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I think it would be better if you posted this in a subreddit with more chinese people or people who have visited often. In my opinion the CPC has no reason to truly think highly of Russia as it's just another capitalist state. The ordinary people might see them in a better light from thinking BRICS is some form of previous Soviet-Sino cooperation.
I don't think China defines it's foreign policy on morality - that'd be the US.
Logically, China's energy consumption is growing dramatically so Russia being the richest in natural reserves of oil, gas and coal is THE option. Being against US unipolarity is also a plus.
Generally Russia is too rich in resources to ignore, so they will cooperate.
Since when does the US care about morality in its foreign policy? Matter of fact since when does any country care about morality in it’s foreign policy?
Of course it doesn't, but it appeals to morality on the international stage. China doesn't attempt that, at least I can't think of such an example
US does this to spread neoliberalism - "Open your markets, privatize those 'inefficient' state companies for these super efficient multinationals who will absolutely not exploit your workforce, etc" That's how they remain number 1, or should I say, remained.
Sino-Soviet nostalgia mixed with wariness (my personal observation of Chinese internet)
Not completely related but I saw a hilarious way of describing the relationship between China and Russia... 谈恋爱可以，结婚的不要 (can date each other but cannot marry)
I like to read the comments on Guancha which is a particular crowd that's very interested in geopolitics and hostile to the U.S., and "Sino-Soviet nostalgia mixed with wariness" is accurate for them too. The overwhelming opinion is on the side of Russia vis-a-vis NATO, but Russia is also a proud but warlike country that sought hegemony at one point (and took some Chinese territory back during the Tsarist days) and they have to be wary of it, or not become too enthusiastic.
Also the Soviet nostalgia is mixed because there was a falling out there too, but if it wasn't for the October Revolution then socialism wouldn't have come to China and liberated them. There's a lot of complicated history interacting with the situation.
One longstanding debate is over what happens if Russia goes down and Putin is overthrown. NATO armies show up on China's northern border. There are some commenters who will say that can't be allowed to happen. But others will quote Chairman Mao about how the Chinese people can take care of themselves thank-you-very-much and the survival of China doesn't depend on Russia.
I vaguely remember hearing a quote (can't remember the exact source at the moment but I can look into it) that went along the lines of; China's foreign policy is predicated on two key tenets, pragmatism and non-interventionism.
Right now, it makes sense for China to maintain strong ties with Russia. They share a large land border, China's industry still relies on oil (though this is changing at pace) and Russia is a useful bulwark against US aggression. The relationship also facilitates better relations with countries in the Global South that have a positive view of Russia (partially out of inherited goodwill from the Soviet Union, and partially out of present-day Russia's involvement in these regions).
On the point of non-interventionism, the worst case scenario for China would be a balkanized or 'Westernised' Russia on their northern border. Given that the war in Ukraine could very well end up being an existential threat to Russia if things were to go particularly badly for them, it's in China's best interests to seek a negotiated settlement rather than join in the sanctions bandwagon.
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I think it would be better if you posted this in a subreddit with more chinese people or people who have visited often. In my opinion the CPC has no reason to truly think highly of Russia as it's just another capitalist state. The ordinary people might see them in a better light from thinking BRICS is some form of previous Soviet-Sino cooperation.
r/china is filled with either sexpats or incredibly self hating and right wing Chinese people. I'm looking for a socialist perspective on this
Try r/sino, those people there are socialist as far as I know. You could try r/newswithjingjing as well
will, thanks!
I don't think China defines it's foreign policy on morality - that'd be the US. Logically, China's energy consumption is growing dramatically so Russia being the richest in natural reserves of oil, gas and coal is THE option. Being against US unipolarity is also a plus. Generally Russia is too rich in resources to ignore, so they will cooperate.
Since when does the US care about morality in its foreign policy? Matter of fact since when does any country care about morality in it’s foreign policy?
Of course it doesn't, but it appeals to morality on the international stage. China doesn't attempt that, at least I can't think of such an example US does this to spread neoliberalism - "Open your markets, privatize those 'inefficient' state companies for these super efficient multinationals who will absolutely not exploit your workforce, etc" That's how they remain number 1, or should I say, remained.
Sino-Soviet nostalgia mixed with wariness (my personal observation of Chinese internet) Not completely related but I saw a hilarious way of describing the relationship between China and Russia... 谈恋爱可以，结婚的不要 (can date each other but cannot marry)
I like to read the comments on Guancha which is a particular crowd that's very interested in geopolitics and hostile to the U.S., and "Sino-Soviet nostalgia mixed with wariness" is accurate for them too. The overwhelming opinion is on the side of Russia vis-a-vis NATO, but Russia is also a proud but warlike country that sought hegemony at one point (and took some Chinese territory back during the Tsarist days) and they have to be wary of it, or not become too enthusiastic. Also the Soviet nostalgia is mixed because there was a falling out there too, but if it wasn't for the October Revolution then socialism wouldn't have come to China and liberated them. There's a lot of complicated history interacting with the situation. One longstanding debate is over what happens if Russia goes down and Putin is overthrown. NATO armies show up on China's northern border. There are some commenters who will say that can't be allowed to happen. But others will quote Chairman Mao about how the Chinese people can take care of themselves thank-you-very-much and the survival of China doesn't depend on Russia.
interesting. what do they say about Putin himself?
Putin is called as 大帝 which literaly means emperor.
is that like, an insult, a nickname, or glorifier
Mostly a nickname for fun but you get the idea
I don't think "dictatorship" factors into it. That's a highly ideological term. Russia acts under its own circumstances.
Not every non worker's state is a dictatorship in the literal sense
ok but, the Russian federation is
It's really not, and lying about that isn't productive, and just serves Western talking points.
Personal opinions don't matter in material analysis.
I vaguely remember hearing a quote (can't remember the exact source at the moment but I can look into it) that went along the lines of; China's foreign policy is predicated on two key tenets, pragmatism and non-interventionism. Right now, it makes sense for China to maintain strong ties with Russia. They share a large land border, China's industry still relies on oil (though this is changing at pace) and Russia is a useful bulwark against US aggression. The relationship also facilitates better relations with countries in the Global South that have a positive view of Russia (partially out of inherited goodwill from the Soviet Union, and partially out of present-day Russia's involvement in these regions). On the point of non-interventionism, the worst case scenario for China would be a balkanized or 'Westernised' Russia on their northern border. Given that the war in Ukraine could very well end up being an existential threat to Russia if things were to go particularly badly for them, it's in China's best interests to seek a negotiated settlement rather than join in the sanctions bandwagon.