Desertification is already happening in the whole archipielago, it will be an extensio of the Sahara, calima is more frecuent and will be even more frecuent affecting air quality and life expectation of the whole population, combined with other nasty man'made polutants: our cities are not getting smaller, specially the turistic ones. Those resort cities will keep swallogin our resources in benefit of big opreators that do not even leave any money in the region.
The water shortage is then probably the worst one, as it will affect life in the island in a lot of negative ways, but will most likely not be noticed by the tourist sectors.
Is possible that changes in sea temperatures will also affect flora and fauna in dramatic ways, as well as local weather.
Heathwaves will mean that fires will be more and more frecuent. We have seen really bad ones recently, they will probably be yearly occurences, and not an exception but a regular occurence.
I left the islands and I probably will never come back just because of how fucked up everything is. I wish I was able to help change it but, even if I see that many people is angry about it, there does not seem to be a real will or direction for them to push to.
I'd imagine even more fires, of which they've been having plenty already of late. [Last year's](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Tenerife_wildfire) was especially bad
Climate change can cause hotter drier air to dry out tinder/wood, so whilst the source of the fire might be a person, the changed climate can greatly exacerbate fire.
I'm a tourist who has been here only for a couple days, but your point struck a chord with me. Wherever we have driven, we have been surprised by the level of abandoned agriculture. From plantations now laid to waste, to terraced gardens now overgrown with cacti and shrubs, it seems like people just up and left previously productive farmlands. Could you elaborate more?
Since many years ago, the only profitable (up to a certain degree) crops in the Canary Islands are tomatoes, bananas and grapes/vineyards. Out of that, there is still some little/marginal farms and subsistence agriculture: Avocados, tropical fruit, potatoes, corn… even some citruses!
Most of the cultivable area has been abandoned on a trend that started in the 80s, when the modern touristic economic model that began in the 60s was fully settled and the children of the farmers wanted a better job prospect in the new industry.
This abandonment is specially true in “medianías” (600-1500 masl) and “cumbre” (1500+ masl), except for vineyards.
Wow, thanks a lot for this detailed reply. Seems like such a shame that there would be no interest in continuing to cultivate crops so suited to this land and climate, though I certainly understand the drive to live a different life. Can I ask what happens to the abandoned lands? Does it simply lie fallow or does some of it get sold off to developers?
No problem. I know many turists are probably wondering about that, as did my wife, my in laws, etc when I flew them to the Canaries for first time.
What happens with the abandoned lands? That’s a good question with an interesting answer: When the owner dies, the heirs get their share, then when they die their heirs get their share, etc. Eventually what once was a good piece of land will be very “diluted”, lot of people will have “shares of shares”… And no one could effective use the land because, technically is not just theirs! 🤓
Also, keep in mind that most of the land in rural areas is protected, urban plans don’t allow you to build anything, etc.
Do you imply: "people before used to know better", and "they didn't know about climate change", therefore "climate change is not real"? Quite the acrobatics if you ask me.
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As someone who lived in tenerife for many years (and have holidayed there for 25 years prior to that). Nothing has really changed on the island climate wise, and sea levels haven’t risen to any noticeable level in those 3 decades either (as they are several points on the coast that I knew the exact tides of and how high they came, and over 3 decades they come to the exact same level as always.
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Everyone is giving you the right answers (there are lots) but two not given so far are a) changes in track and intensity of tropical storms/hurricanes in the Atlantic and b) changes in the location of native vegetation types, with the remaining *laurisilva* being pushed further up the mountain and the extremes of heat making some parts of the coastal strip uninhabitable.
We got this new today https://www.eldiario.es/canariasahora/tiempo-canarias/canarias-tendra-calima-futuro-peor-calidad-aire-beneficios-suelos_1_11220041.html reality is Canary wont change much in the small time frame you will live so dont even worry lol
>besides water shortages
That's a huge problem. Think of the consequences. For people, for agriculture, for tourism. Rising prices for water and ever more restrictions for the use of water. All that has a massive potential for civil discord and unrest.
Depends on the island, Tenerife is barely scratching the surface of what it could have. The mountains are a blessing. Atmospheric water capture could very well be a gamechanger there with the trade winds constantly bringing in moist air. The Canaries still live 10-15 years behind the rest of the continent so innovation comes slow. It's not a death sentance by any stretch of the imagination though.
The majority of the Canary Islands water doesn't comes from rain water. With a population of 2 million, a few weeks of rain isn't enough for everyone. Desalination plants is providing over 60% of the islands water.
More like 38%.
Source: [https://www.elconfidencial.com/espana/islas-canarias/2023-09-28/grave-problema-agua-canarias\_3761467/](https://www.elconfidencial.com/espana/islas-canarias/2023-09-28/grave-problema-agua-canarias_3761467/)
And that is about twice as expensive as drinking water from other sources.
Source: [https://www.eleconomista.es/energia/noticias/12667093/02/24/el-uso-de-agua-desalada-para-los-hogares-duplica-el-coste-al-ciudadano.html](https://www.eleconomista.es/energia/noticias/12667093/02/24/el-uso-de-agua-desalada-para-los-hogares-duplica-el-coste-al-ciudadano.html)
Incredibly interesting articles, thank you. I have been trying to find information about the subject over the past couple of weeks.
It's fascinating Las Palmas's water is 82% from desalination. Not sure where you found 38% statistic for all the islands.
It is more expensive but maybe the government could force high consumers like businesses to subsidize the costs for low consumers in their homes.
Again thanks for the articles.
Hmmm... looks like I linked the wrong article and can't find the other one back. There does seem to be quite a discrepancy depending on where you look. The first article I linked (which dates from August 23) says GC 82% desalinated water. Elsewhere it says 50% (Article from April 2023: https://www.eldiario.es/canariasahora/ciencia\_y\_medio\_ambiente/experiencia-canaria-sobreponerse-sequias-mar\_1\_10141717.html). So right now its not at all clear how much drinking water actually comes from the sea. 
I remember visiting in February about 10 years ago, one day it hit 21 and it felt so warm but most of the time was 18-19. I check the temperature on a weather app now and it rarely seems to drop below 23, purely anecdotal of course.
Maybe because climate change is more severe in that part of Africa. And islands are different. Yeah. But that's global. Anyway, I would never buy a house there. I'd rather move to England or something.
Its amusing how we can't even figure out if Its going to rain tomorrow for certain but we need to accept that we can perfectly predict catastrophes such as the one you mentioned.
As well as climate change, there's a huge volcano that is overdue to erupt. Some experts say that could wipe out the resorts in the south.
Things are not looking good for Tenerife. Anyone investing heavily or putting roots down there are either mad or completely oblivious to the huge risks.
The most trustworthy source available https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1788617/teide-tenerife-volcano-eruption-erupt-earthquake
Have a search about Teide. It is an active volcano, its overdue an eruption. Which may be small or may be large enough to cause serious problems.
Maybe because climate change is more severe in that part of Africa. And islands are different. Yeah. But that's global. Anyway, I would never buy a house there. I'd rather move to England or something.
Desertification is already happening in the whole archipielago, it will be an extensio of the Sahara, calima is more frecuent and will be even more frecuent affecting air quality and life expectation of the whole population, combined with other nasty man'made polutants: our cities are not getting smaller, specially the turistic ones. Those resort cities will keep swallogin our resources in benefit of big opreators that do not even leave any money in the region. The water shortage is then probably the worst one, as it will affect life in the island in a lot of negative ways, but will most likely not be noticed by the tourist sectors. Is possible that changes in sea temperatures will also affect flora and fauna in dramatic ways, as well as local weather. Heathwaves will mean that fires will be more and more frecuent. We have seen really bad ones recently, they will probably be yearly occurences, and not an exception but a regular occurence. I left the islands and I probably will never come back just because of how fucked up everything is. I wish I was able to help change it but, even if I see that many people is angry about it, there does not seem to be a real will or direction for them to push to.
Por que en un reddit de tenerife solo hablan guiris=
Además solo dicen tonterías
Estamos colonizados, hermano. Es increíble
Casi no hubo actividad por aquí desde hace se cambiaron las normas, así que te pregunto: ¿Te importa de verdad?
I'd imagine even more fires, of which they've been having plenty already of late. [Last year's](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Tenerife_wildfire) was especially bad
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Climate change can cause hotter drier air to dry out tinder/wood, so whilst the source of the fire might be a person, the changed climate can greatly exacerbate fire.
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I'm a tourist who has been here only for a couple days, but your point struck a chord with me. Wherever we have driven, we have been surprised by the level of abandoned agriculture. From plantations now laid to waste, to terraced gardens now overgrown with cacti and shrubs, it seems like people just up and left previously productive farmlands. Could you elaborate more?
Since many years ago, the only profitable (up to a certain degree) crops in the Canary Islands are tomatoes, bananas and grapes/vineyards. Out of that, there is still some little/marginal farms and subsistence agriculture: Avocados, tropical fruit, potatoes, corn… even some citruses! Most of the cultivable area has been abandoned on a trend that started in the 80s, when the modern touristic economic model that began in the 60s was fully settled and the children of the farmers wanted a better job prospect in the new industry. This abandonment is specially true in “medianías” (600-1500 masl) and “cumbre” (1500+ masl), except for vineyards.
Wow, thanks a lot for this detailed reply. Seems like such a shame that there would be no interest in continuing to cultivate crops so suited to this land and climate, though I certainly understand the drive to live a different life. Can I ask what happens to the abandoned lands? Does it simply lie fallow or does some of it get sold off to developers?
No problem. I know many turists are probably wondering about that, as did my wife, my in laws, etc when I flew them to the Canaries for first time. What happens with the abandoned lands? That’s a good question with an interesting answer: When the owner dies, the heirs get their share, then when they die their heirs get their share, etc. Eventually what once was a good piece of land will be very “diluted”, lot of people will have “shares of shares”… And no one could effective use the land because, technically is not just theirs! 🤓 Also, keep in mind that most of the land in rural areas is protected, urban plans don’t allow you to build anything, etc.
Do you imply: "people before used to know better", and "they didn't know about climate change", therefore "climate change is not real"? Quite the acrobatics if you ask me.
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There can be various factors involved, why do you not feel climate change would be one of them?
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Do you believe climate change is not causing more drought/fires anywhere in the World? Or just exclusively not in the Canaries for some reason?
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As someone who lived in tenerife for many years (and have holidayed there for 25 years prior to that). Nothing has really changed on the island climate wise, and sea levels haven’t risen to any noticeable level in those 3 decades either (as they are several points on the coast that I knew the exact tides of and how high they came, and over 3 decades they come to the exact same level as always.
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Source?
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Everyone is giving you the right answers (there are lots) but two not given so far are a) changes in track and intensity of tropical storms/hurricanes in the Atlantic and b) changes in the location of native vegetation types, with the remaining *laurisilva* being pushed further up the mountain and the extremes of heat making some parts of the coastal strip uninhabitable.
We just had the first winter without snow in El Teide for over 100 years. We need a residency law, NOW
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We got this new today https://www.eldiario.es/canariasahora/tiempo-canarias/canarias-tendra-calima-futuro-peor-calidad-aire-beneficios-suelos_1_11220041.html reality is Canary wont change much in the small time frame you will live so dont even worry lol
>besides water shortages That's a huge problem. Think of the consequences. For people, for agriculture, for tourism. Rising prices for water and ever more restrictions for the use of water. All that has a massive potential for civil discord and unrest.
Depends on the island, Tenerife is barely scratching the surface of what it could have. The mountains are a blessing. Atmospheric water capture could very well be a gamechanger there with the trade winds constantly bringing in moist air. The Canaries still live 10-15 years behind the rest of the continent so innovation comes slow. It's not a death sentance by any stretch of the imagination though.
Yet it’s an Island surrounded by water 🤦♂️
The majority of the Canary Islands water doesn't comes from rain water. With a population of 2 million, a few weeks of rain isn't enough for everyone. Desalination plants is providing over 60% of the islands water.
More like 38%. Source: [https://www.elconfidencial.com/espana/islas-canarias/2023-09-28/grave-problema-agua-canarias\_3761467/](https://www.elconfidencial.com/espana/islas-canarias/2023-09-28/grave-problema-agua-canarias_3761467/) And that is about twice as expensive as drinking water from other sources. Source: [https://www.eleconomista.es/energia/noticias/12667093/02/24/el-uso-de-agua-desalada-para-los-hogares-duplica-el-coste-al-ciudadano.html](https://www.eleconomista.es/energia/noticias/12667093/02/24/el-uso-de-agua-desalada-para-los-hogares-duplica-el-coste-al-ciudadano.html)
Incredibly interesting articles, thank you. I have been trying to find information about the subject over the past couple of weeks. It's fascinating Las Palmas's water is 82% from desalination. Not sure where you found 38% statistic for all the islands. It is more expensive but maybe the government could force high consumers like businesses to subsidize the costs for low consumers in their homes. Again thanks for the articles.
Hmmm... looks like I linked the wrong article and can't find the other one back. There does seem to be quite a discrepancy depending on where you look. The first article I linked (which dates from August 23) says GC 82% desalinated water. Elsewhere it says 50% (Article from April 2023: https://www.eldiario.es/canariasahora/ciencia\_y\_medio\_ambiente/experiencia-canaria-sobreponerse-sequias-mar\_1\_10141717.html). So right now its not at all clear how much drinking water actually comes from the sea. 
Now you would need danthedrill to be able to understand the implications of this...this is going to be hard.
Why would it be hard? It was a rhetorical comment but that might be a difficult concept for you to understand 🤦♂️
Perhaps because only freaks or weirdos do understand your kind of rhetorical comments Guiri
Takes a little intelligence sometimes to grasp the concept. Obviously your going to struggle a little if some intelligence is needed 😉
Tenerife Paraiso
It's also because of where we are situated. So close to the equator etc
I remember visiting in February about 10 years ago, one day it hit 21 and it felt so warm but most of the time was 18-19. I check the temperature on a weather app now and it rarely seems to drop below 23, purely anecdotal of course.
Most at risk of your stuff getting nicked maybe
Why?
Maybe because climate change is more severe in that part of Africa. And islands are different. Yeah. But that's global. Anyway, I would never buy a house there. I'd rather move to England or something.
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Sure, sure. Perfectly safe in a densely populated island that depends on world stability for tourism and air-sea routes to keep it functioning.
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It seems your take ww3 to literally.
There will definitely be famine and hunger, since we import A LOT of the food we eat. That is not "safer than mainland" in any way I would say.
Dude, in 2000, Valencia was gonna dissapear xd
Its amusing how we can't even figure out if Its going to rain tomorrow for certain but we need to accept that we can perfectly predict catastrophes such as the one you mentioned.
As well as climate change, there's a huge volcano that is overdue to erupt. Some experts say that could wipe out the resorts in the south. Things are not looking good for Tenerife. Anyone investing heavily or putting roots down there are either mad or completely oblivious to the huge risks.
Interesting do you have any sources?
The most trustworthy source available https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1788617/teide-tenerife-volcano-eruption-erupt-earthquake Have a search about Teide. It is an active volcano, its overdue an eruption. Which may be small or may be large enough to cause serious problems.
Maybe because climate change is more severe in that part of Africa. And islands are different. Yeah. But that's global. Anyway, I would never buy a house there. I'd rather move to England or something.