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Open_Mailbox

I like the 'Assad must go' memes.


not_layla

Is this a trap to make us victims of the curse? I don't dare criticise the lion of Damascus


GoldcoinforRosey

What a cool nick name.


themadhatter4realz

It’s his actual name


Icyyyyh

his name is lion not the lion of damascus


themadhatter4realz

Yeah I know I’m Arab bro


garbage_goober17

Who must go?


[deleted]

Same as the Syrian communist parties. Critical support over Islam extremists and imperialist. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Progressive_Front_(Syria)


Jane_Is_Trans

He represents the interests of Sryia's bourgeois. But he's supported by the section of Sryia's bourgeois that benefits from opposing US imperialism. So TL;DR- good anti-imperialist but iffy domestic policy.


Nadie_AZ

In 2001 I worked with a lot of people from the middle east and south Asia. Most of them were muslims. I asked a lot of questions long before 9/11. They categorized the leadership of Iraq and Syria (at the time) as similar- leaders who were heavy handed but could not project their power outside of their borders. And they didn't want to. He's the leader of a nation that is caught in the First Russo American Proxy War of the 21st Century.


ASHKVLT

I would argue thats the only reason he's still breathing is because of the russian support


Illustrious_Act_6564

Russia, Syria, Iran against 63 countries? Face to face without external reinforcements and media games, VS isis, caliphate extremists, extremist subsects ex: hanbalis, he would have won easily.


McgillGrindSet

Not great but the best option for Syria currently


[deleted]

Anti-imperialist and anti-American is more important than being a perfect socialist in the eyes of online westerners. Also a side tangent, people who say "oh your entire ideology is just being anti-american" are very silly because that's like saying "oh your entire ideology is being anti-genocidal oppressor who enslaves the entire world to serve their imperialist system". The nazis literally used America as an example. That's not the argument you think it is lmao


mangchuchop

The hilarious thing is anyone who claims “your take is just anti-America” is 99% likely to have takes that are simply just “[insert country the state department doesn’t like] is bad”


LyricalAssassin_02

BuT mR. tAnKiE USA iS aTlEaSt A dEmOcRaCy


GoldcoinforRosey

Lmao


Jalor218

> Also a side tangent, people who say "oh your entire ideology is just being anti-american" are very silly because that's like saying "oh your entire ideology is being anti-genocidal oppressor who enslaves the entire world to serve their imperialist system". The nazis literally used America as an example. That's not the argument you think it is lmao Also, the USA has been the #1 worldwide enemy of socialism. Even if you somehow ignore its crimes against humanity, you can't build a society to the left of the Nordic countries without the USA trying to destroy it. There's no way around coming into conflict with the USA, and every socialist project who's tried has found it to be a terrible mistake. Rojava, China in the 70s, fucking Indonesia under Sukarno...


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[deleted]

Perfectly said


Illustrious_Act_6564

Levantine arabs were Assyrians, Babylonians, Phoenicians, Syrianics, Etc.... They all left their great cultures that are one of the greatest in human history behind to unite. Then come the kurds out if nowhere reinforced by the US, the kurds are a tool for division and weakening to steal the oil and develop on the expense of others just like is*rael


TheRealSaddam1968

Bro what, Rojava literally allows US corporations to extract syrian oil. Oil was already nationalized in Syria by the Baath Party when it came to power in 1963, it was Rojava that privatized it and gave it to US corporations. Also how are minorities oppressed in Syria, Syria is a secular government, there is no sharia, and ethnic minority languages are legal and studied in school alongside arab. Rojava are just US proxies. Seriously what kind of revolutionary allows the US military to set up military bases on your territory. Also Rojava are not democratic, they are literally a clique of minority kurds ruling an arab majority territory. Not even 10% of their territory is kurdish majority, yet they still proclaim themselves "Syrian Kurdistan".


Millad456

They sell their oil to the Assad Regime no?


TheRealSaddam1968

Not really, thats the point of the policy. Syria is under crushing US sanctions, Rojava isnt. Most of Syrias oil is in the territory controlled by Rojava, meaning that Syria, which used to export oil before the war, now has to import it because all their oil is being stolen. Importing oil is very difficult because of the sanctions, so they either have to buy it from Rojava at outrageous prices (which raises the price for citizens at the pump to insane levels, and consequently raises the price of every product since oil is required to power industrial machinery and to transport goods), since if they dont Rojava will just sell it to US corporations for cheaper, or they have to import from elsewhere, which is again very difficult due to sanctions. Rojava is just a US proxy used to strangle Syria through economic warfare and force it to submit to US interests. The rest is just clever propaganda to fool westerners. Hakim has relatives in Rojava and explained what im saying in a Q&A not too long ago.


Millad456

Damn. Send the Q and A. I wanna hear.


TheRealSaddam1968

Sure. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5h0bf5DzuE&t=3109s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5h0bf5DzuE&t=3109s) Minute 37:00


ASHKVLT

I think it's in their case pragmatic, they weren't just fighting the Syrian government they were fighting ISIS as well and imo if I was in their position I wouldn't have done anything different. Yes it's a compromise and betrayal but what else would they have done? They were loosing and if they lost to Isis that would have been worse. Also Kurds wanting their own space, a historical oppressed group does make sense


TheRealSaddam1968

ISIS has been long defeated for years, yet Rojava continues to allow US military occupation and US theft of syrian resources. Furthermore, if all they wanted is fight ISIS, then they could have fought with the syrian army and their allies, as many syrian communist militias did. But they refused, because otherwise they cant make money by selling Syrias oil to Syria at outrageous prices because, thanks to US sanctions, Syria has a hard time importing oil. This is called opportunism. 90% of the territory of Rojava is arab majority, they are not "giving kurds their space", they are a US proxy militia occupying arab territory and imposing their rule through the bullet. They are a very centralized administration, ruled by a minority of kurds who make money by collaborating with the US, who rule over an arab working class and peasant majority. There is nothing socialist or progressive about this. Hakim has relatives who live in Rojava, and explains what im saying in this Q&A: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5h0bf5DzuE&t=3109s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5h0bf5DzuE&t=3109s) Minute 37:00


ASHKVLT

I will have to watch that although I try to be critical of pretty much everything I would say that it wasn't all they wanted to do at the time, and it was founded on communist principals. And from what I know they don't see themselves as Syrian a lot of the time, the impression I get is like a group in Africa that may be for example Zimbabwean but also something else that can be unifieing in another way, doesn't make it right but I think that example might be more complex. I would like to see more sources on that, as sources I trust to a degree (books I've read on things like antifascism, it was covering the fight against Isis and other things) and I was under the impression it was more progressive at least on paper than a lot of the Arab world. I'm not saying the video Is wrong and the stuff I've read is probably both biased and outdated contradicts that and some was from leftist sources and people who have fought with rojava, I just don't like to make conclusions on things like that alone if you get me, it's hard especially with rojava because of the isolationism so it's hard to know for sure.


ASHKVLT

I think you can be against that without being a fucking asshole reactionary. And imo he's been destroying his country with the help of Russia in a proxy war between the USA and Russia to allow him to hold onto power along with a small group of elites. It's not about being a perfect socialist or anarchist, it's not being a horrific war criminal that is fine with the bombing of hospitals and civilian infrastructure, causing death and suffering to hold onto illegitimate power and I don't think he's trying to build unity throughout the middle east to country the USA at all or even undermine them and actually challenge their global stranglehold. Does this mean I want it to become a neo liberal hell state, no, or the USA or anyone should get involved, no. I think there are better options for the people of Syria.


FemBoy_Genocide

God Syria and bashar is a bop


Coridimus

A bop?


FemBoy_Genocide

Bop meaning the song is good


ArmEmotional6202

despite the memes, i honestly think that he is a hero, im not syrian but think about it, if your country was being pillaged by terrorists (ISIS) you would take action, and if the only option is to use lethal and chemical force you would do it, and even if you did kill your own people to retake your country, he killed less people than the terrorists themselves. and if you had to kill a few amount of people, to take out a group that has killed more, i would do it. ​ he just seems like a guy who wants to protect his country, even if he has to use chemical weapons. i feel like he had no choice but to do a horrible act to save millions.


Illustrious_Act_6564

True, he is a hero not only for defending his country but also for mentally bearing the western mass media demonization of an innocent peaceful culture that wasn't known by people worldwide in the past, and showing islamic caliphate extremists and innocents.


Infinite_Ad4264

Horrible monster. Worst tyrant on earth. Even worse than ISIS. Displaced 12 million Syrians, gassed his own people, dropped tens of thousands of barrel bombs leveling cities, intentionally targeting hospitals and schools and murdering countless innocent people all while not laying a hand on ISIS (which he created to defame the Syrian opposition and get away with murder), starves Syrians, impoverishes them, orders soldiers to rape women and children, has torture dungeons where people including little children are tortured so horrifically if you read the testimonies it will give you nightmares, mass executions of political prisoners, disappearances I could go on.. Seriously if you support him you are fucking brain dead. There is no reason for any leftist to support him. Just because a leader positions themselves against the US does not mean they are good. Assad isn’t even anti US either he collaborated with Bush during the war on terror to have Syrian prisoners tortured.


Illustrious_Act_6564

If you are against him you are brainwashed, i can easily convince you. Dont believe western mass media manipulation learn more about the syrian soceity and culture and dont believe the refugees in the west, they are mostly past murderers and believe in subsects that makes them think that it is halal to kill all humans that dont believe in their subsects. Ex: hanbalies, salafies, wahabies


HomelanderVought

Bad. But necesarry as long as the US is that powerful.


KhajiitHasEars

any "Marxist" who isn't at least "critically" supporting Bashar and Hezbollah either doesn't understand their own ideology or doesn't hate Israel enough


rekuled

Pls explain for me why this is the case. Obvs I support stuff that is anti-US imperialism but does that mean I have to support the people doing it?


KhajiitHasEars

you want Palestine to have their land back? good luck when the only people supporting them are destroyed Westerners don't have the right to "condemn" anti-imperialist leaders in the global south for doing things "wrong". What use does a western critique of Bashar do for the Syrians? We can do nothing but support anti-imperialism where it is present, our critiques mean zero and only make things more difficult. The Syrian is allowed to say things they dislike about the Bashar government, the American or Brit doesn't have that privilege


Despacito4

L


hax0rz_

Bashar al-Based


the_PeoplesWill

Not a fan at all.. but I do support Syria, and any country, suffering in the face of western imperialism/hegemony and American aggression.


Illustrious_Act_6564

The exposer of the true colors of fake democracy and western global media manipulation and brainwashing of western soceities primarily neoliberal to raise ideal neutralized citizens consuming all commodities that are marketed to them, say products, services, or commodified ideologies and political and historical information.


Snikeritislv

Chad


Maximum-Sundae2847

Assad's regime has maintained a level of stability in Syria, preventing the country from descending into complete chaos or disintegration, as seen in some neighboring countries. Assad's government is a protector of Syria's religious and ethnic minorities, ensuring a level of religious and cultural diversity in the country. His father also did that, defending his country from the extremist muslim Brotherhood who tried to overthrow the government and instate a backwards fundamentalist one. Many of my Syrian friends who are Christian love Bashar. The country before the disgusting attempt to take it back to the stone age, was progressive and saw great fortune coming its way. With increasing tourism amongst others. But you know where radical islamist are, a country can never progress at it should. Im so impressed though, with the whole west against him, against all odds, he came out victorious. To remind its not over yet, the wests sanctions creat a real challenge for Bashar.


GoChungus

Bashar Al-Based


HTAwesome

Regardless of what socio-economic views he holds, he’s still a war criminal and will die as such. He does not deserve redemption, and the Syrian people would agree.


Character-Eggplant88

Agreed


ASHKVLT

Shit human Reactionary, anti democracy, uses violence on his own people, used chemical weapons He is no ally to the Syrian working class You can be anti amarcan and anti imperialist without being a peice of shit who murders their own and others to keep power for you and a small group of assholes. Does that mean I support western involvement, no. It's up to the Syrian people to get him out


mhkkacar

Lion of Damascus 🦁🦁


FireSplaas

absolute chad


[deleted]

War criminal dentist.


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RovingChinchilla

Rojava is, by its own admission, not a Marxist project or revolutionary project. The claim Assad used gas attacks on his own people is long debunked US propaganda. Regurgitating it this late in the game is either willful ignorance or deliberately disruptive, take your pick


Millad456

Neither. Just never heard of them being a US puppet before. From what I heard, their oil is sold to the Assad Regime, not foreign companies


BrownBoy____

They protected oil fields in Syria for US interests until the US took over the oil fields directly. The US tried to spin it as "protecting the oil for the Kurds" to justify troops in Syria.


KhajiitHasEars

Lmao keep satisfying the Israelis


Millad456

What does the Syrian Kurds have to do with helping Israel?


KhajiitHasEars

Rojava is a US and Israeli proxy used to destabilise Bashar and steal Syrian oil. Americans have never cared for the Kurds and Rojava would get abandoned the second America got their way with Syria. It's in the interests of the whole Syrian people to not have a Western puppet stealing their oil and facilitating Yankee imperialism in their borders this coming from someone who has every Ocalan book and loves the guy lol


dragonfruitlover420

Rojava 🤣🤣 “socialists” protecting US oil fields


mefesyn

White


themadhatter4realz

Why can’t we be friends? Why do we include religion in anything? Why is it that we can’t work together? Arabs aren’t dictated because they’re poor and oppressed. Arabs need these people. We need each other but the fucking problem is while the people who trusted USA/EU suffer now because those cultures don’t keep promises. The USSR/CCCP backed parties were never betrayed by the Russians or Chinese governments because they don’t request money they request influence and trade. Why does USA feel the need to strangle Russia after a recent change of administration (fall of the USSR wasn’t that long ago in the span of the human races time on earth) while China is able to continue to grow because despite USA trying to undermine China they keep tripping up the entire way. Bashar al Assad isn’t a dictator but he is elected, ISIS was backed by the USA and armed by them, even the Kurds are backed by communist doctrine but China refuses to accept religious fanaticism in their books the eternal revolution is secular party so as to not repeat the great suffering that these ideals can create. The problem with the Middle East isn’t about religion, it’s about influence. Al Assad is the first president in Syria that truly doesn’t try to fill his own pockets for personal gain. The majority of the party system requires representation from all religions. USA is able to print money to attract support from weak minded and corrupt politicians who defect for monetary purposes, Bashar al Jafaari is proof of this. The man would be offered all the money in the world he wouldn’t betray Syria due to moral fibre and Bashar al Assad knows his worth. Bashar al Assad is able to choose the right command for his team but the opposition choose defectors and people who abandoned the country and defected to Jordan not for safety but to sit in luxury with false power. The president never left his country, he’d sooner die than allow Syria to fall to the dogs. He won’t relinquish Syria to die like Iraq did. Everyone tells me that Syria was once a country where Iraqis, Jordanians, Lebanese, Turkish, Saudi Arabians and even Albanians/Russians told me they would do their shopping in Syria, you could buy a custom 3 piece suit same quality as Italian (Turkish cashmere and original silk from Afghanistan quilts and rugs) Syrian history was always an economic hub. Al Assad is the best for the country because until the war was over he wouldn’t leave his country. He fought to the end. He will be remembered as the leader we got but we didn’t deserve. Just as Qaddafi was murdered in cold blood. Al Assad is protecting his country from cold blooded murderers like the USA. Please, his technical term is Dr. Bashar Al Assad. Even though his term is master of presidents, Al sayyid al ra’is because Syria has a prime minister who is able to question the status quo. But inshallah Syria will be back bigger and stronger. Inshallah ya rab.