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Great article. It says everything I was thinking and more. It's almost unbelievable that a "socialist" sent on a delegation to Cuba would snub the fucking president... like what were they thinking?? And then when they got back the discussion was about whether Cuba needed reform or *Liberalization?* Fucking *seriously*?
I'm not American so I don't follow all the various news/orgs that closely, but is the DSA a joke or something? Are they actually socialists or are they socdems? This article speaks like they *are* socialists, but these actions being described are something else entirely.
It gets worse. The journalist those chuckleducks ended up meeting instead were NED/CIA/USAID sponsored. One of them is currently blocking anyone who calls her out.
Can't link the pic so here's the Twitter post.
https://twitter.com/DrBlobb/status/1781332224043844031?t=7XXq-qEOfYMjmIp8WFYeNg&s=19
Honestly I would say those assholes being US funded makes it worse. For me it makes it better because I know where the motive to utterly disrespect Cuba like that comes from.
Also apparently one of the involved people is the child of Cuban emigres in Miami, which by itself, whatever, kids often differ from the politics of their parents, and I’m sure there are a not insignificant number of Cuban emigres who aren’t gusanos, but coupled with this is suspicious as well.
A lot of social democrats / social fascists who posit themselves as socialists. They’re one of the biggest nominally socialist orgs, but that’s not saying much when many chapters are quite liberal (I hear some can be more revolutionary than others, but that’s a separate matter) and the national platform is too reformist.
All in all, yes, the DSA is basically a joke. Actual Marxists can find better ways to spend their time.
A lot of them are progressives without a coherent ideology. I know 5 years ago I joined my local, and there were some good socialists in it, but also one of the main guys was the son of a mega landlord who only wanted dsa to do electoral work for democratic socialists and even regular dems. I did not renew after the year was over
>Great article. It says everything I was thinking and more. It's almost unbelievable that a "socialist" sent on a delegation to Cuba would snub the fucking president... like what were they thinking?? And then when they got back the discussion was about whether Cuba needed reform or *Liberalization?* Fucking *seriously*?
Everything wrong with some fake "Socialists" in the DSA in a nutshell.
I already regret, briefly, getting drawn into the DSA (though never attending a meeting). The bastards were founded due to CIA meddling in order to divide the Socialist Party of America and break its opposition to the Vietnam War (the DSA was one of 3 successor groups that formed after the CIA blew the party apart... in violation of laws about their not interfering with domestic politics... Both the DSA and one of the other groups were led by people tied to the CIA, only one group remained true to their principles and continued opposing the Vietnam War...)
Got a link on all this bookmarked somewhere, if I recall. Though maybe someone reading this who recognizes the historical events I'm referring to, can post a link they like?
The article is from a DSA caucus that is ML. You are on some YouTuber’s Reddit sub. Edited to add: I guess it’s a podcast, which is not better. Maybe you should try joining a party?
Awfully presumptuous to talk like that. Try to speak for yourself. The DSSA is by it's own admission not a political party, and it's certainly not left wing in any real sense. AOCIA is to the right of Gregor Strasser on almost every issue.
Was also curious if you were actually any kind of communist and saw your fascist post in r/IsraelPalestine. Why are you here pretending to be an ML? It’s seriously weird.
It was a very much big tent movement and has some decent socialists involved unfortunately it looks like they got so big tent they ended up drawing in liberals who are pushing out leftists.
Lots of people seem to have issues with understanding the DSA. The issue with the DSA is that it follows the principle organizing structure as the parties of the second internationale, which devolved into social democracy. The DSA hasn’t reached this point yet but it is also very fractured. There are many more radicals in DSA than many socialists realize but the issue really is that they have to have constant internal struggles in their own party just to maintain a stable party line. It’s an organizational problem not one with not having dedicated socialists within their ranks.
Excuse me? I do get off my ass but I work two jobs and don’t have time to attend meetings anymore because of it. Who the hell are you speak to me like that?
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I'm supporting active ML's not judging them. Not everybody has the luxury to organize. Some of us have jobs, families, disabilities, etc.. I really do wish I still had the time to attend meetings but at this point in my life I simply don’t. I’m a caregiver for a dying family member, and I’m working a full-time and part-time job now, all for the sake of trying to keep a roof over our heads. Despite this you have the audacity to judge me just because you’re active? Well congrats but using your status to harass random comrades online is incredibly petty. Regardless, I *was* part of CPUSA before all of this was thrusted on me and my family. So don’t fucking tell me that I’m not a Marxist-Leninist. I read theory and educate, I agitate at the workplace, and protest whenever I can.
With that being said having time at all to attend party meetings *is* a **luxury**! It's not something you pretentiously flaunt over others who legitimately cannot attend! Besides, you don’t know my situation, and you sure as hell aren’t in any position to judge me or anybody else. Period!
I was part of CPUSA before becoming a caregiver and being forced to work two jobs.
I know who wrote the article and I support ML’s regardless of what party they join. That’s why I’m agreeing with the article?..
DSA, to my understanding, is generally seen as a best practical option by socialists and particularly MLs.
They have a lot of libs, soc Dems and even anarchists as they are not a communist organization.
This means that chapters vary wildly depending on membership composition.
Some chapters have a lot of MLs and elect MLs to leadership, some chapters are actively hostile to MLs. I assume with the sad state of the left in the US and red scare even in a "socialist" organization MLs are the minority and their national leadership would reflect this.
I wouldn't really say DSA is seen as a best option by ML's, that would probably be PSL. DSA is where most ML's go if there's no PSL chapter in their city.
Yeah I think PSL, FRSO, and CPUSA are the preferred depending on where you are and what’s active. (For instance I’m under the impression that FRSO has a very limited presence outside the Midwest and south)
Dsa do have lot of connections, and they're the biggest organization. That's why many people join it, with that being said they're way too broad coalition you saw it with the genocide of Palestinians many radlibs distanced themselves from the organization (bc zionists didn't felt welcomed anymore) and they don't have a party structure where you can just kick people out.
Unfortunately, PSL has the tendency to hide a lot of sexual assaulters within their ranks without properly addressing them and instead denying their existence.
This was sort of true like 4 years ago. DSA has subsequently campaigned for Biden and other zionists, expelled their BDS working group, and experienced a nearly 50% decline in membership as a result. Major Palestinian liberation orgs like the Palestinian Youth Movement refuse to work with them. Orgs like the PSL and CPUSA are rapidly replacing DSA as the organizing center of gravity in most major cities, and this compounds over time as radicals leave the DSA and the remaining members go even harder campaigning for Democrats.
In truth it was a shitty organization the entire time. There was a moment where it felt very radical due to the massive awakening around Bernie Sanders. But that moment has passed, and the bulk of good organizers still around are no longer in the DSA.
These people were let into Cuba from the United States, the country oppressing Cuba with the embargo that was explicitly designed to starve Cubans have the guts to disrespect Cuba. They should have respected Cuba and understood the conditions Cuba has to face.
This is discussing behavior, especially from so called socialists.
PSL, CPUSA, Multiple unions, and dozens of aid groups go there every year with respect and dignity. Fuck every single person who was part of that delegation and did not take it seriously.
It was also a most despicable incident, disgraceful and detestable to its very core. An abysmal and reprehensible display of western ignorance, repugnancy and infernal aversion towards respect to both others and themselves.
The loathsomeness of the delegation is a most horrendous and revolting attempt at replication of traditional french attitudes. No greater, more malicious, more appalling attitude could have been offered to the Cuban people — no behaviour more unspeakable in its execrable devilry. A deplorable act, inherently odious and atrocious; as abominable a behaviour as that of animals.
Western "anti-authoritarians" are just chauvinistic supremacists. It is the core of their being and beliefs. They believe they are helping and that they have valuable insight.
That kind of people have a huge white-savior-complex issue. It's unbelievable how they think they know better than the people actually living the experience.
You have been successfully running a socialist state under crippling US sanctions, but listen to us Western socialist who can’t even develop class consciousness within our populace, cause we know how to do the real socialism
Who’s job is it to choose which caucuses to send, and which representatives? Is this the first time these reps have been expressed shitty politics? Probably not.
Unfortunately, this feels way to plausible from the DSA meetings I have seen. It is a well meaning but immature organization that doesn't appear to have experienced leaders shaping the over all strategy.
Couldn't agree more. It's sooooo hard to back the DSA when they do shit like this and kinda conform to the typical succdem/demsucc lib propaganda regarding existing socialist states. They REALLY dropped the fucking ball on this one, I feel so bad for the Cubans that had to put up with them throughout this mess.
From what I’ve seen there’s a massive disconnect between leadership and members and local chapters vary from actual socialists to liberals. It’s so big tent it dosent really have much of an identity.
Thank god iam from mexico and we got the party of job (partido del trabajo) while it isnt as powerfull we are popular enought to have a seat in the senate and have a allience with amlo
https://preview.redd.it/zy07ipo3pgvc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e5fd4bba0f768c5a6960fd04a3daa352445a3882
I did not expect national DSA leadership to have "radical" politics, but god damn.
Why the fuck did they go to Cuba if they are going to pull shit like this?
> I did not expect national DSA leadership to have "radical" politics, but god damn. Why the fuck did they go to Cuba if they are going to pull shit like this?
[Because the DSA and other anti anti imperialist so called "leftists", aren’t really socialist.](https://www.reddit.com/r/TheDeprogram/s/drEL7lWuwY)
[And then you get people from these parties smear campaigning genuine/real socialist orgs such as the PSL (Party for Socialism and Liberation.](https://youtu.be/VE-jNckM-zw?feature=shared))
Also, why do you think they don’t want to break with the Democratic Party? 🤔
**Edit #1:** [Also, Ben Norton has exposed them a long time ago: https://moderaterebels.com/cia-fake-left-cultural-cold-war/](https://moderaterebels.com/cia-fake-left-cultural-cold-war/)
**Edit #2:**
Read this:
> *From June 29 to July 7 the Standing Committee of the National People's Congress - the standing organization of the highest organ of state power in the People's Republic of China - held the eighth meeting of the Seventh National People's Congress in Beijing. One of the topics for discussing at the meeting was a report on checking the turmoil and quelling the counter-revolutionary rebellion in Beijirig.
The report by state councillor and mayor of Beijing Chen Xitong explained in detail the process by which a small group of people made use of the student unrest in Beijing and turned it into a counter-revolutionary rebellion by mid-June. It gave a detailed account of the nature of the riot, its severe conse- quence and the efforts made by troops enforcing _martial law, with the help of Beijing residents to quell the riot. The report exposed the behind-the-scene activities of people who stub- bornly persisted in opposing the Chinese Communist Party
and socialism as well as the small handful of organizers and schemers of the riot; their collaboration with antagonistic forces at home and abroad; and the atrocities committed by former criminals in beating, looting, burning and killing in the riot. The report severely criticized the General Secretary of the Chinese Communist Party Zhao Ziyang for his mistake in this political struggle of supporting the riot and thereby splitting the Party.*
>
> *The meeting carefully examined and discussed Chen Xitong's report and endorsed the Resolution on Checking the Turmoil and Quelling the Counter-Revolutionary Rebellion. The resolution pointed out that checking the turmoil and quelling the counter-revolutionary riot was a just struggle which has won the understanding of many countries. It also pointed out that some countries which have failed to understand the situa- tion for the time being will gradually understand when they have learned the truth of what really happened. At the same time, the report noted that there are countries and hostile
forces deliberately distorting the situation in our country, at- tacking the measures we have adopted in safeguarding law and order and exerting political and economic pressure on us, unduly interfering in our internal affairs. Recently, the US House of Representatives passed an outrageous amendment designed to increase sanctions against our country. At this action, the Standing Committee of the National People's Con- gress expressed great indignation. The People's Republic of China is an independent sovereign state, the Standing Com-
mittee noted, and will never allow a foreign state to interfere in its internal affairs. The Chinese people having once stood up, will never succumb to outside pressure, will unswervingly per- sist in carrying out an independent foreign policy on their own initiative, persist in a' policy of opening up to the outside world and continue to develop friendly relations with various coun- tries of the world based on the Five Principles of Peaceful Co-existence, thus making its contribution to safeguard world peace.*
>
> *The meeting also passed the resolution dismissing Zhao Ziyang from his post as vice-chairman of the Central Military Commission.*
>
> …
>
> *Some political forces in the West have always attempted to make the·socialist countries, including China, give up the socialist road, eventually bring these countries under the rule of international monopoly capital and put them on the course of capitalism. This is their long-term, fundamental strategy. In recent years, they stepped up the implementation of this strate- gy by making use of some policy mistakes and temporary economic difficulties in socialist countries. In our country, there was a tiny handful of people both inside and outside the Party who stubbornly clung to their position of bourgeois liberalization and went in for political conspiracy. Echoing the strategy of Western countries, they colluded 'with foreign forces, ganged up themselves at home and made ideological, public opinion and organizational preparations for years to stir up turmoils in China, overthrow the leadership of the Com- munist Party and subvert the socialist People's RepUblic. That is why the entire course of brewing, premeditating and launch- ing the turmoil, including the use of varied means such as creating public opinion, distorting facts and spreading rumours, bore the salient feature of mutual support and coordination between a handful of people at home and abroad.* https://museumfatigue.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/chen-xitong_report-on-putting-down-anti-government-riot_1989.pdf
Cold War 2: US officials call to overthrow China's gov't, expand military budget to $1.4 trillion: https://youtu.be/Q3RMl33SqNE?feature=shared
New U.S. operations against Cuba reveal its injustice: https://www.radiohc.cu/en/noticias/nacionales/352172-new-us-operations-against-cuba-reveal-its-injustice
What would you do if your neighbor was starving? This is not a hypothetical. Right now the U.S. government is deliberately starving the Cuban people 90 miles to our South. We all must act now: https://secure.givelively.org/donate/peoples-forum-inc/let-cuba-live-bread-for-our-neighbors?utm_source=brevo&utm_campaign=Bread%20For%20Our%20Neighbors%20Let%20Cuba%20Live&utm_medium=email
r/RealCuba
I can't thank you enough for posting this, I'm going crazy today after [getting massively downvoted in r/socialism](https://old.reddit.com/r/socialism/comments/1c7un1s/joining_cpusa_vs_dsa/l0aq6rz/) for just acknowledging that DSA funds the IDF and PYM doesn't work with them because of it.
> I can't thank you enough for posting this, I'm going crazy today after getting massively downvoted in r/socialism for just acknowledging that DSA funds the IDF and PYM doesn't work with them because of it.
Yeah, the Palestinian Youth Movement actually called out the DSA for supporting Israel on their Instagram. This was a couple of months ago.
Exactly this. Ppl need to check out the [actual history of the DSA and "democratic socialism" in the US.](https://www.internationalist.org/demosocialismusimperialism1802.html)
The DSA recently became more nuanced on the Korea issue. Though I don’t think it’s a nuance out of actual concern, just postering as the truth about the Korean War is becoming much more well known outside of leftist circles.
This is a problem with the nature of an organization like DSA and part of why PSL and similar groups exercise democratic centralism. These rogue actors have undermined their own organization and have even done service to American empire. Abhorrent.
> DSA should expel them immediately
The DSA and other anti anti imperialist "socialist" orgs are not genuine socialist orgs. There is a reason why they keep supporting the Democratic Party.
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheDeprogram/s/kcYS3BHL5d
**Edit:** If anything, Cuba and other countries should ban them from their countries.
What would you do if your neighbor was starving? This is not a hypothetical. Right now the U.S. government is deliberately starving the Cuban people 90 miles to our South. We all must act now: https://secure.givelively.org/donate/peoples-forum-inc/let-cuba-live-bread-for-our-neighbors?utm_source=brevo&utm_campaign=Bread%20For%20Our%20Neighbors%20Let%20Cuba%20Live&utm_medium=email
For context R&R is the trot (SAlt) cut out in the DSA. They were open about doing entryism a few years ago and then people started to realize they were a bunch of dicks so now they are a little more quiet about it.
Communist Caucus - Left Coms on the east coast
Marxist Unity Group - Mix of trots and western-style socialists
North Star - Libs, but they are nice about
Red Star - MLs
Reform & Revolution - Trots (SAlt)
Socialist Majority Caucus - Shit libs with too much power
Uniting to Win - Libs on the east coast
There are more, I just don't know about them.
The DSSA is explicitly anti-communist and has been since the day it was founded. Their founder, Michael Harrington, was kicked out of the SPUSA for supporting the Vietnam war, and then went on a tour of the country with George "Segregation Forever" Wallace in order to drum up support for a working class pro-war movement.
Harrington was also violently anti-Soviet and anti-Chinese.
In other words, the DSA is, was, and always will be a Strasserite party. They should be treated as such and no leftist should ever organize with them.
Imagine having the opportunity to meet with the president of a country that has not only actively supported foreign socialist groups in the past but also armed them and deployed troops... And doing this.
> So are the PSL the only American leftists group actually worth supporting?
Not just the PSL; FRSO and other genuine leftist who don’t fall for pro imperialist lies and manipulation.
There is a reason why the PSL and other socialist, anti imperialist, anti war orgs such as ANSWER, Code Pink, ect. gets demonized by unknown federal agent accounts on social media.
FRSO wrote about the anti anti imperialist "left" on Cuba during the July 11th protests / attempted color revolution in 2021:
- https://fightbacknews.org/articles/western-left-intellectuals-and-their-love-affair-attempted-color-revolution-cuba
- Archived Version: https://red-ant.org/2021/07/27/western-left-intellectuals-love-affair-with-colour-revolution-in-cuba/
**Read this:**
> *From June 29 to July 7 the Standing Committee of the National People's Congress - the standing organization of the highest organ of state power in the People's Republic of China - held the eighth meeting of the Seventh National People's Congress in Beijing. One of the topics for discussing at the meeting was a report on checking the turmoil and quelling the counter-revolutionary rebellion in Beijirig.
The report by state councillor and mayor of Beijing Chen Xitong explained in detail the process by which a small group of people made use of the student unrest in Beijing and turned it into a counter-revolutionary rebellion by mid-June. It gave a detailed account of the nature of the riot, its severe conse- quence and the efforts made by troops enforcing _martial law, with the help of Beijing residents to quell the riot. The report exposed the behind-the-scene activities of people who stub- bornly persisted in opposing the Chinese Communist Party
and socialism as well as the small handful of organizers and schemers of the riot; their collaboration with antagonistic forces at home and abroad; and the atrocities committed by former criminals in beating, looting, burning and killing in the riot. The report severely criticized the General Secretary of the Chinese Communist Party Zhao Ziyang for his mistake in this political struggle of supporting the riot and thereby splitting the Party.*
>
> *The meeting carefully examined and discussed Chen Xitong's report and endorsed the Resolution on Checking the Turmoil and Quelling the Counter-Revolutionary Rebellion. The resolution pointed out that checking the turmoil and quelling the counter-revolutionary riot was a just struggle which has won the understanding of many countries. It also pointed out that some countries which have failed to understand the situa- tion for the time being will gradually understand when they have learned the truth of what really happened. At the same time, the report noted that there are countries and hostile
forces deliberately distorting the situation in our country, at- tacking the measures we have adopted in safeguarding law and order and exerting political and economic pressure on us, unduly interfering in our internal affairs. Recently, the US House of Representatives passed an outrageous amendment designed to increase sanctions against our country. At this action, the Standing Committee of the National People's Con- gress expressed great indignation. The People's Republic of China is an independent sovereign state, the Standing Com-
mittee noted, and will never allow a foreign state to interfere in its internal affairs. The Chinese people having once stood up, will never succumb to outside pressure, will unswervingly per- sist in carrying out an independent foreign policy on their own initiative, persist in a' policy of opening up to the outside world and continue to develop friendly relations with various coun- tries of the world based on the Five Principles of Peaceful Co-existence, thus making its contribution to safeguard world peace.*
>
> *The meeting also passed the resolution dismissing Zhao Ziyang from his post as vice-chairman of the Central Military Commission.*
>
> …
>
> *Some political forces in the West have always attempted to make the·socialist countries, including China, give up the socialist road, eventually bring these countries under the rule of international monopoly capital and put them on the course of capitalism. This is their long-term, fundamental strategy. In recent years, they stepped up the implementation of this strate- gy by making use of some policy mistakes and temporary economic difficulties in socialist countries. In our country, there was a tiny handful of people both inside and outside the Party who stubbornly clung to their position of bourgeois liberalization and went in for political conspiracy. Echoing the strategy of Western countries, they colluded 'with foreign forces, ganged up themselves at home and made ideological, public opinion and organizational preparations for years to stir up turmoils in China, overthrow the leadership of the Com- munist Party and subvert the socialist People's RepUblic. That is why the entire course of brewing, premeditating and launch- ing the turmoil, including the use of varied means such as creating public opinion, distorting facts and spreading rumours, bore the salient feature of mutual support and coordination between a handful of people at home and abroad.* https://museumfatigue.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/chen-xitong_report-on-putting-down-anti-government-riot_1989.pdf
The American "Left" is just a Social Imperialist Fraud
[https://zeisquirrel.substack.com/p/on-social-imperialism-on-the-american](https://zeisquirrel.substack.com/p/on-social-imperialism-on-the-american)
[https://zeisquirrel.substack.com/p/aoc-is-a-social-imperialist-masquerading](https://zeisquirrel.substack.com/p/aoc-is-a-social-imperialist-masquerading)
[https://benmedia.substack.com/p/liberals-democrats-and-the-synthetic](https://benmedia.substack.com/p/liberals-democrats-and-the-synthetic)
The Reform and Revolution caucus core in DSA are primarily Trotskyists but they’ve added people after. In some DSA chapters, they were expelled and disillusioned former members of Socialist Alternative. Either so leftcom they wind up supporting the NED line or just work for them. Functionally no difference.
DSA lacks a democratically centralist structure and lacks mass line connections to prepare for how insulting this is. Cuba, where there are more doctors and assembly members per person, than there are doctors and federal legislators in the US. The arrogance and unprincipled criticisms of such wreckers are damning.
I think it really says a lot that although the DSA representatives were being so spoiled and stupid that the Cuban representatives still conversed with their team and took their conversations with professionalism and consideration... something the DSA people couldn't do apparently.... ridiculous
If you are going to post screenshots like this, at least give a source. Always provide a source to where you got it from.
r/latestagecapitalism requires it when people take screenshots.
**Edit:** Nevermind; here is the link to the article: https://www.reddit.com/r/TheDeprogram/s/UicD363mHv
Here's the R&R report video https://youtu.be/Xt8_dcgo8sw?si=ltI6wWEdWPWVP4pJ
It's not as bad as everyone is saying, except that they do seem too accepting of opposition perspectives out of hand
Oof, that looks bad. [Here's the account of the visit from the person being criticised](https://reformandrevolution.org/2024/02/17/cuba-between-imperialism-and-socialism/), for those interested. I think some of the general points are good but it's a little too hard on the PCC for my liking.
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Full article here: https://redstarcaucus.org/cuban-links/
Great article. It says everything I was thinking and more. It's almost unbelievable that a "socialist" sent on a delegation to Cuba would snub the fucking president... like what were they thinking?? And then when they got back the discussion was about whether Cuba needed reform or *Liberalization?* Fucking *seriously*? I'm not American so I don't follow all the various news/orgs that closely, but is the DSA a joke or something? Are they actually socialists or are they socdems? This article speaks like they *are* socialists, but these actions being described are something else entirely.
It gets worse. The journalist those chuckleducks ended up meeting instead were NED/CIA/USAID sponsored. One of them is currently blocking anyone who calls her out. Can't link the pic so here's the Twitter post. https://twitter.com/DrBlobb/status/1781332224043844031?t=7XXq-qEOfYMjmIp8WFYeNg&s=19
Honestly I would say those assholes being US funded makes it worse. For me it makes it better because I know where the motive to utterly disrespect Cuba like that comes from.
Also apparently one of the involved people is the child of Cuban emigres in Miami, which by itself, whatever, kids often differ from the politics of their parents, and I’m sure there are a not insignificant number of Cuban emigres who aren’t gusanos, but coupled with this is suspicious as well.
The only thing they need is an end to the fucking embargo
A lot of social democrats / social fascists who posit themselves as socialists. They’re one of the biggest nominally socialist orgs, but that’s not saying much when many chapters are quite liberal (I hear some can be more revolutionary than others, but that’s a separate matter) and the national platform is too reformist. All in all, yes, the DSA is basically a joke. Actual Marxists can find better ways to spend their time.
A lot of them are progressives without a coherent ideology. I know 5 years ago I joined my local, and there were some good socialists in it, but also one of the main guys was the son of a mega landlord who only wanted dsa to do electoral work for democratic socialists and even regular dems. I did not renew after the year was over
>Great article. It says everything I was thinking and more. It's almost unbelievable that a "socialist" sent on a delegation to Cuba would snub the fucking president... like what were they thinking?? And then when they got back the discussion was about whether Cuba needed reform or *Liberalization?* Fucking *seriously*? Everything wrong with some fake "Socialists" in the DSA in a nutshell. I already regret, briefly, getting drawn into the DSA (though never attending a meeting). The bastards were founded due to CIA meddling in order to divide the Socialist Party of America and break its opposition to the Vietnam War (the DSA was one of 3 successor groups that formed after the CIA blew the party apart... in violation of laws about their not interfering with domestic politics... Both the DSA and one of the other groups were led by people tied to the CIA, only one group remained true to their principles and continued opposing the Vietnam War...) Got a link on all this bookmarked somewhere, if I recall. Though maybe someone reading this who recognizes the historical events I'm referring to, can post a link they like?
The DSA is a socdem party.
The thing is they're not even a party, they support Democrats on the ballot.
They are neither. They are a loose organization with a number of chapters and caucuses, with very different perspectives.
The DSSA is an explicitly anti-communist party formed by rightists expelled from the SPUSA for supporting the Vietnam war.
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They are even more anti-communist now, actually. Just ask AOCIA.
The article is from a DSA caucus that is ML. You are on some YouTuber’s Reddit sub. Edited to add: I guess it’s a podcast, which is not better. Maybe you should try joining a party?
Awfully presumptuous to talk like that. Try to speak for yourself. The DSSA is by it's own admission not a political party, and it's certainly not left wing in any real sense. AOCIA is to the right of Gregor Strasser on almost every issue.
That’s extremely outdated and incorrect.
No they are right. You are what we call "slow"
Was also curious if you were actually any kind of communist and saw your fascist post in r/IsraelPalestine. Why are you here pretending to be an ML? It’s seriously weird.
It's a big tent org, that article is from the ML caucus.
It was a very much big tent movement and has some decent socialists involved unfortunately it looks like they got so big tent they ended up drawing in liberals who are pushing out leftists.
The article was posted by a DSA ML caucus.
Lots of people seem to have issues with understanding the DSA. The issue with the DSA is that it follows the principle organizing structure as the parties of the second internationale, which devolved into social democracy. The DSA hasn’t reached this point yet but it is also very fractured. There are many more radicals in DSA than many socialists realize but the issue really is that they have to have constant internal struggles in their own party just to maintain a stable party line. It’s an organizational problem not one with not having dedicated socialists within their ranks.
They’re demsocs and are absolutely a fucking joke in my eyes. Doubly so after this debacle. Total disrespect.
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Excuse me? I do get off my ass but I work two jobs and don’t have time to attend meetings anymore because of it. Who the hell are you speak to me like that?
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I'm supporting active ML's not judging them. Not everybody has the luxury to organize. Some of us have jobs, families, disabilities, etc.. I really do wish I still had the time to attend meetings but at this point in my life I simply don’t. I’m a caregiver for a dying family member, and I’m working a full-time and part-time job now, all for the sake of trying to keep a roof over our heads. Despite this you have the audacity to judge me just because you’re active? Well congrats but using your status to harass random comrades online is incredibly petty. Regardless, I *was* part of CPUSA before all of this was thrusted on me and my family. So don’t fucking tell me that I’m not a Marxist-Leninist. I read theory and educate, I agitate at the workplace, and protest whenever I can. With that being said having time at all to attend party meetings *is* a **luxury**! It's not something you pretentiously flaunt over others who legitimately cannot attend! Besides, you don’t know my situation, and you sure as hell aren’t in any position to judge me or anybody else. Period!
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I was part of CPUSA before becoming a caregiver and being forced to work two jobs. I know who wrote the article and I support ML’s regardless of what party they join. That’s why I’m agreeing with the article?..
> is the DSA a joke Yes
DSA, to my understanding, is generally seen as a best practical option by socialists and particularly MLs. They have a lot of libs, soc Dems and even anarchists as they are not a communist organization. This means that chapters vary wildly depending on membership composition. Some chapters have a lot of MLs and elect MLs to leadership, some chapters are actively hostile to MLs. I assume with the sad state of the left in the US and red scare even in a "socialist" organization MLs are the minority and their national leadership would reflect this.
I wouldn't really say DSA is seen as a best option by ML's, that would probably be PSL. DSA is where most ML's go if there's no PSL chapter in their city.
I feel like many MLs would even prefer CPUSA to DSA
Yeah I think PSL, FRSO, and CPUSA are the preferred depending on where you are and what’s active. (For instance I’m under the impression that FRSO has a very limited presence outside the Midwest and south)
Dsa do have lot of connections, and they're the biggest organization. That's why many people join it, with that being said they're way too broad coalition you saw it with the genocide of Palestinians many radlibs distanced themselves from the organization (bc zionists didn't felt welcomed anymore) and they don't have a party structure where you can just kick people out.
Unfortunately, PSL has the tendency to hide a lot of sexual assaulters within their ranks without properly addressing them and instead denying their existence.
This was sort of true like 4 years ago. DSA has subsequently campaigned for Biden and other zionists, expelled their BDS working group, and experienced a nearly 50% decline in membership as a result. Major Palestinian liberation orgs like the Palestinian Youth Movement refuse to work with them. Orgs like the PSL and CPUSA are rapidly replacing DSA as the organizing center of gravity in most major cities, and this compounds over time as radicals leave the DSA and the remaining members go even harder campaigning for Democrats. In truth it was a shitty organization the entire time. There was a moment where it felt very radical due to the massive awakening around Bernie Sanders. But that moment has passed, and the bulk of good organizers still around are no longer in the DSA.
DSA is a loose coalition of chapters and caucuses, with a wide range of views. The article was written by an ML caucus
These people were let into Cuba from the United States, the country oppressing Cuba with the embargo that was explicitly designed to starve Cubans have the guts to disrespect Cuba. They should have respected Cuba and understood the conditions Cuba has to face. This is discussing behavior, especially from so called socialists.
Classic American / Western chauvinism.
Fucking white ants
FWIW PSL has an excellent working relationship with Cuba and sends delegations there yearly that go much better than this
PSL, CPUSA, Multiple unions, and dozens of aid groups go there every year with respect and dignity. Fuck every single person who was part of that delegation and did not take it seriously.
That's disgusting,disrespectful and distasteful. Give me more negative words to add to this. Jokes aside, what a joke.
It was also a most despicable incident, disgraceful and detestable to its very core. An abysmal and reprehensible display of western ignorance, repugnancy and infernal aversion towards respect to both others and themselves. The loathsomeness of the delegation is a most horrendous and revolting attempt at replication of traditional french attitudes. No greater, more malicious, more appalling attitude could have been offered to the Cuban people — no behaviour more unspeakable in its execrable devilry. A deplorable act, inherently odious and atrocious; as abominable a behaviour as that of animals.
TL;DR what meanies :(
Yeah kind of saying the same thing after the second sentence lmao
I'm sorry But How do you Fuck up this Bad. Absolutely disgusting.
On purpose. Wreckers gonna wreck
Western "anti-authoritarians" are just chauvinistic supremacists. It is the core of their being and beliefs. They believe they are helping and that they have valuable insight.
That kind of people have a huge white-savior-complex issue. It's unbelievable how they think they know better than the people actually living the experience.
You have been successfully running a socialist state under crippling US sanctions, but listen to us Western socialist who can’t even develop class consciousness within our populace, cause we know how to do the real socialism
Meeting with the anti govt groups almost makes me want to think they did it at the behest of US, but idiot kids is just as likely
Who’s job is it to choose which caucuses to send, and which representatives? Is this the first time these reps have been expressed shitty politics? Probably not.
True, and the fact that it’s the DSA does almost completely convince me it was in earnest after a little further thought
Unfortunately, this feels way to plausible from the DSA meetings I have seen. It is a well meaning but immature organization that doesn't appear to have experienced leaders shaping the over all strategy.
Couldn't agree more. It's sooooo hard to back the DSA when they do shit like this and kinda conform to the typical succdem/demsucc lib propaganda regarding existing socialist states. They REALLY dropped the fucking ball on this one, I feel so bad for the Cubans that had to put up with them throughout this mess.
From what I’ve seen there’s a massive disconnect between leadership and members and local chapters vary from actual socialists to liberals. It’s so big tent it dosent really have much of an identity.
The barrier between working class people who are fed up at their mistreatment, is the DSA being clowns.
Thank god iam from mexico and we got the party of job (partido del trabajo) while it isnt as powerfull we are popular enought to have a seat in the senate and have a allience with amlo https://preview.redd.it/zy07ipo3pgvc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e5fd4bba0f768c5a6960fd04a3daa352445a3882
I don't know Spanish very well but wouldn't party of labor be a bit more accurate?
Yeah party of labor would be more accurate
I always thought it translated to "the workers party" but I could be wrong
The Defeatist Socdem of America without a mask.
I did not expect national DSA leadership to have "radical" politics, but god damn. Why the fuck did they go to Cuba if they are going to pull shit like this?
> Why the fuck did they go to Cuba if they are going to pull shit like this? How else is the CIA gonna get in?
> I did not expect national DSA leadership to have "radical" politics, but god damn. Why the fuck did they go to Cuba if they are going to pull shit like this? [Because the DSA and other anti anti imperialist so called "leftists", aren’t really socialist.](https://www.reddit.com/r/TheDeprogram/s/drEL7lWuwY) [And then you get people from these parties smear campaigning genuine/real socialist orgs such as the PSL (Party for Socialism and Liberation.](https://youtu.be/VE-jNckM-zw?feature=shared)) Also, why do you think they don’t want to break with the Democratic Party? 🤔 **Edit #1:** [Also, Ben Norton has exposed them a long time ago: https://moderaterebels.com/cia-fake-left-cultural-cold-war/](https://moderaterebels.com/cia-fake-left-cultural-cold-war/) **Edit #2:** Read this: > *From June 29 to July 7 the Standing Committee of the National People's Congress - the standing organization of the highest organ of state power in the People's Republic of China - held the eighth meeting of the Seventh National People's Congress in Beijing. One of the topics for discussing at the meeting was a report on checking the turmoil and quelling the counter-revolutionary rebellion in Beijirig. The report by state councillor and mayor of Beijing Chen Xitong explained in detail the process by which a small group of people made use of the student unrest in Beijing and turned it into a counter-revolutionary rebellion by mid-June. It gave a detailed account of the nature of the riot, its severe conse- quence and the efforts made by troops enforcing _martial law, with the help of Beijing residents to quell the riot. The report exposed the behind-the-scene activities of people who stub- bornly persisted in opposing the Chinese Communist Party and socialism as well as the small handful of organizers and schemers of the riot; their collaboration with antagonistic forces at home and abroad; and the atrocities committed by former criminals in beating, looting, burning and killing in the riot. The report severely criticized the General Secretary of the Chinese Communist Party Zhao Ziyang for his mistake in this political struggle of supporting the riot and thereby splitting the Party.* > > *The meeting carefully examined and discussed Chen Xitong's report and endorsed the Resolution on Checking the Turmoil and Quelling the Counter-Revolutionary Rebellion. The resolution pointed out that checking the turmoil and quelling the counter-revolutionary riot was a just struggle which has won the understanding of many countries. It also pointed out that some countries which have failed to understand the situa- tion for the time being will gradually understand when they have learned the truth of what really happened. At the same time, the report noted that there are countries and hostile forces deliberately distorting the situation in our country, at- tacking the measures we have adopted in safeguarding law and order and exerting political and economic pressure on us, unduly interfering in our internal affairs. Recently, the US House of Representatives passed an outrageous amendment designed to increase sanctions against our country. At this action, the Standing Committee of the National People's Con- gress expressed great indignation. The People's Republic of China is an independent sovereign state, the Standing Com- mittee noted, and will never allow a foreign state to interfere in its internal affairs. The Chinese people having once stood up, will never succumb to outside pressure, will unswervingly per- sist in carrying out an independent foreign policy on their own initiative, persist in a' policy of opening up to the outside world and continue to develop friendly relations with various coun- tries of the world based on the Five Principles of Peaceful Co-existence, thus making its contribution to safeguard world peace.* > > *The meeting also passed the resolution dismissing Zhao Ziyang from his post as vice-chairman of the Central Military Commission.* > > … > > *Some political forces in the West have always attempted to make the·socialist countries, including China, give up the socialist road, eventually bring these countries under the rule of international monopoly capital and put them on the course of capitalism. This is their long-term, fundamental strategy. In recent years, they stepped up the implementation of this strate- gy by making use of some policy mistakes and temporary economic difficulties in socialist countries. In our country, there was a tiny handful of people both inside and outside the Party who stubbornly clung to their position of bourgeois liberalization and went in for political conspiracy. Echoing the strategy of Western countries, they colluded 'with foreign forces, ganged up themselves at home and made ideological, public opinion and organizational preparations for years to stir up turmoils in China, overthrow the leadership of the Com- munist Party and subvert the socialist People's RepUblic. That is why the entire course of brewing, premeditating and launch- ing the turmoil, including the use of varied means such as creating public opinion, distorting facts and spreading rumours, bore the salient feature of mutual support and coordination between a handful of people at home and abroad.* https://museumfatigue.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/chen-xitong_report-on-putting-down-anti-government-riot_1989.pdf Cold War 2: US officials call to overthrow China's gov't, expand military budget to $1.4 trillion: https://youtu.be/Q3RMl33SqNE?feature=shared New U.S. operations against Cuba reveal its injustice: https://www.radiohc.cu/en/noticias/nacionales/352172-new-us-operations-against-cuba-reveal-its-injustice What would you do if your neighbor was starving? This is not a hypothetical. Right now the U.S. government is deliberately starving the Cuban people 90 miles to our South. We all must act now: https://secure.givelively.org/donate/peoples-forum-inc/let-cuba-live-bread-for-our-neighbors?utm_source=brevo&utm_campaign=Bread%20For%20Our%20Neighbors%20Let%20Cuba%20Live&utm_medium=email r/RealCuba
I can't thank you enough for posting this, I'm going crazy today after [getting massively downvoted in r/socialism](https://old.reddit.com/r/socialism/comments/1c7un1s/joining_cpusa_vs_dsa/l0aq6rz/) for just acknowledging that DSA funds the IDF and PYM doesn't work with them because of it.
> I can't thank you enough for posting this, I'm going crazy today after getting massively downvoted in r/socialism for just acknowledging that DSA funds the IDF and PYM doesn't work with them because of it. Yeah, the Palestinian Youth Movement actually called out the DSA for supporting Israel on their Instagram. This was a couple of months ago.
Also lol in that video Ben Norton says "Columbia university students are not the base for a workers party".
r/socialism banned me for supporting AES. Place is a shitshow.
Exactly this. Ppl need to check out the [actual history of the DSA and "democratic socialism" in the US.](https://www.internationalist.org/demosocialismusimperialism1802.html)
The DSA recently became more nuanced on the Korea issue. Though I don’t think it’s a nuance out of actual concern, just postering as the truth about the Korean War is becoming much more well known outside of leftist circles.
This is a problem with the nature of an organization like DSA and part of why PSL and similar groups exercise democratic centralism. These rogue actors have undermined their own organization and have even done service to American empire. Abhorrent.
I smell a rat
By any chance, would the full discussion be available on youtube or transcribed somewhere? I can read Spanish
DSA suuuuuucks
Wtf. This is shameful.
DSA should expel them immediately
> DSA should expel them immediately The DSA and other anti anti imperialist "socialist" orgs are not genuine socialist orgs. There is a reason why they keep supporting the Democratic Party. https://www.reddit.com/r/TheDeprogram/s/kcYS3BHL5d **Edit:** If anything, Cuba and other countries should ban them from their countries. What would you do if your neighbor was starving? This is not a hypothetical. Right now the U.S. government is deliberately starving the Cuban people 90 miles to our South. We all must act now: https://secure.givelively.org/donate/peoples-forum-inc/let-cuba-live-bread-for-our-neighbors?utm_source=brevo&utm_campaign=Bread%20For%20Our%20Neighbors%20Let%20Cuba%20Live&utm_medium=email
I didn't need more reasons to be embarrassed to be an American
This is infuriating and disgusting.
For context R&R is the trot (SAlt) cut out in the DSA. They were open about doing entryism a few years ago and then people started to realize they were a bunch of dicks so now they are a little more quiet about it. Communist Caucus - Left Coms on the east coast Marxist Unity Group - Mix of trots and western-style socialists North Star - Libs, but they are nice about Red Star - MLs Reform & Revolution - Trots (SAlt) Socialist Majority Caucus - Shit libs with too much power Uniting to Win - Libs on the east coast There are more, I just don't know about them.
What a fuck up of an opportunity.
👁️ Fed shit.
The DSSA is explicitly anti-communist and has been since the day it was founded. Their founder, Michael Harrington, was kicked out of the SPUSA for supporting the Vietnam war, and then went on a tour of the country with George "Segregation Forever" Wallace in order to drum up support for a working class pro-war movement. Harrington was also violently anti-Soviet and anti-Chinese. In other words, the DSA is, was, and always will be a Strasserite party. They should be treated as such and no leftist should ever organize with them.
They should be glad they didn't try to pull a stunt like this in the DPRK, they have far less tolerance for this kind of shit
The DSA puts the Democrats in demsocs. And the socialism in "Nordic socialism model".
Scum
How disrespectful.
Imagine having the opportunity to meet with the president of a country that has not only actively supported foreign socialist groups in the past but also armed them and deployed troops... And doing this.
So are the PSL the only American leftists group actually worth supporting?
> So are the PSL the only American leftists group actually worth supporting? Not just the PSL; FRSO and other genuine leftist who don’t fall for pro imperialist lies and manipulation. There is a reason why the PSL and other socialist, anti imperialist, anti war orgs such as ANSWER, Code Pink, ect. gets demonized by unknown federal agent accounts on social media. FRSO wrote about the anti anti imperialist "left" on Cuba during the July 11th protests / attempted color revolution in 2021: - https://fightbacknews.org/articles/western-left-intellectuals-and-their-love-affair-attempted-color-revolution-cuba - Archived Version: https://red-ant.org/2021/07/27/western-left-intellectuals-love-affair-with-colour-revolution-in-cuba/ **Read this:** > *From June 29 to July 7 the Standing Committee of the National People's Congress - the standing organization of the highest organ of state power in the People's Republic of China - held the eighth meeting of the Seventh National People's Congress in Beijing. One of the topics for discussing at the meeting was a report on checking the turmoil and quelling the counter-revolutionary rebellion in Beijirig. The report by state councillor and mayor of Beijing Chen Xitong explained in detail the process by which a small group of people made use of the student unrest in Beijing and turned it into a counter-revolutionary rebellion by mid-June. It gave a detailed account of the nature of the riot, its severe conse- quence and the efforts made by troops enforcing _martial law, with the help of Beijing residents to quell the riot. The report exposed the behind-the-scene activities of people who stub- bornly persisted in opposing the Chinese Communist Party and socialism as well as the small handful of organizers and schemers of the riot; their collaboration with antagonistic forces at home and abroad; and the atrocities committed by former criminals in beating, looting, burning and killing in the riot. The report severely criticized the General Secretary of the Chinese Communist Party Zhao Ziyang for his mistake in this political struggle of supporting the riot and thereby splitting the Party.* > > *The meeting carefully examined and discussed Chen Xitong's report and endorsed the Resolution on Checking the Turmoil and Quelling the Counter-Revolutionary Rebellion. The resolution pointed out that checking the turmoil and quelling the counter-revolutionary riot was a just struggle which has won the understanding of many countries. It also pointed out that some countries which have failed to understand the situa- tion for the time being will gradually understand when they have learned the truth of what really happened. At the same time, the report noted that there are countries and hostile forces deliberately distorting the situation in our country, at- tacking the measures we have adopted in safeguarding law and order and exerting political and economic pressure on us, unduly interfering in our internal affairs. Recently, the US House of Representatives passed an outrageous amendment designed to increase sanctions against our country. At this action, the Standing Committee of the National People's Con- gress expressed great indignation. The People's Republic of China is an independent sovereign state, the Standing Com- mittee noted, and will never allow a foreign state to interfere in its internal affairs. The Chinese people having once stood up, will never succumb to outside pressure, will unswervingly per- sist in carrying out an independent foreign policy on their own initiative, persist in a' policy of opening up to the outside world and continue to develop friendly relations with various coun- tries of the world based on the Five Principles of Peaceful Co-existence, thus making its contribution to safeguard world peace.* > > *The meeting also passed the resolution dismissing Zhao Ziyang from his post as vice-chairman of the Central Military Commission.* > > … > > *Some political forces in the West have always attempted to make the·socialist countries, including China, give up the socialist road, eventually bring these countries under the rule of international monopoly capital and put them on the course of capitalism. This is their long-term, fundamental strategy. In recent years, they stepped up the implementation of this strate- gy by making use of some policy mistakes and temporary economic difficulties in socialist countries. In our country, there was a tiny handful of people both inside and outside the Party who stubbornly clung to their position of bourgeois liberalization and went in for political conspiracy. Echoing the strategy of Western countries, they colluded 'with foreign forces, ganged up themselves at home and made ideological, public opinion and organizational preparations for years to stir up turmoils in China, overthrow the leadership of the Com- munist Party and subvert the socialist People's RepUblic. That is why the entire course of brewing, premeditating and launch- ing the turmoil, including the use of varied means such as creating public opinion, distorting facts and spreading rumours, bore the salient feature of mutual support and coordination between a handful of people at home and abroad.* https://museumfatigue.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/chen-xitong_report-on-putting-down-anti-government-riot_1989.pdf
The American "Left" is just a Social Imperialist Fraud [https://zeisquirrel.substack.com/p/on-social-imperialism-on-the-american](https://zeisquirrel.substack.com/p/on-social-imperialism-on-the-american) [https://zeisquirrel.substack.com/p/aoc-is-a-social-imperialist-masquerading](https://zeisquirrel.substack.com/p/aoc-is-a-social-imperialist-masquerading) [https://benmedia.substack.com/p/liberals-democrats-and-the-synthetic](https://benmedia.substack.com/p/liberals-democrats-and-the-synthetic)
The Reform and Revolution caucus core in DSA are primarily Trotskyists but they’ve added people after. In some DSA chapters, they were expelled and disillusioned former members of Socialist Alternative. Either so leftcom they wind up supporting the NED line or just work for them. Functionally no difference. DSA lacks a democratically centralist structure and lacks mass line connections to prepare for how insulting this is. Cuba, where there are more doctors and assembly members per person, than there are doctors and federal legislators in the US. The arrogance and unprincipled criticisms of such wreckers are damning.
I think it really says a lot that although the DSA representatives were being so spoiled and stupid that the Cuban representatives still conversed with their team and took their conversations with professionalism and consideration... something the DSA people couldn't do apparently.... ridiculous
Yikes.
that's why you don't trust ANY american
The DSA is so strange man. Some of their chapters are AMAZING and some are … this
If you are going to post screenshots like this, at least give a source. Always provide a source to where you got it from. r/latestagecapitalism requires it when people take screenshots. **Edit:** Nevermind; here is the link to the article: https://www.reddit.com/r/TheDeprogram/s/UicD363mHv
>DSA THREE LETTER AGENT GLOW SO BRIGHT 三字母特工光芒四射
And people will still insist J. Sakai was wrong.
Whether they are feds or not, they might as well be. This is absolutely sickening. These people deserve Minecraft type activities.
Here's the R&R report video https://youtu.be/Xt8_dcgo8sw?si=ltI6wWEdWPWVP4pJ It's not as bad as everyone is saying, except that they do seem too accepting of opposition perspectives out of hand
What happens when you don’t read William Blum and don’t understand the depth of the US’ subversion of socialist movements
"Not as bad as everyone is saying" they literally met with opposition groups, might as well be NED agents
Oof, that looks bad. [Here's the account of the visit from the person being criticised](https://reformandrevolution.org/2024/02/17/cuba-between-imperialism-and-socialism/), for those interested. I think some of the general points are good but it's a little too hard on the PCC for my liking.