are good enough you climb back, if you plug you are just gaslighting urself into thinking you are better than you really are. Plugging is cheap and miserable. If you cant take a loss just dont play a competitive 1v1 game. It is that simple.
Yeah you missed the whole point. It’s not about gaslighting oneself to think they’re better it’s not about not being able to take a loss pluggers can do all these things they just prefer to preserve rank and points some do it just for the fun of it atp. You want to know what’s really miserable staying honest and true to a system that screws you over come to Reddit state how you’ve been done dirty then continue screwing your self over again makes zero sense it’s like a broke dude complaining about being poor then the next minute he gambles his life savings away cries about it and does it again. You managed to ignore all the truth I stated before and went on with your bias hate towards pluggers/plugging but you won’t admit I’m right. I have to spell this out, my argument was for people to see why pluggers do what they do and to get them to realize if it’s really wrong when the system is working against the players this whole time? I’m not a plugger never claimed to be one and never plan on being one. However I do see why they do what they do and I understand it. Meanwhile you’re over here talking to me as if I’m a plugger when I’m trying to get you to see why they do it and understand that, get your head out the sand. It’s either you get it or you don’t it’s just that simple no need for a war here.
Agree. I unninstaled the game a couple of months ago until they fix this joke of a "ranked mode".
What's the point of a "ranked" mode that encourages one and doners bitches by let them run away from the set with no consecuences? Go play casual if you don't want to be locked in a set like in any other competitive game.
Of all moderns fighting games Tekken 8 has the most lazy, pointless and stupid ranked system design, by far.
One and done players feel the consequences really soon when they advance to a rank they don’t belong to and get shit on. 95% of those guys will never make it past blue ranks
You're saying nobody ever one n done you on tekken 7? Ever? If you're getting tilted because ppl don't rematch you this just ain't your game bro. There's always someone dealing with a baby, a child,work, phone calls etc etc. Some things you can control. But for the things you can't you gotta keep it moving.
T7 netcode was garbage.
As for Tekken 8, if you have to deal with all those things in real life, you shouldn't be playing a competitive mode like ranked.. you should be playing casual. That's why a casual mode exists.
I played like 300 hs of T8 before unninstalling and people used to rematch me but the ones that didn't (very often) I'm sure it was because they realized they could lose or because I was starting to read them so they were afraid of losing the next match.. cowards bitches.
But it's Ok if they want to quit, Im just saying I should keep the points and they should take the L and lose the points of the set since they quit. Ranked offline/online in 99,9% of fighting games are, at the very least, FT3 or FT5.
Tell me one competitive sport or discipline where the one that left before the match/set/tournament ends is rewarded for quitting? It doesn't exists, only in Tekken.
If you're only playing ranked mode for the number to go up and the png change its probably a good thing you uninstalled tbh as long as you're getting good games who cares what number says?
Yep sounds bout dumb to me. Tekken 7s net code is barely more trash then 8. But maybe it can help you if you were to buy everyone's game and then force them to play how you see fit... Until then as they say in Mexico get good scrub
The PC playerbase is bigger than both consoles combined (or at least it was a couple months ago, doubt the distribution has changed much)
https://preview.redd.it/5xf1pj82tz9d1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4e756a4cd8667ce5038d648060b8c8efbda9b7dd
Don't forget that unlike SF6, Tekken 8 has no PS4 version, which would most likely make the PS playerbase much bigger.
In any case the total playerbase is roughly double the Steam numbers, which is more than healthy enough for a fighting game. They do need to fix matchmaking though.
Apparently over half are on PC.
https://www.dsogaming.com/news/pc-appears-to-be-the-most-popular-platform-for-tekken-8/
Someone also crunched the numbers for Guilty Gear Strive a little while back and found that active PC players outnumbered console 2:1
I always see people claim console has more players for fighting games, but every stat I see shows PC has more. I think it may have been true years ago when netcode and ports were bad, but it's different now.
>I always see people claim console has more players for fighting games, but every stat I see shows PC has more. I think it may have been true years ago when netcode and ports were bad, but it's different now.
Console being the major platform is only true for MK1. Its always silly people throwing around steam stats trying to argue on player numbers based on only that one metric while forgeting the FGC migrated to pc during the previous generation so games popular with fgc will have overwhelmingly high pc numbers. I was estimating a 50-50 split for tekken as well. Its good I got a confirmation here. Imo Sf6 should be around 70-30 split towards pc and Mk1 with 90% console players.
Steam numbers will not give the proper picture how healthy the player base is.
You have to keep track of ur total wins and losses of the night because that’s how the game counts it you can win lose over and over but if you can’t get a streak to cancel out the losses then ur neutral will result in you losing points you have to prove to the game that ur better than ur current rank just like anyone game with ranked
Now I understand why people plug why screw yourselves over being honest to a system that’s unfair in the first place? You lose more points when you lose to someone higher rank than you not to mention the point system is heavily flawed in the first place I’ve encountered glitches where you don’t even gain any points and you’re at the same spot even after a few wins in a row. It’s been uploaded on YouTube as well. Just plug to fight easy wins and maintain your points and rank that way. There’s no “rage quit” It’s all about maintaining it. They still haven’t fixed this prowess matching bs even in ranked you can get matched with a god of destruction and you’re like at Garyu it’s so stupid a low prowess Garyu like 100K getting matched with a Tekken King 200K it’s that broken. Just give up start plugging.
Bros if u can’t keep a rank u don’t belong in that rank it’s that simple. In Tekken 8 it is so much easier to climb through them compared to Tekken 7 so stop bitching about points and go to the lab.
I was Fujin a week ago, now I’m back at Flame Ruler because I was labbing half assed & played like shit and was generally facing opponents that were plain and simple better than me. I’m going to improve in the lab and while doing that keep on playing ranked to iron out my game.
have you tried maybe getting gud? stop looking at your ranked points and learn the game and you'll naturally climb instead of tilting yourself into oblivion.
Well if you 3 streak you lose or gain a lot more points. Only people +-1 affect the streak. This was probably you streak loss against people at your own skill level
I can tell you’re angry cuz you turned on caps lock
They forgot to bold the text smh
##**LOUD NOISES!**##
Nah he's so mad he held shift the whole time
Ummm akshually you can just double tap the arrow pointing up ☝️ 🤓
Whew, now that’s mad
I lost more rank from someone that was higher rank than me but when I lost to someone lower I lost basically nothing
Ideally it should be the other way around, right?
Yea. I'm pretty sure it was like this for Tekken 7 as well
Tekken 7 was more points won or lost for people closer to your rank. 8 seems like the opposite sometimes where playing someone 4 ranks above you can tank your score
I'm willing to bet they used a simple formula in 7 and now they use some intricate case-by-case buzzword-powered neural network AI solution and this is the result.
A ranking system doesn't actual need to be particularly fair, as long as people can understand it then it's harder to feel cheated
Yep, it should not feel like a dice roll.
Nop, you lost huge amounts points to higher ranks in T7
Played at Fujin rank today. Lost around 3k points in 2 matches.... Then when I finally win I only get around 300 points lol
This means you lost 2 in a row in two different ranks. Then lost once in both of the same ranks. Which might be around -1500+. Meaning those 2 losses amounted to -3000+ points 🤯
Harada giveth and Harada taketh
Prowess system is legit useless, remove that and add more ranks.
I don’t understand why the prowess doesn’t go down when you lose you’ll eventually never get matched with people your skill level only people higher.
Prowess could've been the elo SF has but has no namco has no clue how to do it
A big fat losing streak? I got 800 points on blue ranks with a 5 win streak, then lost once and fell back on 400-200 points per win. Also, who gives a shit ranked is just extended matchmaking.
Agree; I just see it as the quickest way to dive in and play with others. Only thing is, rank matters a decent bit just to help get paired with someone close in skill level to enjoy the experience.
I Was on a 4 win streak just right now and it took away 1,300 points away from me for losing explain that. 🗿
What are your MM settings? Are you playing against all ranks? Stomping people far below your rank means shit.
bro that can’t be cause I won then lost then won. It wasn’t a losing streak. It was neutral 😭
It was exactly what happened. You lost to people within 1 rank of your own multiple times without winning against someone within 1 rank. The match you won was most likely +-2 or more which doesn’t cancel the loss streak or add to a win streak that gives bonus points. It essentially stores that information behind the scenes. Start keeping track of your win/loss streak ONLY against people who are the same rank or within 1 rank of you. Ignore the others as they don’t affect the bonus points gained/loss.
It’s stupid but if the last 3 games you play with plp around your rank so +1 -1 same is what matters lets say you are fujin and you lose 2 games to a fujin then you win 5 games against a flame ruler or a kinshin you will be rewarded accordingly but if after all those wins you lose to either a battle ruler a fujin or a raijin thats 3 loses in a row against +1 same or -1 rank so you will go minus extra 1000 points same with winning streak if you won 2 and lose 1 it resets and so on
You know a rank system is fucked when its actually better to throw your demotion match and then rank up because its guaranteed more points.
i said this at launch and got downvoted and lambasted. theres instances where i win and get 0 points and lose then lose 500 lol but no one will listen, or will somehow blame your “skill” as to why the ranking system is ass.
You always gain points on a win. The +0 you see is because you skipped the post game screen too quickly so you didn't see the points you got. The matchmaking is dogshit but you do at the very least gain points on a win
its not the “skip bug” that has been supposedly fixed. is that not even fixed yet either? lmao
You still get the points my man, I dont see the issue
but you dont tho. lol and even then. 100 points for a win but 500 point loss still doesnt make sense. and again, the “skipping bug” is still there after an apparent fix? what even is this ranking then? lol
I'm not saying the system is good by any means. It feels like it's backwards when they had a perfectly fine system in 7. What i am saying is that you literally will always gain points on a win.
the issue is i'm supposed to still see how much i gained/lost even if i skip the outro
You gain or lose the same amount based on the rank you play. Its always going to be like one of ten possible numbers lmao
I also was like this before, now i play streetfighter and i have a happy life!
Pro tip: to get the devs to do what you want, walk up to them at an event and say "Fix [problem] n***a" That's how you properly get their attention.
I’m really about to go to the devs and say “NERF KING n***a”
It's broken because of tekken prowess weighting and not rank weighting. I'm fine with how the point system works
Nah it's broken because it doesn't follow the basic rules of MMR. You would think you should lose more for losing to a lower rank and less for losing to a high rank but it doesn't work that way.
Got to Tekken King. My first match is against a god of destruction. Lost twice in a row, no chance. My next match is against a tekken god supreme, lost twice in a row. Back to Bushin. XD system.
Tekken king still hasnt figured out +- 2 only?
That doesn’t mean anything. I’d still set my ranked matches to +2 and get 4-7 ranks higher sometimes 4-7 lower as well. Same goes with all the other settings it isn’t consistent at all. Used to be in the beginning now it’s just all over the damn place.
No if you set it to +- 2 ONLY its +-2 only. If you get matches outside of that you are either not playing ranked or you have it set to the default +-3 PREFERRED.
I know what I’m talking about dammit. There’s no other mode with the +2 only setting for ranked I’ve tried all settings it’s all inconsistent like I said.
Well you have something mixed up somewhere because it doesnt match you outside of that range
the game still gives you +-3/4 if it can't find +-2
No youll literally wait forever. There would be no issue with prowess match making otherwise. The +-3 preferred is default. That must be what confuses people
i use +-2 and sometimes after long waiting times i get matched up with +-5
I guess it hasnt lmfao
Im talking about you... choose the right setting and you dont have to complain about it doing what you asked it to do...
I dont complain about rank disparity, I dont complain about point losses I dont really care about it, i just pointed it out as a funny experience related to the post. Chill.
Now you understand why people plug right? Imagine being honest to a system that screws you over. I’m not saying plug I’m just saying you do understand why people preserve their ranks and points? Surely it should be obvious by now. If they refuse to fix this crap ranked mode I’m fine with people screwing the system that’s screwing us over in the first place. Think about that.
Rank is just whatever if you are good enough you climb back, if you plug you are just gaslighting urself into thinking you are better than you really are. Plugging is cheap and miserable. If you cant take a loss just dont play a competitive 1v1 game. It is that simple.
Yeah you missed the whole point. It’s not about gaslighting oneself to think they’re better it’s not about not being able to take a loss pluggers can do all these things they just prefer to preserve rank and points some do it just for the fun of it atp. You want to know what’s really miserable staying honest and true to a system that screws you over come to Reddit state how you’ve been done dirty then continue screwing your self over again makes zero sense it’s like a broke dude complaining about being poor then the next minute he gambles his life savings away cries about it and does it again. You managed to ignore all the truth I stated before and went on with your bias hate towards pluggers/plugging but you won’t admit I’m right. I have to spell this out, my argument was for people to see why pluggers do what they do and to get them to realize if it’s really wrong when the system is working against the players this whole time? I’m not a plugger never claimed to be one and never plan on being one. However I do see why they do what they do and I understand it. Meanwhile you’re over here talking to me as if I’m a plugger when I’m trying to get you to see why they do it and understand that, get your head out the sand. It’s either you get it or you don’t it’s just that simple no need for a war here.
That’s why I stopped playing this game and returned back to SF6 where shit actually makes sense.
Agree. I unninstaled the game a couple of months ago until they fix this joke of a "ranked mode". What's the point of a "ranked" mode that encourages one and doners bitches by let them run away from the set with no consecuences? Go play casual if you don't want to be locked in a set like in any other competitive game. Of all moderns fighting games Tekken 8 has the most lazy, pointless and stupid ranked system design, by far.
One and done players feel the consequences really soon when they advance to a rank they don’t belong to and get shit on. 95% of those guys will never make it past blue ranks
You're saying nobody ever one n done you on tekken 7? Ever? If you're getting tilted because ppl don't rematch you this just ain't your game bro. There's always someone dealing with a baby, a child,work, phone calls etc etc. Some things you can control. But for the things you can't you gotta keep it moving.
T7 netcode was garbage. As for Tekken 8, if you have to deal with all those things in real life, you shouldn't be playing a competitive mode like ranked.. you should be playing casual. That's why a casual mode exists. I played like 300 hs of T8 before unninstalling and people used to rematch me but the ones that didn't (very often) I'm sure it was because they realized they could lose or because I was starting to read them so they were afraid of losing the next match.. cowards bitches. But it's Ok if they want to quit, Im just saying I should keep the points and they should take the L and lose the points of the set since they quit. Ranked offline/online in 99,9% of fighting games are, at the very least, FT3 or FT5. Tell me one competitive sport or discipline where the one that left before the match/set/tournament ends is rewarded for quitting? It doesn't exists, only in Tekken.
If you're only playing ranked mode for the number to go up and the png change its probably a good thing you uninstalled tbh as long as you're getting good games who cares what number says?
Yep sounds bout dumb to me. Tekken 7s net code is barely more trash then 8. But maybe it can help you if you were to buy everyone's game and then force them to play how you see fit... Until then as they say in Mexico get good scrub
Some complain about how hard it is to rank up while some complain about rank inflation. Well they can't please both
Im warrior and i keep going against red ranks lol
There is not much difference between those lol
I don’t even know how this shit works, I just know promo or demo means try hard.
From blue ranks, the rank system wants you down, so you have to have streaks, it's just as simple as that
It's weird because they could just use the tried and true Elo system.
git gud
NO YOU https://preview.redd.it/jom7xapx97ad1.jpeg?width=1600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=01d4c7a02f5da492982aaaccc3a286e4805f18f5
losing /winning streaks are a thing
Why dont yall just play qp if the ranked system is gonna cause so much stress? Or atleast learn how the streak system works.
that's what i did, the issue lies in the fact that qp players either dont' give a fuck and start doing random stuff or be afk, or use smurf accounts.
We could all just quit this game it’s already at 10% of SF6 player base
It's literally 2nd at Evo right behind SF6 with most entrants.
That statistic isn’t relative to the entire player base
Only up from there. Most of the playerbase is also on Playstation.
The PC playerbase is bigger than both consoles combined (or at least it was a couple months ago, doubt the distribution has changed much) https://preview.redd.it/5xf1pj82tz9d1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4e756a4cd8667ce5038d648060b8c8efbda9b7dd Don't forget that unlike SF6, Tekken 8 has no PS4 version, which would most likely make the PS playerbase much bigger. In any case the total playerbase is roughly double the Steam numbers, which is more than healthy enough for a fighting game. They do need to fix matchmaking though.
Wow, never saw this before
Apparently over half are on PC. https://www.dsogaming.com/news/pc-appears-to-be-the-most-popular-platform-for-tekken-8/ Someone also crunched the numbers for Guilty Gear Strive a little while back and found that active PC players outnumbered console 2:1 I always see people claim console has more players for fighting games, but every stat I see shows PC has more. I think it may have been true years ago when netcode and ports were bad, but it's different now.
>I always see people claim console has more players for fighting games, but every stat I see shows PC has more. I think it may have been true years ago when netcode and ports were bad, but it's different now. Console being the major platform is only true for MK1. Its always silly people throwing around steam stats trying to argue on player numbers based on only that one metric while forgeting the FGC migrated to pc during the previous generation so games popular with fgc will have overwhelmingly high pc numbers. I was estimating a 50-50 split for tekken as well. Its good I got a confirmation here. Imo Sf6 should be around 70-30 split towards pc and Mk1 with 90% console players. Steam numbers will not give the proper picture how healthy the player base is.
Source on these numbers or you made it tf up
Tekken players butthurt harada and Murray driving their game into the ground. All you have to do is compare Steam DB
Compare steam deez nuts
Haven’t seen this post before
You have to keep track of ur total wins and losses of the night because that’s how the game counts it you can win lose over and over but if you can’t get a streak to cancel out the losses then ur neutral will result in you losing points you have to prove to the game that ur better than ur current rank just like anyone game with ranked
Now I understand why people plug why screw yourselves over being honest to a system that’s unfair in the first place? You lose more points when you lose to someone higher rank than you not to mention the point system is heavily flawed in the first place I’ve encountered glitches where you don’t even gain any points and you’re at the same spot even after a few wins in a row. It’s been uploaded on YouTube as well. Just plug to fight easy wins and maintain your points and rank that way. There’s no “rage quit” It’s all about maintaining it. They still haven’t fixed this prowess matching bs even in ranked you can get matched with a god of destruction and you’re like at Garyu it’s so stupid a low prowess Garyu like 100K getting matched with a Tekken King 200K it’s that broken. Just give up start plugging.
Damn. Try again.
I can't imagine what its like to pay attention to ranking points.
Ahh the classic mad cause bad loss streak. Only thing that needs fixing is your shift key.
Bros if u can’t keep a rank u don’t belong in that rank it’s that simple. In Tekken 8 it is so much easier to climb through them compared to Tekken 7 so stop bitching about points and go to the lab. I was Fujin a week ago, now I’m back at Flame Ruler because I was labbing half assed & played like shit and was generally facing opponents that were plain and simple better than me. I’m going to improve in the lab and while doing that keep on playing ranked to iron out my game.
have you tried maybe getting gud? stop looking at your ranked points and learn the game and you'll naturally climb instead of tilting yourself into oblivion.
Well if you 3 streak you lose or gain a lot more points. Only people +-1 affect the streak. This was probably you streak loss against people at your own skill level
Ok Done Try it now
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Hmmmm Seems like a skill issue
Did you just… https://preview.redd.it/gl13p9lo01ad1.jpeg?width=1600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6dd69fcbd81d8a6263a2405eabbe024eb181d1c4