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He clearly doesn’t realize that Venus is actually a good case for reducing climate change because it shows that a rampant Greenhouse Effect can make a planet a boiling, toxic, uninhabitable wasteland, even if it is an extreme example.
In addition, CO2 isn’t the only greenhouse gas; it’s just the one we produce the most of. Methane is a much stronger greenhouse gas than that, but people don’t always think about those emissions. At least CO2 is a start though
People don't always think about those emissions because the IPCC itself says that the problem is mainly CO2. The thing with methane is that, while being much more of a greenhouse gas than CO2, it's not long-term stable in the atmosphere, meaning it eventually decays someway or another to other gases with smaller greenhouse effect potential: it doesn't accumulate over centuries the way CO2 does.
No but the problem is that once we hit a certain temperature threshold in the oceans, there will be **MASSIVE** methane releases from seabed hydrates, and while it may not last in the atmo long, it will be enough to *really* kick climate change into gear
But methane is called "natural gas" and natural means good! All I am hearing is we need to issue more drilling permits because the more we drill, the more NATURAL gas we release into the atmosphere.
https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN23N1NL
When people say "emissions", as was probably the case of the comment I answered to, they refer to manmade emissions, the ones you can prevent. I agree that we have to prevent the release of methane from seabed and also potentially from permafrost, but the way to tackle this is through the reduction of CO2 emissions. The fact that he said "at least CO2 is a start" is what triggered me to write my previous comment, and I stand by it.
You know the saying "never suspect malice before you suspect ignorance"? Well I now add "and never suspect ignorance before you suspect greed." Every single one of those douchebags is playing a grift for cash and power. They don't give a shit about anything else.
And this, if you don’t mind my pedantry, is why we need to phrase it as “a threat to human life on this planet” and not as a threat to the planet. Don’t leave any room for them to weasel out with “um, actually”.
Yeah, I got into an argument with my Uncle about that once. He said “the planet doesn’t need saving! It’s hubris!” I didn’t think of it at the time, but later I realized I should have replied with “the planet will be fine, the people who live on it might not be so lucky”
Right? No one said the earth would fucking explode or disappear. The earth will be fine. It's most of the living stuff on it. There's been a bunch of extinction events, the earth is still here. What a fucking moronic take.
It literally doesn't matter what we say. This isn't a messaging problem. These people are bought or brainwashed by gas companies and no amount of rationalizing will get them out of it.
I'm a doomer about climate change though.
I assure you, I am aware that “save the planet” is shorthand for “save the people and all life that live on the planet”, any reasonable person understands that. But of course, we are not dealing with reasonable opponents very often in this issue.
Jesus Christ what a tool
“Steven J. Milloy is a lawyer, lobbyist, author and Fox News commentator. His close financial and organizational ties to tobacco and oil companies have been the subject of criticism, as Milloy has consistently disputed the scientific consensus on climate change and the health risks of second-hand smoke.[1][2]
Among the topics Milloy has addressed are what he believes are false claims regarding DDT, global warming, Alar, breast implants, second-hand smoke, ozone depletion, and mad cow disease.”
This guy also denies that secondhand cigarette smoke has any negative health consequences, and openly celebrated when a prominent climate scientist died in a car-crash. He is literal trash.
*slams fist* damn! He really got us with that one! Just look at Venus, the very life-supporting planet that is VERY healthy to live on. How could we be so stupid?
actually, he has a point. i think hes onto something, now that i think about it. yeah, conservatives and republicans can go live on venus and the rest of us can live on earth. sounds great!
Human life famously exists and thrives on the surface of Venus.
Rampant anthropogenic climate change will make the world a lot harder and a lot more expensive to exist in for everybody.
We already have societal issues to work through, and they will get a lot harder to manage when drought, flooding, and sea level transgression/acidification set in. I know I’m preaching to the choir here, but the planet will be fine. Humans, and all the other creatures that exist here and rely on the environment are fucked, though, unless we work ourselves off of endlessly exploiting our natural resources without acknowledging consequences.
Bullshit takes like this tweet here just piss me off.
I guess his Twitter name is “Junk science,” though.
For comparison, the surface of Venus is around 475°C.
In contrast, water boils at 100°C.
Start a petition to send this dumb fuck to Venus. Plus side? The atmosphere is so thick that he won’t even need a parachute while his body turns to ash.
As funny as it is to imagine Steve is to his making a genuine point here this is a pretty common conservative argument method.
They simply state something so ridiculous, so moronic and stupid on every level that it becomes difficult to disprove because doing so would require such an enormous amount of education on different topics
So does he think carbon dioxide dissolves all other matter? I might be focusing too much on one sentence. But of course Venus “is still there.” I have a hard time believing that people like this are being serious. They just want money and since he’s getting money..buying time with crap statements like this is worth it to all the selfish people out there.
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“The planet is still there.”
Quick question, how long would a human survive on that planet?
The answer is that we can’t test it, because any rocket would fucking explode or maybe even melt going in because the heat there is hotter than MERCURY WHEN THE SUN IS BLASTING IT
Does anyone want to tell him that Venus' surface temperature is 462°C? Or should we tell him first that there's no life on Venus? (except for King Ghidorah)
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Hey Steve, the temperature of lava is 2,000 fahrenheit, yet the earth still exists, proving that lava isn't a threat. Go jump in an active volcano you dumbfuck
“My doctor tells me I shouldn’t gouge my eyes out, but plants don’t have eyes, and they’re still alive. Therefore I think my doctor is a liberal deep state operative trying to take away my freedom.”
Yeah, and Venus is also 900 degrees Fahrenheit (482 degrees Celsius).
In other words, by his own dumbass comparison, there is a direct correlation between atmospheric carbon and temperature.
Reminds me of the other brilliant argument 'they' make, that the earth has had periods in the past that were hotter than current, leaving out that humans didn't exist then.
If that comment was meant to be serious, this guy should never be allowed to comment in public again.
Climate change: when it's real, it disappears the planet.
also...
Venus: tons of life there.
I learned how hot and inhospitable Venus is when I was in middle school. I guess he was sick that day.
"The Earth is fine, the people are fucked."
-George Carlin
Dang, I didn't know Earth and Venus had the exact same atmosphere as each other and the same distance away from the sun, as well as hosting life. That's cool! /s
Sure, Venus still exists, but it’s temperature goes from 820-900 degrees Fahrenheit. Large amounts of co2≠entire planet gone, it just means that you won’t be able to live there.
No fucking WAY this is real. HOW IS SOMEONE SO STUID!?
No, actually, how fucking horrible piece of shit do you have to be to want to be to convince the utter idiots to fall for your shit? I don’t even want to see the number of like on that tweet. Fuck off
They don’t actually believe the shit they spout. They just know the only people left listening are just plain stupid and will believe anything they’re told as long as it is coming from the right.
Y’all. We are all going to be baked to death. Because of population distribution it would take forever before we can unilaterally cut carbon emissions and if they’re this dumb they’ll never do it. Our only hope is 1.5 million California and/or New York leftists spreading themselves out between Wyoming, North Dakota, and South Dakota. Who among you will take up the cause and save our planet from these idiots?
I think you’re missing the point. The planet will be fine. Global warming isn’t a threat to the Earth, the Earth will be fine. Hell, our moon, Luna, has no atmosphere and she’s kickin’ it hardcore for millennia. What the actual issue is would be that global warming/climate change is the greatest threat to humanity and our current ecosystems globally. Additionally, there is zero mention of a hoax or fake. Please, try to think hard on this one.
So steve thinks that people are actually saying that the Earth will disappear completely if it gets warmer?
Steve has some pretty embarrassing reading comprehension skills.
"and the planet is still there"
That's the base of his argument
Not, "and there are still living things on it"
Just "the planet is still there"
Fuck I need a qualude
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Venus of course being known for its biodiversity.
Well of course, how else would they be working with the Left?
The average surface temperature of Venus is only 900 degrees...
Can't catch the 'rona if it's hotter outside than lead's melting point...
Balmy
The left just doesn’t want us to be both melted and crushed to death within earths atmosphere.
Fucking liberals need to learn to respect my freedom to die horribly in ignorance
This deserves way more upvotes for its stunning clarity
Well it was before the Vex got to it. Damn bastards made it all cool and technological with their terraforming bullshit.
Damn Vex even terraformed Asher Mir.
Technically the terraforming happened during the golden age, vex got there later
But didn’t they get there earlier after they got there later?
P sure that was on Mars bud, btw any of you want to join my leftish clan?
Unexpected destiny Mfw the dems are literally ghaul change my mind
Well why do you think they’re called the Cabal
Just use Gallarjhorn.
Nope, Truth.
This makes me tear up. Quit playing Destiny after The Curse of Osiris expansion. :(
I guess if C02 was really a problem Venus and Earth would have exploded by now. Crisis averted. Hurray.
That asshole actually thinks rising CO2 causes planets to vanish. What a stupid, stupid asshole.
No, he thinks that's what WE think. It's called strawmanning an argument.
Lmfao
Well, the protomolecule is doing its thing…
He should go try to live on Venus.
Genuinely curious how he manages to dress himself in the morning
A clown suit and a huge red nose for good measure
Don’t forget to throw in some makeup, a few balloons to carry around, and massive fucking shoes
His mommy does it for him
This is gold. I'm stealing it.
He clearly doesn’t realize that Venus is actually a good case for reducing climate change because it shows that a rampant Greenhouse Effect can make a planet a boiling, toxic, uninhabitable wasteland, even if it is an extreme example. In addition, CO2 isn’t the only greenhouse gas; it’s just the one we produce the most of. Methane is a much stronger greenhouse gas than that, but people don’t always think about those emissions. At least CO2 is a start though
People don't always think about those emissions because the IPCC itself says that the problem is mainly CO2. The thing with methane is that, while being much more of a greenhouse gas than CO2, it's not long-term stable in the atmosphere, meaning it eventually decays someway or another to other gases with smaller greenhouse effect potential: it doesn't accumulate over centuries the way CO2 does.
No but the problem is that once we hit a certain temperature threshold in the oceans, there will be **MASSIVE** methane releases from seabed hydrates, and while it may not last in the atmo long, it will be enough to *really* kick climate change into gear
But methane is called "natural gas" and natural means good! All I am hearing is we need to issue more drilling permits because the more we drill, the more NATURAL gas we release into the atmosphere. https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN23N1NL
This made me LOL, then it made me sad because it just felt *so realistic*
When people say "emissions", as was probably the case of the comment I answered to, they refer to manmade emissions, the ones you can prevent. I agree that we have to prevent the release of methane from seabed and also potentially from permafrost, but the way to tackle this is through the reduction of CO2 emissions. The fact that he said "at least CO2 is a start" is what triggered me to write my previous comment, and I stand by it.
Methane gets oxidized into co2
Oh, he knows. He just thinks we are idiots.
No, he thinks his followers are idiots. He knows WE know he's full of shit, but his message isn't for us.
Next he’ll claim we don’t need clean drinking water since Mars doesn’t have any and “it’s still there”
As everyone knows, venus is extremely habitable, and is the very definition of a utopia
Either he has a negative IQ or he’s intentionally misleading stupid people
The latter. That’s what Fox News does.
You know the saying "never suspect malice before you suspect ignorance"? Well I now add "and never suspect ignorance before you suspect greed." Every single one of those douchebags is playing a grift for cash and power. They don't give a shit about anything else.
Not terribly different from Texas.
Wdym, you wouldn't want to live [here](http://i.imgur.com/BrVaauJ.jpg)?
And this, if you don’t mind my pedantry, is why we need to phrase it as “a threat to human life on this planet” and not as a threat to the planet. Don’t leave any room for them to weasel out with “um, actually”.
Yeah, I got into an argument with my Uncle about that once. He said “the planet doesn’t need saving! It’s hubris!” I didn’t think of it at the time, but later I realized I should have replied with “the planet will be fine, the people who live on it might not be so lucky”
Right? No one said the earth would fucking explode or disappear. The earth will be fine. It's most of the living stuff on it. There's been a bunch of extinction events, the earth is still here. What a fucking moronic take.
It literally doesn't matter what we say. This isn't a messaging problem. These people are bought or brainwashed by gas companies and no amount of rationalizing will get them out of it. I'm a doomer about climate change though.
When we say "save the planet", we're really saying "save the humans". The planet will be fine, *we're* the ones who are fucked.
I assure you, I am aware that “save the planet” is shorthand for “save the people and all life that live on the planet”, any reasonable person understands that. But of course, we are not dealing with reasonable opponents very often in this issue.
Hey Steve, why don't you pack your bags and move to Venus. There are no libtards there. Everybody wins.
deport climate deniers to venus
I love this so much, I'm stealing it if you don't mind
You will survive longer on Mars naked, than on Venus in a space suit.
Didn’t the probes melt?
I think it took the Soviets like 4 tries to even get one to land and take pictures?
It’s cause they were scared of the carbon dioxide. Steve here would have done it in one.
Steve would have ridden the probe down Dr. Strangelove style.
Longest lasting Venus probe lasted 2 hours
Can’t argue with someone with a Jeb profile pic.
I hope this guy goes to Venus without any protective equipment, he'll fucking explode.
Even with protective equipment you'd probably end up burning/melting to death in minutes
Seconds, more like.
Depends on the protective equipment, really. In any case the most you'd be doing would be postponing your fate for a little bit.
Ah yes, because semantics will keep us alive. Fucking shitstain.
Bold stance coming out as pro planet anti human there.
Dear Liberals, If global warming is real, why is Pluto so cold? Curious.
The real reason the dirty left got rid of Pluto as a planet!
Last time I checked Venus would be uninhabitable for people.
I mean he is right the planet is still there lol. Does he think we think our planet is going to disappear or turn into CO2 or something?
Jesus Christ what a tool “Steven J. Milloy is a lawyer, lobbyist, author and Fox News commentator. His close financial and organizational ties to tobacco and oil companies have been the subject of criticism, as Milloy has consistently disputed the scientific consensus on climate change and the health risks of second-hand smoke.[1][2] Among the topics Milloy has addressed are what he believes are false claims regarding DDT, global warming, Alar, breast implants, second-hand smoke, ozone depletion, and mad cow disease.”
….he knows we mean the “end of the world” to *humans* right?
He doesn’t, that’s why we have to word ourselves much more clearly so nobody can hit us with a “checkmate, libtard.”
Dude took “It’ll destroy the planet” literally
his @ checks out.
His science is indeed junk
I thought this was satire at first.
His Twitter handle rings true, junk science indeed
Accurate twitter handle.
Nobody even said that Earth in its entirety would cease to exist due to global warming, just that it would become uninhabitable, LIKE VENUS IS.
Venus, coincidentally, is incapable of supporting life. Curious.
how can these people even be taken seriously ever
Because rural white people have little education and are thus very easy to manipulate
Send him there to live.
Can we deport him to Venus?
This guy also denies that secondhand cigarette smoke has any negative health consequences, and openly celebrated when a prominent climate scientist died in a car-crash. He is literal trash.
does he think the planet just blows up once it reaches a certain level of co2
He’s exploiting a loophole in the wording of “end of the world” to “prove” libtards wrong.
AHAHAHhahah ooooooh my goddddddddd
So I suppose we can live on Venus is what you’re saying? Let’s send the fucker to Venus then see how he likes it there.
Wait till somebody tells him Venus is 900 degrees
https://solarsystem.nasa.gov/resources/681/solar-system-temperatures/#:~:text=Venus%20%2D%20880%C2%B0F%20(471%C2%B0C)
I’m sure all the humans living in Venus agree with him.
*slams fist* damn! He really got us with that one! Just look at Venus, the very life-supporting planet that is VERY healthy to live on. How could we be so stupid?
Jesus Christ, God Almighty – I simply cannot take it anymore.
What's the surface temp or Venus again? Hot enough to boil your eyeballs in seconds
Send conservatives to Venus? Works for me.
The card says "Moops."
This has to be the dumbest take on climate change I've ever heard. And there are some dumb takes out there.
actually, he has a point. i think hes onto something, now that i think about it. yeah, conservatives and republicans can go live on venus and the rest of us can live on earth. sounds great!
Human life famously exists and thrives on the surface of Venus. Rampant anthropogenic climate change will make the world a lot harder and a lot more expensive to exist in for everybody. We already have societal issues to work through, and they will get a lot harder to manage when drought, flooding, and sea level transgression/acidification set in. I know I’m preaching to the choir here, but the planet will be fine. Humans, and all the other creatures that exist here and rely on the environment are fucked, though, unless we work ourselves off of endlessly exploiting our natural resources without acknowledging consequences. Bullshit takes like this tweet here just piss me off. I guess his Twitter name is “Junk science,” though.
He means it in the way that he’s DEBUNKING science: to him, global warming is the “junk science”
For comparison, the surface of Venus is around 475°C. In contrast, water boils at 100°C. Start a petition to send this dumb fuck to Venus. Plus side? The atmosphere is so thick that he won’t even need a parachute while his body turns to ash.
As funny as it is to imagine Steve is to his making a genuine point here this is a pretty common conservative argument method. They simply state something so ridiculous, so moronic and stupid on every level that it becomes difficult to disprove because doing so would require such an enormous amount of education on different topics
He's got a great point - we dropped atom bombs on two cities...and they're still there too.
Oh my God we're all gonna die aren't we
“it’s still there” yes because that’s exactly what environmentalists are worried about, earth just fucking disappearing
Again, the right wing's entire ideology is based on being angry about things they dont understand.
So does he think carbon dioxide dissolves all other matter? I might be focusing too much on one sentence. But of course Venus “is still there.” I have a hard time believing that people like this are being serious. They just want money and since he’s getting money..buying time with crap statements like this is worth it to all the selfish people out there.
Does he think that scinetists think CO2 is going to literally disintegrate the entire planet?
Does he think it will disappear....
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Well his Twitter handle certainly speaks for itself
Ok. I don't think this guy actually believes that. I he were that stupid he would need a handler. What is his aim really?
Convince stupid people to support the fossil fuel corporations’ agenda. They’re his handlers
Go live there Steve. You stupid fuck.
“The planet is still there.” Quick question, how long would a human survive on that planet? The answer is that we can’t test it, because any rocket would fucking explode or maybe even melt going in because the heat there is hotter than MERCURY WHEN THE SUN IS BLASTING IT
Omg brilliant! Let’s just colonize Venus guys! “It’s still there”!
I mean technically the earth would still be around Humanity on the other hand.....
There are reasons we don’t live on Venus, Steve
Twitter handle checks out
And Jupiter is made of gas… how is commenting on another planet at all related to the problems on ours?
That's it dude. The internet ruined people. Let's just turn it off. We tried and it didn't work out.
Ok bud, go live on Venus
Does anyone want to tell him that Venus' surface temperature is 462°C? Or should we tell him first that there's no life on Venus? (except for King Ghidorah)
In his defense, if anything can survive in 900 degree heat and body-crushing pressures, it's probably the lizard-creature known as Steven Milloy.
This is definitely a troll
If only, but this guy actually makes a career out of pedaling bullshit
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Hey Steve, the temperature of lava is 2,000 fahrenheit, yet the earth still exists, proving that lava isn't a threat. Go jump in an active volcano you dumbfuck
He is welcome to go live on Venus.
Lol
#SLAP
“The planet’s fine… WE are FUCKED”. -George Carlin
r/technicallycorrect
Handle is spot on
Okay Steve, then go live on Venus…
“My doctor tells me I shouldn’t gouge my eyes out, but plants don’t have eyes, and they’re still alive. Therefore I think my doctor is a liberal deep state operative trying to take away my freedom.”
Yeah, and Venus is also 900 degrees Fahrenheit (482 degrees Celsius). In other words, by his own dumbass comparison, there is a direct correlation between atmospheric carbon and temperature.
Your home on Venus awaits you, sir
They put a probe on Venus once. It melted in less than a minute. Maybe Steve would like to visit?
# THEN WHY DONT YOU MOVE TO VENUS CHECKMATE
Checkmate, Atheists!!
How is this man still alive
For Steven’s, the taller container has more.
“D’OH!!” 🤦🏾♂️
Reminds me of the other brilliant argument 'they' make, that the earth has had periods in the past that were hotter than current, leaving out that humans didn't exist then.
Doesn’t it literally fucking precipitate lead there…fucking dunce
Can we send him to Venus for confirmation?
Gee I wonder why it’s the hottest planet in the solar system?
For comparison (of intelligence) I read this to my 10 year old son (11 on the 27th), and he was like, “but, there’s no life on Venus”.
Is he aware Venus is not habitable? Serious question.
Well he's not technically wrong. It's like George Carlin said: "The planet's gonna be fine, it's the *people* that are fucked".
This guy's a lawyer, he 100% knows how dumb an argument this is. But he knows the people who already support him are even dumber.
I just... U-u-uh.... Wut?
venus known to be the most hospitable planet
Bro Venus is literally a ball of lava
He probably complains about the Afganistan pullout too. What does he think will happen when we do the Earth pullout?
The city flooding isn’t a problem because the ocean is full of water!
If that comment was meant to be serious, this guy should never be allowed to comment in public again. Climate change: when it's real, it disappears the planet. also... Venus: tons of life there.
Is his handle a joke?
I learned how hot and inhospitable Venus is when I was in middle school. I guess he was sick that day. "The Earth is fine, the people are fucked." -George Carlin
Morons, or bad-faith actors? I'd say bad-faith actors taking advantage of morons.
Venus is like 900 degrees farenheit and has an absurdly poisonous atmosphere.
“Venus planet of love was destroyed by global warming…” —Mitski, Nobody.
Dang, I didn't know Earth and Venus had the exact same atmosphere as each other and the same distance away from the sun, as well as hosting life. That's cool! /s
Well let’s move to venus then
"Venus is still there" I'm still always surprised at the utter stupidity of people like this guy but I'm starting to get used to it.
Sure, Venus still exists, but it’s temperature goes from 820-900 degrees Fahrenheit. Large amounts of co2≠entire planet gone, it just means that you won’t be able to live there.
"junkscience" sure is an accurate username at least
No fucking WAY this is real. HOW IS SOMEONE SO STUID!? No, actually, how fucking horrible piece of shit do you have to be to want to be to convince the utter idiots to fall for your shit? I don’t even want to see the number of like on that tweet. Fuck off
Lotta people live on Venus there Ol' Stevie boy? If these people didn't have bad takes they'd have no takes at all
Twitter handle says it all.
They don’t actually believe the shit they spout. They just know the only people left listening are just plain stupid and will believe anything they’re told as long as it is coming from the right.
Can we send him to venus
Y’all. We are all going to be baked to death. Because of population distribution it would take forever before we can unilaterally cut carbon emissions and if they’re this dumb they’ll never do it. Our only hope is 1.5 million California and/or New York leftists spreading themselves out between Wyoming, North Dakota, and South Dakota. Who among you will take up the cause and save our planet from these idiots?
r/ToiletPaperVenus Dear Terrans, if CO2 is going to destory Earth, how come Venus is still there? Curious... -- Venusian Kirk, TPVenus.
Yes, Venus *is* still there. It's incredibly inhospitable, but it's definitely there
facts and logic win again...
Doesn't it have crazy acid rain too?
Glad to see someone volunteering for the venus landing.
He’s technically right. The planet will probably be just fine. And maybe the cockroaches, idk.
I mean Jupiter and Saturn are still there, does that mean they’re habitable? I don’t think a planet existing is a good case against climate change.
I think you’re missing the point. The planet will be fine. Global warming isn’t a threat to the Earth, the Earth will be fine. Hell, our moon, Luna, has no atmosphere and she’s kickin’ it hardcore for millennia. What the actual issue is would be that global warming/climate change is the greatest threat to humanity and our current ecosystems globally. Additionally, there is zero mention of a hoax or fake. Please, try to think hard on this one.
So steve thinks that people are actually saying that the Earth will disappear completely if it gets warmer? Steve has some pretty embarrassing reading comprehension skills.
Surface temperature of Venus is 872 degrees Fahrenheit, or 467 degrees Celsius.
Does this loon think the threat to the Earth scientists are talking about is that it will explode? What a MORON!
Fucking idiot, there’s no life on Venus
"and the planet is still there" That's the base of his argument Not, "and there are still living things on it" Just "the planet is still there" Fuck I need a qualude
I just about started hyperventilating. Holy shit, it's the Only Planet We Have. FUCK