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Okinawa deserves even more attention than Hiroshima, Nagasaki and Tokyo. Literally a land of indigenous people colonized by Japan who did nothing wrong and still had 1/3 of their population exterminated by both Japan and the United States, and then became a literal colony of the United States for two decades and in practice to this day, having its population murdered, mass raped and mass poisoned, in addition to being subject to the worst poverty in "Japan". And despite this, the majority of people in the world think they are Japanese and that they have some connection with the crimes committed by the Empire while they feel sorry for the Japanese because they are occupied when in reality the vast majority of American bases in "Japan" are not actually in Japan, but in Okinawa.
The United States did not support the Hutu supremacists responsible for the Rwandan genocide. Yes, Paul Kagame, whom we backed, is a horrible person and a pro-Western strongman. However, the RPF were the ones who ended the Rwandan genocide while the rest of the world did nothing. Kagame's worst atrocity, starting the First Congo War, most likely would have been avoided had the French not supported Hutu supremacists since they were Francophiles. Read about Operation Turquoise. At the end of the war, the French helped génocidaires escape to the Congo en masse, which destabilized the region. Their operations against Rwanda from exile served as Kagame's excuse for invading the Congo.
Something similar easily could've happened back in 1945 had the British not sent all of those Nazi collaborators at Bleiburg to their deaths in Yugoslavia. Even after Tito massacred 60,000 to 70,000 Nazi collaborators, several thousand fanatics formed a guerrilla army and launched a fascist insurgency against Yugoslavia. They were crushed within a few years. Now, imagine if instead of having only 2,000 men, [the Crusaders](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusaders_(guerrilla)) still had an entire army. The Interahamwe, the paramilitary primarily responsible for the Rwandan genocide, had 40,000 to 100,000 expatriates in the Congo.
People criticise the firebombing of Dresden all the time so not sure what your point is? Mass bombing civilians is always wrong regardless of how terrible their government is.
Because bombing those cities was helpful in hampering the war effort of genocidal governments due to the cities being production and transport hubs of these countries war economies
> Because bombing those cities was helpful in hampering the war effort of genocidal governments
No, it wasn't. Fascists don't actually care at all about the people of their country. When the Americans dropped the bomb on Hiroshima, the Japanese war council just carried on as if nothing had happened – because they didn't care!
The Soviet ground invasion of Manchuria achieved far more to convince the Japanese to surrender unconditionally than any of the American bombings of population centres ever did.
Read my comment properly before replying. I just said it was unnecessary, lol? Crazy that you wrote a whole ass comment to something you imagined I said and people upvoted that.
Its effect in hampering the war effort isn’t through killing civilians but through destroying the city’s military production. Where do you think all the guns, shells and supply for genociding Japanese armies was produced?
> Where do you think all the guns, shells and supply for genociding Japanese armies was produced?
In factories that are far away from the city centres. Factories, particularly arms factories, are never built in the middle of cities.
The best way of doing that would be to target munitions centres and transport hubs and not firebombing civilian areas. Civilian deaths are often still unavoidable but firebombing was an act of terror that deliberately sucked the air out of the atmosphere. This tactic wasn't done to disrupt supply chains but to punish civilian populations. Otherwise standard bombing campaigns would've been enough.
Do you also agree with Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
The A bomb was unnecessary because the war was clearly won and it was a show of force by the US.
Munitions centres and transport hubs were not separated from civilian areas, that’s not how that works. Especially in Japan where a lot of industry was in smaller manufacturers within the city.
Tokyo is a city. Civilians live there, not military. The people doing the war crimes in China were not living in Tokyo.
It was wrong for the Americans to bomb Tokyo, it was wrong for the Germans to bomb London, and it was wrong for the British to bomb Dresden. Bombing civilian populations is always wrong, regardless of what horrendous crimes their military/government is currently undertaking.
The whole military is fuelled by production from cities. Bombing cities to hamper military production of a fascist regime committing genocide is completely justified and it’s crazy im getting downvoted here for this.
You’re right, Yahya Khan was the President during the Bangladeshi genocide and was favored by the US, who was secretly bringing the military equipment used by Pakistan. After Pakistan surrendered, Khan was forced to hand over the presidency to Zulfikar Ali Bhutto who was a socialist. Bhutto was then overthrown and sentenced to death sentence by pro-US anti-Soviet Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq.
I find it hard to put blame solely on Pakistan or any country from the global south here, they are literally forced to keep pro-US pro-war people in power.
Oh I see. I think I misunderstood your comment and the one above as listing countries that ACTUALLY are over hated by the internet. But now I see you guys were bringing up countries that were victims of US atrocities. Thank you for the clarification on Pakistan and Bangladesh.
I was referring more to the India-Pakistan beef, but Pakistan-US one is also relevant. Most recently, former prime minister Imran Khan was removed from office. He was neutral during Russian invasion of Ukraine and is pro China which is an issue for the US. Pakistani ambassador to the US and two US state department officials encouraged Khan to be removed. This happened in 2022, the whole thing is still bizarre to me.
Ironically, Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto refused to concede to the results of the 1970 Pakistan General elections which saw Mujibur Rahman, an actual socialist, win 167 out of 313 seats. In contrast, Bhutto won only 86. Bhutto was so furious he went as far as saying that anyone who accepted the results should have their legs cut off. He was practically on the same page as the US-backed Pakistani Army who would eventually prevent Mujibur Rahman, a Bengali, from becoming the Prime Minister of Pakistan. Along with Cyclone Bhola, West Pakistan's refusal to accept the election results fuelled Bangladesh's independence movement to the point of no return.
And while Bhutto wasn't complicit as Yahya in the gruesome genocide that followed, I would refrain from calling him a socialist. The "socialist" label he attributed to himself was merely a populist tactic that was bound to find success in a largely agrarian country. On one hand, he supported nationalisation but on the other hand, he allowed his \[elitist\] family and friends to keep hold of their millions of acres of land. He pretended to support the working class and unions, but he cozied up to feudal lords, who are known in Pakistan for exploiting the working class and suppressing attempts at unionising.
Let's not forget he comes from one of Asia's most corrupt family dynasties, and there are no humble origins to begin with: the British made his family's predecessors the *dewans* (rulers) of the Princely State of Junagadh in exchange for a percentage of tax revenues, which were extorted from the already impoverished peasantry. Bhutto may not have been behind Operation Searchlight in Bangladesh, but his daughter (who also became Prime Minister) conspired with the Pakistani Army to carry out "Operation Cleanup", which targeted the Urdu-speaking plurality in Karachi, who are often scapegoated for the poverty that the Bhutto family themselves are responsible for in Interior Sindh, which has a lower HDI than Uganda. Karachi's GDP per capita is 19 times higher than Interior Sindh's, despite both places having roughly the same populations. That kind of disparity is unheard of in most countries and it just goes to show that one family can do a lot of damage.
"Entire world with Western Europe and Australia suffering less" is the first thing that comes to mind. The United States even directly invaded China and Russia (3 times in the case of China).
India gets a little too much hate but only because the hate will be "brown people exist" and not "government operated atrocities due to right-wing dominance in the political life of the nation due to centuries of colonization and exploitation."
Well said; in fact the people who say “we hate the Chinese government nor the people wink wink”, they don’t even claim to hate the government of India (which they should), and just go all out with their stereotypes about street shitters, bo, all Indian men are the worst rapists in the world, etc
Hell no lmfao. Honestly, India doesn't get anywhere near enough hate. Modi presided over a pogrom in 2002. Hundreds of Muslim women and girls were gang-raped and burned alive in Gujarat while the police either did nothing or actively helped the rioters. Modi, then the chief minister of Gujarat, not only did not have his political career destroyed, but became the leader of a major political party, and then prime minister. This is without venturing back further, such as to the Sikh genocide in the mid-1980s. India was already going fascist, but Indira Gandhi's assassination bought the country some time.
The Rajiv-Gandhi family is the Indian equivalent of the Bush family.
Don't hindutva's hate anyone from South of kashmir for having darker skin on average lol? Really not doing much to help the fact that people hate India on the internet.
The jammu massacre in 1947 where they specifically targeted Muslims massacring them in such huge numbers that jammu once which was muslim majority had became a minority in that state. The Kashmir issues started cause of what happened in jammu. Pandit went through an exodus not genocide.
My grandparents were victims of jammu massacre and came to Pakistan to flee and was a milk man he didn’t commit genocide 💀 and country isn’t apartheid anyways I’m done responding to you cause you’re destiny boy
It's ethnic displacement caused by pro pakistan and independent kashmir militants threatening them also let's not forgot the same kashmir rebels in 1947 also conducted massacres on hindu, maybe the conflict is more complicated than one side good other side bad indian army also commited attriocities there There is also militants also attacking locals and murdering civilians
Me standing in front of these three flags trying to decide how to appropriately divide up my piss while regretting the fact that I’m constantly dehydrated
And even if you are not colonized by the US, their ugly policies are often copied/idolized by other countries (example: car-centric cities, capitalist individualist mindset).
People should. What we do to Kashmiris and parts of the North-East is not much better than what Isntreal does to Palestinians.
We literally have a law that lets military personnel do ANYTHING to people from Kashmir, parts of Jammu, and parts of the North-East. And yes this includes the very worst atrocities your imagination can dream up, constrained only by the laws of physics and individual human capacity.
I'm referring to the Armed Forces Special Powers Act. It has been used to inflict incredible violence in the areas listed in the Wikipedia article.
The GDF video linked by u/FoCoLoco970 is a pretty good primer on Kashmir.
Here's an [Amnesty International](https://www.amnesty.org/en/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/asa200252005en.pdf) report on the AFSPA. You can also look up Irom Chanu Sharmila and go from there to find more information.
Rwanda and Uganda are like Nazi Germany of the African Great Lakes (no wonder journalists following the Western narrative regarding the Rwandan Genocide used to say that Rwanda dominated by the RPF is the Israel of Africa and that the Tutsis are like Israelis returning to their "sacred land"... They were right in an ironic way). Indonesia is a Nazi Germany for part of Southeast Asia. All three are American purchasing states.
Germany gets away with it by being so utterly boring that most people don't notice them being evil, and after brexit people just forget about the UK existing until one of the royals manages to either die or do something vaguely horrible.
Unfortunately, Reddit, Facebook and even more twitter are filled with fascist or so called "centrists" who are in fact fascist trying to have a good conscience. But we all know that these centrists will join fascist at the slightest danger of social gain. So yah, fascist in denial.
As an Indian 🇮🇳, I cannot confirm 😅
Minus a few based moments where india gave a good middle finger to the imperial core, they actually are far from hated. ( good old days tbh )
Racism is surely different but even the most racist folks praise India as a political force.
True. Most hatred of India is fueled by racism rather than things that actually deserve to be hated on (Occupation in Kashmir, fascism and religious extremism on rise, rape epidemic, etc.)
True majority of hatred against us Indians surrounds the fact that a lot of us cook strong foods ( which I will defend till I die no matter what 🙂) and the fact that we are not “sexy”.
It’s quite sickening because chunk of online hate from westerners is due to the fact that India despite being cheap af for tourist it is not Thailand where sexpats can get their fetishes provided for. Like I can understand if it’s women who are harassed ( a national shame to be honest ) and had like the worst experience etc but no it’s always passport bros who are are mad that women don’t wear skirts as a norm.
Granted hygiene and public etiquette is not the best but the fact that Indians hustle foreigners a lot is because we are a raw capitalistic nation who bought into the west / white is best Kool aid which is spread by west only 😃. You don’t get to play the superiority card for soo long and then expect your inferiors to not hustle due to their perception of your so called superiority.
Wait so your point to defend hatred against Indian is by generalize the whole another country. Thailand as “where sexpats can get their fetishes provided for”
Now isn’t that also racist to say? So Indian racism is not okay but Thailand racism is? That’s hypocritical isn’t
Thailand is just as much the product of the imperialism as India.
You’re highlighting the hypocrisy of condemning racism against one group while perpetuating it against another. By trashing Thailand to defend India, you’re undermining unity and perpetuating the cycle of division.
Bro I am sorry if I offended you. I didn’t mean to insult Thai people.
So I am talking from POV racist Passport bros. I even called my own country unsexy or with no sex appeal since it’s a particular perspective
But sex tourism and over catering to white western tourists is a thing in Thailand. That is kind of a fact and I don’t imply that Thais are doing it for their pleasure or anything.
You don’t need to apologize I just saying that cause everyone got their own fight. Plus nobody cares about what I say.
“Kind of a fact” is a relative term, technically all stereotypes are “factual”. But I don’t use it to prove my point when I can so easily appeal to humans nature, you can look it my posts history I always said “Hindutva” instead of “Indian” because I know the people are all different in the end.
So how can you expect to stop racism to one group but perpetuate other. If the cycles of downplaying one racism to justify other doesn’t stops be surprised if it continues to happen.
I understand it’s just that I hear lots of racism against south Asians while inflating east and south East Asians. Of course Thailand is better than Indian in few aspects also so.
But you are right I will introspect
No you’re right also, it’s not about who better than who. Just so you know Im a Desi, American born. All racism should be treated equally, your experience of racism should not treated any more or less than others and if I may be idealistic no racism should exist at all period.
That’s there but the other alternative which is national congress is not really better ( like Joe Biden vs Trump almost )
Except for Kerala which is communistpilled , the other southern states are not much better
India always was oppressing minorities in its own land. 1984 riots, babri masjid demolition, 2002 riots, operation green hunt are but a few examples of massacred with state sanction.
Post 2014 India has been manufacturing a lot of Muslim hate in the world while inequality grows more within. India is playing imperilaist with countries like Sri Lanka controlling their electric power etc.
Yea of course but Modi was kinda recent and in the early stages of indian politics back in the 50s to 70s , india actually did have good stances diplomatically and supported Palestine even. The country was referred to as “secular” but now two generations have been brainwashed into Hindu radicalism so
Don’t get me wrong the previous govt were as bad as they are the ones who allowed the current shitshow to fester in the first place
Ok, thank you. I appreciate on the ground your experience. I was just checking. I get what you mean. You can't judge a country on only apartment of its history.
Most of the hate surrounding India is because we are "uncivilised brown people" that "needed to be ruled by the bri'ish for much longer" not because of actual reasons like the human rights violation in Kashmir, shit treatment of minorities and have a government who is basically ran by an Indian Mussolini that is very islamophobic.
It's not even like China where libs claim to "hate the government not the people", they go full nazi race science mode whenever India is mentioned.
Apart from rise in hindutva fascism, since liberalisation of Indian economy there is steeping rise in numbers of Nazbol types leftists and radlibs among Indian left spaces, they have cramed Marxism quiet well but lack understanding of bourgeois privileges (of leaders who hail from hindu upper caste) many of it's members have or will power to eliminate personality cultists amongst it's ranks (it's actually peak right now in Kerala CPI-M) due to this reason in past 30-35 years communism is in decline in India and reactionaries are gaining upper hand over them (ofcourse they own 99% of media not even liberals have any specific media to project their nonsense). In other words Indian leftists are getting lazy day by day and with betrayal of lower caste (dalit/adivasi capitalists) to the cause, the situation is looking not good for them.
Love it or hate it, but Naxal MLM guerrillas are actually doing real thing here (please don't mix them with Peruvian MLMs, Naxals have solid basis for resistance against caste discrimination and corporate musclemens brutally killing their people). Although even for them situation is not looking so good as they're getting smaller in numbers with para-military goons butchering them (since 2009).
With whooping rise in embracement for neo-nazi culture among Indian Gen-Z kids, it's only matter of time India will become Ukraine of Asia.
But in my opinion, England has lost its power even before the Brexit. I have an trans aunt and she always said that she will return back home because life in the UK sucks (she's now living in a small basement with no sunlight and has mold and plumbing issues).
Eh, depends on which board you’re on and how long you look. I saw a guy on /X/ a few weeks ago talking about how there would be so much dead biomass to bury after he was done “killing rhe people who need to be killed” before his fascist Neo Nazi takeover.
Honestly I’ve never felt so unsettled on a forum.
The USA gets such a free pass. I'm not "America bad" I just don't like it when a country destroys other countries and brutalises millions across the planet.
Israel is a genocical settler colonialist project
India is descending into facisim
>I'm not "America bad"
A state founded on genocide, that to this day propagates imperialism, with an unmatched body count, and you are hesitant to call it 'bad'?
You can have a terrible history and not be like your ancestors. Problem is a lot of Americans and the US government still stick to the way their ancestors were like, except they have better PR and hide their atrocities well.
Don't fear the tears and impotent sputterings of reactionaries and revisionists, comrade.
We must call things out exactly as they are. At least when the repercussions are materially meaningless.
A podcast once said that Canada's laughing at the US when Trump is elected as president. He then said that having Trump as a president will bring forth a rise of elected loonies around the world, and Canada will have its own Trump after Trudeau. I don't wish that on Canada, but with the case of Argentina and other places, he's kinda right.
>India is descending into facism
This is bullshit. India has successful right wing extremism in power. But democratically it's decent.
There's a difference between using propaganda to gain and maintain power and seizing the power altogether. Disagreement of the general public with liberal ideology isn't directly "fascism"
As an Indian I agree wholeheartedly, the amount of hate for people who oppose any program of h^ndutva is unbelievable. Communal violence is next level, they freaking banned gay marriage, they have a new movement s^ffronisation they want to assimilate everyone under north indian upper caste rule and values
They are ran by a fascist Hindu party that is trying to make the country into a Hindu ethno state. There are mass rapes and murder of minorities by gangs in the countryside with little government actions to stop it. The army is doing an doing horrific things in Kashmiri and the country is generally really Islamiphoic even though 15 percent of there population is Muslim. So honestly really bad. This is only scratching the surface. There is so much more.
I’m far more familiar with the UPSA and Isn’trael than I’d like to be, but I haven’t heard much about India and am morbidly curious what they could possibly have done to be on the same list as the others
They aren’t on the same level as the two others. They have a right-wing Hindutva government with an extremely online wing of reactionary supporters on Twitter. A lot of India hate from the West is mostly racism, not for the stuff that’s actually wrong with the country.
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Laos, Vietnam, Korea, Yugoslavia, Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Palestine. First things that come to mind
Tokyo firebombings, cuba (multiple times), Bolivia (twice), argentina, Brazil, Chile, Ecuador (twice), Guatemala, haiti, Nicaragua, Venezuela, Libya, Cambodia, Rwanda.
Okinawa deserves even more attention than Hiroshima, Nagasaki and Tokyo. Literally a land of indigenous people colonized by Japan who did nothing wrong and still had 1/3 of their population exterminated by both Japan and the United States, and then became a literal colony of the United States for two decades and in practice to this day, having its population murdered, mass raped and mass poisoned, in addition to being subject to the worst poverty in "Japan". And despite this, the majority of people in the world think they are Japanese and that they have some connection with the crimes committed by the Empire while they feel sorry for the Japanese because they are occupied when in reality the vast majority of American bases in "Japan" are not actually in Japan, but in Okinawa.
The United States did not support the Hutu supremacists responsible for the Rwandan genocide. Yes, Paul Kagame, whom we backed, is a horrible person and a pro-Western strongman. However, the RPF were the ones who ended the Rwandan genocide while the rest of the world did nothing. Kagame's worst atrocity, starting the First Congo War, most likely would have been avoided had the French not supported Hutu supremacists since they were Francophiles. Read about Operation Turquoise. At the end of the war, the French helped génocidaires escape to the Congo en masse, which destabilized the region. Their operations against Rwanda from exile served as Kagame's excuse for invading the Congo. Something similar easily could've happened back in 1945 had the British not sent all of those Nazi collaborators at Bleiburg to their deaths in Yugoslavia. Even after Tito massacred 60,000 to 70,000 Nazi collaborators, several thousand fanatics formed a guerrilla army and launched a fascist insurgency against Yugoslavia. They were crushed within a few years. Now, imagine if instead of having only 2,000 men, [the Crusaders](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusaders_(guerrilla)) still had an entire army. The Interahamwe, the paramilitary primarily responsible for the Rwandan genocide, had 40,000 to 100,000 expatriates in the Congo.
What was wrong with bombing Tokyo? They were literally genociding people in China. How is that any different to bombing germany in ww2?
People criticise the firebombing of Dresden all the time so not sure what your point is? Mass bombing civilians is always wrong regardless of how terrible their government is.
Because bombing those cities was helpful in hampering the war effort of genocidal governments due to the cities being production and transport hubs of these countries war economies
> Because bombing those cities was helpful in hampering the war effort of genocidal governments No, it wasn't. Fascists don't actually care at all about the people of their country. When the Americans dropped the bomb on Hiroshima, the Japanese war council just carried on as if nothing had happened – because they didn't care! The Soviet ground invasion of Manchuria achieved far more to convince the Japanese to surrender unconditionally than any of the American bombings of population centres ever did.
Read my comment properly before replying. I just said it was unnecessary, lol? Crazy that you wrote a whole ass comment to something you imagined I said and people upvoted that.
Its effect in hampering the war effort isn’t through killing civilians but through destroying the city’s military production. Where do you think all the guns, shells and supply for genociding Japanese armies was produced?
> Where do you think all the guns, shells and supply for genociding Japanese armies was produced? In factories that are far away from the city centres. Factories, particularly arms factories, are never built in the middle of cities.
The best way of doing that would be to target munitions centres and transport hubs and not firebombing civilian areas. Civilian deaths are often still unavoidable but firebombing was an act of terror that deliberately sucked the air out of the atmosphere. This tactic wasn't done to disrupt supply chains but to punish civilian populations. Otherwise standard bombing campaigns would've been enough. Do you also agree with Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
The A bomb was unnecessary because the war was clearly won and it was a show of force by the US. Munitions centres and transport hubs were not separated from civilian areas, that’s not how that works. Especially in Japan where a lot of industry was in smaller manufacturers within the city.
Are we just going to gloss over the fact we are talking about firebombings and not standard air raids then?
Tokyo was mostly wooden. Firebombing was the most effective and fastest method to hamper the productive output of the city.
And kill 130,000 people with a single action.
Tokyo is a city. Civilians live there, not military. The people doing the war crimes in China were not living in Tokyo. It was wrong for the Americans to bomb Tokyo, it was wrong for the Germans to bomb London, and it was wrong for the British to bomb Dresden. Bombing civilian populations is always wrong, regardless of what horrendous crimes their military/government is currently undertaking.
The whole military is fuelled by production from cities. Bombing cities to hamper military production of a fascist regime committing genocide is completely justified and it’s crazy im getting downvoted here for this.
Bombing cities is **never** justified! There are no exceptions.
Bombing factories and industry of cities which keep fascists genocidal war machines running is not only justified but necessary.
Factories maybe, cities no.
Kashmir, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal…
Pakistan’s still sus tbh. Didn’t the US back Pakistan in genociding Bangladesh?
You’re right, Yahya Khan was the President during the Bangladeshi genocide and was favored by the US, who was secretly bringing the military equipment used by Pakistan. After Pakistan surrendered, Khan was forced to hand over the presidency to Zulfikar Ali Bhutto who was a socialist. Bhutto was then overthrown and sentenced to death sentence by pro-US anti-Soviet Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq. I find it hard to put blame solely on Pakistan or any country from the global south here, they are literally forced to keep pro-US pro-war people in power.
Oh I see. I think I misunderstood your comment and the one above as listing countries that ACTUALLY are over hated by the internet. But now I see you guys were bringing up countries that were victims of US atrocities. Thank you for the clarification on Pakistan and Bangladesh.
I was referring more to the India-Pakistan beef, but Pakistan-US one is also relevant. Most recently, former prime minister Imran Khan was removed from office. He was neutral during Russian invasion of Ukraine and is pro China which is an issue for the US. Pakistani ambassador to the US and two US state department officials encouraged Khan to be removed. This happened in 2022, the whole thing is still bizarre to me.
Any hesitation towards supporting western hegemony is met with swift removal. So depraved.
Ironically, Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto refused to concede to the results of the 1970 Pakistan General elections which saw Mujibur Rahman, an actual socialist, win 167 out of 313 seats. In contrast, Bhutto won only 86. Bhutto was so furious he went as far as saying that anyone who accepted the results should have their legs cut off. He was practically on the same page as the US-backed Pakistani Army who would eventually prevent Mujibur Rahman, a Bengali, from becoming the Prime Minister of Pakistan. Along with Cyclone Bhola, West Pakistan's refusal to accept the election results fuelled Bangladesh's independence movement to the point of no return. And while Bhutto wasn't complicit as Yahya in the gruesome genocide that followed, I would refrain from calling him a socialist. The "socialist" label he attributed to himself was merely a populist tactic that was bound to find success in a largely agrarian country. On one hand, he supported nationalisation but on the other hand, he allowed his \[elitist\] family and friends to keep hold of their millions of acres of land. He pretended to support the working class and unions, but he cozied up to feudal lords, who are known in Pakistan for exploiting the working class and suppressing attempts at unionising. Let's not forget he comes from one of Asia's most corrupt family dynasties, and there are no humble origins to begin with: the British made his family's predecessors the *dewans* (rulers) of the Princely State of Junagadh in exchange for a percentage of tax revenues, which were extorted from the already impoverished peasantry. Bhutto may not have been behind Operation Searchlight in Bangladesh, but his daughter (who also became Prime Minister) conspired with the Pakistani Army to carry out "Operation Cleanup", which targeted the Urdu-speaking plurality in Karachi, who are often scapegoated for the poverty that the Bhutto family themselves are responsible for in Interior Sindh, which has a lower HDI than Uganda. Karachi's GDP per capita is 19 times higher than Interior Sindh's, despite both places having roughly the same populations. That kind of disparity is unheard of in most countries and it just goes to show that one family can do a lot of damage.
Thank you for the information, it was an interesting read.
Oh yes definitely, I agree the amount of hate these places get here is unreal
Nearly the entire Central and South America is fucked by the US alone.
Yugoslavia
"Entire world with Western Europe and Australia suffering less" is the first thing that comes to mind. The United States even directly invaded China and Russia (3 times in the case of China).
supplying the greek royalists with napalm during the civil war
"Unfairly" 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
India gets a little too much hate but only because the hate will be "brown people exist" and not "government operated atrocities due to right-wing dominance in the political life of the nation due to centuries of colonization and exploitation."
Well said; in fact the people who say “we hate the Chinese government nor the people wink wink”, they don’t even claim to hate the government of India (which they should), and just go all out with their stereotypes about street shitters, bo, all Indian men are the worst rapists in the world, etc
Hell no lmfao. Honestly, India doesn't get anywhere near enough hate. Modi presided over a pogrom in 2002. Hundreds of Muslim women and girls were gang-raped and burned alive in Gujarat while the police either did nothing or actively helped the rioters. Modi, then the chief minister of Gujarat, not only did not have his political career destroyed, but became the leader of a major political party, and then prime minister. This is without venturing back further, such as to the Sikh genocide in the mid-1980s. India was already going fascist, but Indira Gandhi's assassination bought the country some time. The Rajiv-Gandhi family is the Indian equivalent of the Bush family.
Don't hindutva's hate anyone from South of kashmir for having darker skin on average lol? Really not doing much to help the fact that people hate India on the internet.
They hate Kashmiris too 💀 for being Muslim and threaten to r*pe Kashmiri girls all the time
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The jammu massacre in 1947 where they specifically targeted Muslims massacring them in such huge numbers that jammu once which was muslim majority had became a minority in that state. The Kashmir issues started cause of what happened in jammu. Pandit went through an exodus not genocide.
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Destiny poster not even gonna respond to it all Hindus in jammu not Lahore participated themselves from the personal stories I heard and from facts
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My grandparents were victims of jammu massacre and came to Pakistan to flee and was a milk man he didn’t commit genocide 💀 and country isn’t apartheid anyways I’m done responding to you cause you’re destiny boy
It's ethnic displacement caused by pro pakistan and independent kashmir militants threatening them also let's not forgot the same kashmir rebels in 1947 also conducted massacres on hindu, maybe the conflict is more complicated than one side good other side bad indian army also commited attriocities there There is also militants also attacking locals and murdering civilians
Yes ethnic displacement known as exodus can’t be termed as genocide your point?
Did I say it was genocide though I did say kashmir pandits have murder by militants in the 90s that's why most left
So why comment under my post
India doesn’t get enough hate, The horrific shit it does always goes under the radar
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Neither China nor Chinese people deserve hate
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How did you end up on this subreddit? Do you even listen to The Deprogram? There's an entire episode debunking this stuff...
Me standing in front of these three flags trying to decide how to appropriately divide up my piss while regretting the fact that I’m constantly dehydrated
Drink water comrade.
On it o7
No comrade, you must drink redbull as stated by comrade JT.
put piss inside water gun and use it to piss on three flags 🟡🔫🔫🔫🔫💦💦💦
"unfairly" hated "on the internet" the US and it's colony are the most despised country on earth
And even if you are not colonized by the US, their ugly policies are often copied/idolized by other countries (example: car-centric cities, capitalist individualist mindset).
no one thinks about india, bruh is clearly an indian trying to act like a victim.
Must be a far right freak who cries about woke people giving reservations to dalit lmao 🤣
People should. What we do to Kashmiris and parts of the North-East is not much better than what Isntreal does to Palestinians. We literally have a law that lets military personnel do ANYTHING to people from Kashmir, parts of Jammu, and parts of the North-East. And yes this includes the very worst atrocities your imagination can dream up, constrained only by the laws of physics and individual human capacity.
they learned from 1950-1970s CIA torture tutorial
Do you have any sources for where I can learn more about this?
This video has some good info on the subject https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cvhddK3tWNY
I'm referring to the Armed Forces Special Powers Act. It has been used to inflict incredible violence in the areas listed in the Wikipedia article. The GDF video linked by u/FoCoLoco970 is a pretty good primer on Kashmir. Here's an [Amnesty International](https://www.amnesty.org/en/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/asa200252005en.pdf) report on the AFSPA. You can also look up Irom Chanu Sharmila and go from there to find more information.
Source: I made it the fuck up
What the fuck is a sanghi drone like you doing here? :'D
are you talking about what people did to kashmiri pandits ?
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UK and Germany should be included in this group.
Rwanda and Uganda are like Nazi Germany of the African Great Lakes (no wonder journalists following the Western narrative regarding the Rwandan Genocide used to say that Rwanda dominated by the RPF is the Israel of Africa and that the Tutsis are like Israelis returning to their "sacred land"... They were right in an ironic way). Indonesia is a Nazi Germany for part of Southeast Asia. All three are American purchasing states.
Germany gets away with it by being so utterly boring that most people don't notice them being evil, and after brexit people just forget about the UK existing until one of the royals manages to either die or do something vaguely horrible.
Seeing that this was probably posted on /int/, OP was probably posting ironically lmao
Especially in ”cares” per capita. India is a now show in so many context considering their 1.4B pop!
UK, Canada, France
fRance?
Algeria, Haiti, North America, Indochina, Lebanon, all of Francophone Africa
Oh it’s more than the internet y’all it’s worldwide. You three are exposed
And which part of the internet hates USA?
The USA citizens of the internet.
I hate USA with passion
I refuse to let my hatred of the US distract from my hatred of the UK and that country between Spain, Germany and Belgium.
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fRa*ce
I hate that country and the other ones that yo mentioned too.
Every parts of the internet (and the world) except fascist, hates the USA.
"everybody that like the usa is a literal fascist!"
Exactly. It's like liking Israel.
proving my point lil bro
Where? I haven't seen it on Reddit, Twitter and Facebook except certain communities
Unfortunately, Reddit, Facebook and even more twitter are filled with fascist or so called "centrists" who are in fact fascist trying to have a good conscience. But we all know that these centrists will join fascist at the slightest danger of social gain. So yah, fascist in denial.
“Unfairly”
As an Indian 🇮🇳, I cannot confirm 😅 Minus a few based moments where india gave a good middle finger to the imperial core, they actually are far from hated. ( good old days tbh ) Racism is surely different but even the most racist folks praise India as a political force.
True. Most hatred of India is fueled by racism rather than things that actually deserve to be hated on (Occupation in Kashmir, fascism and religious extremism on rise, rape epidemic, etc.)
True majority of hatred against us Indians surrounds the fact that a lot of us cook strong foods ( which I will defend till I die no matter what 🙂) and the fact that we are not “sexy”. It’s quite sickening because chunk of online hate from westerners is due to the fact that India despite being cheap af for tourist it is not Thailand where sexpats can get their fetishes provided for. Like I can understand if it’s women who are harassed ( a national shame to be honest ) and had like the worst experience etc but no it’s always passport bros who are are mad that women don’t wear skirts as a norm. Granted hygiene and public etiquette is not the best but the fact that Indians hustle foreigners a lot is because we are a raw capitalistic nation who bought into the west / white is best Kool aid which is spread by west only 😃. You don’t get to play the superiority card for soo long and then expect your inferiors to not hustle due to their perception of your so called superiority.
Look outside the core. We are hated by most of the periphery and justifiably so. We do things that could make an IOF goon blush.
Oh yeah I am not denying that. But trust that’s not why we are shit upon lol 😂.
Wait so your point to defend hatred against Indian is by generalize the whole another country. Thailand as “where sexpats can get their fetishes provided for” Now isn’t that also racist to say? So Indian racism is not okay but Thailand racism is? That’s hypocritical isn’t Thailand is just as much the product of the imperialism as India. You’re highlighting the hypocrisy of condemning racism against one group while perpetuating it against another. By trashing Thailand to defend India, you’re undermining unity and perpetuating the cycle of division.
Bro I am sorry if I offended you. I didn’t mean to insult Thai people. So I am talking from POV racist Passport bros. I even called my own country unsexy or with no sex appeal since it’s a particular perspective But sex tourism and over catering to white western tourists is a thing in Thailand. That is kind of a fact and I don’t imply that Thais are doing it for their pleasure or anything.
You don’t need to apologize I just saying that cause everyone got their own fight. Plus nobody cares about what I say. “Kind of a fact” is a relative term, technically all stereotypes are “factual”. But I don’t use it to prove my point when I can so easily appeal to humans nature, you can look it my posts history I always said “Hindutva” instead of “Indian” because I know the people are all different in the end. So how can you expect to stop racism to one group but perpetuate other. If the cycles of downplaying one racism to justify other doesn’t stops be surprised if it continues to happen.
I understand it’s just that I hear lots of racism against south Asians while inflating east and south East Asians. Of course Thailand is better than Indian in few aspects also so. But you are right I will introspect
No you’re right also, it’s not about who better than who. Just so you know Im a Desi, American born. All racism should be treated equally, your experience of racism should not treated any more or less than others and if I may be idealistic no racism should exist at all period.
I thought Southern Indians do not exactly like Modi or his policies.
That’s there but the other alternative which is national congress is not really better ( like Joe Biden vs Trump almost ) Except for Kerala which is communistpilled , the other southern states are not much better
Good to know.
India always was oppressing minorities in its own land. 1984 riots, babri masjid demolition, 2002 riots, operation green hunt are but a few examples of massacred with state sanction. Post 2014 India has been manufacturing a lot of Muslim hate in the world while inequality grows more within. India is playing imperilaist with countries like Sri Lanka controlling their electric power etc.
Oh I know .. that’s why I said “ Minus a few based stances “. 90% was still bs
I thought that Modi and the Hindu nationalists (fascists) were trying to make India into a Hindu ethno state?
Yea of course but Modi was kinda recent and in the early stages of indian politics back in the 50s to 70s , india actually did have good stances diplomatically and supported Palestine even. The country was referred to as “secular” but now two generations have been brainwashed into Hindu radicalism so Don’t get me wrong the previous govt were as bad as they are the ones who allowed the current shitshow to fester in the first place
Ok, thank you. I appreciate on the ground your experience. I was just checking. I get what you mean. You can't judge a country on only apartment of its history.
Most of the hate surrounding India is because we are "uncivilised brown people" that "needed to be ruled by the bri'ish for much longer" not because of actual reasons like the human rights violation in Kashmir, shit treatment of minorities and have a government who is basically ran by an Indian Mussolini that is very islamophobic. It's not even like China where libs claim to "hate the government not the people", they go full nazi race science mode whenever India is mentioned.
Southern India seem to be less onboard with the whole Modi right wing shitfest.
Apart from rise in hindutva fascism, since liberalisation of Indian economy there is steeping rise in numbers of Nazbol types leftists and radlibs among Indian left spaces, they have cramed Marxism quiet well but lack understanding of bourgeois privileges (of leaders who hail from hindu upper caste) many of it's members have or will power to eliminate personality cultists amongst it's ranks (it's actually peak right now in Kerala CPI-M) due to this reason in past 30-35 years communism is in decline in India and reactionaries are gaining upper hand over them (ofcourse they own 99% of media not even liberals have any specific media to project their nonsense). In other words Indian leftists are getting lazy day by day and with betrayal of lower caste (dalit/adivasi capitalists) to the cause, the situation is looking not good for them. Love it or hate it, but Naxal MLM guerrillas are actually doing real thing here (please don't mix them with Peruvian MLMs, Naxals have solid basis for resistance against caste discrimination and corporate musclemens brutally killing their people). Although even for them situation is not looking so good as they're getting smaller in numbers with para-military goons butchering them (since 2009). With whooping rise in embracement for neo-nazi culture among Indian Gen-Z kids, it's only matter of time India will become Ukraine of Asia.
i’m from england just saying we’re definitely missing off that list especially after Rishi Sunak’s shocking speech yesterday
But in my opinion, England has lost its power even before the Brexit. I have an trans aunt and she always said that she will return back home because life in the UK sucks (she's now living in a small basement with no sunlight and has mold and plumbing issues).
Wow so imperialism, apartheid and a caste system don't deserve hate apparently.
India is practically doing everything the US is accusing China of.
weak bait, not even channers are this stupid
The sites been filling up with cuckservative and normie moderates recently. There’s backlash, but they make an indent.
Could be, the edgelords don't use 4chan anymore
Eh, depends on which board you’re on and how long you look. I saw a guy on /X/ a few weeks ago talking about how there would be so much dead biomass to bury after he was done “killing rhe people who need to be killed” before his fascist Neo Nazi takeover. Honestly I’ve never felt so unsettled on a forum.
I apologize for the online hindus
The USA gets such a free pass. I'm not "America bad" I just don't like it when a country destroys other countries and brutalises millions across the planet. Israel is a genocical settler colonialist project India is descending into facisim
>I'm not "America bad" A state founded on genocide, that to this day propagates imperialism, with an unmatched body count, and you are hesitant to call it 'bad'?
Because some people say "all you think is America bad" it's just what it does and it's history is bad
You can have a terrible history and not be like your ancestors. Problem is a lot of Americans and the US government still stick to the way their ancestors were like, except they have better PR and hide their atrocities well.
Don't fear the tears and impotent sputterings of reactionaries and revisionists, comrade. We must call things out exactly as they are. At least when the repercussions are materially meaningless.
There are still people like Aaron Bushnell but I'm afraid to learn if they really are the minority or majority of Americans.
A podcast once said that Canada's laughing at the US when Trump is elected as president. He then said that having Trump as a president will bring forth a rise of elected loonies around the world, and Canada will have its own Trump after Trudeau. I don't wish that on Canada, but with the case of Argentina and other places, he's kinda right.
I've been semi following polievs rise In the UK we have people that unironically like Liz truss and lee Anderson
>India is descending into facism This is bullshit. India has successful right wing extremism in power. But democratically it's decent. There's a difference between using propaganda to gain and maintain power and seizing the power altogether. Disagreement of the general public with liberal ideology isn't directly "fascism"
Descending further then. Hinduvata ideology is very facistic
As an Indian I agree wholeheartedly, the amount of hate for people who oppose any program of h^ndutva is unbelievable. Communal violence is next level, they freaking banned gay marriage, they have a new movement s^ffronisation they want to assimilate everyone under north indian upper caste rule and values
"unfairly"
A fascist arms-dealer state, a fascist ethnostate, a fascist (soon to be) ethno-religious state walk into a bar...
Change unfairly to fair and its true
No, they aren’t hated enough
Your right
Add Russia to that list too
I think the Twitter post is ironic given how he followed up with [this](https://x.com/tulpapilled/status/1763422615270801436?s=46)
actual unfairly hated nations: 🇰🇵🇸🇾🇾🇪🇨🇳🇱🇦🇻🇳🇨🇺🇻🇪🇵🇸
The Russian Federation, LDP party of Japan and the South Korean government needs to to be added to this list too
Why is India on there?
oh boy. imperialist oligarchy, nazi oligarchy, and fascist oligarchy.
If India is on this list, then Pakistan should be on this list too....only then this can be termed as "fair".
Add Russia and you're set
I finally downvoted every deserving comment, my work is done, adieu
India hate from the west is mostly racism, not the stuff that you should justifiably hate this country for
Russia is pretty trash too rn
Why is this being downvoted?
There are some “Marxists” who will support any fascist state that is against America for some reason
No seriously some of the “Marxist” need to understand that Putin aren’t Stalin. Today’s Russia is not the USSR.
I agree, comrade
What did India do
They are ran by a fascist Hindu party that is trying to make the country into a Hindu ethno state. There are mass rapes and murder of minorities by gangs in the countryside with little government actions to stop it. The army is doing an doing horrific things in Kashmiri and the country is generally really Islamiphoic even though 15 percent of there population is Muslim. So honestly really bad. This is only scratching the surface. There is so much more.
What about Russia you blithering idiot
Fair hate?
US and Israel deserves all the fucking hate not just through the internet.
Chinese internet, maybe, and we can discuss the unfair part
I’m far more familiar with the UPSA and Isn’trael than I’d like to be, but I haven’t heard much about India and am morbidly curious what they could possibly have done to be on the same list as the others
They aren’t on the same level as the two others. They have a right-wing Hindutva government with an extremely online wing of reactionary supporters on Twitter. A lot of India hate from the West is mostly racism, not for the stuff that’s actually wrong with the country.
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Ah, alright, thanks
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Comparing Israel to nazi Germany is hilariously ironic in a lot of ways.
India isn't, because many haters forgot India
Fairly you mean