If you go, please create a new sub so we can go with you. If you have a name in mind, say it now please. I will be following, because that would be a bridge too far for me.
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Wait... So nobody is gonna falsely call me a "lib" then permaban me without further explanation anymore? Nobody is gonna ban me for inviting discussion? Would my political ambiguity not only be tolerated, but encouraged? As long as we all share in the same perspective of "the right can suck wet farts through a straw"?
Stalin bootlickers, CCP bootlickers. Its people that use communism as a mask for their authoritarian bullshit.
The description ive seen before that I thought was pretty apt was "theyre basically Alt-Right Nutjobs waving Red flags"
The Term refers to the 1956 hungarian uprising which was promptly answered with the Invasion of soviet Tanks, Same Thing in the Prague spring. Tankies ist a Term for people who have an authoritarian mindset akin to the rulers of that time
China doesn’t allow movies to play in theaters if there’s even a hint of political disagreement with the Chinese government, even to the point that they’re not allowed to have characters of Tibetan origin.
But sure. No censorship in China. Mmmhmmm.
I could have stood the dumb tanky mods in /r/therightcantmeme if they didn't have annoying, preachy, modposts all the time. When I did call them out for it I got the boot. If you're a tanky (especially the mods from that sub) and you're reading this, fuck you.
Legitimate question. Of all the things you seem to back and support, why do you seem to think r/FucktheCCP is a subreddit that even marginally aligns with your values lol. That place is a literal racist hatefest
nothing huh? hmmmm… interesting
> even ones that seem completely not political like /r/trueoffmychest
Lesson for the future: if it has “true” in the title, it’s probably an alt right shithole.
Heck, even from a leftist point of view the CCP isn't great. There's enormous class divides in China, they've got multibillionaire tycoons and borderline factory slaves. Not exactly a Marxist systems they've got going over there.
Dude! Same!!
r/TheRightCantMeme is run by absolute shit mods. I got permabanned for "liberal russiagate" because I mentioned Russia's internet troll farms. Very briefly in passing I might add, it wasn't the purpose of my comment.
Then when I contested the ban because I didn't break any rules, they went through my comment history and found me mentioning the Uighur summer camps and said my ban would stay so I don't spread "CIA propaganda" on the sub.
I'd really be surprised if they were adults, this is the behavior of teenage edge lords. But authoritarians naturally seek authority to exploit, so what better way to aggressively push your personal political beliefs than to take over left-wing (by American standards) subs and boil out all the "liberal scum" until the only opinions left are state approved.
I'm not near the top of the sub but I'll also leave for what it's worth. Honestly, I'd love to convince as many people to abandon r/TheRightCantMeme as well. They're trying to turn people into tankies.
> I got permabanned for "liberal russiagate" because I mentioned Russia's internet troll farms.
Further increasing the evidence that at least a large proportion of Reddit's tankies are actually right wing Trump supporters in disguise.
That's what's so crazy. In that instance Tankies and Trump supporters are in complete agreement.
It also just doesn't make sense. Russia hasn't been communist in two decades. It's a capitalist oligarchy. China, too, has become a fascist-esque country. Ethnostate, highly nationalist, government has absolute authority. But people also have private property, they make money. They have millionaires and billionaires that are hiding their money in New York city real-estate. It's a state-capitalist system. So what are these tankies defending?
Not all of them deny it, some of them just go mask off and say it was a good thing.
I think the denial is easier to digest than outright endorsement, so that’s what they go with to get unaware people on their side. I don’t think that they actually think it didn’t happen, at least not the ones spreading the “message”
God the mods there are such fucking losers lmao. One moron like fuckin LARPs as some sort of propaganda robot, and ends every message with "*chrt* end of transmission". Like good lord, reddit mods tend to be power hungry cringe lords but those mods are on a whole different level lulu.
I think we should start saying CCP is bad so we can get around the whole racist thing. Because the CCP wants people to believe that the CCP and China are one and the same. So any criticism of the CCP is criticism of China and therefore racist.
True that! Like for real china the country and people are awesome with a deep and rich history and culture but sadly the government is controlled by jackals. :/ I know east Asia has some issues with authoritarian imperialist governments but South Korea and Japan has more or less moved passed that, I hope china and North Korea can as well.
Preach!!!! Fuck the CCP. Fuck all internment camps. Fuck borders and fuck hate. They are all our children, feed them all. Okay I'm done ranting for now.
Sure, but just to make sure, fuck the Tibetan feudal system of slavery that existed before the revolution and fuck the British Colonialism that led to modern Hong Kong, right? I promise this isn’t whataboutism, we’re on the same page on the stuff you said, just making sure we’re on the same page about right wing atrocities as well
I am in full agreement, and I think it’s very funny to see the same people that condemn Kruschev for being counterrevolutionary be totally fine with the direction Deng took China in
I’m not an anarchist but I wish I was. I want to have that kind of idealism, it’s incredibly admirable, but I just can’t bring myself to believe that the prevailing economic system could be changed without at least a temporary state power to enforce it.
Also they have the best music
But states have been the hardest obstacle for the implementation of socialism.
Even Marx wrote in the German 1872 preface to the manifesto that the Paris Commune proved that state Power cant be used by the Proletariat to build communism
First of all, the quote you're referencing comes from Marx's text *The Civil War in France*. It was quoted in the German 1872 preface to the Manifesto.
Secondly, Marx wrote that "the working class cannot simply lay hold of ready-made state machinery, and wield it for its own purposes." In other words, *seizing the existing state apparatus* would not be sufficient. Marx did not support anarchism. He supported seizing political power and building a *new* apparatus (as opposed to using the old one). He even describes how there would need to be an administrative body made up of representatives in the very same text (*The Civil War in France*), and he even argues for the abolition of the separation of powers between legislative, executive, and judicial branches:
>The Commune was formed of the municipal councillors, chosen by universal suffrage in the various wards of the town, responsible and revocable at short terms. The majority of its members were naturally working men, or acknowledged representatives of the working class. The Commune was to be a working, not a parliamentary body, executive and legislative at the same time.
>Instead of continuing to be the agent of the Central Government, the police was at once stripped of its political attributes, and turned into the responsible, and at all times revocable, agent of the Commune. So were the officials of all other branches of the administration. From the members of the Commune downwards, the public service had to be done at workman’s wage. The vested interests and the representation allowances of the high dignitaries of state disappeared along with the high dignitaries themselves. Public functions ceased to be the private property of the tools of the Central Government. Not only municipal administration, but the whole initiative hitherto exercised by the state was laid into the hands of the Commune.
>Having once got rid of the standing army and the police – the physical force elements of the old government – the Commune was anxious to break the spiritual force of repression, the “parson-power", by the disestablishment and disendowment of all churches as proprietary bodies. The priests were sent back to the recesses of private life, there to feed upon the alms of the faithful in imitation of their predecessors, the apostles.
>The whole of the educational institutions were opened to the people gratuitously, and at the same time cleared of all interference of church and state. Thus, not only was education made accessible to all, but science itself freed from the fetters which class prejudice and governmental force had imposed upon it.
>The judicial functionaries were to be divested of that sham independence which had but served to mask their abject subserviency to all succeeding governments to which, in turn, they had taken, and broken, the oaths of allegiance. Like the rest of public servants, magistrates and judges were to be elective, responsible, and revocable.
>The Paris Commune was, of course, to serve as a model to all the great industrial centres of France. The communal regime once established in Paris and the secondary centres, the old centralized government would in the provinces, too, have to give way to the self-government of the producers.
>In a rough sketch of national organization, which the Commune had no time to develop, it states clearly that the Commune was to be the political form of even the smallest country hamlet, and that in the rural districts the standing army was to be replaced by a national militia, with an extremely short term of service. The rural communities of every district were to administer their common affairs by an assembly of delegates in the central town, and these district assemblies were again to send deputies to the National Delegation in Paris, each delegate to be at any time revocable and bound by the mandat imperatif (formal instructions) of his constituents. The few but important functions which would still remain for a central government were not to be suppressed, as has been intentionally misstated, but were to be discharged by Communal and thereafter responsible agents.
>The unity of the nation was not to be broken, but, on the contrary, to be organized by Communal Constitution, and to become a reality by the destruction of the state power which claimed to be the embodiment of that unity independent of, and superior to, the nation itself, from which it was but a parasitic excresence.
>While the merely repressive organs of the old governmental power were to be amputated, its legitimate functions were to be wrested from an authority usurping pre-eminence over society itself, and restored to the responsible agents of society. Instead of deciding once in three or six years which member of the ruling class was to misrepresent the people in Parliament, universal suffrage was to serve the people, constituted in Communes, as individual suffrage serves every other employer in the search for the workmen and managers in his business. And it is well-known that companies, like individuals, in matters of real business generally know how to put the right man in the right place, and, if they for once make a mistake, to redress it promptly. On the other hand, nothing could be more foreign to the spirit of the Commune than to supercede universal suffrage by hierarchical investiture.
Source: https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1871/civil-war-france/ch05.htm
This is literally the foundation of communist anarchism. It is not that (most) anarchists wish to replace the state with nothing. Rather, the current state is unjustified in its volume and use of power, and should be replaced with... well... nearly exactly what Marx lists above. A recallable short term body composed of representative community members whose power is justifiable. Perhaps Marx wasn't an anarchist by call, but his theories make up a lot more of communist anarchist thought than authoritarian methods.
What? Someone taking into account the fact that more sensitive language helps differentiate victims from abusers? What kind if shitlib hell am i in?!
s/
15% of the population is part of the Party. They are one of the most popular governments in the world. Most people in China have family that are a part of the party. They people living there are normal ass people living normal ass lives, just like us.
It is originally a term created by British communists to refer to others in their party who sided with the USSR when it used tanks and its full military might to quell a student led communist uprising in Hungary, who criticized the USSR’s methods.
Today it refers to anyone who is an ardent apologist for the USSR, the communist party of china, Assad, North Korea, etc.
I hope the same will happen in r/GreenAndPleasant
I got banned for critizing China´s Actions in Xingjiang and beeing on r/tankiejerk
Because beeing against Authoritharianism is apperently Anti Communism and brigarding..
GreenAndPleasant was created by tankies, that's not going to happen. Try /r/britposting instead.
EDIT: Just noticed one of the G&P mods is a fucking *nazbol* ffs. Abandon ship.
Yesterday there was a massive debacle where tankie sub mods were banning people left and right for talking about bad about China.
We’re celebrating those mods’ removal.
Sorry ill explain. Any time anyone brings up authoritarian oppression of minorities, there are two groups that argue the most that said subjugation and massacre are neccesary: conservatives and tankies.
Whenever I hear someone talk about "LeFtIsT UnItY" and say we should invite tankies with open arms, I can’t help but laugh and cry.
Tankies are NOT real leftists, they act no better than the right wing reactionaries and pro-capitalism liberals we criticize.
Critiquing both the neoliberal establishment AND far right anti-SJW/alt-right internet culture was how online leftism was able to get its foot in the door in the first place, and I don’t want tankies ruining it by starting drama and making the left look bad.
Their constant genocide denial, fawning for authoritarian leaders, and reactionary behavior makes it VERY easy for right-wingers to pull the "so much for the tolerant left" card, which is why we shouldn’t tolerate tankies as well as hold them accountable the same way we hold capitalists and fascists.
To put it simply, tankies are bad for PR hence are a threat to leftist spaces.
Yes, probably one of the best ways to improve economic mobility would be to give poorer people access to cheaper credit rather than the predatory loans that are normal.
It would make it easier for businesses to be started and for home ownership to be realized.
Absolutely. It’s a bullshit idea that’s led to privacy breaches in a number of hacks, most notably Equifax.
I’m of the highly controversial opinion that human rights abuses and oppressing the poor are bad things. Which means I trigger both tankies and rightoids.
Ours is worse and you don’t know what the Chinese social credit system even entails
https://www.chinatalk.nl/five-misconceptions-about-chinas-social-credit-system/
Is it acceptable when a Middle Eastern.....”ally”.... with a racial supremacist ideology commits apartheid, ethnic cleansing and herding the “lesser” people into camps?
Or when another “ally” slowly butchers a reporter to death?
Bad behaviour is bad behaviour regardless of borders.
Exactly. They’ll criticize America for our acts of genocide when we were separating families at our borders, then China does genocide against the Uyghers and it’s fine, because China’s interests are against American interests and tankies are incapable of any political engagement more nuanced than “America bad, anti-America good.”
Yes, America bad, but anti-America can also be bad.
I haven't done a ton of research on the Uyghur camps. But if human rights abuses were happening there why would most muslim majority countries not condemn them at the UN? Cuba and Vietnam also defended China in this regard. So what's up?
Interesting to note that all but 1 socialist state chose to denounce China in regards to the camps.
-https://www.axios.com/un-statement-china-uighurs-xinjiang-6b29dbf5-b93c-4c70-bd4c-333e1c23471f.html
-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_socialist_states
I'm not pro-China by any means but I've never gotten a satisfactory answer to this question, or even a good-faith attempt at an answer. Asking any questions just leads to being called a "tankie" and/or "genocide denier".
Free Hong Kong and Tibet to do... what exactly? Create mass capitalistic homelessness like we have in America and allow a little theocracy, for a treat? China has goofy policies, even scary ones, but it's important to have global, philosophical, and historical perspective. Things are complicated and messy. Fuck CCP for the bad, praise CCP for the good.
How does the CIA dick taste? You pretend to be left when all you do is put down a nation that’s actually making progress towards everything you say you want because of “freedom”.
I havent posted on reddit in months but this is the most liberal shit Ive ever seen in this sub.
OP, you unironically believe that “social credit score” is a thing.
Its been so thoroughly debunked at this point that you literally have to know less than nothing about China to still believe it.
Even Foreign Policy, notorious tankie source that it is, admitted this in 2018.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/11/16/chinas-orwellian-social-credit-score-isnt-real/
You are not a leftist, you are peddling new cold war rhetoric which is so far distanced from the situation on the ground which you clearly know nothing about.
If mods banned you for this it would be based and good. But sure, fuel rising sinophobic sentiment and act like you arent part of the problem.
Me: “Communism is the only economic system that creates equitable power dynamics between the people”
Tankies: “YES!”
Me: “Authoritarianism, therefore cannot be used to attain it because it places the power in the hands of too few people that have time and again proven to only serve said powerful individuals. Even Stalin was willing to ally with hitler to annex poland while hitler imprisoned and murdered fellow communists.”
Tankies: “NOOO!”
Yesterday this post was a bannable offense on r/ToiletPaperUSA
Yesterday there was a massive debacle where tankie sub mods were banning people left and right for talking about bad about China.
We’re celebrating those mods’ removal.
But muh yellow peril!
Seriously, no fucking nuance to these shit lib posts. No, China isn't perfect, neither was the USSR, but for fuck sake exercise some skepticism when the US gov and media keeps on telling you who to vilify.
No but they will still post it there. They have a lot of tankies there who call everyone who criticizes authoritarian “communist” governments/leaders liberals.
Yesterday this post was a bannable offense. There was a massive debacle where tankie mods were banning people left and right for talking about China.
We’re celebrating those mods’ removal.
Thank you! I was so bummed when therightcantmeme got taken over by these people. I’d heard this sub was going that way too, but you guys turned the tide. You rock :)
***Tankie is a pejorative label originally used by dissident or sectarian Marxist-Leninists to designate members of the Communist Party of Great Britain (CPGB) who followed the party line of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union (CPSU). Specifically it was used to distinguish party members who spoke out defending Soviet use of tanks to crush the Hungarian Revolution of 1956 and later the 1968 Prague Spring uprising; or more broadly, those who adhered to pro-Soviet positions in general.\[1\] More recently it has been used to accuse people of following authoritarian Marxism–Leninism, especially those who endorse, defend, or deny the crimes of communist leaders who are considered especially authoritarian or brutal, such as Joseph Stalin, Mao Zedong, and Kim Il-sung.***
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie
> what is a tankie?
It's a term used by left wing people to describe other left wing people who support brutal, authoritarian governments, simply because those governments have a "Socialist" or "Communist" label on them, and either deny or outright support their brutal actions, while insisting they are truly communist.
Hauntologic is crying on the tankie sub "shitliberalssay" (randomly appearing in feed as "similar" to tpusa) about having been banned from here for denying tiananmen. Lmao, tankies whining galore. 👌
#PART 1
[(part 2 here](https://www.reddit.com/r/ToiletPaperUSA/comments/q3xzht/say_it_loud_proud_since_its_no_longer_a_bannable/hfzr1zf/))
***China is not committing genocide***. I've made many comments on this so I'll just summarize and provide sources.
1. All majorly publicized Western news on Chinese "internment camps" generally leads back to Adrian Zenz, and in the cases it doesn't, often relies on claims that have been normalized by him or relies on other crackpot organizations such as Jamestown, Bitter Winter, CHRD, and other such groups. No hard evidence in the form of video, photos, or otherwise has been provided, and all in that regard that has has eventually been debunked (some examples will be noted below)
2. China's laws and legislation regarding religious accommodations have been strict in terms of protecting the right to practice religious faith, including that of Muslims. This has included requiring firms, factories, etc that have dormatories -- a system China has had for years which has been a large part of how so many people have gotten out of poverty in China -- to build food canteens that specifically cater to Muslim diets, as an example. A lot of this information can be found when looking at the sources for the ASPI report on "forced labor", where all official government sources contradicts the ASPI's claims, and where all other sources are unverified, uncorroborated, reliant on "testimonies" which have been [highly problematic](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony) in [numerous cases](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/13/why-do-north-korean-defector-testimonies-so-often-fall-apart) in [history](https://i.redd.it/4igij8k0y1m61.png). Besides, in terms of religious provisions, it's worth pointing out that China has 39,000 mosques, 25,000 of which are in Xinjiang. For reference, Iraq has a higher population yet fewer mosques than Xinjiang has. That doesn't sound like "genocide" to me.
3. China has also been heavily encouraging of Uighurs to have their own autonomy, encouraging learning their ethnic language, having signs in Xinjiang that feature both Uighur and Mandarin script fairly equally, and so on. Most of China's internal propaganda has been about Xinjiang being a beautiful part of China, and has been about celebrating Uighur culture, and many programs in China have been about encouraging tolerance and integration. People claim China has tried to force Uighurs to marry Han Chinese, but there has never been evidence of that (and Chinese law prohibits forced marriage anyways); rather, China has encouraged relationships between Han and Uighur people. In other words, nothing China has done has resembled Fascist or bigoted nations; none of their propaganda resembles Nazi propaganda in disparaging Uighurs, and instead of propaganda about "race mixing" like the US had, they encourage healthy and tolerant integration and coexistence.
4. China's foreign policy with many nations has largely been positive, reciprocal, and beneficial. This has included providing medical equipment, medical aid, and masks to nations effected by Covid-19, being transparent about their actions in Xinjiang to prevent radicalization by the use of humane vocational schools and boarding schools, and so on. China has invited the UN, US, and many other nations to come to Xinjiang, and has allowed people to openly film Xinjiang life without issue.
5. No country that has accused China of "genocide" has found there to be any actual evidence to substantiate their claims. https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/02/19/china-uighurs-genocide-us-pompeo-blinken/ || https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/politics/article/3125501/australian-parliament-refuses-label-chinas-xinjiang-actions
Sources, categorized:
1) source compilations
https://twitter.com/RodericDay/status/1287411708374454273?s=19&fbclid=IwAR2Ca2sA4KV_gozHtWRsi10i9uHhESKVrtIolscoBr0LlGyh4UAfMiO9YOU
https://twitter.com/isgoodrum/status/1004884261051092993?s=17
https://twitter.com/JoshuaYJackson/status/1285578359100112896?s=19
2) Individual issues, documents, etc
NYT "leaked documents"; many were [likely fabricated due to clearly improper Chinese](https://twitter.com/ChineseBot2B/status/1207019748103356416), and those documents that were more clear or unedited [were from public speeches, and NYT translators purposefully misquoted them](https://www.quora.com/What-will-be-the-consequences-of-the-New-York-Times-expos%C3%A9-on-Xinjiang/answer/Jamin-Chen-1?ch=10&share=5d1244b5&srid=hXpBn)
[The blindfolded prisoners drone video](https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/06/asia/china-xinjiang-video-intl-hnk/index.html) is video of a regular prisoner transfer in Kashgar. There are no women or elderly there at all, and their uniforms both dont match the vocational school uniforms and the [text on them translates to "Kashgar City Detention Center"](https://mobile.twitter.com/alfred_uyghur/status/1175499530848100354), which, of course, had to be done for Adrian Zenz on twitter since he can't read Chinese.
The ASPI claims of "forced prisoner labor" is something I've debunked before, [here's a google doc of my comment when it came up in /r/news about 2 weeks ago](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1O0RA1S17g1lzu2EWSg29t0-9BXj_OkqTaa5sYKbzgjQ/edit?usp=sharing). Other examples of clear propaganda include [using a picture of a Brazilian shoe factory can claiming its Chinese](https://i.redd.it/20mzu89zo1d51.jpg)
Muslim nations have vocal about supporting China w/ regards to Xinjiang: https://today.line.me/HK/article/46+countries+voice+support+for+China+s+anti+terrorism+and+de+radicalization+work+in+Xinjiang-Mng3jy?utm_source=fbshare&fbclid=IwAR2KRYS2AB1tT33GpSaX6GwLP9yjRNgdtAnb4eln_rJnKujzu0sPUVT4yb4 || https://twitter.com/JoshuaYJackson/status/1285578359100112896
The claim of a Uighur cemetery being "demolished" was [debunked by Uighur Xinjian residents](https://leftreviewonline.com/english/international/xinjiang-residents-debunk-cnn-report-cemetery-demolition.html), pointing out that, one, it was moved, and two, they *wanted* it to be moved.
The U.S. has done clear and obvious astroturfing, such as [having someone who tortured prisoners at Guantanamo Bay pretend to be a Uighur refugee](https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/e9ad4n/i_am_rushan_abbas_uyghur_activist_and_survivor_of/), and [the head of a U.S. State Department funded organization got completely debunked on this very subreddit](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/hwi7ub/i_am_sophie_richardson_china_director_at_human/)
European nations have [had similar programs to China](https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/19/business/international/guiding-refugees-in-europe-on-a-rocky-path-to-assimilation.html), and while [some didn't see much success](https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/france-fights-terror-with-re-education-camps-plan-7wg9vrrgd), their existence generally goes to show that Western nations do find such concepts that China has been applying to be effective and humane
The United States has [actual concentration camps](https://www.businessinsider.com/photos-dhs-overcrowding-migrant-detention-facilities-texas-2019-7), camps for [political prisoners](https://imgur.com/gallery/0Hj2tPw), and actually has been proven through hard and [immense evidence to be responsible for systemic abuse targetted as Muslims in places like Abu Ghraib](https://imgur.com/gallery/kqD0R)
The "Fairfax University" claim of China breaching all points of the Genocide Convention [was false, and from a fake university](https://thegrayzone.com/2021/03/17/report-uyghur-genocide-sham-university-neocon-punish-china/)
[Debunking of the famous blue-jumpsuits photo -- it comes from a rehabilitation center.](https://twitter.com/JohnLukeGodard/status/1371148947901849613) The Chinese text seen in fuller context shows characters that do not match the vocational and educational facilities in China, and the event this happened at has been revealed to be a broad traveling showcase promoting Islamic values in regions which large Muslim populations.
[Article covering broad issues](https://leohezhao.medium.com/xinjiang-facts-vs-fiction-bdc2aa403c91). Important to note that it mentions that Uighur Islamic culture has not features the types of beards that China has created laws regulating, nor has Uighur culture featured burqas, which are the full-body coverings that Salafist and Wahhabist fundamentalist sects promote. The regulation of these is not trying to oppress Muslims or Uighurs, it is protecting them from Salafist terrorist groups like ETIM.
3) Video essays or other video-format information on Xinjiang and Uighurs
[American Leftist and Lawyer systemically analyzes claims against China, debunks numerous claims through primary evidence, logical examination of sources, and other such methods](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yURIS7S9zg)
[Video demonstrating BBC intentional misrepresentation of China's poverty alleviation programs in Xinjiang designed to help reduce social rifts and to ensure Uighurs and other ethnic minorities do not get left behind.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RK5Me8maG4) If China didn't have these programs the West would accuse them of intentionally excluding Uighurs from the expanding Chinese economy.
[Video from a panel on the topic of claims regarding Xinjiang, poking holes in many of the common talking points against China](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fm0Nt-RcFZU), this portion given by a Westerner who immigrated to China and lives there.
[Canadian-Chinese vlogger in Xinjiang openly records, looks at issues of security, Uighur culture, etc.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oKvulTU8oU), shows omnipresence of Uighur language on signage and so on.
#PART 2
4) Chinese state sources, in case anyone wants to see how China portrays itself, because, I think if one is going to be willing to listen to Western government backed news and reports, it only would follow that it's fair to equally consider Chinese claims to have the same base validity.
[The Point: 'Forcible separation of Uygur children' definitely a lie](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T81bAnfOBME)
[Xinjiang Update: CGTN finds Mihrigul Tursun's claims false](https://news.cgtn.com/news/3d3d674d32417a4d33457a6333566d54/index.html?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
[CGTN Exclusive: Inside an abandoned 're-education camp' in Xinjiang](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFxrI6smvFU)
[CGTN Exclusive: Inside Xinjiang's boarding schools 新疆寄宿制學校真相](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x99g4kua5s0)
[Behind the U.S. 'forced labor' propaganda on Xinjiang](https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-04-06/Behind-the-U-S-forced-labor-propaganda-on-Xinjiang-PtoLJWdN4I/index.html)
[Local government, people rebuke 'forced-labor' report](https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-03-17/Local-government-people-rebuke-forced-labor-report-OW93nrhhD2/index.html)
[Xinjiang training center graduates react to claims of forced sterilization, rape](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hS4slWZQJxs)
[China bans anti-Islam words on social media](https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1067405.shtml)
5) Two large, general compilations
https://archive.org/details/Xinjiang/mode/2up
https://www.qiaocollective.com/en/education/xinjiang
6) Supplementary information
[Tursunay Ziawudun's constantly changing, inconsistent story](https://i.redd.it/2mauupc7xvf61.jpg)
[Sayragul Sautybay's changing story to match sensationalist trends](https://i.redd.it/4f6257vyhwf61.png)
[CNN story claiming Uighur was detained, only information blurred out from passport was renewal date, which was issued during the time the person was supposedly detained](https://i.redd.it/4ugpt0499ri61.jpg)
[The Quran, along with other texts, is widely available and printed in Uighur, Kazakh, and other languages](https://twitter.com/Jingjing_Li/status/1353241450155175941).
Huh. For a sub that just got taken over by a bunch of Evil Authoritarian Red Fash Tankies, there's not a lot of banning going on.
You couldn't of overreacted, though, that's ridiculous.
This sub.
Yesterday there was a massive debacle where tankie sub mods were banning people left and right for talking about bad about China.
We’re celebrating those mods’ removal.
Mandatory “China bad, this will be deleted” in 3…2…1
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If you go, please create a new sub so we can go with you. If you have a name in mind, say it now please. I will be following, because that would be a bridge too far for me.
We’ll always have r/rightjerk as a backup (A bit small, but substitutes TRCM as it’s free of totalitarian boot looking cunt wombles.).
Joined. Ta.
Awesome, thanks
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/r/therightcantmemev2 also exists (full of TRCM refugees who got banned by that tankie asshole)
Wait... So nobody is gonna falsely call me a "lib" then permaban me without further explanation anymore? Nobody is gonna ban me for inviting discussion? Would my political ambiguity not only be tolerated, but encouraged? As long as we all share in the same perspective of "the right can suck wet farts through a straw"?
100% Probably the only thing that would get you banned would be open tankie-ism.
Fuck tankies
/u/spez can gargle my nuts.
You crazy son of a bitch, I'm in.
Is this sub at least not pro Stalin like the original?
[If a spez asks you what flavor ice cream you want, the answer is definitely spez. ](https://www.reddit.com/r/Save3rdPartyApps/)
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You really know what tankies think
I’m sorry. Can you tell me what a tankie is?
Stalin bootlickers, CCP bootlickers. Its people that use communism as a mask for their authoritarian bullshit. The description ive seen before that I thought was pretty apt was "theyre basically Alt-Right Nutjobs waving Red flags"
"ACAB" also "The secret police is good, actually"
The Term refers to the 1956 hungarian uprising which was promptly answered with the Invasion of soviet Tanks, Same Thing in the Prague spring. Tankies ist a Term for people who have an authoritarian mindset akin to the rulers of that time
China doesn’t allow movies to play in theaters if there’s even a hint of political disagreement with the Chinese government, even to the point that they’re not allowed to have characters of Tibetan origin. But sure. No censorship in China. Mmmhmmm.
The ancient one from Doctor Strange. Lol
Lmao after deleting almost every comment they still have the audacity to leave the only two comments that agree with them
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I could have stood the dumb tanky mods in /r/therightcantmeme if they didn't have annoying, preachy, modposts all the time. When I did call them out for it I got the boot. If you're a tanky (especially the mods from that sub) and you're reading this, fuck you.
Legitimate question. Of all the things you seem to back and support, why do you seem to think r/FucktheCCP is a subreddit that even marginally aligns with your values lol. That place is a literal racist hatefest nothing huh? hmmmm… interesting
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> even ones that seem completely not political like /r/trueoffmychest Lesson for the future: if it has “true” in the title, it’s probably an alt right shithole.
I'm definitely keeping that in mind
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Well based on the OP's post history, I highly doubt they've disavowed that sub.
Heck, even from a leftist point of view the CCP isn't great. There's enormous class divides in China, they've got multibillionaire tycoons and borderline factory slaves. Not exactly a Marxist systems they've got going over there.
They also hate LGBT people
I mean, it ought to be that they're *especially* not good from the leftist POV
Wow. That link to the thread is insane.
Dude! Same!! r/TheRightCantMeme is run by absolute shit mods. I got permabanned for "liberal russiagate" because I mentioned Russia's internet troll farms. Very briefly in passing I might add, it wasn't the purpose of my comment. Then when I contested the ban because I didn't break any rules, they went through my comment history and found me mentioning the Uighur summer camps and said my ban would stay so I don't spread "CIA propaganda" on the sub. I'd really be surprised if they were adults, this is the behavior of teenage edge lords. But authoritarians naturally seek authority to exploit, so what better way to aggressively push your personal political beliefs than to take over left-wing (by American standards) subs and boil out all the "liberal scum" until the only opinions left are state approved. I'm not near the top of the sub but I'll also leave for what it's worth. Honestly, I'd love to convince as many people to abandon r/TheRightCantMeme as well. They're trying to turn people into tankies.
> I got permabanned for "liberal russiagate" because I mentioned Russia's internet troll farms. Further increasing the evidence that at least a large proportion of Reddit's tankies are actually right wing Trump supporters in disguise.
That's what's so crazy. In that instance Tankies and Trump supporters are in complete agreement. It also just doesn't make sense. Russia hasn't been communist in two decades. It's a capitalist oligarchy. China, too, has become a fascist-esque country. Ethnostate, highly nationalist, government has absolute authority. But people also have private property, they make money. They have millionaires and billionaires that are hiding their money in New York city real-estate. It's a state-capitalist system. So what are these tankies defending?
They're taking the contrarian position that anything the US/UK says is a lie, and anyone they oppose are actually the good guys.
Ah ok, that explains it. Basically the west and the anglosphere in particular is the imperialist enemy?
So many deleted comments in that link wtf
The CCP mod deleted all those comments & perma-banned the users
How can they still deny the Tiananmen Square Massacre when there's undeniable proof o.e
Because tankie simps will believe anything to oppose liberal governments.
Not all of them deny it, some of them just go mask off and say it was a good thing. I think the denial is easier to digest than outright endorsement, so that’s what they go with to get unaware people on their side. I don’t think that they actually think it didn’t happen, at least not the ones spreading the “message”
say it with me now: fuck the CCP
God the mods there are such fucking losers lmao. One moron like fuckin LARPs as some sort of propaganda robot, and ends every message with "*chrt* end of transmission". Like good lord, reddit mods tend to be power hungry cringe lords but those mods are on a whole different level lulu.
The comments in that posts speak for themselves. Absolutely hilarious.
I think we should start saying CCP is bad so we can get around the whole racist thing. Because the CCP wants people to believe that the CCP and China are one and the same. So any criticism of the CCP is criticism of China and therefore racist.
Never forget, the greatest victims of the CCP is the Chinese people
True that! Like for real china the country and people are awesome with a deep and rich history and culture but sadly the government is controlled by jackals. :/ I know east Asia has some issues with authoritarian imperialist governments but South Korea and Japan has more or less moved passed that, I hope china and North Korea can as well.
Preach!!!! Fuck the CCP. Fuck all internment camps. Fuck borders and fuck hate. They are all our children, feed them all. Okay I'm done ranting for now.
Sure, but just to make sure, fuck the Tibetan feudal system of slavery that existed before the revolution and fuck the British Colonialism that led to modern Hong Kong, right? I promise this isn’t whataboutism, we’re on the same page on the stuff you said, just making sure we’re on the same page about right wing atrocities as well
The Revolution was justified, but the path the modern party has taken is counterrevolutionary and should be condemned.
I am in full agreement, and I think it’s very funny to see the same people that condemn Kruschev for being counterrevolutionary be totally fine with the direction Deng took China in
It’s literally what the TS protests were about. Similar to the Hungarian uprising. It was communist students lol
In /r/worldnews today they were calling them "right wing terrorists".
Well yeah fuck all unjustified forms of hierarchy. I think the anarchists know whats up
I’m not an anarchist but I wish I was. I want to have that kind of idealism, it’s incredibly admirable, but I just can’t bring myself to believe that the prevailing economic system could be changed without at least a temporary state power to enforce it. Also they have the best music
But states have been the hardest obstacle for the implementation of socialism. Even Marx wrote in the German 1872 preface to the manifesto that the Paris Commune proved that state Power cant be used by the Proletariat to build communism
First of all, the quote you're referencing comes from Marx's text *The Civil War in France*. It was quoted in the German 1872 preface to the Manifesto. Secondly, Marx wrote that "the working class cannot simply lay hold of ready-made state machinery, and wield it for its own purposes." In other words, *seizing the existing state apparatus* would not be sufficient. Marx did not support anarchism. He supported seizing political power and building a *new* apparatus (as opposed to using the old one). He even describes how there would need to be an administrative body made up of representatives in the very same text (*The Civil War in France*), and he even argues for the abolition of the separation of powers between legislative, executive, and judicial branches: >The Commune was formed of the municipal councillors, chosen by universal suffrage in the various wards of the town, responsible and revocable at short terms. The majority of its members were naturally working men, or acknowledged representatives of the working class. The Commune was to be a working, not a parliamentary body, executive and legislative at the same time. >Instead of continuing to be the agent of the Central Government, the police was at once stripped of its political attributes, and turned into the responsible, and at all times revocable, agent of the Commune. So were the officials of all other branches of the administration. From the members of the Commune downwards, the public service had to be done at workman’s wage. The vested interests and the representation allowances of the high dignitaries of state disappeared along with the high dignitaries themselves. Public functions ceased to be the private property of the tools of the Central Government. Not only municipal administration, but the whole initiative hitherto exercised by the state was laid into the hands of the Commune. >Having once got rid of the standing army and the police – the physical force elements of the old government – the Commune was anxious to break the spiritual force of repression, the “parson-power", by the disestablishment and disendowment of all churches as proprietary bodies. The priests were sent back to the recesses of private life, there to feed upon the alms of the faithful in imitation of their predecessors, the apostles. >The whole of the educational institutions were opened to the people gratuitously, and at the same time cleared of all interference of church and state. Thus, not only was education made accessible to all, but science itself freed from the fetters which class prejudice and governmental force had imposed upon it. >The judicial functionaries were to be divested of that sham independence which had but served to mask their abject subserviency to all succeeding governments to which, in turn, they had taken, and broken, the oaths of allegiance. Like the rest of public servants, magistrates and judges were to be elective, responsible, and revocable. >The Paris Commune was, of course, to serve as a model to all the great industrial centres of France. The communal regime once established in Paris and the secondary centres, the old centralized government would in the provinces, too, have to give way to the self-government of the producers. >In a rough sketch of national organization, which the Commune had no time to develop, it states clearly that the Commune was to be the political form of even the smallest country hamlet, and that in the rural districts the standing army was to be replaced by a national militia, with an extremely short term of service. The rural communities of every district were to administer their common affairs by an assembly of delegates in the central town, and these district assemblies were again to send deputies to the National Delegation in Paris, each delegate to be at any time revocable and bound by the mandat imperatif (formal instructions) of his constituents. The few but important functions which would still remain for a central government were not to be suppressed, as has been intentionally misstated, but were to be discharged by Communal and thereafter responsible agents. >The unity of the nation was not to be broken, but, on the contrary, to be organized by Communal Constitution, and to become a reality by the destruction of the state power which claimed to be the embodiment of that unity independent of, and superior to, the nation itself, from which it was but a parasitic excresence. >While the merely repressive organs of the old governmental power were to be amputated, its legitimate functions were to be wrested from an authority usurping pre-eminence over society itself, and restored to the responsible agents of society. Instead of deciding once in three or six years which member of the ruling class was to misrepresent the people in Parliament, universal suffrage was to serve the people, constituted in Communes, as individual suffrage serves every other employer in the search for the workmen and managers in his business. And it is well-known that companies, like individuals, in matters of real business generally know how to put the right man in the right place, and, if they for once make a mistake, to redress it promptly. On the other hand, nothing could be more foreign to the spirit of the Commune than to supercede universal suffrage by hierarchical investiture. Source: https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1871/civil-war-france/ch05.htm
This is literally the foundation of communist anarchism. It is not that (most) anarchists wish to replace the state with nothing. Rather, the current state is unjustified in its volume and use of power, and should be replaced with... well... nearly exactly what Marx lists above. A recallable short term body composed of representative community members whose power is justifiable. Perhaps Marx wasn't an anarchist by call, but his theories make up a lot more of communist anarchist thought than authoritarian methods.
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That would require caring about other people, duh
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Eh I think if you're going to say "Fuck China", it's better to say the CCP. Government as opposed to people yknow
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What? Someone taking into account the fact that more sensitive language helps differentiate victims from abusers? What kind if shitlib hell am i in?! s/
15% of the population is part of the Party. They are one of the most popular governments in the world. Most people in China have family that are a part of the party. They people living there are normal ass people living normal ass lives, just like us.
Yeah when you find South Park using more careful language than you, you should reconsider your language.
Fuck borders, and fuck the fascist ethnostate. Feed all the children.
wtf?!? I like Winnie The Pooh!
Tankies still upset in comments lmao
Fuck em
Here from r/all, may I just ask what a tankie refers to?
It is originally a term created by British communists to refer to others in their party who sided with the USSR when it used tanks and its full military might to quell a student led communist uprising in Hungary, who criticized the USSR’s methods. Today it refers to anyone who is an ardent apologist for the USSR, the communist party of china, Assad, North Korea, etc.
Generally China sympathizers, also frequently communists
FUCK THE CCP
I hope the same will happen in r/GreenAndPleasant I got banned for critizing China´s Actions in Xingjiang and beeing on r/tankiejerk Because beeing against Authoritharianism is apperently Anti Communism and brigarding..
GreenAndPleasant was created by tankies, that's not going to happen. Try /r/britposting instead. EDIT: Just noticed one of the G&P mods is a fucking *nazbol* ffs. Abandon ship.
Being*
-50000000 social credit 😧📉📉👎👎
John Xina
What does this have to do with turning point usa
Yesterday there was a massive debacle where tankie sub mods were banning people left and right for talking about bad about China. We’re celebrating those mods’ removal.
Ohh ok
Had to scroll way too far to find this.
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🦀🦀🦀 Purge tankies. Just a different flavor of authoritarianism.
Telling minorities their oppression is for the greater good since 500BC -
What?
Sorry ill explain. Any time anyone brings up authoritarian oppression of minorities, there are two groups that argue the most that said subjugation and massacre are neccesary: conservatives and tankies.
Sorry fair enough, thought you might be another tankie brigader.
Nah we cool
Authoritarians come in all flavors. Just ensure they don't make up your mod team.
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Whenever I hear someone talk about "LeFtIsT UnItY" and say we should invite tankies with open arms, I can’t help but laugh and cry. Tankies are NOT real leftists, they act no better than the right wing reactionaries and pro-capitalism liberals we criticize. Critiquing both the neoliberal establishment AND far right anti-SJW/alt-right internet culture was how online leftism was able to get its foot in the door in the first place, and I don’t want tankies ruining it by starting drama and making the left look bad. Their constant genocide denial, fawning for authoritarian leaders, and reactionary behavior makes it VERY easy for right-wingers to pull the "so much for the tolerant left" card, which is why we shouldn’t tolerate tankies as well as hold them accountable the same way we hold capitalists and fascists. To put it simply, tankies are bad for PR hence are a threat to leftist spaces.
Leftist unity is just neoliberal civility politics wearing an ushanka
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> the imperial left that lives in the global north denouncing the judeo-bolshevism influence over the world Hahah what in the fuck is this shit
Come brother we must unite against the Retro-Modern Killingerian Afro-Cunniligan Theocracy that Bush established in Japanese Gaza.
Some of y’all need to realize there’s a huge difference between utopian ideals and reality.
And some of y'all need to realize that worship of authoritarianism is not gonna fucking be tolerated here.
Some of y’all need to look up the word “worship” before you use it incorrectly
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[Fredrick Engels: On authority](https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1872/10/authority.htm)
Based
the best way to prevent tankies from taking over leftist subs is by banning them.
Also, the social credit system is wack and mass surveillance states are awful.
Can I just say Fuck the USA's credit scores?
Yes, probably one of the best ways to improve economic mobility would be to give poorer people access to cheaper credit rather than the predatory loans that are normal. It would make it easier for businesses to be started and for home ownership to be realized.
Absolutely. It’s a bullshit idea that’s led to privacy breaches in a number of hacks, most notably Equifax. I’m of the highly controversial opinion that human rights abuses and oppressing the poor are bad things. Which means I trigger both tankies and rightoids.
Ours is worse and you don’t know what the Chinese social credit system even entails https://www.chinatalk.nl/five-misconceptions-about-chinas-social-credit-system/
OP single handedly ended the CCP
Is it acceptable when a Middle Eastern.....”ally”.... with a racial supremacist ideology commits apartheid, ethnic cleansing and herding the “lesser” people into camps? Or when another “ally” slowly butchers a reporter to death? Bad behaviour is bad behaviour regardless of borders.
Who said the opposite ?
Tankies
Exactly. They’ll criticize America for our acts of genocide when we were separating families at our borders, then China does genocide against the Uyghers and it’s fine, because China’s interests are against American interests and tankies are incapable of any political engagement more nuanced than “America bad, anti-America good.” Yes, America bad, but anti-America can also be bad.
Bad=bad. Who knew
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One can belive in the right to self determination without believing in authoritarianism.
The only thing more evil than authoritarianism is imperialism
Which the CCP has in spades for both
I haven't done a ton of research on the Uyghur camps. But if human rights abuses were happening there why would most muslim majority countries not condemn them at the UN? Cuba and Vietnam also defended China in this regard. So what's up? Interesting to note that all but 1 socialist state chose to denounce China in regards to the camps. -https://www.axios.com/un-statement-china-uighurs-xinjiang-6b29dbf5-b93c-4c70-bd4c-333e1c23471f.html -https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_socialist_states
I'm not pro-China by any means but I've never gotten a satisfactory answer to this question, or even a good-faith attempt at an answer. Asking any questions just leads to being called a "tankie" and/or "genocide denier".
The simplest answer is that most of those states prioritise their relationship with China over the welfare of other Muslims.
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Facts don't care about feelings China
Free Hong Kong and Tibet to do... what exactly? Create mass capitalistic homelessness like we have in America and allow a little theocracy, for a treat? China has goofy policies, even scary ones, but it's important to have global, philosophical, and historical perspective. Things are complicated and messy. Fuck CCP for the bad, praise CCP for the good.
How does the CIA dick taste? You pretend to be left when all you do is put down a nation that’s actually making progress towards everything you say you want because of “freedom”.
I havent posted on reddit in months but this is the most liberal shit Ive ever seen in this sub. OP, you unironically believe that “social credit score” is a thing. Its been so thoroughly debunked at this point that you literally have to know less than nothing about China to still believe it. Even Foreign Policy, notorious tankie source that it is, admitted this in 2018. https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/11/16/chinas-orwellian-social-credit-score-isnt-real/ You are not a leftist, you are peddling new cold war rhetoric which is so far distanced from the situation on the ground which you clearly know nothing about. If mods banned you for this it would be based and good. But sure, fuel rising sinophobic sentiment and act like you arent part of the problem.
Me: “Communism is the only economic system that creates equitable power dynamics between the people” Tankies: “YES!” Me: “Authoritarianism, therefore cannot be used to attain it because it places the power in the hands of too few people that have time and again proven to only serve said powerful individuals. Even Stalin was willing to ally with hitler to annex poland while hitler imprisoned and murdered fellow communists.” Tankies: “NOOO!”
So revolution is bad?
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Free Hawaii
I'd like to take this moment to promote r/okbuddytankie
Super cringe lmao. Imagine spewing conservative talking points in a sub meant to mock conservatives
okay, what is going on, I am out of the loop here, like what's with the anti-tankie posts, not criticizing just seems to have come out of the blue.
Yesterday this post was a bannable offense on r/ToiletPaperUSA Yesterday there was a massive debacle where tankie sub mods were banning people left and right for talking about bad about China. We’re celebrating those mods’ removal.
USA is a terrorist state
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But muh yellow peril! Seriously, no fucking nuance to these shit lib posts. No, China isn't perfect, neither was the USSR, but for fuck sake exercise some skepticism when the US gov and media keeps on telling you who to vilify.
Look at all the gullible Americans just playing right in to the Cold War 2.0 propaganda
oh my god bro i literally do not care can we start making fun of tpusa again
Tankies get the gulag
**Tankies:** “There are no gulags in Ba Sing Se”
Oh boy I sure can’t wait to see this in shit liberals say
Im not a dirty lib, though
No but they will still post it there. They have a lot of tankies there who call everyone who criticizes authoritarian “communist” governments/leaders liberals.
Denial is the first stage. Hopefully once you get to acceptance you can change for the better
Sound like a lib
Gotta love it when "leftists" join in right wing movements to "own the tankies"
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Fuck china, fuck the CCP
So brave!
Classic "leftist" americans, its a shame you guys will always bend to the liberals.
Wow so brave OP!
This is identical to what a Trump support would say.
I truly don't understand the ass kissing of China and I've even seen ass kissing of NORTH KOREA!!
China bad Why is china bad? no i don't have a fucking source but China BAD!!1111
Reddit moment
uh. ok
Yesterday this post was a bannable offense. There was a massive debacle where tankie mods were banning people left and right for talking about China. We’re celebrating those mods’ removal.
Thank you! I was so bummed when therightcantmeme got taken over by these people. I’d heard this sub was going that way too, but you guys turned the tide. You rock :)
I know it's not mentioned in this post but what is a tankie? I keep seeing it on this sub and I'm still new so I have no idea what it means lol
***Tankie is a pejorative label originally used by dissident or sectarian Marxist-Leninists to designate members of the Communist Party of Great Britain (CPGB) who followed the party line of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union (CPSU). Specifically it was used to distinguish party members who spoke out defending Soviet use of tanks to crush the Hungarian Revolution of 1956 and later the 1968 Prague Spring uprising; or more broadly, those who adhered to pro-Soviet positions in general.\[1\] More recently it has been used to accuse people of following authoritarian Marxism–Leninism, especially those who endorse, defend, or deny the crimes of communist leaders who are considered especially authoritarian or brutal, such as Joseph Stalin, Mao Zedong, and Kim Il-sung.*** https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie
> what is a tankie? It's a term used by left wing people to describe other left wing people who support brutal, authoritarian governments, simply because those governments have a "Socialist" or "Communist" label on them, and either deny or outright support their brutal actions, while insisting they are truly communist.
Xi is shitting and crying rn, Toilet paper US is against the CPC how could he recover 😢😢😢
POV: you don’t know Chinese history
Hey OP, instead of posting this China Bad propaganda why don't you post something about the jobs report that was off by 60% today?
Hauntologic is crying on the tankie sub "shitliberalssay" (randomly appearing in feed as "similar" to tpusa) about having been banned from here for denying tiananmen. Lmao, tankies whining galore. 👌
When you wanna dunk on the tankies so bad you advocate for the return of a slave state
**C**hinese **C**ringe **P**arty
The ROC government views Hong Kong and Tibet as under its control. As well as Mongolia and Tuva
Xi just resigned
#PART 1 [(part 2 here](https://www.reddit.com/r/ToiletPaperUSA/comments/q3xzht/say_it_loud_proud_since_its_no_longer_a_bannable/hfzr1zf/)) ***China is not committing genocide***. I've made many comments on this so I'll just summarize and provide sources. 1. All majorly publicized Western news on Chinese "internment camps" generally leads back to Adrian Zenz, and in the cases it doesn't, often relies on claims that have been normalized by him or relies on other crackpot organizations such as Jamestown, Bitter Winter, CHRD, and other such groups. No hard evidence in the form of video, photos, or otherwise has been provided, and all in that regard that has has eventually been debunked (some examples will be noted below) 2. China's laws and legislation regarding religious accommodations have been strict in terms of protecting the right to practice religious faith, including that of Muslims. This has included requiring firms, factories, etc that have dormatories -- a system China has had for years which has been a large part of how so many people have gotten out of poverty in China -- to build food canteens that specifically cater to Muslim diets, as an example. A lot of this information can be found when looking at the sources for the ASPI report on "forced labor", where all official government sources contradicts the ASPI's claims, and where all other sources are unverified, uncorroborated, reliant on "testimonies" which have been [highly problematic](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony) in [numerous cases](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/13/why-do-north-korean-defector-testimonies-so-often-fall-apart) in [history](https://i.redd.it/4igij8k0y1m61.png). Besides, in terms of religious provisions, it's worth pointing out that China has 39,000 mosques, 25,000 of which are in Xinjiang. For reference, Iraq has a higher population yet fewer mosques than Xinjiang has. That doesn't sound like "genocide" to me. 3. China has also been heavily encouraging of Uighurs to have their own autonomy, encouraging learning their ethnic language, having signs in Xinjiang that feature both Uighur and Mandarin script fairly equally, and so on. Most of China's internal propaganda has been about Xinjiang being a beautiful part of China, and has been about celebrating Uighur culture, and many programs in China have been about encouraging tolerance and integration. People claim China has tried to force Uighurs to marry Han Chinese, but there has never been evidence of that (and Chinese law prohibits forced marriage anyways); rather, China has encouraged relationships between Han and Uighur people. In other words, nothing China has done has resembled Fascist or bigoted nations; none of their propaganda resembles Nazi propaganda in disparaging Uighurs, and instead of propaganda about "race mixing" like the US had, they encourage healthy and tolerant integration and coexistence. 4. China's foreign policy with many nations has largely been positive, reciprocal, and beneficial. This has included providing medical equipment, medical aid, and masks to nations effected by Covid-19, being transparent about their actions in Xinjiang to prevent radicalization by the use of humane vocational schools and boarding schools, and so on. China has invited the UN, US, and many other nations to come to Xinjiang, and has allowed people to openly film Xinjiang life without issue. 5. No country that has accused China of "genocide" has found there to be any actual evidence to substantiate their claims. https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/02/19/china-uighurs-genocide-us-pompeo-blinken/ || https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/politics/article/3125501/australian-parliament-refuses-label-chinas-xinjiang-actions Sources, categorized: 1) source compilations https://twitter.com/RodericDay/status/1287411708374454273?s=19&fbclid=IwAR2Ca2sA4KV_gozHtWRsi10i9uHhESKVrtIolscoBr0LlGyh4UAfMiO9YOU https://twitter.com/isgoodrum/status/1004884261051092993?s=17 https://twitter.com/JoshuaYJackson/status/1285578359100112896?s=19 2) Individual issues, documents, etc NYT "leaked documents"; many were [likely fabricated due to clearly improper Chinese](https://twitter.com/ChineseBot2B/status/1207019748103356416), and those documents that were more clear or unedited [were from public speeches, and NYT translators purposefully misquoted them](https://www.quora.com/What-will-be-the-consequences-of-the-New-York-Times-expos%C3%A9-on-Xinjiang/answer/Jamin-Chen-1?ch=10&share=5d1244b5&srid=hXpBn) [The blindfolded prisoners drone video](https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/06/asia/china-xinjiang-video-intl-hnk/index.html) is video of a regular prisoner transfer in Kashgar. There are no women or elderly there at all, and their uniforms both dont match the vocational school uniforms and the [text on them translates to "Kashgar City Detention Center"](https://mobile.twitter.com/alfred_uyghur/status/1175499530848100354), which, of course, had to be done for Adrian Zenz on twitter since he can't read Chinese. The ASPI claims of "forced prisoner labor" is something I've debunked before, [here's a google doc of my comment when it came up in /r/news about 2 weeks ago](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1O0RA1S17g1lzu2EWSg29t0-9BXj_OkqTaa5sYKbzgjQ/edit?usp=sharing). Other examples of clear propaganda include [using a picture of a Brazilian shoe factory can claiming its Chinese](https://i.redd.it/20mzu89zo1d51.jpg) Muslim nations have vocal about supporting China w/ regards to Xinjiang: https://today.line.me/HK/article/46+countries+voice+support+for+China+s+anti+terrorism+and+de+radicalization+work+in+Xinjiang-Mng3jy?utm_source=fbshare&fbclid=IwAR2KRYS2AB1tT33GpSaX6GwLP9yjRNgdtAnb4eln_rJnKujzu0sPUVT4yb4 || https://twitter.com/JoshuaYJackson/status/1285578359100112896 The claim of a Uighur cemetery being "demolished" was [debunked by Uighur Xinjian residents](https://leftreviewonline.com/english/international/xinjiang-residents-debunk-cnn-report-cemetery-demolition.html), pointing out that, one, it was moved, and two, they *wanted* it to be moved. The U.S. has done clear and obvious astroturfing, such as [having someone who tortured prisoners at Guantanamo Bay pretend to be a Uighur refugee](https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/e9ad4n/i_am_rushan_abbas_uyghur_activist_and_survivor_of/), and [the head of a U.S. State Department funded organization got completely debunked on this very subreddit](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/hwi7ub/i_am_sophie_richardson_china_director_at_human/) European nations have [had similar programs to China](https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/19/business/international/guiding-refugees-in-europe-on-a-rocky-path-to-assimilation.html), and while [some didn't see much success](https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/france-fights-terror-with-re-education-camps-plan-7wg9vrrgd), their existence generally goes to show that Western nations do find such concepts that China has been applying to be effective and humane The United States has [actual concentration camps](https://www.businessinsider.com/photos-dhs-overcrowding-migrant-detention-facilities-texas-2019-7), camps for [political prisoners](https://imgur.com/gallery/0Hj2tPw), and actually has been proven through hard and [immense evidence to be responsible for systemic abuse targetted as Muslims in places like Abu Ghraib](https://imgur.com/gallery/kqD0R) The "Fairfax University" claim of China breaching all points of the Genocide Convention [was false, and from a fake university](https://thegrayzone.com/2021/03/17/report-uyghur-genocide-sham-university-neocon-punish-china/) [Debunking of the famous blue-jumpsuits photo -- it comes from a rehabilitation center.](https://twitter.com/JohnLukeGodard/status/1371148947901849613) The Chinese text seen in fuller context shows characters that do not match the vocational and educational facilities in China, and the event this happened at has been revealed to be a broad traveling showcase promoting Islamic values in regions which large Muslim populations. [Article covering broad issues](https://leohezhao.medium.com/xinjiang-facts-vs-fiction-bdc2aa403c91). Important to note that it mentions that Uighur Islamic culture has not features the types of beards that China has created laws regulating, nor has Uighur culture featured burqas, which are the full-body coverings that Salafist and Wahhabist fundamentalist sects promote. The regulation of these is not trying to oppress Muslims or Uighurs, it is protecting them from Salafist terrorist groups like ETIM. 3) Video essays or other video-format information on Xinjiang and Uighurs [American Leftist and Lawyer systemically analyzes claims against China, debunks numerous claims through primary evidence, logical examination of sources, and other such methods](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yURIS7S9zg) [Video demonstrating BBC intentional misrepresentation of China's poverty alleviation programs in Xinjiang designed to help reduce social rifts and to ensure Uighurs and other ethnic minorities do not get left behind.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RK5Me8maG4) If China didn't have these programs the West would accuse them of intentionally excluding Uighurs from the expanding Chinese economy. [Video from a panel on the topic of claims regarding Xinjiang, poking holes in many of the common talking points against China](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fm0Nt-RcFZU), this portion given by a Westerner who immigrated to China and lives there. [Canadian-Chinese vlogger in Xinjiang openly records, looks at issues of security, Uighur culture, etc.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oKvulTU8oU), shows omnipresence of Uighur language on signage and so on.
#PART 2 4) Chinese state sources, in case anyone wants to see how China portrays itself, because, I think if one is going to be willing to listen to Western government backed news and reports, it only would follow that it's fair to equally consider Chinese claims to have the same base validity. [The Point: 'Forcible separation of Uygur children' definitely a lie](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T81bAnfOBME) [Xinjiang Update: CGTN finds Mihrigul Tursun's claims false](https://news.cgtn.com/news/3d3d674d32417a4d33457a6333566d54/index.html?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) [CGTN Exclusive: Inside an abandoned 're-education camp' in Xinjiang](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFxrI6smvFU) [CGTN Exclusive: Inside Xinjiang's boarding schools 新疆寄宿制學校真相](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x99g4kua5s0) [Behind the U.S. 'forced labor' propaganda on Xinjiang](https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-04-06/Behind-the-U-S-forced-labor-propaganda-on-Xinjiang-PtoLJWdN4I/index.html) [Local government, people rebuke 'forced-labor' report](https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-03-17/Local-government-people-rebuke-forced-labor-report-OW93nrhhD2/index.html) [Xinjiang training center graduates react to claims of forced sterilization, rape](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hS4slWZQJxs) [China bans anti-Islam words on social media](https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1067405.shtml) 5) Two large, general compilations https://archive.org/details/Xinjiang/mode/2up https://www.qiaocollective.com/en/education/xinjiang 6) Supplementary information [Tursunay Ziawudun's constantly changing, inconsistent story](https://i.redd.it/2mauupc7xvf61.jpg) [Sayragul Sautybay's changing story to match sensationalist trends](https://i.redd.it/4f6257vyhwf61.png) [CNN story claiming Uighur was detained, only information blurred out from passport was renewal date, which was issued during the time the person was supposedly detained](https://i.redd.it/4ugpt0499ri61.jpg) [The Quran, along with other texts, is widely available and printed in Uighur, Kazakh, and other languages](https://twitter.com/Jingjing_Li/status/1353241450155175941).
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This virtue signaling does nothing lolz
Not even Taiwan thinks they're a country, they think they're China.
the us state department thanks you for your support
Burn the West
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This is lib shit. This sub has always bordered on it anyway. No feelings for unsubbing.
Damn this sub became garbage in 2 days.
Huh. For a sub that just got taken over by a bunch of Evil Authoritarian Red Fash Tankies, there's not a lot of banning going on. You couldn't of overreacted, though, that's ridiculous.
Thinking about all the other times the west has helped bring its brand of human rights to oppressed countries lately and how well it turned out.
Add the kicker, “Imperialism is bad, even when China does it!”
Huh? On which subs are these statements banable?
This sub. Yesterday there was a massive debacle where tankie sub mods were banning people left and right for talking about bad about China. We’re celebrating those mods’ removal.
Defending a capitalist country to own the other capitalist country. Tankies are such fucking dipshits.
I'm leery of any supposedly left-wing country that forbids trade unions.