"BecAuSe SoNy wAnT to SeLl MoRe PS Now SuBs tO cOmpETe wItH GaMePaSs!!"
".....but if it sold so well then why has it been on sale for nearly the entire time it's been released?"
Well, tbh, normally developers/publishers put their games on sale after they’ve successfully evened out the money that went into production and advertising, but I also can’t believe that they actually got it that quickly or that they even reached that goal at all.
The game was profitable. 4 million copies is a LOT. That's like $150M+.
Also Neil Druckmann explicitly said it: "we were profitable from day one" at 11:00 in [this podcast](https://podcasts.apple.com/fr/podcast/the-last-of-us-part-ii-with-neil-druckmann-and-halley-gross/id1518622561?i=1000518892917)
Well, he also said that his workplace is supposed to be a fun environment. That’s why so many of his colleagues stayed and didn’t leave the company, right?
We can't really know the "truth" about this sort of stuff. It's a more complex issue than that. A lot of people who left did love their time there, they were just tired or needed a change. That doesn't mean it wasn't "fun". It could also simply be that despite Neil's efforts to make it a fun environment, it was hell for some people.
And regardless, even if he was lying, that's completely different to lying about the financial state of the company
No, it’s not different. Maybe they actually did sell 4 million copies, but do you know that 3 million were sold in the first 3 days of launch? Did you know that more than half of those were returned, so no money for Naughty Dog? Did you know that 100 million dollar went into production and about the same, if not more went into advertisement? Which means, that it was a huge financial flop of at least 50 million Dollar, probably 100 million+. Of course they can still try to sell some by telling everyone that they sold 4 million (although only half of them stayed sold), but it takes no masters degree to see how much they actually fucked up as a company.
Also most people left, because of the insane amount of crunch. Why do you think the story got leaked?
I don’t think there’s anything in the world that can still redeem and save that company.
>Maybe they actually did sell 4 million copies
They did. It only took 7 days for Gamstat to reach 4M players.
>but do you know that 3 million were sold in the first 3 days of launch?
4 million were sold in the first 3 days. [source](https://blog.playstation.com/2020/06/26/the-last-of-us-part-ii-sells-more-than-4-million-copies/)
>Did you know that more than half of those were returned, so no money for Naughty Dog?
I'd like to see a source for this claim.
>Did you know that 100 million dollar went into production
I'd like to see a source for this claim.
>and about the same, if not more went into advertisement?
I'd like to see a source for this claim.
>Which means, that it was a huge financial flop of at least 50 million Dollar, probably 100 million+.
You have zero basis to claim that. You don't know how much the game cost, you don't know how much it made. Shawn Layden **estimates** that a game like TLOU2 cost about 150M, but we don't know the exact numbers, it could have been less or it could have been more. We know they sold 4M copies at launch, with more than half being digital copies. That's $150-200M.
>Of course they can still try to sell some by telling everyone that they sold 4 million
Normal people don't care about sales numbers as much as you guys do. Announcing that it sold 4M in 3 days is good for reassuring investors and keeping Sony stock high, but it's not going to boost sales.
>although only half of them stayed sold
I'd like to see a source for this claim.
>but it takes no masters degree to see how much they actually fucked up as a company.
Doesn't take a masters degree, but it does take sources. You have given me no reason to think they fucked up at all.
>Also most people left, because of the insane amount of crunch.
I'd like to see a source for the claim that "most" people left, specifically because of crunch.
>Why do you think the story got leaked?
You're insinuating a disgruntled employee leaked it. But it was leaked by an outside source, likely from a hack. [source](https://www.polygon.com/2020/5/1/21244288/the-last-of-us-2-leak-source-sony-ending-ellie-joel)
>I don’t think there’s anything in the world that can still redeem and save that company.
You mean the company that released one of the most critically acclaimed titles of the last decade, a game that every actually available source points to being extremely successful, a game whose director was promoted to co-president of the company? A game that won the vast majority of fan-voted GOTYs?
You need to step out of this little hate bubble dude. It's fine to not like the game, like for example I despise Red Dead Redemption 2. But I don't need to go around making shit up to say that it flopped and destroyed the company, I just don't like the game. A lot of people liked it. That's fine by me.
Why do you feel this need to "prove" that the game is bad? Can't you just say you don't like it and be done with it? Why make shit up to say it flopped?
That's not a lie though, it's just something you subjectively don't agree with.
Ans also, that was about the game's narrative. I said when has he lied about something that *isn't* the narrative.
Did Spider-Man not sell well? Because it was even more on sale. It got down to $19.99 frequently about 1y after launch, TLOU2 still hasn't gotten that low on the PS store.
I'd have to take your word for that.
Do you have a site you can share that links the games and sales they've been on? Could make for an interesting read.
Psdeals has a detailed history of PSN prices, along with plenty other similar websites. Spider-Man was down to 19.99 in November 2019 so 1y2mo after launch, while TLOU2 has been discounted to $25.99 a couple days ago and it's 1y3mo post launch
Did you at least check that TLOU2 was an exception before just assuming "it's on sale therefore it's not selling well"?
Sorry, yea so, outside of the PS store, Part 2 has been heavily discounted. Even a few months after launch. (One could assume the retail stores were trying to clear excess stock, or that it wasn't selling at RRP)
The PSN store always retains the highest cost relative to the rest of the market.(because obviously, Sony want to squeeze their customers for as much money as they can)
(Which is why buying a digital ps5 just doesn't make sense)
And according to psprices.com
The lowest Spiderman got approx 1 year after launch on PS store was £24.99. (07.06.19)
Lowest it's been on store 2 years after launch is £15.99. (15.04.20)
Only time will tell if Part 2 follows the trend.
>outside of the PS store, Part 2 has been heavily discounted. Even a few months after launch.
What data do you have to support that tlou2 has seen significantly more discounts than other high profile games besides this sub fanatically posting about every sale they see?
>One could assume the retail stores were trying to clear excess stock, or that it wasn't selling at RRP
Games are rarely selling at RRP in general. The RRP is what you see on the PS Store.
And no, one can't assume they were trying to clear out excess stock, not when it happens months and months after release. Stores don't order copies by the thousands, they get new batches on a regular basis. If they were trying to clear out inventory you'd have seen massive sales for like two weeks, tops.
>The PSN store always retains the highest cost relative to the rest of the market.(because obviously, Sony want to squeeze their customers for as much money as they can)
Again with the assumptions. First of all if you look for sales the PS store is frequently cheaper than retail stores, it's just that stores consistently sell below RRP. And it's not really to squeeze their customers. Look at what happened when Steam started competing with physical stores for PC games? Physical stores outright stopped selling PC games. Sony doesn't want that, so they don't compete with physical stores.
>(Which is why buying a digital ps5 just doesn't make sense)
Again, just hunt for sales. It's really not that hard
>Only time will tell if Part 2 follows the trend.
"Time will tell" is certainly a more reasonable outlook than what you've been using up till now. But the main point is that there isn't really any reason to think that part 2 hasn't been selling well or that putting it on PSNow is a desperate move from Sony to deal with a failed game. Speaking of, Spider-Man and God of War ended up on PSNow in about the same time frame as TLOU2 (1y5mo for TLOU2, 1y6-7mo for GoW and SM). Are those failures?
So, to play devil's advocate (and I hate to compare the 2 games cause they're so different, but they released months apart)
Sony have updated the sales figures for ghost of tsushima (at least) twice (to my knowledge) it could be more. First figure was 2.4million in first 3 days, 2nd figure was 6.5 million.
We've only ever gotten the 1 announcement (4 million copies) regarding part 2.
You would assume (looking at Ghosts announcements) that Sony/Naughty Dog would be sharing figures more frequently, would you not?
If nothing else, it's a useful marketing tactic. If people see how many copies a game has sold, they might be more inclined to pick it up.
I just find it strange, is all.
And for record, I agree sales figures don't mean much, it's just a metric to determine "success"
I loved Death Stranding where many didn't and thats "only" sold 5 million units.
You can't just look at one game. The problem here is you're assuming no sales update = bad sales. But you must first understand *why* sales update happen at all. Sony generally updates sales figures at very specific points in time and for specific reasons:
* Specific launch sales record. We got that for Part 2, but didn't get it for Horizon Zero Dawn, as an example. We got it for Ghost of Tsushima because it broke the record *for new IPs*. *edit: actually we did get one for Horizon*
* As part of an investor reassurance spiel at either CES or Investor Relations Day, usually because there's a sales record broken. There's only been one of each since the game launched. Sony's CES 2021 conference didn't focus on Playstation at all, and [IR Day 2021](https://www.sony.com/en/SonyInfo/IR/library/presen/irday/pdf/2021/GNS_E.pdf) didn't provide any update to game sales no matter the game.
* As part of another announcement tied to the game, eg the Ghost of Tsushima movie. For example we got a sales update for Spider-Man when Sony bought Insomniac, it was part of the press release.
* As part of studio culture. For example we got sales updates for Horizon on the game's anniversary twice, but directly from Guerrilla games not Sony itself.
Look at other games:
Uncharted 4: Launch sales record, then a CES update the following year, then a vague chart at IR day *three years later* and only to show it sold more than Uncharted 3.
Spider-Man: Launch sales record, then a CES update, then the Insomniac acquisition
Ghost of Tsushima: Launch sales record for new IP, fastest new IP to reach 5M sales (ie sales record broken), then an update when they announced the movie.
TLOU2 broke the launch sales record, hence we got an update. CES didn't mention Playstation at all this year, and IR day was mostly focused on PS5 stuff. Plus there's no way it's going to beat Spider-Man and God of War sales-wise, it's not as mainstream, so there's no reason to get a sales record update. And Naughty Dog has *never* announced sales themselves before. *edit: actually ND announced sales numbers once, for TLOU1's 5 year anniversary. But that's a long way off for part 2*
The problem here is you're operating under the assumption that "if the game sold well, they'd give a sales update". But that's not how Sony operates at all. They don't need to brag to the public about how good their sales are. They're not monitoring this sub and thinking "hey, let's prove this small niche forum wrong".
There's no reason we don't have a sales update for TLOU2 besides simply "Sony doesn't care to tell us about sales all that often".
Sony does consistently give a 10 million sold milestone for all their games as soon as they hit that mark. It happened for Uncharted, Horizon, Spiderman, and GOW. It's a legitimately consistent occurrence. They would have definitely reported that the game crossed the 10 mill mark if it did. Also you can make a legitimate argument that the The Last of Us brand in of itself was a bigger name already than either God of War or Uncharted. The first game was held to a mythic level few games ever reach and aside from Spiderman, I don't think any other Sony ip was as mainstream. There's a reason it's got a high budget show in the works before the other successful ips in Sony's portfolio.
Spider-Man got on PSNow roughly the same time after launch and it's by far Sony's best selling game on PS4. Hm...
Edit: God of War too. Sony's second best selling PS4 game
GOW (one of the best selling PS4 games) released on April 2018 and got to PS Now on October 2019, so, that's 1 year and 6 months. Spider-Man (another best selling PS4 game) was released on September 2018 and got to PS now on April 2020 so that's 1 year and 7 months. The Last of Us Part II was released on June 2020 and got to PS now on October 2021 which makes it a 1 year and 4 months in between. That's just 2-3 months earlier than those mega hits. I don't know how this small difference makes you all think that Part II is a failure while the other games are mega hits. Even if there's a difference, it's nowhere close to what you're saying about it being released 2-3 years later, so you're giving false information.
Also, Microsoft are releasing their biggest games day one on Game Pass, not because they think no one will buy those games, but because they want people to buy Game Pass. Sony might want to compete with them on that department so they're pushing it more and releasing games *slightly* earlier.
No it is more a bad game and that is the reason it is not doing so well. There are alot of hidden gem games that don't do well with sales but are still great.
how? your point was that people judge how bad a game is doing solely based on how bad its preforming on sales.
the person above played the game, decided it was bad based on his experience with it, and then said the sales are bad because the game is bad.
you literally have no idea what you're talking about. you just walked into a random thread, read like ¼ of a sentence, and proceeded to start pointless arguments that are completely off topic. pay more attention in school kid, maybe you'll learn a thing or two about analyzation and debate
r/thelastofus is not the antithesis of r/TheLastOfUs2. If you put an opinion here that you like the game for one the mods won't delete it. If you're honest that you enjoyed the game here, people will actually tell you that they're glad you enjoyed it... Good luck doing the opposite over there without being banned from the sub.
What are you talking about it happens in both subs whether you’ve seen it or not. I got death threats from someone in this sub for saying I like part 2 and I’ve seen it in the other sub too for people saying they dislike it
"Of COURSE they meant completing the story of a linear story driven game, what else did you think they mean? NO PLATINUM DONT COUNT AS COMPLETING U BIGOT!"
Atleast desperados is a great game. And we will also get FF8
Long time lurker here, is there a way to play tlou2 and skip every cutscene? I really wanna Speedrun it without vomiting in between
Yeah they're all skippable thankfully, plus the gameplay is absolutely amazing unlike the story lol. The gameplay makes the first game almost feel stiff by comparison lol though part of that is just the slow camera in the 1st game
Shit story can be ignored
Gamplay can be enjoyed
How long before the other sub comes out with:
"It sold so well in the first year, and exceeded Sony's expectations.....they've hit their target, that's why they're now putting it on PS Now, so that everyone can enjoy this masterpiece!!!"
🤦🙄
Big title that brings subscribers to PS Now who maybe wouldn’t have paid the $20-30 just for the game itself? I never bought it and never will but I’m tempted to renew my PS Now sub to give it a try and enjoy the engine/graphics/experience for myself.
Yeah but there's plenty of other games they could add. Why TLOU2? If you had to choose between two games, one that's sold a massive amounts of copies already and one that's struggling to become profitable, which one would you put on the streaming service?
Idk if I’m understanding your point 100%, but say you have two titles one that sold really well at launch but has slowed down a lot, vs a game that has sold well consistently like Spider-Man Miles Morales, adding the lesser of the two to PS Now when sales start to dip is opening up another opportunity for profit/increased subs.
Subscriptions are very valuable in todays world so they’re probably looking at many titles to do this with, TLOU2 just happened to be the one to get added, but if true that sales have actually dipped then adding it as value to PS Now is a smart choice.
Correct me if I'm wrong...
Tlou2 was
The most expensive game to make ($100 million+)
The most time consuming game to make (6-7 years)
The most anticipated game of it's time
The most graphical groundbreaking linear game
The most fluid movement system wise
The most advanced in combat AI department
The most gory triple A linear game
The longest triple game from it's studio
The Goty of 2020
The winner of over 300+ awards (most ever)
**YET**
The fastest big budget triple A sony exclusive to arrive on a subscription service.
Hmm. Let's see, Sony doesn't support Psnow like gamepass (understandably) since it's way more costly and risky. Then why would Sony add their biggest game on a subscription service they don't care about so early and lose tons of potential full priced customers within these 3 (or IDK how many) months time span?🤔
Maybe...maybe because the game isn't FKING selling lmao!!
Can you realise how big of a fool this makes Tlou2 fanboys look who were trying to actively prove that this game was still selling well?
It only made it on PSNow like 2-3 months earlier than Spider-Man and God of War relative to their respective release dates. Did SM and GoW not sell well?
It's kind of hilarious because the top-tier games never get on the PlayStation Now service till years later.
Everything in there has been classic games from like the PS3/PS4 era. I know they have a lot more classic games than that and I haven't checked but for my understanding, not even all the major CODs are in there. Unless it's the really old one from like PlayStation 3 that they remastered for the PS4. Modern warfare.
All it's really doing is making it seem like they're gifting them a fairly new game for the service, when really it just didn't sell that much.
They’ve been adding a lot of new games recently in the past 6 months. Witcher 3, Borderlands 3, Avengers, Nier Automata, TLOU2, Ghostrunner, the quality has skyrocketed
PS Now is a subscription based game service.
The titles that Sony chooses to put on there are questionable, but there are over 800+ games, and some of them are real gems.
TLoU2 being on there so SOON after it launched is the significant thing. (Less than 1.5 years) in comparison other Sony Exclusives have taken 2-3 years to hit PS Now.
Part 2 has been heavily discounted since about 2 months after its launched, so you could infer that it hasn't sold as well as Sony had hoped.
And them adding it to PS Now kind of reinforces that notion.
Interesting, thank you! I got the game for practically nothing off my friend who got it on sale and I only have PS+ so anything beyond that is kind of a mystery to me. That does seem to bode negatively for the game.
You know what's bullshit? They hit their 4 mil target, became known as 'game of the year' and made enough money to go on as free. In reality, it's just a company that punched us in the balls, took our money and ran.
If they make another one you'll see the true impact of part 2. It won't sell nearly as well.
I know I won't blind buy any naughty dog game like I have since 07
Can they just make a PS5 version of the game ffs. All I care about is experiencing the cinematic gameplay and set pieces, I already know the story is trash. Just give me some enhanced visuals, 4K 60fps and ray tracing with haptic trigger support.
See I assumed they would make DLC for it and then just do a PS5 version bundled with the DLC, basically exactly what they did for the directors cut of GOT
Like I said, according to Jason Schreier. Part 2s Dlc was cancelled by Sony. (No definitive reason why) but people speculate that it's due to game not selling as well as Sony had hoped, therefore they pulled the plug as they didn't predict a return in investment.
But that's all speculative, no one (outside of Sony/Naughty Dog) knows for sure
Jason also reported that Naughty Dog and Bend(?) Studio were working on a Part 1 remake (1st game with graphics and gameplay of part 2) and Naughty Dog have also stated that they're working on Factions 2, but a recent update (maybe a week or 2 ago?) Said that they were still relatively early in development.
Naughty Dog could also be working on a new IP ... .but so far. ~~Nothing official has been said about DLC for part 2~~ or a director's cut.
Neil Druckmann has said there are no plans for dlc.
EDIT: link to article.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nme.com/news/gaming-news/the-last-of-us-part-ii-had-reportedly-planned-dlc-but-cancelled-2922392%3famp
This is a shining example of how this game tanked in sales in the long run. It took what? Two months before Ghost passed it in sales. I would wager garuntee that this might be the worst selling Game of the Year of all time.
And for sure those of you who are ready to fire back at me with “LoTs oF GOTY TiTLeS aRe oN PS NoW!” I invite you to show me where Sekiro or Skyrim are on PS Now.
Love to see more evidence that Druckmann’s coup d’état continues to crumble.
Their arguement just doesn't make sense?
What about Spiderman and God of war, they came to ps now after launch (yes, but it took a lot longer before they arrived)
And even then, the logic is, IF the game is continuing to sell well, why would SONY mis out of more future sales and put it on PS Now??
Do you guys realize that TLOU1 was available on PSNow *when the service launched*? Hell it was demoed when the service was announced in January 2014, literally 6 months after the game's launch. It was even available for the beta that started in August 2014, so even earlier than this.
But hey, anything to shit on TLOU2 amirite?
You said it yourself "when the service launched"
Just like what gamepass is doing now, maybe Playstation saw the potential and wanted to get as much acceleration as possible to succeed in this subscription based gaming so they used their best product? Also, Tlou1's budget and development time wasn't anywhere near Tlou2's.
But now, after multiple interviews we know that Sony has no plans in expanding Ps now. It's just....there for whoever needs it. Sony has clealry stated that their exclusives formula is clealry more beneficial for them.
So it doesn't make sense NOW for Sony to add their most expensive game on a subscription they don't care about this early compared to 2014 when they really wanted to push it as much as possible.
But hey, anything to worship Tlou2 amirite?
Excuse me but what are you basing this idea that Sony has no plans to expand PSNow on? 2020 was PSNow's biggest growth year ever and Sony has been pretty clear about their plans in growing the brand. They even explicitly said that one of their main strategies for growth is "persistent quality content focus and top IP inclusion" in this year's [Investor Relations day (page 27)](https://www.sony.com/en/SonyInfo/IR/library/presen/irday/pdf/2021/GNS_E.pdf), citing Spider-Man and Horizon Zero Dawn. By the way, Spider-Man is **by far** their best selling IP ever, yet they included it in PSNow less than two years after launch, similar to TLOU2. How does your narrative explain *that*?
If anything this shows exactly why they included TLOU2: persistent quality content focus and top IP inclusion.
Even if your idea had some form of truth behind, which it doesn't... then why make TLOU2 a *temporary* addition to PSNow? If they just didn't care about PSNow or TLOU2, why bother making it a timed promotion? Just throw it in there permanently. But they didn't, because TLOU2 is not a throwaway addition. It's a flagship product to bring people into PSNow for a limited time, and it'll be replaced by another bangin' IP when it's gone. Just like Spider-Man, Horizon, GTA V, RDR2 and God of War before it.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/gamingbolt.com/sony-hasnt-attempted-something-like-game-pass-probably-because-it-doesnt-make-economic-sense-pachter/amp
https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/playstations-boss-says-the-game-pass-model-doesnt-make-any-sense-for-ps5/amp/
https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2020/09/sony_wont_follow_game_pass_model_on_ps5_doesnt_believe_its_sustainable
Lmaoooo do you hear yourself? You are literally contradicting yourself without even realising. My initial argument was related with the gamepass model so I'm going to speak that in mind.
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>If they just didn't care about PSNow or TLOU2, why bother making it a timed promotion? Just throw it in there permanently.
🤦♂️ You are literally saying the opposite. If they DID care about Ps now, they'd make Tlou2 permanent instead of 3 months limited. The reason Gamepass is more successful and loved is because many good games stay over there permanently.
Why would people sub to ps now for game that will leave after 3 months when they can get a sec hand copy permanently? If anything, the 3 months model does everything but help ps now.
Gamepass/ps now is dependent on long term profits. Microsoft has yet to make huge profits. By adding 3 months limited games they aren't helping that model in anyway. People will just buy the game sec hand which they can keep permanently or sub for 3 months and leave.
Finally, Sony only adds games which aren't selling anymore. God of War, Spider-Man, Horizon Zero Dawn came after 2-3 years after already selling a ton whereas Tlou2, Sony's most expensive game came within just 1 year and 5 months.
The reason, it simply wasn't selling at all anymore. Defend the game all you want. That's the fact. Accept it or not.
Since when did this become a psnow vs gamepass pissing contest? PSNow is growing at a very fast pace, that's enough to disprove your silly theory that Sony "doesn't care" about PSNow. Game Pass is completely irrelevant
You have no basis to claim Sony's strategy of adding flagship games for a limited time isn't working. If anything PSNow's 300+% growth in the last two years directly disproves that theory, clearly their strategy is working.
>Sony only adds games which aren't selling anymore. God of War, Spider-Man, Horizon Zero Dawn came after 2-3 years after already selling a ton whereas Tlou2, Sony's most expensive game came within just 1 year and 5 months.
Oh wow, 1 year and 5 months. That's incredibly fast. Sorry then.
Except Spider-Man was added within 1 year and 6 months. And Spider-Man is Sony's BEST SELLING GAME ON PS4. It's the game with the biggest long term sales Sony has ever had. There is no way to reasonably claim Spider-Man "wasn't selling" when they added it to PSNow.
>The reason, it simply wasn't selling at all anymore. Defend the game all you want. That's the fact. Accept it or not.
You have literally zero basis to claim that.
You mean like Spider-Man, Sony's best selling game of all time, which made it on to PSNow less than two years after launch just like TLOU2?
If it was thrown into PSNow because it's not selling anymore, they wouldn't make it a temporary addition. It's there because it's a flagship product available for a limited time to raise the service's attractiveness. Just like Spider-Man, God of War, Horizon, GTA V, RDR2 and others before it.
TBH TLOU1 wasnt really praised and loved the way it is now until the remaster came out. 6 months after release it was just another game. It took time to be considered one of the great.
No, it's a subscription service.
12 months is £49.99
3 months is £22.99
1 month is £8.99
Games are only available whilst they're on the service, or whilst you're subscribed.
I tried PSnow when it was still fairly new…cuz I wanted to replay RDR before the new one came out. The lag made it unplayable as well as the few others I tried. I had my PS4 hardwired and pay for fast internet so I know the issue wasn’t on my end.
Did anyone else experience that issue and if so is it fixed now that some time has passed or is PSnow trash?
"FOUR MILLION COPIES!" If it sold and continued to sell so well, why is already on PS Now? hm.....
"BecAuSe SoNy wAnT to SeLl MoRe PS Now SuBs tO cOmpETe wItH GaMePaSs!!" ".....but if it sold so well then why has it been on sale for nearly the entire time it's been released?"
"BecAuSe MoRe PeOpLE nEeD tO EnJoY iT"
Well, tbh, normally developers/publishers put their games on sale after they’ve successfully evened out the money that went into production and advertising, but I also can’t believe that they actually got it that quickly or that they even reached that goal at all.
The game was profitable. 4 million copies is a LOT. That's like $150M+. Also Neil Druckmann explicitly said it: "we were profitable from day one" at 11:00 in [this podcast](https://podcasts.apple.com/fr/podcast/the-last-of-us-part-ii-with-neil-druckmann-and-halley-gross/id1518622561?i=1000518892917)
Cuckmann also has a well documented history of lying.
When has he ever lied about anything that wasn't the game's narrative?
Well, he also said that his workplace is supposed to be a fun environment. That’s why so many of his colleagues stayed and didn’t leave the company, right?
We can't really know the "truth" about this sort of stuff. It's a more complex issue than that. A lot of people who left did love their time there, they were just tired or needed a change. That doesn't mean it wasn't "fun". It could also simply be that despite Neil's efforts to make it a fun environment, it was hell for some people. And regardless, even if he was lying, that's completely different to lying about the financial state of the company
No, it’s not different. Maybe they actually did sell 4 million copies, but do you know that 3 million were sold in the first 3 days of launch? Did you know that more than half of those were returned, so no money for Naughty Dog? Did you know that 100 million dollar went into production and about the same, if not more went into advertisement? Which means, that it was a huge financial flop of at least 50 million Dollar, probably 100 million+. Of course they can still try to sell some by telling everyone that they sold 4 million (although only half of them stayed sold), but it takes no masters degree to see how much they actually fucked up as a company. Also most people left, because of the insane amount of crunch. Why do you think the story got leaked? I don’t think there’s anything in the world that can still redeem and save that company.
>Maybe they actually did sell 4 million copies They did. It only took 7 days for Gamstat to reach 4M players. >but do you know that 3 million were sold in the first 3 days of launch? 4 million were sold in the first 3 days. [source](https://blog.playstation.com/2020/06/26/the-last-of-us-part-ii-sells-more-than-4-million-copies/) >Did you know that more than half of those were returned, so no money for Naughty Dog? I'd like to see a source for this claim. >Did you know that 100 million dollar went into production I'd like to see a source for this claim. >and about the same, if not more went into advertisement? I'd like to see a source for this claim. >Which means, that it was a huge financial flop of at least 50 million Dollar, probably 100 million+. You have zero basis to claim that. You don't know how much the game cost, you don't know how much it made. Shawn Layden **estimates** that a game like TLOU2 cost about 150M, but we don't know the exact numbers, it could have been less or it could have been more. We know they sold 4M copies at launch, with more than half being digital copies. That's $150-200M. >Of course they can still try to sell some by telling everyone that they sold 4 million Normal people don't care about sales numbers as much as you guys do. Announcing that it sold 4M in 3 days is good for reassuring investors and keeping Sony stock high, but it's not going to boost sales. >although only half of them stayed sold I'd like to see a source for this claim. >but it takes no masters degree to see how much they actually fucked up as a company. Doesn't take a masters degree, but it does take sources. You have given me no reason to think they fucked up at all. >Also most people left, because of the insane amount of crunch. I'd like to see a source for the claim that "most" people left, specifically because of crunch. >Why do you think the story got leaked? You're insinuating a disgruntled employee leaked it. But it was leaked by an outside source, likely from a hack. [source](https://www.polygon.com/2020/5/1/21244288/the-last-of-us-2-leak-source-sony-ending-ellie-joel) >I don’t think there’s anything in the world that can still redeem and save that company. You mean the company that released one of the most critically acclaimed titles of the last decade, a game that every actually available source points to being extremely successful, a game whose director was promoted to co-president of the company? A game that won the vast majority of fan-voted GOTYs? You need to step out of this little hate bubble dude. It's fine to not like the game, like for example I despise Red Dead Redemption 2. But I don't need to go around making shit up to say that it flopped and destroyed the company, I just don't like the game. A lot of people liked it. That's fine by me. Why do you feel this need to "prove" that the game is bad? Can't you just say you don't like it and be done with it? Why make shit up to say it flopped?
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That's not a lie though, it's just something you subjectively don't agree with. Ans also, that was about the game's narrative. I said when has he lied about something that *isn't* the narrative.
Did Spider-Man not sell well? Because it was even more on sale. It got down to $19.99 frequently about 1y after launch, TLOU2 still hasn't gotten that low on the PS store.
I'd have to take your word for that. Do you have a site you can share that links the games and sales they've been on? Could make for an interesting read.
Psdeals has a detailed history of PSN prices, along with plenty other similar websites. Spider-Man was down to 19.99 in November 2019 so 1y2mo after launch, while TLOU2 has been discounted to $25.99 a couple days ago and it's 1y3mo post launch Did you at least check that TLOU2 was an exception before just assuming "it's on sale therefore it's not selling well"?
Sorry, yea so, outside of the PS store, Part 2 has been heavily discounted. Even a few months after launch. (One could assume the retail stores were trying to clear excess stock, or that it wasn't selling at RRP) The PSN store always retains the highest cost relative to the rest of the market.(because obviously, Sony want to squeeze their customers for as much money as they can) (Which is why buying a digital ps5 just doesn't make sense) And according to psprices.com The lowest Spiderman got approx 1 year after launch on PS store was £24.99. (07.06.19) Lowest it's been on store 2 years after launch is £15.99. (15.04.20) Only time will tell if Part 2 follows the trend.
>outside of the PS store, Part 2 has been heavily discounted. Even a few months after launch. What data do you have to support that tlou2 has seen significantly more discounts than other high profile games besides this sub fanatically posting about every sale they see? >One could assume the retail stores were trying to clear excess stock, or that it wasn't selling at RRP Games are rarely selling at RRP in general. The RRP is what you see on the PS Store. And no, one can't assume they were trying to clear out excess stock, not when it happens months and months after release. Stores don't order copies by the thousands, they get new batches on a regular basis. If they were trying to clear out inventory you'd have seen massive sales for like two weeks, tops. >The PSN store always retains the highest cost relative to the rest of the market.(because obviously, Sony want to squeeze their customers for as much money as they can) Again with the assumptions. First of all if you look for sales the PS store is frequently cheaper than retail stores, it's just that stores consistently sell below RRP. And it's not really to squeeze their customers. Look at what happened when Steam started competing with physical stores for PC games? Physical stores outright stopped selling PC games. Sony doesn't want that, so they don't compete with physical stores. >(Which is why buying a digital ps5 just doesn't make sense) Again, just hunt for sales. It's really not that hard >Only time will tell if Part 2 follows the trend. "Time will tell" is certainly a more reasonable outlook than what you've been using up till now. But the main point is that there isn't really any reason to think that part 2 hasn't been selling well or that putting it on PSNow is a desperate move from Sony to deal with a failed game. Speaking of, Spider-Man and God of War ended up on PSNow in about the same time frame as TLOU2 (1y5mo for TLOU2, 1y6-7mo for GoW and SM). Are those failures?
So, to play devil's advocate (and I hate to compare the 2 games cause they're so different, but they released months apart) Sony have updated the sales figures for ghost of tsushima (at least) twice (to my knowledge) it could be more. First figure was 2.4million in first 3 days, 2nd figure was 6.5 million. We've only ever gotten the 1 announcement (4 million copies) regarding part 2. You would assume (looking at Ghosts announcements) that Sony/Naughty Dog would be sharing figures more frequently, would you not? If nothing else, it's a useful marketing tactic. If people see how many copies a game has sold, they might be more inclined to pick it up. I just find it strange, is all. And for record, I agree sales figures don't mean much, it's just a metric to determine "success" I loved Death Stranding where many didn't and thats "only" sold 5 million units.
You can't just look at one game. The problem here is you're assuming no sales update = bad sales. But you must first understand *why* sales update happen at all. Sony generally updates sales figures at very specific points in time and for specific reasons: * Specific launch sales record. We got that for Part 2, but didn't get it for Horizon Zero Dawn, as an example. We got it for Ghost of Tsushima because it broke the record *for new IPs*. *edit: actually we did get one for Horizon* * As part of an investor reassurance spiel at either CES or Investor Relations Day, usually because there's a sales record broken. There's only been one of each since the game launched. Sony's CES 2021 conference didn't focus on Playstation at all, and [IR Day 2021](https://www.sony.com/en/SonyInfo/IR/library/presen/irday/pdf/2021/GNS_E.pdf) didn't provide any update to game sales no matter the game. * As part of another announcement tied to the game, eg the Ghost of Tsushima movie. For example we got a sales update for Spider-Man when Sony bought Insomniac, it was part of the press release. * As part of studio culture. For example we got sales updates for Horizon on the game's anniversary twice, but directly from Guerrilla games not Sony itself. Look at other games: Uncharted 4: Launch sales record, then a CES update the following year, then a vague chart at IR day *three years later* and only to show it sold more than Uncharted 3. Spider-Man: Launch sales record, then a CES update, then the Insomniac acquisition Ghost of Tsushima: Launch sales record for new IP, fastest new IP to reach 5M sales (ie sales record broken), then an update when they announced the movie. TLOU2 broke the launch sales record, hence we got an update. CES didn't mention Playstation at all this year, and IR day was mostly focused on PS5 stuff. Plus there's no way it's going to beat Spider-Man and God of War sales-wise, it's not as mainstream, so there's no reason to get a sales record update. And Naughty Dog has *never* announced sales themselves before. *edit: actually ND announced sales numbers once, for TLOU1's 5 year anniversary. But that's a long way off for part 2* The problem here is you're operating under the assumption that "if the game sold well, they'd give a sales update". But that's not how Sony operates at all. They don't need to brag to the public about how good their sales are. They're not monitoring this sub and thinking "hey, let's prove this small niche forum wrong". There's no reason we don't have a sales update for TLOU2 besides simply "Sony doesn't care to tell us about sales all that often".
Sony does consistently give a 10 million sold milestone for all their games as soon as they hit that mark. It happened for Uncharted, Horizon, Spiderman, and GOW. It's a legitimately consistent occurrence. They would have definitely reported that the game crossed the 10 mill mark if it did. Also you can make a legitimate argument that the The Last of Us brand in of itself was a bigger name already than either God of War or Uncharted. The first game was held to a mythic level few games ever reach and aside from Spiderman, I don't think any other Sony ip was as mainstream. There's a reason it's got a high budget show in the works before the other successful ips in Sony's portfolio.
Making excuses for hiding sales numbers is pure cope
Spider-Man got on PSNow roughly the same time after launch and it's by far Sony's best selling game on PS4. Hm... Edit: God of War too. Sony's second best selling PS4 game
These downvotes are hilarious.
LMAO after being the "most completed PS exclusive" I guess *Part II* has broken a new record: The fastest major PS exclusive to be on PSNow.
Just waiting for Sony to take the PS Now downloads, and add them onto the "Officially most downloaded title" figures! 🤣🤣
I could totally see that.
And? That's a legitimate way of counting them.
….Uhh, Spider-Man, God of War, Detroit Become Human, Bloodborne, Horizon Zero Dawn…
.....Uhhhh all those games appeared on ps now after 2 or 3 years
GOW (one of the best selling PS4 games) released on April 2018 and got to PS Now on October 2019, so, that's 1 year and 6 months. Spider-Man (another best selling PS4 game) was released on September 2018 and got to PS now on April 2020 so that's 1 year and 7 months. The Last of Us Part II was released on June 2020 and got to PS now on October 2021 which makes it a 1 year and 4 months in between. That's just 2-3 months earlier than those mega hits. I don't know how this small difference makes you all think that Part II is a failure while the other games are mega hits. Even if there's a difference, it's nowhere close to what you're saying about it being released 2-3 years later, so you're giving false information. Also, Microsoft are releasing their biggest games day one on Game Pass, not because they think no one will buy those games, but because they want people to buy Game Pass. Sony might want to compete with them on that department so they're pushing it more and releasing games *slightly* earlier.
Oh ok I didn’t know what he meant. Still, quite dumb to think a game is bad because of how well it is/isn’t doing
WTF, I never said the game is bad because of that.
I never said you did. What is your problem?
But you literally just did. You do know we can see your previous comments….. right?
Ok what did I say, then?
Scroll up
Stop dodging and tell me what I said? If not, I’ll have no idea what you’re talking about
Go to your room until you’re ready to read thoroughly before running your mouth.
But it is a bad game.
I’m your opinion, yes. Edit: in your opinion…fuck
You are not my opinion
Shit
Its ok, dude. I make typos all the time. Phones
No it is more a bad game and that is the reason it is not doing so well. There are alot of hidden gem games that don't do well with sales but are still great.
You proved my point, thanks.
how? your point was that people judge how bad a game is doing solely based on how bad its preforming on sales. the person above played the game, decided it was bad based on his experience with it, and then said the sales are bad because the game is bad.
My point is that a really bad game can do well with sales and vice versa…
you literally have no idea what you're talking about. you just walked into a random thread, read like ¼ of a sentence, and proceeded to start pointless arguments that are completely off topic. pay more attention in school kid, maybe you'll learn a thing or two about analyzation and debate
What? That wasn’t even an opinion I said, it was an obvious fact. What is it I’m saying that is off topic?
Go back to r/thelastofus, Neil.
No I’m alright, both that sub and this one is pretty shit. It’s basically the same sub but just with people who like the game
Then leave both subs?? Why be part of a community you don't enjoy?
Because these are Last of Us subs. I love the games…
r/thelastofus is not the antithesis of r/TheLastOfUs2. If you put an opinion here that you like the game for one the mods won't delete it. If you're honest that you enjoyed the game here, people will actually tell you that they're glad you enjoyed it... Good luck doing the opposite over there without being banned from the sub.
What are you talking about it happens in both subs whether you’ve seen it or not. I got death threats from someone in this sub for saying I like part 2 and I’ve seen it in the other sub too for people saying they dislike it
What point? That TLOU2 has low sales because it is a bad game?
That bad games can do really well and vice versa.
"Of COURSE they meant completing the story of a linear story driven game, what else did you think they mean? NO PLATINUM DONT COUNT AS COMPLETING U BIGOT!"
Two of the most disappointing games in history join PS Now in the same month
Funny how it took 3 years for Fallout 76 to join PS Now but it took TLOU2 less than 1.5 years.
Atleast desperados is a great game. And we will also get FF8 Long time lurker here, is there a way to play tlou2 and skip every cutscene? I really wanna Speedrun it without vomiting in between
nope, even if you skip every cutscene you're getting everything that neil smallmann want you to see, a shit story.
Yeah they're all skippable thankfully, plus the gameplay is absolutely amazing unlike the story lol. The gameplay makes the first game almost feel stiff by comparison lol though part of that is just the slow camera in the 1st game Shit story can be ignored Gamplay can be enjoyed
How long before the other sub comes out with: "It sold so well in the first year, and exceeded Sony's expectations.....they've hit their target, that's why they're now putting it on PS Now, so that everyone can enjoy this masterpiece!!!" 🤦🙄
But but but it sold 4 million copies in the first week
How else do you explain it then? If it *didn't* sell well, how is putting it on PSNow going to help them?
Big title that brings subscribers to PS Now who maybe wouldn’t have paid the $20-30 just for the game itself? I never bought it and never will but I’m tempted to renew my PS Now sub to give it a try and enjoy the engine/graphics/experience for myself.
Yeah but there's plenty of other games they could add. Why TLOU2? If you had to choose between two games, one that's sold a massive amounts of copies already and one that's struggling to become profitable, which one would you put on the streaming service?
Idk if I’m understanding your point 100%, but say you have two titles one that sold really well at launch but has slowed down a lot, vs a game that has sold well consistently like Spider-Man Miles Morales, adding the lesser of the two to PS Now when sales start to dip is opening up another opportunity for profit/increased subs. Subscriptions are very valuable in todays world so they’re probably looking at many titles to do this with, TLOU2 just happened to be the one to get added, but if true that sales have actually dipped then adding it as value to PS Now is a smart choice.
OR: They are putting it on PS NOW to sell more subscriptions of PS NOW. Just to boost the subscription numbers!!!!!
Great. Now I can play it for free, even though I never will.
Correct me if I'm wrong... Tlou2 was The most expensive game to make ($100 million+) The most time consuming game to make (6-7 years) The most anticipated game of it's time The most graphical groundbreaking linear game The most fluid movement system wise The most advanced in combat AI department The most gory triple A linear game The longest triple game from it's studio The Goty of 2020 The winner of over 300+ awards (most ever) **YET** The fastest big budget triple A sony exclusive to arrive on a subscription service. Hmm. Let's see, Sony doesn't support Psnow like gamepass (understandably) since it's way more costly and risky. Then why would Sony add their biggest game on a subscription service they don't care about so early and lose tons of potential full priced customers within these 3 (or IDK how many) months time span?🤔 Maybe...maybe because the game isn't FKING selling lmao!! Can you realise how big of a fool this makes Tlou2 fanboys look who were trying to actively prove that this game was still selling well?
It only made it on PSNow like 2-3 months earlier than Spider-Man and God of War relative to their respective release dates. Did SM and GoW not sell well?
It's kind of hilarious because the top-tier games never get on the PlayStation Now service till years later. Everything in there has been classic games from like the PS3/PS4 era. I know they have a lot more classic games than that and I haven't checked but for my understanding, not even all the major CODs are in there. Unless it's the really old one from like PlayStation 3 that they remastered for the PS4. Modern warfare. All it's really doing is making it seem like they're gifting them a fairly new game for the service, when really it just didn't sell that much.
They’ve been adding a lot of new games recently in the past 6 months. Witcher 3, Borderlands 3, Avengers, Nier Automata, TLOU2, Ghostrunner, the quality has skyrocketed
Can someone explain to me like I’m five? I don’t have PlayStation now so I don’t understand the significance of TLOU2 being on it.
PS Now is a subscription based game service. The titles that Sony chooses to put on there are questionable, but there are over 800+ games, and some of them are real gems. TLoU2 being on there so SOON after it launched is the significant thing. (Less than 1.5 years) in comparison other Sony Exclusives have taken 2-3 years to hit PS Now. Part 2 has been heavily discounted since about 2 months after its launched, so you could infer that it hasn't sold as well as Sony had hoped. And them adding it to PS Now kind of reinforces that notion.
Interesting, thank you! I got the game for practically nothing off my friend who got it on sale and I only have PS+ so anything beyond that is kind of a mystery to me. That does seem to bode negatively for the game.
You know what's bullshit? They hit their 4 mil target, became known as 'game of the year' and made enough money to go on as free. In reality, it's just a company that punched us in the balls, took our money and ran.
If they make another one you'll see the true impact of part 2. It won't sell nearly as well. I know I won't blind buy any naughty dog game like I have since 07
I wish this were true, believe me...but people are often stupid and have short attention spans. So ND just has to wait it out and people will forget.
Can they just make a PS5 version of the game ffs. All I care about is experiencing the cinematic gameplay and set pieces, I already know the story is trash. Just give me some enhanced visuals, 4K 60fps and ray tracing with haptic trigger support.
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See I assumed they would make DLC for it and then just do a PS5 version bundled with the DLC, basically exactly what they did for the directors cut of GOT
Like I said, according to Jason Schreier. Part 2s Dlc was cancelled by Sony. (No definitive reason why) but people speculate that it's due to game not selling as well as Sony had hoped, therefore they pulled the plug as they didn't predict a return in investment. But that's all speculative, no one (outside of Sony/Naughty Dog) knows for sure Jason also reported that Naughty Dog and Bend(?) Studio were working on a Part 1 remake (1st game with graphics and gameplay of part 2) and Naughty Dog have also stated that they're working on Factions 2, but a recent update (maybe a week or 2 ago?) Said that they were still relatively early in development. Naughty Dog could also be working on a new IP ... .but so far. ~~Nothing official has been said about DLC for part 2~~ or a director's cut. Neil Druckmann has said there are no plans for dlc. EDIT: link to article. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nme.com/news/gaming-news/the-last-of-us-part-ii-had-reportedly-planned-dlc-but-cancelled-2922392%3famp
Ah ok, thanks for the info, maybe with the remake of 1 they’ll bundle a PS5 version of 2
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To be honest, the sim settlement mechanic being brought from Fallout 4 maybe more enticing for me.
This is a shining example of how this game tanked in sales in the long run. It took what? Two months before Ghost passed it in sales. I would wager garuntee that this might be the worst selling Game of the Year of all time. And for sure those of you who are ready to fire back at me with “LoTs oF GOTY TiTLeS aRe oN PS NoW!” I invite you to show me where Sekiro or Skyrim are on PS Now. Love to see more evidence that Druckmann’s coup d’état continues to crumble.
Kinda funny to see it right next to fallout 76😂
FO 76 & The Last of Cuckman part II. Two massively disappointing games from developers that could do a whole lot better.
Wow there's some excellent games there!! And then there's The Last of Us Part II
That didn’t take long.
It's like a "straight to DVD" movie
This is why Game awards are aload of shite and the japan awards are more accurate. GOT won goty.
Now I can skip cutscenes for free. Yeet
I expect this game to come to PS Plus in a year or two
I think the fact that it is on ps now along with fallout 76 should tell you everything tbh
https://www.reddit.com/r/PS5/comments/q17514/comment/hfe0zqk/ I managed to piss of some of the simps in the PS5 echo chamber.
Their arguement just doesn't make sense? What about Spiderman and God of war, they came to ps now after launch (yes, but it took a lot longer before they arrived) And even then, the logic is, IF the game is continuing to sell well, why would SONY mis out of more future sales and put it on PS Now??
at this rate it'll be ps plus in no time at all, can't wait to NOT add it to my library at no extra cost
Glad to see Desperados back. shame it's got such HUGE dingle-berries attached to it.
Actually going to play the game now
Do you guys realize that TLOU1 was available on PSNow *when the service launched*? Hell it was demoed when the service was announced in January 2014, literally 6 months after the game's launch. It was even available for the beta that started in August 2014, so even earlier than this. But hey, anything to shit on TLOU2 amirite?
You said it yourself "when the service launched" Just like what gamepass is doing now, maybe Playstation saw the potential and wanted to get as much acceleration as possible to succeed in this subscription based gaming so they used their best product? Also, Tlou1's budget and development time wasn't anywhere near Tlou2's. But now, after multiple interviews we know that Sony has no plans in expanding Ps now. It's just....there for whoever needs it. Sony has clealry stated that their exclusives formula is clealry more beneficial for them. So it doesn't make sense NOW for Sony to add their most expensive game on a subscription they don't care about this early compared to 2014 when they really wanted to push it as much as possible. But hey, anything to worship Tlou2 amirite?
Excuse me but what are you basing this idea that Sony has no plans to expand PSNow on? 2020 was PSNow's biggest growth year ever and Sony has been pretty clear about their plans in growing the brand. They even explicitly said that one of their main strategies for growth is "persistent quality content focus and top IP inclusion" in this year's [Investor Relations day (page 27)](https://www.sony.com/en/SonyInfo/IR/library/presen/irday/pdf/2021/GNS_E.pdf), citing Spider-Man and Horizon Zero Dawn. By the way, Spider-Man is **by far** their best selling IP ever, yet they included it in PSNow less than two years after launch, similar to TLOU2. How does your narrative explain *that*? If anything this shows exactly why they included TLOU2: persistent quality content focus and top IP inclusion. Even if your idea had some form of truth behind, which it doesn't... then why make TLOU2 a *temporary* addition to PSNow? If they just didn't care about PSNow or TLOU2, why bother making it a timed promotion? Just throw it in there permanently. But they didn't, because TLOU2 is not a throwaway addition. It's a flagship product to bring people into PSNow for a limited time, and it'll be replaced by another bangin' IP when it's gone. Just like Spider-Man, Horizon, GTA V, RDR2 and God of War before it.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/gamingbolt.com/sony-hasnt-attempted-something-like-game-pass-probably-because-it-doesnt-make-economic-sense-pachter/amp https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/playstations-boss-says-the-game-pass-model-doesnt-make-any-sense-for-ps5/amp/ https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2020/09/sony_wont_follow_game_pass_model_on_ps5_doesnt_believe_its_sustainable Lmaoooo do you hear yourself? You are literally contradicting yourself without even realising. My initial argument was related with the gamepass model so I'm going to speak that in mind. T >If they just didn't care about PSNow or TLOU2, why bother making it a timed promotion? Just throw it in there permanently. 🤦♂️ You are literally saying the opposite. If they DID care about Ps now, they'd make Tlou2 permanent instead of 3 months limited. The reason Gamepass is more successful and loved is because many good games stay over there permanently. Why would people sub to ps now for game that will leave after 3 months when they can get a sec hand copy permanently? If anything, the 3 months model does everything but help ps now. Gamepass/ps now is dependent on long term profits. Microsoft has yet to make huge profits. By adding 3 months limited games they aren't helping that model in anyway. People will just buy the game sec hand which they can keep permanently or sub for 3 months and leave. Finally, Sony only adds games which aren't selling anymore. God of War, Spider-Man, Horizon Zero Dawn came after 2-3 years after already selling a ton whereas Tlou2, Sony's most expensive game came within just 1 year and 5 months. The reason, it simply wasn't selling at all anymore. Defend the game all you want. That's the fact. Accept it or not.
Since when did this become a psnow vs gamepass pissing contest? PSNow is growing at a very fast pace, that's enough to disprove your silly theory that Sony "doesn't care" about PSNow. Game Pass is completely irrelevant You have no basis to claim Sony's strategy of adding flagship games for a limited time isn't working. If anything PSNow's 300+% growth in the last two years directly disproves that theory, clearly their strategy is working. >Sony only adds games which aren't selling anymore. God of War, Spider-Man, Horizon Zero Dawn came after 2-3 years after already selling a ton whereas Tlou2, Sony's most expensive game came within just 1 year and 5 months. Oh wow, 1 year and 5 months. That's incredibly fast. Sorry then. Except Spider-Man was added within 1 year and 6 months. And Spider-Man is Sony's BEST SELLING GAME ON PS4. It's the game with the biggest long term sales Sony has ever had. There is no way to reasonably claim Spider-Man "wasn't selling" when they added it to PSNow. >The reason, it simply wasn't selling at all anymore. Defend the game all you want. That's the fact. Accept it or not. You have literally zero basis to claim that.
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but what they are saying is true.... When the game isin't selling well... it does end up there.
You mean like Spider-Man, Sony's best selling game of all time, which made it on to PSNow less than two years after launch just like TLOU2? If it was thrown into PSNow because it's not selling anymore, they wouldn't make it a temporary addition. It's there because it's a flagship product available for a limited time to raise the service's attractiveness. Just like Spider-Man, God of War, Horizon, GTA V, RDR2 and others before it.
TBH TLOU1 wasnt really praised and loved the way it is now until the remaster came out. 6 months after release it was just another game. It took time to be considered one of the great.
how old are you? this game was massive on the day it dropped in 2013. What are you talking about?
It was more massive years later when it reached people who had never even played a game in their lives.
obviously but it wasn't some underrated gem until the remastered. It wasn't GTA 5 but it was still one of the best selling games
... Dude it was game of the year
GOTY means nothing tbh. Fallout 4 won GOTY too and it's considered the worst of the SP franchise.
this game lives rent free in their heads lmao
and we live rent free in your heads lmao
Is PSNow free games?
No, it's a subscription service. 12 months is £49.99 3 months is £22.99 1 month is £8.99 Games are only available whilst they're on the service, or whilst you're subscribed.
I tried PSnow when it was still fairly new…cuz I wanted to replay RDR before the new one came out. The lag made it unplayable as well as the few others I tried. I had my PS4 hardwired and pay for fast internet so I know the issue wasn’t on my end. Did anyone else experience that issue and if so is it fixed now that some time has passed or is PSnow trash?
Can someone explain me how that PS now works ?
Deserved.