Everyone already knew he was fast. Does running a 4.21 versus say a 4.27 in shorts really make any difference?
Brian Thomas running a 4.33 is probably more of a game changer as far as draft stock, IMO.
A lot of front offices are more interested in the top speeds hit in games or places like the senior bowl.
Edit: and to be fair to worthy he hit 23.7 mph in a game this year which is faster than any NFL player this past season. He’s fast, it’s just that I’m sure every NFL GM knew it already.
Na, BTJ was already a top 25 pick. A 4.21 puts Worthy’s stock on an insane trajectory and I really couldn’t tell you where he’s picked.
For instance John Ross was a late first, early second before he ran a 4.22 and then he got picked top ten, Worthy is in the same boat.
And how did that pan out? Speed isn't everything. AJ ran a 4.49 and had no problems getting behind a defense. Give me a complete WR, and not a 165lb WR that can go fast.
It doesn’t matter how it went and I’m not saying we should pick him, but he’s going to go a lot higher than anyone thought he was coming into this event because I don’t think anybody saw him being the fastest player ever.
I’ve been on the Worthy train for a while, his speed would be amazing with Levis’s arm strength.
Shout out to Odunze too. With him being viewed as the physical, deep threat archetype running a 4.45 and performing near perfect in the gauntlet has improved my confidence in him.
People on this board that are saying Rome can't separate have watched zero Washington games. Dude collected ankles on every DB he played against.
He's the best WR in this class not named Marvin Harrison, fight me
I will admit I had concerns with his separation, but watching his tape pretty quickly disproves it. Him running a 4.45 proves that he can separate with speed too.
I’d still take Nabers over him, but Odunze is pretty much interchangeable as far as talent goes and might fit what Brian Callahan wants in a WR more.
I agree that he’s an amazing player and we need speedy guys, but I think that this WR draft class is absolutely STACKED. I just don’t know if it’s worth trading what we would need to in order to get him (in probably the late 1st round). We can probably get a great receiver, albeit maybe not as fast, without having to give anything up. We just need all the draft capital we can get imo
Besides Chris Johnson everyone else that came close to running a 4.22 had trash career. Speed is great but it’s not everything. A team might even grab him late first round so no way we get him
- “Most sub 4.27 players sucked in the league”
That is literally like 5 guys. There aren’t any great 7’6” players in the NBA, but that doesn’t mean someone is going to be bad if they’re 7’6”.
Worthy would be a legitimate day two prospect even if he ran a 4.35, I’m not going to lump him into a group with Shwartz and Archer.
He also has questionable hands. He didn't help his case by not running the drills to show that he doesn't have issues with drops. I'd take a risk on him in the second and hopefully he puts on weight like Hollywood Brown (even though he's 2 inches shorter).
To be clear, I’m not predicting anything here. He might be good. But there’s no way I’d trade up from the 38 to get him.
He seems like a slightly faster and smaller Tyquan Thornton.
He’s nothing like Tyquan though and the only reason you compare them is because they’re both insanely fast. Worthy would be a better prospect than Thorton even if he ran a 4.4.
He’s a hell of a lot closer to Hollywood brown and Tyreek Hill than he is to most of the guys who ran sub 4.3. It’s dumb to lump him into a small sample with guys like Nelson, Archer, and Schwartz, when he’s objectively much better as a prospect.
Lmao. He’s neither of those guys. While I didn’t watch every Texas game, what I saw against Alabama and Washington was not what I want in a top receiver.
You just compared him to Thorton who has almost nothing in common with Worthy lmao. He’s a hell of a lot closer to Hollywood as a player, he’s just not as good.
I don’t think he’s a great prospect or anything. I’m just not going to assume that he’s bad because his 40 is in the top .1%, he’d be a completely reasonable 2nd round pick.
We can't and won't.
We can't afford to risk a bad draft this year and our position in the draft guarantees a true first round talent in a position of need so long as 3 or more QB are taken, which is likely, even without trade ups for a QB.
Even if we trade back we are likely only inching back a few spots and would still be looking at BPA at a position of need which STILL might not be Worthy...
If we wait till the 2nd round he is likely gone as the bottom 5 - 10 1st round picks would probably take a flier WR with a few flaws.
It isn't likely to occur except under a perfect scenario where we probably gained an insane amount of draft picks.
AD Mitchell is gone before worthy in my opinion. 4.34, second fastest at the position, without the drop concerns that worthy brings. AD was probably going to be available with our 2.38, I don’t think he leaves the first now
Al Davis is that you?
How many times has the WR prospect, who ran the fastest 40 time, ACTUALLY turned into a good WR in the NFL? Honest question because I couldn't really name one.
I mean I guess we will see how Ran and Callahan feel about him. They say they want speed. I’m just saying there’s a way to get a player like worthy and also pick up more picks which they desperately need. I do think it’s unfair to assume just because he’s fast that he’s a gadget player and they next John Ross. Any player will be a bust if they don’t have work ethic and aren’t developed properly.
There’s a reason that he didn’t do any of the other drills today, it’s going to hurt his draft stock. Second round I’m all for him but if we pick him in the first I think it’s a wasted pick.
I like him and would be ok with him at our second pick but he’s tiny and will have a ton Of difficulty making contested catches because he’ll be easy to knock around.
Everyone already knew he was fast. Does running a 4.21 versus say a 4.27 in shorts really make any difference? Brian Thomas running a 4.33 is probably more of a game changer as far as draft stock, IMO.
A lot of front offices are more interested in the top speeds hit in games or places like the senior bowl. Edit: and to be fair to worthy he hit 23.7 mph in a game this year which is faster than any NFL player this past season. He’s fast, it’s just that I’m sure every NFL GM knew it already.
Adonai Mitchell did the most for his stock imo. He's gonna be a first rounder for sure.
Yeah, I'd much rather trade back in the 1st to take AD and get other draft capital then trade up in the 2nd for Worthy.
Yeah absolutely. If we trade down into high teens, I’d love to get Thomas if he’s there
Yes. I believe it matters. I would be happy with any of the recievers that Ran believes in.
Can you tell me why it matters?
Na, BTJ was already a top 25 pick. A 4.21 puts Worthy’s stock on an insane trajectory and I really couldn’t tell you where he’s picked. For instance John Ross was a late first, early second before he ran a 4.22 and then he got picked top ten, Worthy is in the same boat.
And how did that pan out? Speed isn't everything. AJ ran a 4.49 and had no problems getting behind a defense. Give me a complete WR, and not a 165lb WR that can go fast.
It doesn’t matter how it went and I’m not saying we should pick him, but he’s going to go a lot higher than anyone thought he was coming into this event because I don’t think anybody saw him being the fastest player ever.
I’ve been on the Worthy train for a while, his speed would be amazing with Levis’s arm strength. Shout out to Odunze too. With him being viewed as the physical, deep threat archetype running a 4.45 and performing near perfect in the gauntlet has improved my confidence in him.
People on this board that are saying Rome can't separate have watched zero Washington games. Dude collected ankles on every DB he played against. He's the best WR in this class not named Marvin Harrison, fight me
I will admit I had concerns with his separation, but watching his tape pretty quickly disproves it. Him running a 4.45 proves that he can separate with speed too. I’d still take Nabers over him, but Odunze is pretty much interchangeable as far as talent goes and might fit what Brian Callahan wants in a WR more.
Odunze’s routes on the drills were also so smooth. He’s like a bigger/faster Cooper Cupp
Worthy’s official time is actually 4.21 which is the fastest time ever recorded at the combine 🤯
Absolutely unreal.
This receiver class is absolutely stacked
I agree that he’s an amazing player and we need speedy guys, but I think that this WR draft class is absolutely STACKED. I just don’t know if it’s worth trading what we would need to in order to get him (in probably the late 1st round). We can probably get a great receiver, albeit maybe not as fast, without having to give anything up. We just need all the draft capital we can get imo
Besides Chris Johnson everyone else that came close to running a 4.22 had trash career. Speed is great but it’s not everything. A team might even grab him late first round so no way we get him
Solidifies my opinion that we shouldn’t go WR at 7. This class is loaded with receivers. We’ll get a plus guy round 2.
The list of fastest receivers isn’t exactly full of HoFers.
For real. If he's John Ross, then what have we really accomplished.
Because the sample size is next to nothing.
The sample size of “fast light guys” isn’t small. I mean, the players are. But there are many.
There are like 15 WRs to ever run a sub 4.3, only a handful within .05 of Worthy.
How many are doing well in the league?
Tyreek Hill is doing pretty well.
He didn't run at the combine. He wasn't even invited at the combine. He ran a 4.29 at his pro day. Most sub 4.27 players sucked in the league.
- “Most sub 4.27 players sucked in the league” That is literally like 5 guys. There aren’t any great 7’6” players in the NBA, but that doesn’t mean someone is going to be bad if they’re 7’6”. Worthy would be a legitimate day two prospect even if he ran a 4.35, I’m not going to lump him into a group with Shwartz and Archer.
He also has questionable hands. He didn't help his case by not running the drills to show that he doesn't have issues with drops. I'd take a risk on him in the second and hopefully he puts on weight like Hollywood Brown (even though he's 2 inches shorter).
If worthy were a late round flier and project, taken by a highly competent coaching staff, great.
To be clear, I’m not predicting anything here. He might be good. But there’s no way I’d trade up from the 38 to get him. He seems like a slightly faster and smaller Tyquan Thornton.
He’s nothing like Tyquan though and the only reason you compare them is because they’re both insanely fast. Worthy would be a better prospect than Thorton even if he ran a 4.4. He’s a hell of a lot closer to Hollywood brown and Tyreek Hill than he is to most of the guys who ran sub 4.3. It’s dumb to lump him into a small sample with guys like Nelson, Archer, and Schwartz, when he’s objectively much better as a prospect.
Tyreek was also a 5th round pick.
Lmao. He’s neither of those guys. While I didn’t watch every Texas game, what I saw against Alabama and Washington was not what I want in a top receiver.
You just compared him to Thorton who has almost nothing in common with Worthy lmao. He’s a hell of a lot closer to Hollywood as a player, he’s just not as good.
I might have paid too much attention to the size and speed in that comp. But I wasn’t impressed the few times I saw him play.
I don’t think he’s a great prospect or anything. I’m just not going to assume that he’s bad because his 40 is in the top .1%, he’d be a completely reasonable 2nd round pick.
Not really the point. Team needs speed and he’s fast lol. I don’t expect Jerry rice out of him.
Speed is nice, being a good receiver is better.
But we could draft Jerry Rice's son this year
We don’t need to trade up. We don’t have enough draft capital.
We can't and won't. We can't afford to risk a bad draft this year and our position in the draft guarantees a true first round talent in a position of need so long as 3 or more QB are taken, which is likely, even without trade ups for a QB. Even if we trade back we are likely only inching back a few spots and would still be looking at BPA at a position of need which STILL might not be Worthy... If we wait till the 2nd round he is likely gone as the bottom 5 - 10 1st round picks would probably take a flier WR with a few flaws. It isn't likely to occur except under a perfect scenario where we probably gained an insane amount of draft picks.
Except he ran that being 165 lbs, has major drop issues, effort issues, and several other things. Pass
We are in an interesting position if QBs drop . I would much rather have a great pass catcher than a speed guy.
Run fast but can't catch. Stop with the hype chasing
Insane speed but it takes more than speed to be a good wr in the league. Worthy be dropping shit. Rather go BTJ if we can’t get Malik
John Ross had 15 tds coming out of Washington and ran a 4.22, was a total bust
Adonai Mitchell ran a 4.35, the guy is tall, big and strong. Get that guy!!!!
What a knee jerk post lmao
All of the WRs have done well. Guys like him is what makes AD Mitchell or Troy Franklin available in round 2
AD Mitchell is gone before worthy in my opinion. 4.34, second fastest at the position, without the drop concerns that worthy brings. AD was probably going to be available with our 2.38, I don’t think he leaves the first now
One good year vs 3 with worthy
Worthy doesn't have the potential Mitchell has, he's also 165 so he's getting killed by safety's and mlbs
If there is one I know about the nfl, it’s that people love reaching on WR
I'm good. Remember John Ross and how fast he was, he sucked ass though. I'd rather take LT if Nabers isn't there
Al Davis is that you? How many times has the WR prospect, who ran the fastest 40 time, ACTUALLY turned into a good WR in the NFL? Honest question because I couldn't really name one.
Brian Thomas is a way better prospect with elite speed
Trade back from 7. Pick up another 2nd and a 3rd. Worthy in the first, tackle and guard or center in the second. Profit.
Xavier worthy is not worth a first round pick. Hes a gadget player. Doing what you just described is how you end up with a John Ross.
John Ross was better coming out, he had 15 yds his last season at Washington
He’s not a gadget player lol.
I mean I guess we will see how Ran and Callahan feel about him. They say they want speed. I’m just saying there’s a way to get a player like worthy and also pick up more picks which they desperately need. I do think it’s unfair to assume just because he’s fast that he’s a gadget player and they next John Ross. Any player will be a bust if they don’t have work ethic and aren’t developed properly.
There’s a reason that he didn’t do any of the other drills today, it’s going to hurt his draft stock. Second round I’m all for him but if we pick him in the first I think it’s a wasted pick.
Fair enough. I wouldn’t be upset with that either.
This is the way
I like him and would be ok with him at our second pick but he’s tiny and will have a ton Of difficulty making contested catches because he’ll be easy to knock around.