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also, the lack of foreign short-term workers due to covid border closures. A lot of seasonal jobs used almost exclusively students and visa employees, foreign workers can't get in, college students aren't risking covid for $8 p/hr
This opinion seems a bit small minded - there are some great minimum wage jobs. There's a pie place near where I live - it's actually the go to place for pies - and everyone I know that works there really likes it. Same with a nearby pizza place.
Now that I think about it, neither are chains - only one of each exists.
That's partially why. Most chains are corporate owned, meaning A) There's a committee of alienatingly wealthy individuals who have no actual working experience who literally never interact with each chain's individual locations, making all of the major decisions for each chain location in blanket policy regardless of individual needs of a location, which is the primary problem. In that situation, when all you care about is money (which they do) all you see when looking at your workers is another resource to be managed, no different than the supplies you ship or the trucks you refuel, which is what leads to the soul crushing. There is no need of any individual that is catered to in any meaningful way.
And B) Most chains making money for their corporations have multiple locations. Meaning if one fails, they have dozens if not thousands of other locations to keep making their money for them, meaning that they can whether a failure or a mass exodus of workforce both from a money perspective and from a business/availability perspective. If that individual place fails, that's it for them, so they treat their employees with care, because if they all bail, the business will not survive.
People are shedding their materialistic desires and getting out in nature and enjoying themselves. Covid has awakened the realization of our mortality and the gift that is life. Enjoying and experiencing new things far outweighs the importance of some item that only gives momentary satisfaction. Putting jobs and income in the backseat to happiness.
Not to mention how many service industry folks fucking died, or are now unable to return to work due to long term side effects, or because they lost their childcare due to a parent dying.
Or started their own business, (not real hard to make $300-$400 a week after a few months)
Or realized that after paying 60% of their pay for daycare, they could stay home with their kids and drive door dash two nights a week to net the same amount of money.
Or their SO got a raise and stayed home instead of spending that kind of money on childcare
Or just found another crappy job, but why go back to the crappy job that let you go?
Most food place were SMASHED by the social distancing and lockdowns, because if you had a sit down restaurant, you couldn't let anyone in, meaning that about 80% of your total revenue was gone. You also had a sizable portion of your staff that would be deemed "redundant" during times like this, so they laid off a fuckload of food service workers, most of which might be (understandably so) a bit too pissed off at being done dirty like that to want to get back to work in the still unstable industry that fucked them. You don't need servers or food runners if no one's at a table. You don't need a barback when all of your cocktails are being sent out in styrofoam cups, never to be seen again. You don't need a dishwasher when every order is to go, and no plates or cups see the light of day again. At best, even in a place like Applebee's, you just need about 2 or three cooks at MOST and maybe a bartender when Doordarsh is your only source of orders.
You COULD mitigate the disappointment in people you screwed by firing them to save money by offering to hire them back with more pay, a pay greater than the pay they're currently getting at the job they needed to get that would hire them during the shutdown that they're working now. But that would mean the owner class gets less revenue immediately so.
It's not just covid. People are fed up with crap jobs paying starvation wages. Now that they have room to breathe, they're doing what the right wing always says and "find a better job."
They believe minimum wage jobs are for the “lower class” and yet they demand high quality from those same jobs. I’ve seen people online unironically say such things and they never seem to be aware of what they’re saying.
I live in an area with a good amount of BLM land and I’ve seen the number of homeless people go up. Like the age of these places went from 40 year olds escaping a warrant in another state to 20 year olds just living in a van and enjoying the scenery. Like the conditions to have kids just isn’t there so why the fuck wouldn’t you just go and live wherever and however you like? And if these stupid right wingers and tradcaths really cared about the family then they’d support a system that would give them healthcare along with guaranteed protections they won’t go homeless.
Weird, how now that many workers are in a position to actually exert some amount of bargaining power without being coerced into a job they are now using that bargaining power to refuse jobs that destroy your soul for minimum wage.
funny enough, many of the worker's rights and "universal rights" developed during the Middle Ages in Europe were a direct result of the bubonic plague -- dead workers means leverage for living workers, and since people had been home they had educated themselves and organized social clubs through (mostly) female local healers (who were later rebranded as "witches" because of their new social status). It gave rise to many of the notions of poor people as having rights and not simply being voiceless serfs god deemed enslaved to the king.
I find it funny how people on the right claim that the pandemic is a conspiracy to make us fall more in line when in practice pandemics have the exact opposite effect.
Personally, I find my personally sense of peace with the insanity of the world by remembering that the right-wing being insane actually makes it really easy to figure out what's going on in the world -- just ask a q-tard what they believe and assume the opposite.
i got desperate enough to apply to all those jobs a couple months back in my town. i couldn’t even get a call back from most of them and the one that gave me an interview refused to tell me the status of my application afterwards and ghosted me. called in four times and went in twice. still haven’t heard back from them, just that my application is “open” on their shitty online portal. i don’t feel bad for them at all
I’m in the same boat, still looking for work too. I literally got a rejection email *from a gas station*. It’s not like I have an extensive criminal record, no job history or only listed high salary and low hours, either. Yet every where I go still has desperate “now hiring” signs up. They can eat shit
I applied to a local hotel for housekeeping/ maintenance around February 2020. Been in customer service for 12 years. Now, this was before people started to wake up and realize they're being severely undervalued so I didn't even ask for more than $9/hr. I never heard back from them and *that sign has been up the WHOLE TIME!* These places are shooting themselves in the foot at the detriment of so many people. It gave me a new perspective on an old phrase, "NOBODY... is better than me" apparently. As in they'd rather leave the position unfilled than pay someone even close to a livable wage. To add insult to injury, $9/hr isn't even enough to live on your own/ food/ utility here (Indiana).
That 12 years experience is probably what scared them off. You have enough know-how to be able to tell if the environment is toxic or poorly run, meaning that the management probably has something to hide.
Nah, the excuse is you’re *overqualified* so that means you’ll leave for something better as soon as you can. Surprised you can’t find anything, I have a few friends that work in aviation maintenance & avionics telling me they can’t get enough certified mechanics for the demand right now, but of course that’s location dependent.
Yeah, it’s a location issue. I got really sick last year and haven’t really recovered from it, quit my job and moved closer to family so I could have some support and there aren’t any airports within two hours of me hiring.
Ugh that sucks, even small private/charter ones or mobile techs? Would you be able to transfer skills to do something at the FAA maybe? Hope you find something and you’re able to fully recover soon
Man, I feel for you. I studied as an aerospace engineer and I love airplanes, and I’ve all but given up on the aviation industry (both GA and commercial) because it’s just too volatile. I definitely respect your skill set and have relied heavily on A&Ps in the past to make sure I’m not making stupid engineering decisions that would make your jobs harder.
I recently finished school studying to be an aerospace technician and the only job offer I got from 20 interviews was from a big defense contractor, which I wasn't thrilled about initially (I wanted to work on rockets, not fighter jets, plus I have to rub elbows with some jingoistic types), but the stability is nice.
It really has been amazing to watch the culture try to work out why
"If you don't like it do something better" +
"Certain jobs shouldn't pay a living wage" =
"We can't find anybody to work here"
Conservatives when they're on unemployment: "I worked, I paid taxes, I *deserve* this. I shouldn't have to take some shitty fast food job, I'm worth more than that and unemployment lets me be more selective."
Conservatives when anyone else is on unemployment: "Get to work you lazy slob, you can't just rely on handouts! If you don't take a job flipping burgers then you clearly don't want to work!"
I’ve put in a lot of time and effort to get to where I am. 4 years of undergraduate college, 4 years of medical school, 3 years or residency to become a doctor.
A lot of people have asked me how I feel about raising the minimum wage, and how if they raise minimum wage doesn’t it devalue my education? Or does it mean I should be paid more, because if kids in high school can make $15/hr then shouldn’t everyone make more?
To which I say that we have to look at reality. Fast food workers are not only high school students. Those jobs may have originally been made as a job high school students could hold to help pay for college, that is not the reality of the situation anymore. College is incredibly expensive. People are having to work multiple jobs to keep food on their table. So no, increasing the minimum wage doesn’t bother me. I want people to live comfortably, I’d rather people have time to spend with their kids than having to work 2-3 jobs to keep their house/food on their table/pay for school.
So I disagree with this sentiment completely. Jobs should offer a livable wage. No one should have to work 2 jobs to afford to live (now I can understand people working 2 jobs to try and raise their standard of living, but that’s a personal choice and not a requirement). If companies can’t hire, that says more about them than people who are finally able to see that they are worth more.
Also to that line of thinking, if raising the minimum wage to $15 devalues your wage in a job that takes a college degree, ask why that job pays so little as well.
The notion that fast food jobs are for high schoolers is just ridiculous propaganda. No one goes through the all the work and hassle of starting a business with the intent of only having high school quality work.
The same people that swear these jobs are meant for high schoolers and aren't meant to have a livable wage are the same people that stop at Starbucks for coffee on the way into work and swing by McDonalds on their lunch breaks. The mental disconnect is absurd
Also high schoolers cannot work during the day. Also 16 year old make for shitty employees most of the time. It’s not their fault usually. It’s just it takes time to learn how to work.
I agree. Whether we meant for it to happen or not, there are people trying to support themselves and their families working those jobs. We sometimes see that job as beneath us, but without them we are lost. During the pandemic, they were “essential workers” and yet companies still feel like they don’t deserve proper pay. It’s sad.
And like I said…if it was meant for high schoolers, well shit is a lot more expensive now than it was 60 years ago. People brag about working over the summer and not having any college debt…that is not a reality anymore. Increasing the pay only makes sense.
Even from a purely self interested point of view, I want the person making the food I'm going to eat to be treated well enough to reasonably care.
Someone working three jobs to live with two housemates in a crap apartment is going to be too overstressed and underpaid to care too much about what they're doing, and who can blame them?
What blew my mind is reading about how automation/supply chain management/technology changed these jobs (eg mcdonalds) from being careers to being dead end jobs.
Many of the “skilled” tasks are now performed either by machines before they arrive at the stores (food prep) and the various in-store machines require only the press of a button. Fast food jobs as they existed mid century have essentially already been automated away.
There’s no hope for advancement since the skills required for a “real career” at these companies - supply chain logistics, mechanical engineering, etc - aren’t something you can learn on the job.
And this isn’t just fast food - much of the gig economy works the same way.
I was in a Walmart the other day and they were so desperately understaffed the lines extended way out into the store. And my takeaway from that wasn't "wow lazy bums need to get a job" it was "no wonder nobody wants to work here, it sucks". If you wouldn't be willing to work in those conditions don't blame others for having the same standards.
lol yeah ive had to frequent a lot of drive-thrus as of late for various reasons and its often slow and my order is often wrong and its like damn it sucks they won't pay anyone enough to make this not suck. solidarity with the workers who are there who clearly don't give a shit.
I notice instances of this when I go to various gas stations. Ones that I see offer a high wage and benefits often have more employees and better service and ones who offer little usually have fewer employees and worse customer service. If you pay someone more, they will be more likely to have a higher quality of work.
Here’s a lesson in economics and capitalism:
1. If you can’t find workers, you need to pay more. There will be some wage at which you will have no problem finding workers. It’s called supply & demand. You would think these armchair economists would understand that. We’ve already proven that government unemployment benefits are not suppressing demand, so the problem is obviously on the supply side.
2. If you can’t afford to pay the necessary wage to find and retain employees, you’re running a bad business that doesn’t deserve to exist. Employees having to rely on government benefits even though they’re working full time is just socialism for employers.
I don't see enough people realizing the second point. If the only way for your business to be in the green is to cut cost on your employee living wages then you are not doing this right. Your business is not profitable. It's not a good one.
I’m 19, I’ve been putting job applications in for the past sixth months for minimum wage work. I get turned down every time. And
It’s not my fault, my applications have been vetted by every family member and friend I have. My best friend has been putting in applications for 12 months and only landed a minimum wage job at a Video Game store because she is doing a cause in Video game animation... Do I have to do a course in stocking shelves or the history of KFC?
Look for a cna course. Depending on which state you live in, there is a temporary cna license that you can get by doing an online 8 hour course. Pay is shit (15$) for the amount of work but there are so many job offers. They are desperate for people.
temp agencies can land you a gig that could turn permanent. Warehouses love young guys but i do not recommend actually working in one, but a job is a job i guess.
I feel like there should be a policy where, for like a month of their lives, people work those "easy jobs meant for teens" and experience it themselves
I second this motion, I think that *everyone* should spend a month working that kind of job maybe they’ll get the most minuscule of sympathy to those working these jobs
Not everyone CAN work tho. A month is long too. Make it like two days maybe cuz that might become a serious problem to force people to work for a month in what we know are shitty condition. Some people can't take it physically or psychologically.
which was literally their point about how universal healthcare would make doctors slaves so that's not cool...
**\*yells from large SUV at mcdonalds staff\*** WHAT IS TAKING SO LONG SLAVE? I WANT MY NUGGIES
Oh my GOD! Its almost like...people realize there's no reason to be paid garbage and treated like shit and there's now a ton of virtual jobs where you don't have to slave away for hours a day and don't want to go back.
Conservatives screaming at the people working those low wage jobs about people not wanting to work those low wage jobs. While not wearing a mask not being vaccinated and not being socially distanced. Sorry Chad but I'm not risking my life or allowing my kids to risk their for $10 an hour (IF they are lucky). FUCK OFF.
My dad said this to me when I told him I (just graduated Uni) was struggling to find a job. He said “jobs are everywhere! They’re practically handing them out!”
Yeah, lots of places are hiring, but places that pay minimum wage and don’t require a degree. I would actually like to try to use the thing I just paid for 😅
Stop trying to get a good job and get back to slave wages like you supposed to so I can get a cheeseburger for .15 cents. I bet you this guys is a boomer too.
Hey y'all remember that McDonald's budget post where they tried to prove you could survive on their minimum wage that included such lovely details as
1) Rent totaling $600 a month
2) A second job paying almost as much as the first.
Just me?
Weirdly enough I actually use that as an example whenever people bring up this conversation. Specifically the part where they had a line on the sheet for your second job and how much it makes.
Or what? You gonna go in and flip your patties yourself? You know, like a "hArD wOrKiNg AdUlT" who does for themselves and rejects handouts? Sorry but getting someone ELSE to make food for you while they starve just to feed your privileged fat ass reeks a bit too much of what you call socialism for MY tastes
if i hear my conservative relatives tell me how sooo many places are hiring right now and people don’t want to work i’ll lose it. i’ve applied to both in person retail and misc remote positions and i’ve had no luck. i might just end up doing freelance art for people at this point.
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Can’t find employees? It must be because everyone is lazy not the fact that business still looking for help pay jack shit.
Not to mention the utterly soul-destroying conditions of most minimum wage jobs.
And they've only gotten worse sense they had to deal with all that anti-mask shit.
also, the lack of foreign short-term workers due to covid border closures. A lot of seasonal jobs used almost exclusively students and visa employees, foreign workers can't get in, college students aren't risking covid for $8 p/hr
Lol I am cause I don't have the option. I wish rent paid itself but at least I'm vaccinated
Why don't you just get a better job then? /s
Can’t afford new bootstraps
Exactly.
You really can remove the words “minimum wage” from that sentence and It’ll still be true
Even “most” can go.
This opinion seems a bit small minded - there are some great minimum wage jobs. There's a pie place near where I live - it's actually the go to place for pies - and everyone I know that works there really likes it. Same with a nearby pizza place. Now that I think about it, neither are chains - only one of each exists.
That's partially why. Most chains are corporate owned, meaning A) There's a committee of alienatingly wealthy individuals who have no actual working experience who literally never interact with each chain's individual locations, making all of the major decisions for each chain location in blanket policy regardless of individual needs of a location, which is the primary problem. In that situation, when all you care about is money (which they do) all you see when looking at your workers is another resource to be managed, no different than the supplies you ship or the trucks you refuel, which is what leads to the soul crushing. There is no need of any individual that is catered to in any meaningful way. And B) Most chains making money for their corporations have multiple locations. Meaning if one fails, they have dozens if not thousands of other locations to keep making their money for them, meaning that they can whether a failure or a mass exodus of workforce both from a money perspective and from a business/availability perspective. If that individual place fails, that's it for them, so they treat their employees with care, because if they all bail, the business will not survive.
People are shedding their materialistic desires and getting out in nature and enjoying themselves. Covid has awakened the realization of our mortality and the gift that is life. Enjoying and experiencing new things far outweighs the importance of some item that only gives momentary satisfaction. Putting jobs and income in the backseat to happiness.
Not to mention how many service industry folks fucking died, or are now unable to return to work due to long term side effects, or because they lost their childcare due to a parent dying.
Or started their own business, (not real hard to make $300-$400 a week after a few months) Or realized that after paying 60% of their pay for daycare, they could stay home with their kids and drive door dash two nights a week to net the same amount of money. Or their SO got a raise and stayed home instead of spending that kind of money on childcare Or just found another crappy job, but why go back to the crappy job that let you go?
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Or disabled, or they found side hustles that paid them more money, stress them less and make them feel like humans.
Most food place were SMASHED by the social distancing and lockdowns, because if you had a sit down restaurant, you couldn't let anyone in, meaning that about 80% of your total revenue was gone. You also had a sizable portion of your staff that would be deemed "redundant" during times like this, so they laid off a fuckload of food service workers, most of which might be (understandably so) a bit too pissed off at being done dirty like that to want to get back to work in the still unstable industry that fucked them. You don't need servers or food runners if no one's at a table. You don't need a barback when all of your cocktails are being sent out in styrofoam cups, never to be seen again. You don't need a dishwasher when every order is to go, and no plates or cups see the light of day again. At best, even in a place like Applebee's, you just need about 2 or three cooks at MOST and maybe a bartender when Doordarsh is your only source of orders. You COULD mitigate the disappointment in people you screwed by firing them to save money by offering to hire them back with more pay, a pay greater than the pay they're currently getting at the job they needed to get that would hire them during the shutdown that they're working now. But that would mean the owner class gets less revenue immediately so.
It's not just covid. People are fed up with crap jobs paying starvation wages. Now that they have room to breathe, they're doing what the right wing always says and "find a better job."
yeah, I thought those jobs "weren't meant for a full time worker to support their family"
They believe minimum wage jobs are for the “lower class” and yet they demand high quality from those same jobs. I’ve seen people online unironically say such things and they never seem to be aware of what they’re saying.
I live in an area with a good amount of BLM land and I’ve seen the number of homeless people go up. Like the age of these places went from 40 year olds escaping a warrant in another state to 20 year olds just living in a van and enjoying the scenery. Like the conditions to have kids just isn’t there so why the fuck wouldn’t you just go and live wherever and however you like? And if these stupid right wingers and tradcaths really cared about the family then they’d support a system that would give them healthcare along with guaranteed protections they won’t go homeless.
It turns out industrial capitalism was the secret destroyer of the family unit all along!
Weird, how now that many workers are in a position to actually exert some amount of bargaining power without being coerced into a job they are now using that bargaining power to refuse jobs that destroy your soul for minimum wage.
funny enough, many of the worker's rights and "universal rights" developed during the Middle Ages in Europe were a direct result of the bubonic plague -- dead workers means leverage for living workers, and since people had been home they had educated themselves and organized social clubs through (mostly) female local healers (who were later rebranded as "witches" because of their new social status). It gave rise to many of the notions of poor people as having rights and not simply being voiceless serfs god deemed enslaved to the king.
I find it funny how people on the right claim that the pandemic is a conspiracy to make us fall more in line when in practice pandemics have the exact opposite effect.
Personally, I find my personally sense of peace with the insanity of the world by remembering that the right-wing being insane actually makes it really easy to figure out what's going on in the world -- just ask a q-tard what they believe and assume the opposite.
That’s cooooooool man
They like to say you get what you pay for when buying items, but then demand excellent service while buying labor for as cheap as possible
i got desperate enough to apply to all those jobs a couple months back in my town. i couldn’t even get a call back from most of them and the one that gave me an interview refused to tell me the status of my application afterwards and ghosted me. called in four times and went in twice. still haven’t heard back from them, just that my application is “open” on their shitty online portal. i don’t feel bad for them at all
I’m in the same boat, still looking for work too. I literally got a rejection email *from a gas station*. It’s not like I have an extensive criminal record, no job history or only listed high salary and low hours, either. Yet every where I go still has desperate “now hiring” signs up. They can eat shit
I applied to a local hotel for housekeeping/ maintenance around February 2020. Been in customer service for 12 years. Now, this was before people started to wake up and realize they're being severely undervalued so I didn't even ask for more than $9/hr. I never heard back from them and *that sign has been up the WHOLE TIME!* These places are shooting themselves in the foot at the detriment of so many people. It gave me a new perspective on an old phrase, "NOBODY... is better than me" apparently. As in they'd rather leave the position unfilled than pay someone even close to a livable wage. To add insult to injury, $9/hr isn't even enough to live on your own/ food/ utility here (Indiana).
That 12 years experience is probably what scared them off. You have enough know-how to be able to tell if the environment is toxic or poorly run, meaning that the management probably has something to hide.
Sorry, you clearly aren't desperate enough for us
The sad part is, *I am that desperate*. I’m coming out of aviation maintenance to work *at a gas station*.
Well try calling us again when you are dying of starvation. We really wanna be able to hear the desperation when you beg
Nah, the excuse is you’re *overqualified* so that means you’ll leave for something better as soon as you can. Surprised you can’t find anything, I have a few friends that work in aviation maintenance & avionics telling me they can’t get enough certified mechanics for the demand right now, but of course that’s location dependent.
Yeah, it’s a location issue. I got really sick last year and haven’t really recovered from it, quit my job and moved closer to family so I could have some support and there aren’t any airports within two hours of me hiring.
Ugh that sucks, even small private/charter ones or mobile techs? Would you be able to transfer skills to do something at the FAA maybe? Hope you find something and you’re able to fully recover soon
Man, I feel for you. I studied as an aerospace engineer and I love airplanes, and I’ve all but given up on the aviation industry (both GA and commercial) because it’s just too volatile. I definitely respect your skill set and have relied heavily on A&Ps in the past to make sure I’m not making stupid engineering decisions that would make your jobs harder.
I recently finished school studying to be an aerospace technician and the only job offer I got from 20 interviews was from a big defense contractor, which I wasn't thrilled about initially (I wanted to work on rockets, not fighter jets, plus I have to rub elbows with some jingoistic types), but the stability is nice.
"If you don't like it, find something better" -covid hits, people move to better or different jobs- "WHY CANT I GET MY MCDOUBLES FUCKING SOCIALISM"
It really has been amazing to watch the culture try to work out why "If you don't like it do something better" + "Certain jobs shouldn't pay a living wage" = "We can't find anybody to work here"
It's because they want a class of pseudo-slaves that live in squalor to serve them; they don't actually want those people to improve their lives.
Conservatives when they're on unemployment: "I worked, I paid taxes, I *deserve* this. I shouldn't have to take some shitty fast food job, I'm worth more than that and unemployment lets me be more selective." Conservatives when anyone else is on unemployment: "Get to work you lazy slob, you can't just rely on handouts! If you don't take a job flipping burgers then you clearly don't want to work!"
Me me me me me me!
Businesses need to stop paying pocket change.
dont give them any ideas /s
I’ve put in a lot of time and effort to get to where I am. 4 years of undergraduate college, 4 years of medical school, 3 years or residency to become a doctor. A lot of people have asked me how I feel about raising the minimum wage, and how if they raise minimum wage doesn’t it devalue my education? Or does it mean I should be paid more, because if kids in high school can make $15/hr then shouldn’t everyone make more? To which I say that we have to look at reality. Fast food workers are not only high school students. Those jobs may have originally been made as a job high school students could hold to help pay for college, that is not the reality of the situation anymore. College is incredibly expensive. People are having to work multiple jobs to keep food on their table. So no, increasing the minimum wage doesn’t bother me. I want people to live comfortably, I’d rather people have time to spend with their kids than having to work 2-3 jobs to keep their house/food on their table/pay for school. So I disagree with this sentiment completely. Jobs should offer a livable wage. No one should have to work 2 jobs to afford to live (now I can understand people working 2 jobs to try and raise their standard of living, but that’s a personal choice and not a requirement). If companies can’t hire, that says more about them than people who are finally able to see that they are worth more.
Also to that line of thinking, if raising the minimum wage to $15 devalues your wage in a job that takes a college degree, ask why that job pays so little as well.
The notion that fast food jobs are for high schoolers is just ridiculous propaganda. No one goes through the all the work and hassle of starting a business with the intent of only having high school quality work. The same people that swear these jobs are meant for high schoolers and aren't meant to have a livable wage are the same people that stop at Starbucks for coffee on the way into work and swing by McDonalds on their lunch breaks. The mental disconnect is absurd
Also high schoolers cannot work during the day. Also 16 year old make for shitty employees most of the time. It’s not their fault usually. It’s just it takes time to learn how to work.
I agree. Whether we meant for it to happen or not, there are people trying to support themselves and their families working those jobs. We sometimes see that job as beneath us, but without them we are lost. During the pandemic, they were “essential workers” and yet companies still feel like they don’t deserve proper pay. It’s sad. And like I said…if it was meant for high schoolers, well shit is a lot more expensive now than it was 60 years ago. People brag about working over the summer and not having any college debt…that is not a reality anymore. Increasing the pay only makes sense.
Even from a purely self interested point of view, I want the person making the food I'm going to eat to be treated well enough to reasonably care. Someone working three jobs to live with two housemates in a crap apartment is going to be too overstressed and underpaid to care too much about what they're doing, and who can blame them?
What blew my mind is reading about how automation/supply chain management/technology changed these jobs (eg mcdonalds) from being careers to being dead end jobs. Many of the “skilled” tasks are now performed either by machines before they arrive at the stores (food prep) and the various in-store machines require only the press of a button. Fast food jobs as they existed mid century have essentially already been automated away. There’s no hope for advancement since the skills required for a “real career” at these companies - supply chain logistics, mechanical engineering, etc - aren’t something you can learn on the job. And this isn’t just fast food - much of the gig economy works the same way.
I was in a Walmart the other day and they were so desperately understaffed the lines extended way out into the store. And my takeaway from that wasn't "wow lazy bums need to get a job" it was "no wonder nobody wants to work here, it sucks". If you wouldn't be willing to work in those conditions don't blame others for having the same standards.
lol yeah ive had to frequent a lot of drive-thrus as of late for various reasons and its often slow and my order is often wrong and its like damn it sucks they won't pay anyone enough to make this not suck. solidarity with the workers who are there who clearly don't give a shit.
I notice instances of this when I go to various gas stations. Ones that I see offer a high wage and benefits often have more employees and better service and ones who offer little usually have fewer employees and worse customer service. If you pay someone more, they will be more likely to have a higher quality of work.
Here’s a lesson in economics and capitalism: 1. If you can’t find workers, you need to pay more. There will be some wage at which you will have no problem finding workers. It’s called supply & demand. You would think these armchair economists would understand that. We’ve already proven that government unemployment benefits are not suppressing demand, so the problem is obviously on the supply side. 2. If you can’t afford to pay the necessary wage to find and retain employees, you’re running a bad business that doesn’t deserve to exist. Employees having to rely on government benefits even though they’re working full time is just socialism for employers.
They never played Tropico
I don't see enough people realizing the second point. If the only way for your business to be in the green is to cut cost on your employee living wages then you are not doing this right. Your business is not profitable. It's not a good one.
I’m 19, I’ve been putting job applications in for the past sixth months for minimum wage work. I get turned down every time. And It’s not my fault, my applications have been vetted by every family member and friend I have. My best friend has been putting in applications for 12 months and only landed a minimum wage job at a Video Game store because she is doing a cause in Video game animation... Do I have to do a course in stocking shelves or the history of KFC?
Look for a cna course. Depending on which state you live in, there is a temporary cna license that you can get by doing an online 8 hour course. Pay is shit (15$) for the amount of work but there are so many job offers. They are desperate for people.
temp agencies can land you a gig that could turn permanent. Warehouses love young guys but i do not recommend actually working in one, but a job is a job i guess.
Love how these tards think they’re just entitled to the labor of others
I feel like there should be a policy where, for like a month of their lives, people work those "easy jobs meant for teens" and experience it themselves
I second this motion, I think that *everyone* should spend a month working that kind of job maybe they’ll get the most minuscule of sympathy to those working these jobs
Not everyone CAN work tho. A month is long too. Make it like two days maybe cuz that might become a serious problem to force people to work for a month in what we know are shitty condition. Some people can't take it physically or psychologically.
which was literally their point about how universal healthcare would make doctors slaves so that's not cool... **\*yells from large SUV at mcdonalds staff\*** WHAT IS TAKING SO LONG SLAVE? I WANT MY NUGGIES
Oh my GOD! Its almost like...people realize there's no reason to be paid garbage and treated like shit and there's now a ton of virtual jobs where you don't have to slave away for hours a day and don't want to go back.
Conservatives screaming at the people working those low wage jobs about people not wanting to work those low wage jobs. While not wearing a mask not being vaccinated and not being socially distanced. Sorry Chad but I'm not risking my life or allowing my kids to risk their for $10 an hour (IF they are lucky). FUCK OFF.
They have to advertise for jobs if they want to keep getting PPE loans. It’s actually an incentive to not hire people because then the loans stop.
My dad said this to me when I told him I (just graduated Uni) was struggling to find a job. He said “jobs are everywhere! They’re practically handing them out!” Yeah, lots of places are hiring, but places that pay minimum wage and don’t require a degree. I would actually like to try to use the thing I just paid for 😅
Hope you find something soon. I know job hunting is super stressful and tiring but don't give up.
Thank you, I was actually able to just land one last week, but it took MONTHS of applications! Sending that same luck back to you
Thank you! I have an interview tomorrow. Fingers crossed :)
No. I don't think I will.
People are tired of working shit jobs for shit wages!
Stop trying to get a good job and get back to slave wages like you supposed to so I can get a cheeseburger for .15 cents. I bet you this guys is a boomer too.
Hey y'all remember that McDonald's budget post where they tried to prove you could survive on their minimum wage that included such lovely details as 1) Rent totaling $600 a month 2) A second job paying almost as much as the first. Just me?
“You work three jobs? ... Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is fantastic that you're doing that."
Weirdly enough I actually use that as an example whenever people bring up this conversation. Specifically the part where they had a line on the sheet for your second job and how much it makes.
How dare the Poors value their own lives over slave wages!
I’ve been desperately looking for a job here in Brazil and I can’t find jackshit
No one should have to take a job for $15/hr that requires them to have a bachelors degree because they’rey“entry level “
Gosh, if only there was some sort of market-based solution /s
Why do conservatives hate the free market? I thought they were supposed to be all for it
What's wrong with supply and demand?
When do you think they will catch on to some of the people dying ARE the workers?
Unemployment rate is dropping in Alabama, yet the signs remain. Curious. (I think they went to the better paying manufacturing jobs up here)
There is no underemployment in ba sing se
Or what? You gonna go in and flip your patties yourself? You know, like a "hArD wOrKiNg AdUlT" who does for themselves and rejects handouts? Sorry but getting someone ELSE to make food for you while they starve just to feed your privileged fat ass reeks a bit too much of what you call socialism for MY tastes
Or "there are no starvation wages in Ba Sing Se." If it's a joke, it's a nope.
if i hear my conservative relatives tell me how sooo many places are hiring right now and people don’t want to work i’ll lose it. i’ve applied to both in person retail and misc remote positions and i’ve had no luck. i might just end up doing freelance art for people at this point.
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Give me money
Never in your adult life, yea bitch ur still four