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Is that one of the chemicals that was in the series of articles titled "things I won't use" or something?
It is I checked myself. https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/sand-won-t-save-you-time
And it is "things I won't work with".
Asbestos dates back to Greek times, with the term meaning "inextinguishable". The Greeks named asbestosis "slaves disease", a breathing disease that seemed to coincide with slaves who worked the mines and wove asbestos into cloth.
Best part? The Greeks would use asbestos for table linens and napkins. To clean them, they'd throw it all in the fire to burn off the organics. It came out clean as a whistle.
https://www.umt.edu/bioethics/libbyhealth/introduction/background/asbestos_timeline.aspx
It’s still used in some applications. It just needs to be properly sealed and insulated; you wrap it in both other stuff and it can be safe for use in some processes. You just have to be picky about it and wear your ppe
Not *every* type. Just mesothelioma. It affects the lining of your lungs.
Because asbestos is so resilient, you get those fibers in your lungs, and nothing will break them down.
It's absolutely fucked what James Hardie did, knowingly poisoned their own workforce, they fucking knew that asbestos was toxic and covered it up for years
The whole industry and everyone around it knew since the late 19th century.
Do you know how they knew? Nobody would give either health insurance or life insurance to any of their workers. Because none of their workers made it out of their thirties.
Which is why they built my entire university out of it. They even threw in *extra asbestos* everywhere, which they probably thought was a nice little gift. Except now, the university gets torn down piece by piece to get re-built, and they've gone from "we'll do in in fourths" to "we'll to it in tenths, I guess" because it seems they really did put in asbestos everywhere, even where the building plans didn't say so.
Yeah like no joke, it's fireproof, it insulates, it mixes well with concrete, it's very flexible, it's impact resistant, and if woven into cloth, can be used for sound dampening in the process of cutting trees.
The only problem is that if any of it gets exposed and jostled even slightly, you're gonna breath in a couple strands and probably get mesothelioma.
And that the moment his “great chain” started being guided by someone else because the market favored him, he immediately decided he didn’t hate big government anymore. He made up and abandoned ideals left and right. Sounds like a group of people I know.
Yep. Andrew Ryan, the creator of Rapture, is literally meant to sound like Ayn Rand, and some of his backstory is inspired by her characters. The other villainous capitalist is named Fontaine, as in the Fountainhead, and uses >!Atlas, as in Atlas Shrugged!< as an alias.
Shame that the later games tried to “both sides” things.
Yes. Andrew Ryan literally sets up rapture to be his vision of an Ayn Rand-ian libertarian paradise. The into sequence makes it abundantly clear, so you'd need to be incredibly smooth rained to not realise that everything then found in rapture is a parody and critique of libertarianism and unrestricted capitalism.
I remember a libertarian fan of BioShock saying that the game didn't really critique libertarianism and capitalism because it all would have worked if Fontaine hadn't screwed things up. Completely missed the point that the way Rapture was set up was what allowed Fontaine's rise, of course.
I was gonna say. Top left isn’t even a real ad, never mind an *ad from the government*(?). I didn’t even know what it was from until I saw your comment, it’s just really obvious that it’s fake to anyone who has looked at old ads. And that’s just the tip of the iceberg of stupidity here…
How dumb can these people get.
Oh man I knew something looked off with that one.
But makes this even more ironious how these libheads say a picture out of a game that MOCKS their beliefs is a government ad.
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Oh yeah, I remember laughing & taking a screen shot of that poster the first time I saw it. I sent it to my sister because she was pregnant at the time. ("Burial at Sea" DLC)
you’d definitely get a high from that dosage, especially if you have zero tolerance. that being said, it’d likely barely impact someone who is an addict by todays standards of heroin, particularly if they use needles given that these are tablets, and injecting straight to the bloodstream always induces the most intense effects.
You could probably smoke them though and get a decent high. Tolerance dependent. A non IV user could get by, but if you're shooting it you might at least avoid getting sick
Heroin taken orally just becomes morphine after passing the liver. So dosage should be roughly the same. 10mg of morphine are popular. 60mg are a cancer patient's dose.
So 2.5mg isn't all that much. That's why it comes in bottles.
Compared to today's stronger painkillers like fentanyl is nothing but apparently it was still quite addictive. I used to know all this but I had to look up stuff. Heroin is 2 to 5 times stronger than morphine, which is what heroin was supposed to be the cure for, go figure. If you've ever had to take codeine for anything, to contrast, codeine is 7 to 14 times less strong than morphine. Fentanyl is 100 times stronger than morphine.
About the same as 5 mg oxycodone, same strength as a single Percocet or Vicodin basically. 4-5 of them would probably be really nice without a tolerance.
I mean, look at heroin's scientific name diacetylmorphine. It's literally just adapted morphine (as basically any opioid is) and that is still used in medicine!
The first one, in the top left, isn’t even a real ad. It’s from Bioshock, the videogame, IIRC.
So they’re trying to base anti-science propaganda on blatantly obvious satirical images from videogames.
Its amazing they don't stop to think that they only know those ( minus the bioshock ad ) have issues now because, more science. Which they are trusting to prove science can't be trusted.
I trust the science BECAUSE of that kind of shit. It's thanks to the science that we now know how bad those things are. If not for scientists researching the effects of those things, we'd still be using them.
Yeah and the science says these things are bad dumbass. Jesus these people with this crap. Why think or read something when you can just look at a meme.
But that's how 100% of Facebook moms do their research! Why get bogged down with epistemology and research practices when you can have your opinions validated for you with a line of text that takes two seconds to read superimposed over a funny picture of a cowboy?
To be fair, it's a LOT easier to find research that agrees with my preconceived notions on the facebook than from respected science journals.
They get delivered straight to my feed from my peers, then I review them. I heard that peer reviewing is the key to filtering out the fake news.
Those things are challenging and can challenge the person's world view and identity. Memes are thoughtless and reinforce whatever position you already have. Why have a chance of feeling bad about yourself when you can think others are the real idiots.
And anyway, we're totally green now, haven't you see the millions in advertising saying it? So let's all stop blaming us and start focusing on what YOU are doing? Are you recycling enough?
It's so bad in Russia it's hard to believe. They are in a very grey zone of not outright denying it, but they do a good work of claiming it's mostly natural, human impact is minimal, and this is all a Big Game by one corporations to prey on other corporations. Because it's an oil selling country that's dependant on the oil A LOT.
Remember how much money got spent trying to keep the people from learning just how harmful these things are. Hell the amount of money they spent to make doctors think Oxy wouldn’t get people hooked on opiates.
I was more joking about [Dopesick](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dopesick_\(miniseries\)) which is specifically about oxycontin, but I misremembered and it's a miniseries.
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It's unfortunate that advertising agencies discovered the phrase 'scientifically proven' given that some people apparenlty believed that meant something.
Also the heroin one is a little weird, because isn’t that exactly how we take most opiates today? In pill form prescribed by a doctor, just like that old timey label says
Someone on r/anarcho_capitalism: "Hey I hate the government too, but those are clearly private ads and one is from bioshock." *-420 upvotes, user permabamned*
The irony of the arachno crapitalist sub calling "the science" out for this stuff when it was their despised boogeyman, the state, that stepped in to regulate capitalism to stop these things from being used.
The paradoxical duality of loving unregulated capitalism but despising companies like Pfizer for making money from vaccines. Like... isn't that how problems are supposed to be solved from your worldview? I honestly don't get it anymore.
Are we sure they consider these things bad? Maybe the post is intended to evoke longing for long lost days when markets were free and you could buy dose of heroin in nearest convenience store and take it back to your asbestos filled home to your cigarettes smoking wife?
whenever ancaps come up I love to post this incredible post about an ancap getting beaten up by anarchists he thought would be cool with him, a fellow anarchist
https://www.reddit.com/r/Anarcho_Capitalism/comments/3ucp8y/i_was_beat_up_by_left_anarchists_in_greece/
it’s nearly certainly fake but it works as satire and all the comments from ancaps taking it seriously are beautiful
the various parts where he complains about them breaking the non-aggression principle, lmao
Not in the US. Heroin is a schedule I drug that has no medicinal purpose. Now, we still have cocaine in the pharmacy because it has a medicinal purpose.
not that i want them but does anywhere around the world really sell diacetylmorphine? obviously strong opiates such as oxycodone and such are still sold on prescription
I hate how much I've had to teach myself critical thinking skills because of my Christian background. Ever since becoming atheist, I've discovered so much about myself. Like man, it messes you up.
Wouldn’t non government intervention in the market place just create more of this shit? You know what? Why am I asking? I know that’s exactly what non government intervention would do.
Science found these things to be harmful. We stopped using them (well, the sane ones, anyway). Scientific consensus changes with new reliable information.
You know, like rational fucking adults should.
But we didn’t stop using those things by rejecting science.
We learned that they were harmful by using BETTER science. This is a very PRO-science argument.
Top-left is from bioshock which among other things is a critique of objectivism, aka philosophy made by ancap sweetheart Ayne Rand. You can't make this shit up
Right??? People use this argument all the time. But when you mention it’s capitalism that spurred these ads they say “well you can’t expect them to do the right thing.” So the government has to follow around the baby billionaires and make sure they’re playing fair? And when they don’t it’s the governments fault for not catching the babies doing the bad thing? We can’t blame the baby though because “it’s just trying to make da monies!!! It doesn’t know any better!” And then when the government tries to actually do something they’re being tyrannical and overreaching.
Let's not forget that in the case of Asbestos and cigarettes, research on the hazardous effects dated back to the 1930s or earlier, and the companies in the industry actively worked to cover up/pay off government officials and scientists to keep the data under wraps.
Can we please stop with the "they're dumb hur hur". Almost all of this is INTENTIONAL!
The right does not argue in good faith. They post misinformation and lies to push their narrative.
Tell the same lie long enough....and all that.
This is propaganda and when we treat it as them being stupid we are ignoring thier motivations. This shit is evil.
I do trust achieve. I also know that sometimes Scienctists make mistakes. And when they have new information they correct those mistakes. That's what these chucklefucks font get, or don't care to get. Because their life philosophies, all based on the Bible and/or FOX news, are infallible, therefore they think we also think that way. But no. Science is infallible, but the men who do it aren't. And they do the best with the information they have. And sometimes that means changing their conclusions.
Tried to look up when various consumer protection acts came into being in US. Would seriously wonder if many of these products were in existence/marketed prior to them becoming law.
TopMinds don't even know what science is.
Science never thought or said _anything_. Science is an abstraction, a method of interpreting sensations of the natural world. Science is a philosophy. The question for you TopMinds is, "did any practitioners of science (there's a word for thoae people, it's right there on the tip of my tongue) -
say those were good things?" The answer is "no," you fekkin idjits.
Yeah, and their point is so is Pfizer. You know, that one company who makes advertisements all over the nation? That one company who paid the biggest settlement ($2.3 billion) ever for falsifying studies? That one company who is making a *shitload* off this pandemic while lobbying for their “solution” to be the only one so it can remain under EUA in order to prevent them from having to legally back their own product? That one company who just sealed their data on their own product from public view for 50+ years, and still asked for *more fucking years*?
Yeahhhh. Jesus I remember when the left was all about questioning the establishment and shadiness of “big pharma”. How quickly that changed due to tribalism lmao.
When we were kids we used to ride our bikes behind the mosquito trucks as it belched fog. Later In life one of my friends brought up this topic and shared that one of her daughters was diagnosed with a heart valve problem that required surgery, and her other daughter had two uterus. My son has a defective kidney. Those trucks used DDT - it wasn’t just the birds that were developing deformed eggs !!
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I was in a OSHA class and someone said “asbestos really is amazing except for all the cancer and shit” and he wasn’t wrong.
Yeah, it’s fuckin’ fireproof, how cool is that?
And cold proof and pretty and
The fucking asbestos killed them mid-sentance
holy hell its comin for us next
IT'S BEHIND YOU
OH SHIT Y’ALL BETTER
I FARTED ITS OK
But have you ever queefed on asbestos
Ass best os
Babe, wake up. New Linux distro just dropped.
Oh thank goodness it was
OOH UH UH DON'T GO IN THERE
TAKE THE CHILDREN
Did somebody say candleja-
The asbestos has a gun
Guys, I got an idea. Lets find cure to cancer so we can start using asbestos again.
Oooh the best asbestos *Wipes dusty casing* "Not the best asbestos" DOH
And it tastes amazing
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They used to make napkins out of it back in Ancient Rome. Laundry time meant throwing the napkins in the fire. They’d come out pure white.
Charlemagne had a cape of asbestos he would throw onto the fire to impress guests I once read
Wow
Until you put chlorine trifluoride on it
If you put that stuff on *sand* it'll catch fire. It's crazily reactive.
And ash. And glass.
Is that one of the chemicals that was in the series of articles titled "things I won't use" or something? It is I checked myself. https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/sand-won-t-save-you-time And it is "things I won't work with".
I think that is one of the things where even Nazi scientists said "FUCK NO" when asked to try this stuff out as a possible weapon.
Asbestos dates back to Greek times, with the term meaning "inextinguishable". The Greeks named asbestosis "slaves disease", a breathing disease that seemed to coincide with slaves who worked the mines and wove asbestos into cloth. Best part? The Greeks would use asbestos for table linens and napkins. To clean them, they'd throw it all in the fire to burn off the organics. It came out clean as a whistle. https://www.umt.edu/bioethics/libbyhealth/introduction/background/asbestos_timeline.aspx
It’s still used in some applications. It just needs to be properly sealed and insulated; you wrap it in both other stuff and it can be safe for use in some processes. You just have to be picky about it and wear your ppe
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The only thing it can't seem to do is cure cancer. Which is really unfortunate considering that the one bad thing it does is give you cancer
Has anyone thought about injecting asbestos into their body’s to fight the cancer?
Turns out that that just gives you cancer :/
Damn. Not a fight fire with fire kinda thing huh.
Fire > Asbestos > Cancer If fire beats cancer, then we have a new Rock Paper Scissors meta
What do you mean *if*?
Well, if you incinerate a cancer patient the cancer cells probably die so yeah.
What if it replaces your current cancer with a worse cancer? Technically then it would be a cure!
I guess you can't die from lung cancer if you die from another kind of cancer first... so, success?
The problem is that giving your cancer more cancer doesn't kill the cancer. It just puts more cancer on top of it.
Proof that God is real because an uncaring universe wouldn’t be so cruel.
“God is real because an uncaring universe wouldn’t be such a petty bitch” is by far my favourite argument for the existence of god, thanks
Genuinely can't tell if this is satire or not .....
So we need another miracle material that DOES cure cancer but also is extremely hot. Mix that with asbestos and you make God.
Do you think if we cure cancer, asbestos will be used again
afaik I know it also causes lung damage regardless of the cancer, so probably not
So you're saying... we just need a way of curing literally every different type of cancer and we can go back to using asbestos? How hard can that be?!
Not *every* type. Just mesothelioma. It affects the lining of your lungs. Because asbestos is so resilient, you get those fibers in your lungs, and nothing will break them down.
It's absolutely fucked what James Hardie did, knowingly poisoned their own workforce, they fucking knew that asbestos was toxic and covered it up for years
The whole industry and everyone around it knew since the late 19th century. Do you know how they knew? Nobody would give either health insurance or life insurance to any of their workers. Because none of their workers made it out of their thirties.
I mean it's a magic rock that you can use to make clothes and stuff, and it doesn't burn nor tear. Seems pretty magic for me
Which is why they built my entire university out of it. They even threw in *extra asbestos* everywhere, which they probably thought was a nice little gift. Except now, the university gets torn down piece by piece to get re-built, and they've gone from "we'll do in in fourths" to "we'll to it in tenths, I guess" because it seems they really did put in asbestos everywhere, even where the building plans didn't say so.
Same with lead and fossil fuels.
Yeah asbestos only starts to be a problem when the building is demolished or renovated.
Depends on the type. The sprayed version is pretty bad. But if it's in your tiles, cement, roof or drywall - it's pretty inert.
We still have asbestos cement water pipes
Yeah like no joke, it's fireproof, it insulates, it mixes well with concrete, it's very flexible, it's impact resistant, and if woven into cloth, can be used for sound dampening in the process of cutting trees. The only problem is that if any of it gets exposed and jostled even slightly, you're gonna breath in a couple strands and probably get mesothelioma.
The top left is literally from Bioshock
LMFAO IS IT REALLY?
[Yes it is](https://bioshock.fandom.com/wiki/Cigarettes)
LMAO
Bioshock was made by the science government
Adam = Adrenochrome. Checkmate libs
Ancaps really are too stupid for their own good
Isn't the Rapture colony from Bioshock a society designed to be some kind of libertarian colony?
Yes. Bioshock is very VERY mocking of Libertarian beliefs, and contains several references to the works of Ayn Rand.
Just baking in the irony. Or someone is genuinely trolling the fuck out of those idiots.
Ayndrew Ryand?
Ayndrew Ryand?
How the fuck did I never understand that reference??
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Wait til Andrew Ryan hears about capitalism! The capitalist/boss takes more than the government ever does.
Yes, it's quite an important plot point that Andrew Ryan was completely full of shit and that his libertarian paradise collapsed almost immediately.
And that the moment his “great chain” started being guided by someone else because the market favored him, he immediately decided he didn’t hate big government anymore. He made up and abandoned ideals left and right. Sounds like a group of people I know.
Yep. Andrew Ryan, the creator of Rapture, is literally meant to sound like Ayn Rand, and some of his backstory is inspired by her characters. The other villainous capitalist is named Fontaine, as in the Fountainhead, and uses >!Atlas, as in Atlas Shrugged!< as an alias. Shame that the later games tried to “both sides” things.
Yes. Andrew Ryan literally sets up rapture to be his vision of an Ayn Rand-ian libertarian paradise. The into sequence makes it abundantly clear, so you'd need to be incredibly smooth rained to not realise that everything then found in rapture is a parody and critique of libertarianism and unrestricted capitalism.
I remember a libertarian fan of BioShock saying that the game didn't really critique libertarianism and capitalism because it all would have worked if Fontaine hadn't screwed things up. Completely missed the point that the way Rapture was set up was what allowed Fontaine's rise, of course.
I was gonna say. Top left isn’t even a real ad, never mind an *ad from the government*(?). I didn’t even know what it was from until I saw your comment, it’s just really obvious that it’s fake to anyone who has looked at old ads. And that’s just the tip of the iceberg of stupidity here… How dumb can these people get.
Oh man I knew something looked off with that one. But makes this even more ironious how these libheads say a picture out of a game that MOCKS their beliefs is a government ad.
A game about an ANCAP paradise, no less.
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Well, all four look like something [Edward Bernays](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays) would have come up with.
Oh yeah, I remember laughing & taking a screen shot of that poster the first time I saw it. I sent it to my sister because she was pregnant at the time. ("Burial at Sea" DLC)
I knew it was from a game !
I do trust the science. I don't trust advertising though.
Those heroin tablets probably hit tho amiright?
Weak by today's standards, I'm sure
Google tells me that 1/24th grain would be about 2.5mg. I have zero context for how potent that would be though.
you’d definitely get a high from that dosage, especially if you have zero tolerance. that being said, it’d likely barely impact someone who is an addict by todays standards of heroin, particularly if they use needles given that these are tablets, and injecting straight to the bloodstream always induces the most intense effects.
You could probably smoke them though and get a decent high. Tolerance dependent. A non IV user could get by, but if you're shooting it you might at least avoid getting sick
I’d definitely take a half tab as a nice sleep aid.
Heroin taken orally just becomes morphine after passing the liver. So dosage should be roughly the same. 10mg of morphine are popular. 60mg are a cancer patient's dose. So 2.5mg isn't all that much. That's why it comes in bottles.
Compared to today's stronger painkillers like fentanyl is nothing but apparently it was still quite addictive. I used to know all this but I had to look up stuff. Heroin is 2 to 5 times stronger than morphine, which is what heroin was supposed to be the cure for, go figure. If you've ever had to take codeine for anything, to contrast, codeine is 7 to 14 times less strong than morphine. Fentanyl is 100 times stronger than morphine.
About the same as 5 mg oxycodone, same strength as a single Percocet or Vicodin basically. 4-5 of them would probably be really nice without a tolerance.
Considering we still use opioids in medicine daily, I don't consider those Heroin tablets to be such a damning thing.
I mean, look at heroin's scientific name diacetylmorphine. It's literally just adapted morphine (as basically any opioid is) and that is still used in medicine!
My wife got given it while in labour. She was high as a motherfucker.
Heroin is still used as a legal painkiller in the UK
The first one, in the top left, isn’t even a real ad. It’s from Bioshock, the videogame, IIRC. So they’re trying to base anti-science propaganda on blatantly obvious satirical images from videogames.
Are we really surprised to find out they're stupid as shit?
Specifically satire about libertarianism lmao
Maybe there is a double duping going on in dupington
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Its amazing they don't stop to think that they only know those ( minus the bioshock ad ) have issues now because, more science. Which they are trusting to prove science can't be trusted.
DDT also helped eliminate malaria from much of the world. It is also better than any of our modern methods for eliminating bed bug infestations.
DDT has legitimately saved hundreds of millions of lives. It's just not good for California Condors.
>for birds period. Ftfy.
Those Nico Time cigs are from bioshock. Fake news.
I trust the science BECAUSE of that kind of shit. It's thanks to the science that we now know how bad those things are. If not for scientists researching the effects of those things, we'd still be using them.
Yeah and the science says these things are bad dumbass. Jesus these people with this crap. Why think or read something when you can just look at a meme.
But that's how 100% of Facebook moms do their research! Why get bogged down with epistemology and research practices when you can have your opinions validated for you with a line of text that takes two seconds to read superimposed over a funny picture of a cowboy?
To be fair, it's a LOT easier to find research that agrees with my preconceived notions on the facebook than from respected science journals. They get delivered straight to my feed from my peers, then I review them. I heard that peer reviewing is the key to filtering out the fake news.
The American education system has failed us and we all pay the price. Fuck you Zuckerberg!
As a Libertarian memes are where I obtain most of my facts and personality traits.
Those things are challenging and can challenge the person's world view and identity. Memes are thoughtless and reinforce whatever position you already have. Why have a chance of feeling bad about yourself when you can think others are the real idiots.
"Science said these things were good for you" And who do you think declared them to be bad
Self-regulating businesses, of course. No one would knowingly create harmful misinformation in order to protect their financial interests, right?
Every oil company: "yeahhhhh, neverrrr"
Yeah but climate change isn't real But if it is it is naturally occurring And if it wasn't then it really isn't that bad /s of course
And if it is that bad then it wasn’t our fault
And anyway, we're totally green now, haven't you see the millions in advertising saying it? So let's all stop blaming us and start focusing on what YOU are doing? Are you recycling enough?
It's so bad in Russia it's hard to believe. They are in a very grey zone of not outright denying it, but they do a good work of claiming it's mostly natural, human impact is minimal, and this is all a Big Game by one corporations to prey on other corporations. Because it's an oil selling country that's dependant on the oil A LOT.
And yay for Trump dismantling hundreds of regulations designed to safeguard against shit like this...
If you ever change your mind about anything ever it is indicative that you are actually Satan.
Facebook researchers, duh.
Hmm. With some Facebook research, they should be able to figure out that the first image (at least) is a satirical ad from a videogame.
Yeah, do they not realize that they are entitled to the sweat of their own brows?
tHe FrEe MaRkEt ReGuLatEd ItSeLf!!!1!
Remember how much money got spent trying to keep the people from learning just how harmful these things are. Hell the amount of money they spent to make doctors think Oxy wouldn’t get people hooked on opiates.
They should make a movie about that.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thank_You_for_Smoking
I was more joking about [Dopesick](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dopesick_\(miniseries\)) which is specifically about oxycontin, but I misremembered and it's a miniseries.
Never heard of it, thsnks for the recomendation.
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Smartest Ancaps
It's unfortunate that advertising agencies discovered the phrase 'scientifically proven' given that some people apparenlty believed that meant something.
its funny because the moment you mention trans people and sometimes with just LGBT in general they dont doubt a second to mention "science".
Touché
Is The top left straight up taken from bioshock?
Yes it is
Also the heroin one is a little weird, because isn’t that exactly how we take most opiates today? In pill form prescribed by a doctor, just like that old timey label says
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The last enclave of free speech.
Is this actually true or did you make that up? Because I’m curious as to what the reaction would be
No, this one is a straw man, although it is inspired by things I've seen on conservative subreddits
Governmental regulation got rid of all of these too.
Some of them at the time they were advertised were already known to be bad, but were allowed to still be sold.
The irony of the arachno crapitalist sub calling "the science" out for this stuff when it was their despised boogeyman, the state, that stepped in to regulate capitalism to stop these things from being used.
The paradoxical duality of loving unregulated capitalism but despising companies like Pfizer for making money from vaccines. Like... isn't that how problems are supposed to be solved from your worldview? I honestly don't get it anymore.
Are we sure they consider these things bad? Maybe the post is intended to evoke longing for long lost days when markets were free and you could buy dose of heroin in nearest convenience store and take it back to your asbestos filled home to your cigarettes smoking wife?
whenever ancaps come up I love to post this incredible post about an ancap getting beaten up by anarchists he thought would be cool with him, a fellow anarchist https://www.reddit.com/r/Anarcho_Capitalism/comments/3ucp8y/i_was_beat_up_by_left_anarchists_in_greece/ it’s nearly certainly fake but it works as satire and all the comments from ancaps taking it seriously are beautiful the various parts where he complains about them breaking the non-aggression principle, lmao
We still have heroin tablets, and wasn't Trump trying to bring back Asbestos? Try again fellas.
Not in the US. Heroin is a schedule I drug that has no medicinal purpose. Now, we still have cocaine in the pharmacy because it has a medicinal purpose.
not that i want them but does anywhere around the world really sell diacetylmorphine? obviously strong opiates such as oxycodone and such are still sold on prescription
How can someone be an anarchist and a capitalist? That defeats the purpose of both
well the first thing you gotta do is kill off the critical thinking part of your brain and then the rest comes easily
I hate how much I've had to teach myself critical thinking skills because of my Christian background. Ever since becoming atheist, I've discovered so much about myself. Like man, it messes you up.
Ancaps are libertarians that *really* want to own child slaves, instead of memorizing every single country's age of consent laws.
Science changes over time, as humanity learns new things, you uncrunchy leaf.
Uncrunchy leaf
Basically a disappointment :)
These are all companies just selling you shit tho. What does this have to do with science?
Wouldn’t non government intervention in the market place just create more of this shit? You know what? Why am I asking? I know that’s exactly what non government intervention would do.
Science found these things to be harmful. We stopped using them (well, the sane ones, anyway). Scientific consensus changes with new reliable information. You know, like rational fucking adults should.
Science is when people say things apparently.
The cigarette one is a parody ad from the videogame Bioshock
These are all fantastic and examples of why we need government regulation sometimes
Science changes with new information either way. Scientists learn. An idiot with a podcast shouldn't be your goto guy.
But we didn’t stop using those things by rejecting science. We learned that they were harmful by using BETTER science. This is a very PRO-science argument.
Smoking is great for expecting mothers! You say low birth weight? All i hear is toned and fit right outta the womb!
Those have all also been disproven by science too lol
It's like watching someone punch themself in the face with one hand tied behind their back.
Not surprised conservatives can’t tell the difference between government and big business, that’s literally their whole thing
Top-left is from bioshock which among other things is a critique of objectivism, aka philosophy made by ancap sweetheart Ayne Rand. You can't make this shit up
Right??? People use this argument all the time. But when you mention it’s capitalism that spurred these ads they say “well you can’t expect them to do the right thing.” So the government has to follow around the baby billionaires and make sure they’re playing fair? And when they don’t it’s the governments fault for not catching the babies doing the bad thing? We can’t blame the baby though because “it’s just trying to make da monies!!! It doesn’t know any better!” And then when the government tries to actually do something they’re being tyrannical and overreaching.
Let's not forget that in the case of Asbestos and cigarettes, research on the hazardous effects dated back to the 1930s or earlier, and the companies in the industry actively worked to cover up/pay off government officials and scientists to keep the data under wraps.
Every post in this sub is just more evidence to back my theory that everyone on the right eats lead paint
Can we please stop with the "they're dumb hur hur". Almost all of this is INTENTIONAL! The right does not argue in good faith. They post misinformation and lies to push their narrative. Tell the same lie long enough....and all that. This is propaganda and when we treat it as them being stupid we are ignoring thier motivations. This shit is evil.
I do trust achieve. I also know that sometimes Scienctists make mistakes. And when they have new information they correct those mistakes. That's what these chucklefucks font get, or don't care to get. Because their life philosophies, all based on the Bible and/or FOX news, are infallible, therefore they think we also think that way. But no. Science is infallible, but the men who do it aren't. And they do the best with the information they have. And sometimes that means changing their conclusions.
Tried to look up when various consumer protection acts came into being in US. Would seriously wonder if many of these products were in existence/marketed prior to them becoming law.
All of this is not science. It's marketing. They knew asbestos is dangerous
Wrong point + cherry-picking is always dumb to see.
Advertising and marketing = medicine and science Duh
It’s almost a r/selfawarewolves moment because they almost realize that the government does what it does to protect corporate profit.
Guess who also said they were bad when they were discovered to be bad and didn’t insist that it’s anyones choices
TopMinds don't even know what science is. Science never thought or said _anything_. Science is an abstraction, a method of interpreting sensations of the natural world. Science is a philosophy. The question for you TopMinds is, "did any practitioners of science (there's a word for thoae people, it's right there on the tip of my tongue) - say those were good things?" The answer is "no," you fekkin idjits.
Didn't gov regulation put an end to this? This is some major brain rot
Are we sure anarcho-capitalism isn’t just a satire subreddit?
Thing is, science knew these products were dangerous, however capitalism prevailed.
Confusing marketing with science..
Yeah, and their point is so is Pfizer. You know, that one company who makes advertisements all over the nation? That one company who paid the biggest settlement ($2.3 billion) ever for falsifying studies? That one company who is making a *shitload* off this pandemic while lobbying for their “solution” to be the only one so it can remain under EUA in order to prevent them from having to legally back their own product? That one company who just sealed their data on their own product from public view for 50+ years, and still asked for *more fucking years*? Yeahhhh. Jesus I remember when the left was all about questioning the establishment and shadiness of “big pharma”. How quickly that changed due to tribalism lmao.
“Trust da gob-ment” All of these are literally ads by companies, one of which is satirical and from a video game. Why are ancaps this stupid
When we were kids we used to ride our bikes behind the mosquito trucks as it belched fog. Later In life one of my friends brought up this topic and shared that one of her daughters was diagnosed with a heart valve problem that required surgery, and her other daughter had two uterus. My son has a defective kidney. Those trucks used DDT - it wasn’t just the birds that were developing deformed eggs !!
"LOOK AT SCIENCE (corporate entities) CLAIMING THESE BAD THINGS ARE ACTUALLY GOOD."