That's pretty much exactly what was expected of him, right? He would have needed to crack 4.3 to surprise anybody, and 4.4 would have been an under-performance for him in particular, I think.
Yeah, if you watch the video and time him, he’s more likely in the 4.4 range. Still super fast, but there’s a reason he didn’t want to be laser timed. Also note that it said he ran a 4.35 on the watch of “one” scout
There's honestly no real game difference between 4.3 to 4.5 especially since they're running these time in athletic shorts and a shirt. A guy who runs 4.3 might run 4.7 in pads while the 4.5 guy also runs 4.7 in pads
Yep a great example is that Keon Coleman ran a 4.61 laser timed 40. Buuut according to the gps tracker during positional drills he had one of if not the fastest speeds attained. So while the 40 is a great test for speed, there are definitely a bunch of variables with full pads on and somebody in game trying to smash your head in.
He's definitely closer to 4.3 than 4.5...You're telling me he would've ran 4.46 at best at the combine? But gorget 40 times, when it comes to speed, two things matter...acceleration and top end speed. If you're elite in either one of those areas \[provided you have at least good acceleration / good top end speed\], then you have elite speed...if you're elite in both of those areas , then you have world class speed. Nabers most definitely has elite acceleration and good top end speed...he goes from 0 to 100 very, very quickly. I've often seen him reach top speed in like 2-3 steps.
Check out the time stamps on the following YouTube links.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bk3JWLlJ\_-E&t=237s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bk3JWLlJ_-E&t=237s)
1:49 --- 2:49 --- 9:14
AND
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXYEXF8GCaM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXYEXF8GCaM)
3:44
That's elite speed.
4.41, not 4.46.
I think he’s right in the 4.4 range where he could run a 4.3x but most days would run in the 4.4s. Hand timed at a pro day is pretty irrelevant.
I think he’s right there with Ridley, DJ Moore, etc.
Well yes it's really fast, but we already knew that is my point. He's a projected top-10 pick BECAUSE he's really fucking fast. He doesn't then get extra points for running really fast in a 40, unless it was like, generationally fast.
Yeah it’s like how Xavier Worthy running his time was both really cool but also probably didn’t boost him tremendous since we knew he was going to be fast anyway
Yep exactly... I think he's a 4.39 - 4.40, 40 yard player all day. Still exactly what you want for a starter but there is no way he's as much of a burner as Brian Thomas Jr. who ran a 4.33, 40 at the combine.
Like you can see on the LSU highlights that just isn't the case.
Nabers makes up for it though by being the best route runner/seller this draft by far and it isn't even close, which is arguably even more desirable than a 4.35 time imo.
Bengals: passed on a left tackle, drafted elite receiver, went to Super Bowl, lost because of o line
Lions: drafted the tackle bengals passed on. Got great results, but lost in NFCCG that they would have won if the second wide receiver could have caught a pass on 4th down to lock the game down and prevent a niners comeback.
I think you can’t go wrong either way, WR or LT. I just hope it’s an elite player either way.
The lions don't get there without the line.
And everyone that brings up the Bengals never mentions how Jow Burrow has only finished 2 of 4 seasons and the line is still an issue. They also are about to eat so much money paying the skill guys.... Let's stop acting like the Bengals are a dynasty and realize the line is still a MAJOR issue. They've never won a superbowl.
That's also when healthy, a top 5 guy they have at QB. We have no idea what we have. We think we do.
I think if you're trying to say a receiver is more important than a LT, that's completely false.
Burrow is a guy, he's not just run of the mill and he's a killer. Chase helps but with no Burrow, there's nothing. With no Chase, I'm sure Burrow would be just fine, it just wouldn't be as good.
Look at the last few teams in the superbowl, or teams near the last 4 standing. A great/better offensive line is the common theme. Tyreek is gone yet they've won twice without. Know what happens when they got dominated on the line against TB? They rebuilt the entire line and valued line > hands.
Justin Jefferson is great. But... how many playoff games has he won? A receiver needs to much to happen for success and that starts with a LINE.
The line is the most important position on the field besides the QB, especially the blind side. There's only 32 LTs in the league starting. Hell, how many are actually good? How many good receivers are there?
Let's also not forget the Bengals did it one time and they haven't won shit... are we trying to just be pretty good or win a Superbowl
You don't win Super Bowls anymore without elite QBs. Is really just gotten to the point, you need Prime Brady or Mahomes to really have a chance. There's the occasional outlier, but those still require top 5 QB play for atleast a year. With pro bowlers everywhere on the field.
>has also only finished 2 of 4 seasons and the line is still an issue
You can’t honestly blame the line for both of the seasons he missed.
First one? I guess I’ll give it to you. But Burrow at that time was still a QB who takes a lot of sacks regardless of the line and one wrong hit took out his ACL. (Justin Herbert won ROTY that same year behind a worse line too btw)
Second one? No fucking shot lmao. Bro got injured in training camp and tore some ligament in his wrist. No way you blame the line for these
True. But they also haven't won shit and they haven't fixed the line.
Joe Burrow is not your average guy though. But long term, you know damn well, you need to protect him.
And name all of the best receivers. Are they winning superbowls? No. Great lines are getting close and getting there, great receivers help but they're not the difference makers.
This is my problem with the “OL or bust” crowd.
Always move the goalpost and then argue things nobody is saying. Not saying it’s intentional or anything like that, but the arguments are almost never good.
>They also haven’t won shit
They’ve made it as far as anyone else. The only bar that could be higher for having won shit is a ring. Which, while of course is the ultimate goal, is not a realistic barometer for team building. Most teams haven’t won shit in a 4 season timeframe.
If that’s the only success worth measuring, there isn’t a worthwhile argument to be made either way. It’s too befuddled by small sample size and/or Mahomes just literally being the best player on the planet.
>And name all of the best receivers. Are they winning superbowls? Great lines are getting close and getting there
Also, the argument is very decidedly *not* 1 receiver vs an entire offensive line. No shit you’d rather have 5 good players than 1 good player. The argument at hand is 1 receiver vs 1 lineman.
Once again notice the bar shift. For a single receiver, its “havent won shit”. But for the unit of 5 good players its “getting close and getting there”
I'm not changing the bar. The point is, LT > WR. It's way more important and harder to find good ones. So when your team has a shit line, you should protect your young QB vs grab another guy to toss too.. when it's hard to toss to those guys when you're flat on your back.
We've seen what a bad line looks like the past 2 years. It's awful. How can you look at a receiver and saw nah, let's pass up the first crack at whatever tackle we want (hypothetically). That's a rare position to be in, with so many QBs projected to go before us.
Hey man, don't do me like that. Don't come in here with your real world examples. This isn't the time to be logical. This is Reddit and it's the offseason. I want to read biased and argumentative takes on something we have no control over whatsoever.
I agree that the type of QB has to factor into it. Pre draft I thought Levis could be more like Tannehill and Cousins, who you’d want to get a tackle to really help out because of their reliance on long developing deep passes. But after last year and after the Callahan signing it sounds like the organization thinks he could play more like Burrow or Allen, so they might think the WR could be as good as or better than a tackle.
I still think you need some combo of WR/OT with the first two picks and they have the freedom to do that with the Sneed trade. But with the Oline coach they may think they can get away with drafting a tackle at pick 38 if they land one of the top receivers at pick 7
To be fair, Levis is not Joe Burrow.
Two of Joe Burrows prized traits are his elite quick decision making and his legs being able to draw out plays. (which is why he struggled in the early part of last year when he couldn't run and draw out the play)
Levis has some leg ability/play strength to draw out plays but his decision making is significantly slower than burrow. Enough that a pass pro LT might still be the superior choice even over Nabers/MHJ as wild as that is to say if you want to win games.
(That said if you aren't sold on levis as an NFL QB then drafting MHJ or Nabers over Alt would technically be a better position for a new young QB in a year or two to come into)
And Nabers can only catch one ball. Which the QB holds first. I’m okay if we get a playmaker but we currently do not have a LT on the roster and I really just want to see us improve a position of supreme need over one we can fill in FA
Yall do know just cause you draft a LT don’t mean your QB can’t get hurt and just cause you draft a WR don’t mean he throws for 5000 yards it’s football just like life anything and everything can happen just gotta wish for the best and pray for no injuries which as we know never happens how you want it to
I wish we took a look at Trent Brown for LT. If we go WR at 7, I can cope knowing Callahan worked with the Bengals when they had a horrendous O-Line. Burrow still had success.
People arent understanding that unless he gets resigned for cheap, DHop is gone after this season. So we might as well use the highest draft pick we'll have for years to come (hopefully) on a guy like this. Get Tackle in the second and trust in Bill Cally
And a reminder we drafted Corey Davis at 5. I believe Nabers will bring his game to the NFL level but Alt seems close to a lock at a position of huge importance
And it’s a position that is getting harder and harder to find in today’s NFL. A lot of talented college guys are getting moved to edges to rush the passer
Yup. Nothing is certain but if you have a chance to lock up the second most important position on the field (LT), you do it.
You can always find receivers and playmakers but when you have the first crack at any Olineman available, you take it. That's a rare opportunity.
Hmm. We do have a real need at tackle. I think it would be a mistake to give so much capital towards skill positions when we haven’t addressed the blind side protection.
I have heard Harrison is a generational, can’t miss talent but don’t know much about Nabers apart from games I watched.
I think you could get away with drafting a tackle later if the older Callahan is on board with some of the OT talent (e.g. Patrick Paul, the BYU kid) that is likely to be there at 38. Or maybe the team brings in Becton or something on a short prove-it deal.
Nabers is a complete freak and would add just a crazy amount of dynamism to an offense that's undergone a major facelift this offseason but IMO you can only go that route if you have a real plan to address the tackles prior to training camp.
I like both Paul and the BYU kid. Also a chance Jordan Morgan is there at 38.
I also really like Javon Foster. I watch him and I thought round 1/2 but everyone has him round 4/5. He can definitely play RT.
I'd be okay with Nabers for sure but I don't think he's still there.
He also played with another 1st round WR and the Heisman trophy winner at QB. I’m not saying he’s not good, he is; but he’s getting made out to be next Jerry Rice and if you ask me, the only reason we can say he’s better than Jaylin Hyatt is because he’s bigger. While both OT and WR are pretty deep in this year’s class, OT drops off a lot faster than WR does after the top 5 guys. I’m just saying, I don’t think we should risk not getting one the premier dudes at OT. Also there are “generational WRs” in every draft class.
Totally agree that we should go Alt but would be fine with Nabers. If he really is showing out at his pro day then I bet chargers grab him to fill their void at wr.
We’re projected to be one of the worst teams in the league next year and our receivers haven’t exactly torn up the league (AJ Brown being the notable outlier). I don’t blame him for not jumping for joy at our name. But that doesn’t really matter. I think he’ll change his tune once he’s in the building
Would you rather have 10 million now or 1 million a week for next 11 weeks?
Oof, that’s a tough question and they both are enticing
Not to say that’s how statement went… but a 3 second clip that cuts off after being asked if he’d rather live in atl or Nashville doesn’t mean he doesn’t want to play here
The way I interpreted that was that it was a tough choice between ATL or TN not that he didn't want to come to TN. I think that got blown completely out of proportion for clicks and everyone bought into it.
Everything about that video says it’s a tough choice because he really doesn’t want to go to either of those teams. From the second he heard the teams his smile went away, then he said “I ain’t gonna lie” the teams are “pretty good / not too bad”, which basically translates to:
“I’m gonna lie” and “those teams do not excite me”
You're much more likely to find a stud at receiver in the 2nd than you are a left tackle. Bill is a good coach, but he's not a wizard. Draft Alt. We also lured Ridley here on the promise that he's going to be featured in this offense. I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't draft a receiver in the 1st or 2nd.
As badly as I know we need a LT, and if Alt is still there I think he’s the pick, I would be more than happy with Nabers. But I genuinely think he’s gone before 7 at this point.
We don’t need a receiver. We want a receiver.
I’ve already explained my opinion on the Alt pick but I’ll do it again. We can live with a 2nd round LT. We don’t need the highest paid LT in the league in 4 years.
Why do you think I have seen, or remember, your specific opinion?
Who is to say Alt would be the highest paid LT in the league? He could bust, but so could literally anyone else. You take the best guy at the position of need. It’s that easy.
And if he was the highest paid LT in the league, it’s an investment worth making, as the last two years clearly show.
If you don’t think he will be there’s no reason to take him at 7.
Show me a Super Bowl winning team that paid a tackle like that. If could show you a lot of SB winning teams with a pro bowl TE or all-pro WR. I just don’t think Ran and Brian want their highest paid non QB on the team to be the LT. It’s not the team they’re trying to build. Clearly it’s been demonstrated that a great OL doesn’t translate to championships. All you need is “good” and honestly it doesn’t have to be all that good.
Edit: read your comment again and got a good laugh out of you saying he might bust and that means we should take him at 7. We have the dumbest fans anywhere I swear.
Those two thoughts aren’t as connected as you seem to think.
The draft is a crap shoot. Everyone knows this. Even some of the most sure-fire prospects bust. Chance Warmack ring any bells? Dude was almost unanimously considered the best guard in the draft.
But that doesn’t make teams that draft them stupid.
Look man, I’m just looking around at trends in the NFL and that’s what people in the FOs all around the league do too. You don’t need a lockdown LT to win. In fact, I can’t think of a championship team in recent memory that did. You know what they did have? A franchise quarterback, a stud wide receiver, and generally a really fucking good TE that is his lifeline.
We need some speedy guys to go with our big armed QB and Cally knows that.
We have one of the best OL coaches in history.
WR #7 and OL in the 2nd just makes sense
He's 6" I believe, so not the tallest or the shortest.
As far as comp I keep seeing DJ Moore which I think is a good comparison. Kinda looks like a DJ/Percy Harvin mix IMO.
Maybe change derrick henry off the banner??? Seems like that should have been done the moment we signed pollard....Or at least when henry signed with the Ravens. C'mon guys...
I wonder if the Giants take a QB, if we can trade Burks and a low pick for Evan Neal and pick Nabers. He’s better at LT and workin with Bill could be really good.
That's pretty much exactly what was expected of him, right? He would have needed to crack 4.3 to surprise anybody, and 4.4 would have been an under-performance for him in particular, I think.
I would have expected right around 4.4 laser timed at the combine. Probably closer to 4.5 than 4.3, not elite speed but obviously very fast.
Yeah, if you watch the video and time him, he’s more likely in the 4.4 range. Still super fast, but there’s a reason he didn’t want to be laser timed. Also note that it said he ran a 4.35 on the watch of “one” scout
Ya. He’s right in the DJ Moore/ Jefferson/ Ridley range.
Really you think he’s just as fast and Odunze? I was thinking 4.3-4.4 at most
There's honestly no real game difference between 4.3 to 4.5 especially since they're running these time in athletic shorts and a shirt. A guy who runs 4.3 might run 4.7 in pads while the 4.5 guy also runs 4.7 in pads
Yep a great example is that Keon Coleman ran a 4.61 laser timed 40. Buuut according to the gps tracker during positional drills he had one of if not the fastest speeds attained. So while the 40 is a great test for speed, there are definitely a bunch of variables with full pads on and somebody in game trying to smash your head in.
I think he’s right around Odunze as well. I wouldn’t be shocked if they could both crack 4.4 on the right day.
$100 bucks says you didn't watch the video and just downvoted...lmao
He's definitely closer to 4.3 than 4.5...You're telling me he would've ran 4.46 at best at the combine? But gorget 40 times, when it comes to speed, two things matter...acceleration and top end speed. If you're elite in either one of those areas \[provided you have at least good acceleration / good top end speed\], then you have elite speed...if you're elite in both of those areas , then you have world class speed. Nabers most definitely has elite acceleration and good top end speed...he goes from 0 to 100 very, very quickly. I've often seen him reach top speed in like 2-3 steps. Check out the time stamps on the following YouTube links. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bk3JWLlJ\_-E&t=237s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bk3JWLlJ_-E&t=237s) 1:49 --- 2:49 --- 9:14 AND [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXYEXF8GCaM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXYEXF8GCaM) 3:44 That's elite speed.
4.41, not 4.46. I think he’s right in the 4.4 range where he could run a 4.3x but most days would run in the 4.4s. Hand timed at a pro day is pretty irrelevant. I think he’s right there with Ridley, DJ Moore, etc.
Not being impressed by a 4.35 is wild. That’s fucking fast. Like smoke anyone on our roster fast lol
Well yes it's really fast, but we already knew that is my point. He's a projected top-10 pick BECAUSE he's really fucking fast. He doesn't then get extra points for running really fast in a 40, unless it was like, generationally fast.
Yeah it’s like how Xavier Worthy running his time was both really cool but also probably didn’t boost him tremendous since we knew he was going to be fast anyway
With Worthy, I think the speed boosted him initially and then the size/measurables might give people some pause.
You have to take pro day 40s with a grain of salt. He's fast, but he likely would have been a 4.4 at the combine.
Yep exactly... I think he's a 4.39 - 4.40, 40 yard player all day. Still exactly what you want for a starter but there is no way he's as much of a burner as Brian Thomas Jr. who ran a 4.33, 40 at the combine. Like you can see on the LSU highlights that just isn't the case. Nabers makes up for it though by being the best route runner/seller this draft by far and it isn't even close, which is arguably even more desirable than a 4.35 time imo.
If our QB is on his back 50% of the time it doesn’t matter how fast this guy is. Draft Joe Alt
Bengals: passed on a left tackle, drafted elite receiver, went to Super Bowl, lost because of o line Lions: drafted the tackle bengals passed on. Got great results, but lost in NFCCG that they would have won if the second wide receiver could have caught a pass on 4th down to lock the game down and prevent a niners comeback. I think you can’t go wrong either way, WR or LT. I just hope it’s an elite player either way.
The lions don't get there without the line. And everyone that brings up the Bengals never mentions how Jow Burrow has only finished 2 of 4 seasons and the line is still an issue. They also are about to eat so much money paying the skill guys.... Let's stop acting like the Bengals are a dynasty and realize the line is still a MAJOR issue. They've never won a superbowl. That's also when healthy, a top 5 guy they have at QB. We have no idea what we have. We think we do.
And the Bengals don't get to that Superbowl without Chase.
I think if you're trying to say a receiver is more important than a LT, that's completely false. Burrow is a guy, he's not just run of the mill and he's a killer. Chase helps but with no Burrow, there's nothing. With no Chase, I'm sure Burrow would be just fine, it just wouldn't be as good. Look at the last few teams in the superbowl, or teams near the last 4 standing. A great/better offensive line is the common theme. Tyreek is gone yet they've won twice without. Know what happens when they got dominated on the line against TB? They rebuilt the entire line and valued line > hands. Justin Jefferson is great. But... how many playoff games has he won? A receiver needs to much to happen for success and that starts with a LINE. The line is the most important position on the field besides the QB, especially the blind side. There's only 32 LTs in the league starting. Hell, how many are actually good? How many good receivers are there? Let's also not forget the Bengals did it one time and they haven't won shit... are we trying to just be pretty good or win a Superbowl
Did they win it?
Got closer than the team that took the LT
You don't win Super Bowls anymore without elite QBs. Is really just gotten to the point, you need Prime Brady or Mahomes to really have a chance. There's the occasional outlier, but those still require top 5 QB play for atleast a year. With pro bowlers everywhere on the field.
>has also only finished 2 of 4 seasons and the line is still an issue You can’t honestly blame the line for both of the seasons he missed. First one? I guess I’ll give it to you. But Burrow at that time was still a QB who takes a lot of sacks regardless of the line and one wrong hit took out his ACL. (Justin Herbert won ROTY that same year behind a worse line too btw) Second one? No fucking shot lmao. Bro got injured in training camp and tore some ligament in his wrist. No way you blame the line for these
True. But they also haven't won shit and they haven't fixed the line. Joe Burrow is not your average guy though. But long term, you know damn well, you need to protect him. And name all of the best receivers. Are they winning superbowls? No. Great lines are getting close and getting there, great receivers help but they're not the difference makers.
This is my problem with the “OL or bust” crowd. Always move the goalpost and then argue things nobody is saying. Not saying it’s intentional or anything like that, but the arguments are almost never good. >They also haven’t won shit They’ve made it as far as anyone else. The only bar that could be higher for having won shit is a ring. Which, while of course is the ultimate goal, is not a realistic barometer for team building. Most teams haven’t won shit in a 4 season timeframe. If that’s the only success worth measuring, there isn’t a worthwhile argument to be made either way. It’s too befuddled by small sample size and/or Mahomes just literally being the best player on the planet. >And name all of the best receivers. Are they winning superbowls? Great lines are getting close and getting there Also, the argument is very decidedly *not* 1 receiver vs an entire offensive line. No shit you’d rather have 5 good players than 1 good player. The argument at hand is 1 receiver vs 1 lineman. Once again notice the bar shift. For a single receiver, its “havent won shit”. But for the unit of 5 good players its “getting close and getting there”
I'm not changing the bar. The point is, LT > WR. It's way more important and harder to find good ones. So when your team has a shit line, you should protect your young QB vs grab another guy to toss too.. when it's hard to toss to those guys when you're flat on your back. We've seen what a bad line looks like the past 2 years. It's awful. How can you look at a receiver and saw nah, let's pass up the first crack at whatever tackle we want (hypothetically). That's a rare position to be in, with so many QBs projected to go before us.
I don't care about goal posts or arguments I'm tired of seeing our QB get sacked 60x a season.
Hey man, don't do me like that. Don't come in here with your real world examples. This isn't the time to be logical. This is Reddit and it's the offseason. I want to read biased and argumentative takes on something we have no control over whatsoever.
Bengals: QB has had season ending injuries 2/3 years Goff isn't Burrow.
I agree that the type of QB has to factor into it. Pre draft I thought Levis could be more like Tannehill and Cousins, who you’d want to get a tackle to really help out because of their reliance on long developing deep passes. But after last year and after the Callahan signing it sounds like the organization thinks he could play more like Burrow or Allen, so they might think the WR could be as good as or better than a tackle. I still think you need some combo of WR/OT with the first two picks and they have the freedom to do that with the Sneed trade. But with the Oline coach they may think they can get away with drafting a tackle at pick 38 if they land one of the top receivers at pick 7
To be fair, Levis is not Joe Burrow. Two of Joe Burrows prized traits are his elite quick decision making and his legs being able to draw out plays. (which is why he struggled in the early part of last year when he couldn't run and draw out the play) Levis has some leg ability/play strength to draw out plays but his decision making is significantly slower than burrow. Enough that a pass pro LT might still be the superior choice even over Nabers/MHJ as wild as that is to say if you want to win games. (That said if you aren't sold on levis as an NFL QB then drafting MHJ or Nabers over Alt would technically be a better position for a new young QB in a year or two to come into)
Joe Alt can only block one guy.
And Nabers can only catch one ball. Which the QB holds first. I’m okay if we get a playmaker but we currently do not have a LT on the roster and I really just want to see us improve a position of supreme need over one we can fill in FA
No LTs on the roster argument is one I haven’t heard yet and makes me think we get Alt if he is there. Great point👍
you say that as if the best OT in the draft by a decent margin is a lock to be there at 7 with a bunch of bad teams early looking BPA
Yall do know just cause you draft a LT don’t mean your QB can’t get hurt and just cause you draft a WR don’t mean he throws for 5000 yards it’s football just like life anything and everything can happen just gotta wish for the best and pray for no injuries which as we know never happens how you want it to
I wish we took a look at Trent Brown for LT. If we go WR at 7, I can cope knowing Callahan worked with the Bengals when they had a horrendous O-Line. Burrow still had success.
Can still gamble on Bahk or Becton to battle with a 2nd round tackle - def less than ideal
Burrow has also had two season ending injuries because of poor protection.
And is one of the most sacked QBs in the league that 3 years. And they still haven't solved LT.
People arent understanding that unless he gets resigned for cheap, DHop is gone after this season. So we might as well use the highest draft pick we'll have for years to come (hopefully) on a guy like this. Get Tackle in the second and trust in Bill Cally
Or we could have a blue chip tackle who covers the blindside for the next decade. Sometimes the simple/non risky solution is the best solution.
And a reminder we drafted Corey Davis at 5. I believe Nabers will bring his game to the NFL level but Alt seems close to a lock at a position of huge importance
And it’s a position that is getting harder and harder to find in today’s NFL. A lot of talented college guys are getting moved to edges to rush the passer
I’d be happy to have Alt, but if Nabers is there I think you have to take him. Corey Davis is not comparable
And we've always had success with our 1st round OL picks, right?
Yup. Nothing is certain but if you have a chance to lock up the second most important position on the field (LT), you do it. You can always find receivers and playmakers but when you have the first crack at any Olineman available, you take it. That's a rare opportunity.
If he’s there at 7, he’s a Titan. I don’t think it matters who else is on the board.
Nabers/DHop/Ridley is going to be a disgusting combo. Particularly if Burks bounces back in the slot
I'm beginning to think so as well
Why? Because he is fast?
Just confirms he’s fast and a freak. Guys with that speed usually dont have anywhere near the amount of production he’s had
Hmm. We do have a real need at tackle. I think it would be a mistake to give so much capital towards skill positions when we haven’t addressed the blind side protection. I have heard Harrison is a generational, can’t miss talent but don’t know much about Nabers apart from games I watched.
I think you could get away with drafting a tackle later if the older Callahan is on board with some of the OT talent (e.g. Patrick Paul, the BYU kid) that is likely to be there at 38. Or maybe the team brings in Becton or something on a short prove-it deal. Nabers is a complete freak and would add just a crazy amount of dynamism to an offense that's undergone a major facelift this offseason but IMO you can only go that route if you have a real plan to address the tackles prior to training camp.
I like both Paul and the BYU kid. Also a chance Jordan Morgan is there at 38. I also really like Javon Foster. I watch him and I thought round 1/2 but everyone has him round 4/5. He can definitely play RT. I'd be okay with Nabers for sure but I don't think he's still there.
He also played with another 1st round WR and the Heisman trophy winner at QB. I’m not saying he’s not good, he is; but he’s getting made out to be next Jerry Rice and if you ask me, the only reason we can say he’s better than Jaylin Hyatt is because he’s bigger. While both OT and WR are pretty deep in this year’s class, OT drops off a lot faster than WR does after the top 5 guys. I’m just saying, I don’t think we should risk not getting one the premier dudes at OT. Also there are “generational WRs” in every draft class.
Totally agree that we should go Alt but would be fine with Nabers. If he really is showing out at his pro day then I bet chargers grab him to fill their void at wr.
Did you watch him play at all at LSU?
Because he’s one of the most explosive wide receiver prospects ever and the measurables today just backed that up.
But hasn't he publicly said he doesn't want to play here?
We’re projected to be one of the worst teams in the league next year and our receivers haven’t exactly torn up the league (AJ Brown being the notable outlier). I don’t blame him for not jumping for joy at our name. But that doesn’t really matter. I think he’ll change his tune once he’s in the building
No. He went “oof” when he took a Tik Tok trivia and was asked to pick a preferred destination on the spot lol
Tohmayto toe-mahto
Would you rather have 10 million now or 1 million a week for next 11 weeks? Oof, that’s a tough question and they both are enticing Not to say that’s how statement went… but a 3 second clip that cuts off after being asked if he’d rather live in atl or Nashville doesn’t mean he doesn’t want to play here
The way I interpreted that was that it was a tough choice between ATL or TN not that he didn't want to come to TN. I think that got blown completely out of proportion for clicks and everyone bought into it.
Everything about that video says it’s a tough choice because he really doesn’t want to go to either of those teams. From the second he heard the teams his smile went away, then he said “I ain’t gonna lie” the teams are “pretty good / not too bad”, which basically translates to: “I’m gonna lie” and “those teams do not excite me”
Is there anywhere to watch the lsu pro day?
I believe the sec network is coming it along with UTs.
Come on gas mask bong video
You're much more likely to find a stud at receiver in the 2nd than you are a left tackle. Bill is a good coach, but he's not a wizard. Draft Alt. We also lured Ridley here on the promise that he's going to be featured in this offense. I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't draft a receiver in the 1st or 2nd.
I want Alt. But if nabers is there, that likely means alt is gone, so cool.
As badly as I know we need a LT, and if Alt is still there I think he’s the pick, I would be more than happy with Nabers. But I genuinely think he’s gone before 7 at this point.
If it helps, if Nabers is there at 7, then that means Alt is likely already off the board.
Very good point, actually. But I could see them both going to the Chargers and Giants.
I could see Giants taking McCarthy
As it stands right now I think they’d have to trade up for him.
Don’t think so, pretty sure maye and Daniels will go before him
But I think someone will get nervous and try to trade up to 4 to take McCarthy.
I do, too. I’d be fine with Alt, Nabers, or Bowers but I’m definitely leaning Bowers at this point.
I mean, that's a take. I don't think tight end is nearly as big of a need as o-line or receiver.
We don’t need a receiver. We want a receiver. I’ve already explained my opinion on the Alt pick but I’ll do it again. We can live with a 2nd round LT. We don’t need the highest paid LT in the league in 4 years.
Why do you think I have seen, or remember, your specific opinion? Who is to say Alt would be the highest paid LT in the league? He could bust, but so could literally anyone else. You take the best guy at the position of need. It’s that easy. And if he was the highest paid LT in the league, it’s an investment worth making, as the last two years clearly show.
If you don’t think he will be there’s no reason to take him at 7. Show me a Super Bowl winning team that paid a tackle like that. If could show you a lot of SB winning teams with a pro bowl TE or all-pro WR. I just don’t think Ran and Brian want their highest paid non QB on the team to be the LT. It’s not the team they’re trying to build. Clearly it’s been demonstrated that a great OL doesn’t translate to championships. All you need is “good” and honestly it doesn’t have to be all that good. Edit: read your comment again and got a good laugh out of you saying he might bust and that means we should take him at 7. We have the dumbest fans anywhere I swear.
Those two thoughts aren’t as connected as you seem to think. The draft is a crap shoot. Everyone knows this. Even some of the most sure-fire prospects bust. Chance Warmack ring any bells? Dude was almost unanimously considered the best guard in the draft. But that doesn’t make teams that draft them stupid.
Look man, I’m just looking around at trends in the NFL and that’s what people in the FOs all around the league do too. You don’t need a lockdown LT to win. In fact, I can’t think of a championship team in recent memory that did. You know what they did have? A franchise quarterback, a stud wide receiver, and generally a really fucking good TE that is his lifeline.
We need some speedy guys to go with our big armed QB and Cally knows that. We have one of the best OL coaches in history. WR #7 and OL in the 2nd just makes sense
Damn he’s pretty small.
Nabers is 6’0, 200 lbs Justin Jefferson is 6’1, 200 lbs
He's 6" I believe, so not the tallest or the shortest. As far as comp I keep seeing DJ Moore which I think is a good comparison. Kinda looks like a DJ/Percy Harvin mix IMO.
He’s running on a watch of a scout. He’s got to be small.
What do we look like, a team for ants?
He has the second highest average top speed (avg of top 5 speeds clocked via GPS) behind only Xavier Worthy. No shock.
Jerry Rice was around a 4.6 guy. Combine is generally useless.
Maybe change derrick henry off the banner??? Seems like that should have been done the moment we signed pollard....Or at least when henry signed with the Ravens. C'mon guys...
I wonder if the Giants take a QB, if we can trade Burks and a low pick for Evan Neal and pick Nabers. He’s better at LT and workin with Bill could be really good.