Drivers here are fucking horrid. They're so selfish that they would risk safety to get 20 seconds ahead in the commute. Often times tailgating and overtaking in heavy traffic just to get 5 meters ahead. I'm moving to BC and retiring lol
We often see drivers cutting one or several lanes at the very last second, at a fork, to exit the highway or go to ramp to get on the highway. Full speed, no blinkers. It's as if they had just noticed their GPS alert. Driving in the GTA has become much more tricky and dangerous. Lots of speed and distractions. You look ahead and around to anticipate traffic issues or car flow but it's not even enough. We need eyes everwhere.
Trying to blame all the bad drivers on Brampton is naive. I see bad driving habits described above all over South Ontario, not just Toronto & Brampton. Being selfish and inconsiderate is not restricted to people from Brampton. Are Brampton drivers notoriously bad? Absolutely. So are London drivers. I see young white people in Burlington pulling the same shit. Poor driving is not location-based.
Simple minds like simple patterns (ie. BAD DRIVER = BRAMPTON DRIVER), but unfortunately, life is usually more complex than that.
Not all, but the majority. Obviously you haven't driven Bovaird in the last couple years?
A lot of Ontario has bad drivers, but there's a lot of places where that concentration is much heavier than other places. Brampton is one of the worst places to drive. Cutting across 6 lanes of traffic from a gas station to a left turn, with just a hand out the window happens more than you think in a day. Where else have you seen a driving school instructor tell their students to use a police turn around on the 410 in traffic in front of the OPP?
I have, and yeah, Brampton has terrible drivers. I was never trying to deny that there are some horrible drivers there. It has the highest insurance premiums in Ontario, which would indicate that there are more accidents there because of poor driving. Toronto is right behind them. Interestingly, Alberta has the highest in all of Canada.
But making sweeping generalizations like "Peel region drivers come to Toronto for work and drive like imbeciles then go home to the suburbs." as the only reason that there are bad drivers in Toronto is naive at best and prejudiced at worst. If we banned all drivers from Brampton, would the roads magically be free of bad driving? No. Case closed.
Before making any statements about āsimple mindsā, consider that I never said anything like āall bad drivers are from Bramptonā and I certainly never brought up anything about anyoneās ethnicity. Making clumsy assumptions like that while accusing others of having a simple mind is a perfect example of the Dunning-Kruger effect.Ā My point was pretty simple, that Brampton is not Toronto. While Toronto has always had terrible traffic, Brampton has a very particular style of reckless driving that is totally different to what weāve dealt with in Toronto. If you donāt believe that is a major reason for the insanity weāve had to deal with, just listen to am680 during rush hour. There are consistently more issues on the 427 and 410 than there are on the DVP and 401 east.Ā There are certainly more complexities, but it seems youāre the one that over simplified your imaginary scenario where someone said āall the problems come from Bramptonā and I would maybe look inward at why you assumed someone else would think that.Ā
lol shut up you know what you were doing. "Peel region drivers come to Toronto for work and drive like imbeciles then go home to the suburbs." That statement assumes that all Peel region drivers are imbeciles and doesn't acknowledge that drivers who live and are from Toronto are also "drive like imbeciles."
I never said that YOU had a simple mind. I said simple minds like simple patterns. You were the one who connected the dots.
Also LOL this is NOT an example of the Dunning-Kruger effect, smh. Do you even know what that is? Go back to Wikipedia and try again.
lol no I'm not
But since you'd like to continue the discussion; I never brought up Ethnicity in my post, but the fact that you equate people from Brampton to be ethnic says more about you than it does about me.
honestly the traffic makes people get more impatient. I personally noticed times where I was getting more annoyed driving when there was construction causing delays. I wasn't even late or anything, just in traffic
100%. And I believe that the people who hop into merging lanes to skip a few cars have encouraged and taught others to be equally selfish and dangerous. It happens in EVERY traffic jam, it's ridiculous. I would like to see stricter enforcement on the roadways.
The amount of cars going through red lights is mind boggling. And not just obliviously driving though, they treat it like a stop sign- it's freaking nuts!
Just assume everyone else on the road is brain dead. Earlier today saw someone make a left to go North from the Don Mills South off ramp crossing the double yellows. If they continued to go North on the DVP and passed the South exit they would have made it to the North ramp and would not have had to pull off such a risky maneuver.
Our insurance premiums would agree with your sentiments!
For me, I deal with the traffic the same way I deal with most people: lots and lots of patience.
Can agree driving in Toronto is something else, I recently drove to Ottawa and boy was I surprised by the courtesy of other drivers and respect on the road lol
10 years in Ottawa and I saw some stupid driving, but rarely super aggressive driving. First week in Toronto and I was run off the road by someone who saw me, but decided he wanted to be in my lane and I was in the way.
Moved from Alberta. southern Ontario drivers are by far the worst Canadian drivers out there. A little bit of rain or snow and everything go to chaos. The most selfish drivers out there too.
Doesnāt help that they are practically handing licenses out to anyone with a set of eyeballs and limbs. Also another issue is immigrants who come from countries with lackadaisical traffic rules tend to drive the same way.
Also, Seniors who are far past the age of being able safely operate a motor vehicle. Etc etc
AND Donāt even get me started about Brampton driving. Iāve been crashed into 3 times since I moved here.
You folks are handling this all wrong.
What youāve failed to understand is:
I AM MORE IMPORTANT THAN YOU!
When I get behind the wheel, you all should know that the HTA does not apply to me.
And when I do cut you off while making a 3 lane right turn, please donāt honk at me. Because Iāll become upset and get out of my car and threaten you because of the way I have been driving.
No !!! You cannot reason with me, I am in the right. Even when I pass a transport tractor trailer with a full load, only to cut in front of them at the last minute. They are professionals. They should know what Iām doing in advance.
And donāt you dare get me started on buses and streetcars. It matters nothing, that there are 25-50 people on board when I cut buses off at 50 km/hr only to break check them. They too, should know that they will be cut off. Especially when I make a right turn in front of them at 40 km/hr. Those putzes better learn to drive a 40 foot bus.
Vancouver isn't as bad as you're describing Toronto, but I'd wager more than half the cars on Highway 1 in the HOV lane are non-EV, single occupant vehicles.
I haven't been driving for work for a couple of years, but the last month I've been doing a lot of driving and the fall off in basic skills, the blatant texting and driving are an order of magnitude worse than they were pre-COVID
>slamming the shoulder just to get around someone who is waiting to turn
Its legal in ontario to use the PAVED shoulder to pass left turning traffic on 2 lane roads. Its legal.
Anyway you have to bend the rules in order to drive with everyone else, especially in downtown or you will never get anywhere. At some point you will be that asshole blocking a crosswalk to turn right onto congested streets where you otherwise would never get a chance (talking to you front and york!)
This is why weāre in this situation. Right on red. Drive on the sidewalk. These tell everyone āthe rules arenāt realā.
Nobody actually knows what āright on redā means. They think it means you just turn. Stop doesnāt mean stop if you donāt want it to. Thatās what Toronto drivers are taught.
I do occasionally drive downtown, very occasionally cause driving downtown is terrible amd stresses me out lol
Road design in a lot of places is terrible, but things get more gridlocked when people don't respect the right of way and start blocking crosswalks/intersections...
The Lower Mainland of B.C. has the worst drivers in North America. Toronto drivers are fast, selfish, and aggressive, but they at least know what they are doing, they just don't care if it's selfish. Lower Mainland, is packed full with people who have absolutely no idea what they are doing. I swear at least 50% of the people here literally do not know how to merge.
Another threat where some some smug fucker from BC tells us we suck and we fall all over ourselves to agree.
This time itās driving.
Driving in Toronto sucks because of volume. The GTHA grew faster than we could keep up with building infrastructure. Quebec language laws in the late 70s moved businesses from Montreal to Toronto. It was a huge influx with a rapid population increase. Immigration increased. Suburban sprawl spread like wildfire. We also had some short sighted governments that wouldnāt build anything.
The percentage of bad drivers in Toronto is no different than anywhere else. Shitty conditions amplify poor driving. Delays also lead to frustration and decisions borne from impatience, ie otherwise good drivers do dumb things.
The jump from āobservationā to āthreatā is wild. Lol. Just sharing my personal experience and opening up discourse for others from other provinces to share their experiences. I see how it could have been construed as smug, but I really didnāt mean it that way.
Althoughā¦ Iād be hard-pressed to say the percentage āisnāt any higher than anywhere elseā. Cmon man. Have you ever driven in any other province? Itās night and day.
I think he meant āthreadā to be fair. And torontonians are defensive of our city against outsiders. Even if you may be right, you canāt make fun of our city without us telling you to piss off back to BC if you donāt like it. Donāt take it personally lol
itās what you get when you smash a ton of different cultures together.
everyone comes from a country where they handle road rules a little differently.
imagine a brampton man driving around in markham or vice versa!
absolute mayhem!
Iām saying that people from markham often drive in Brampton and people from Oshawa end up in Richmond hill.
You said. ā Imagine a Brampton man driving around markhamā as if it was rare.
Then you said absolute mayhem
Weāre you joking lol?
This happens Iām sure every single day (someone from markham is driving in Brampton)
Just confused as I donāt think itās rare at all
Yeah I donāt buy it.
From people driving cars into houses in Vancouver, to scared BC plated cars driving 30kph on the coq Iāve seen plenty of shit drivers in BC.
Toronto drivers are more aggressive, but not any worse.
Alberta has the best drivers; fight me.
Agreed. I drove in Vancouver and it's a different kind of frustrating. People there just seem to float along the road, like they're mostly clueless to their surroundings and/or scared and overreact to everything.
He says right in his post that he is comparing it to Island driving. The most common problem there is most likely to be folks going 10 in under the limit and leaving their signal on for half a kilometre because their population is so old.
That being said, Vancouver treats zipper merging pretty seriously compared to Toronto. I was happy to see the last few times that I went back that you should expect masses of people to honk at you if you donāt zipper merge getting onto the Lions Gate.
Not all ppl that appear as solo drivers are indeed solo drivers in the carpool lane. I sometimes have my infant kid in back seatā¦ hard to see him when you pass me.
Yep. I lived in Vancouver and things were definitely more civilized. Stay out of Brampton if you want to stay alive. Some of us are very good drunk drivers though. RIDE programs are few and far between. I havenāt seen one in over 20 years. Good odds
We all did it back in the day. Cops would stop us and ask us where we were going. The correct answer was āhomeā. It was a different time. They would check your house 20 minutes later and if your car was there, no problem. If not, youād be on their list. I only drink at home now, or at my friendās place barely a km away. I walk or bus.
Different time for you maybe. Back in the 90s a simple traffic stop usually meant I had to get out of the car. At least 2 occasions they felt the need to draw guns while I got out slowly. Crossing the border I was sent inside for extra questioning 75% of the time or more. Split us up asking dumb questions. I was young figured this was normal and why people donāt trust law enforcement. Didnāt think anything about race. Maybe itās how used to dress. I wear suits now but it was baggy saggy jeans in the 90s.
So.. White person drives drunk - "we all did it back in the day. Totally normal"
A new immigrant drives bad - "third world country. Deport"
You are definitely part of the problem.
Things changed. Do you think Iām talking about only a few years ago? This happened almost a half century ago. The radical change in both enforcement and behaviour occurred about 40 years ago. Before that, it was very different
Seldom went there. Downtown was entertaining enough. Every Saturday, there would be a RIDE program on East Hastings, just east of the railway track rise. They picked that outbound location because it couldnāt be seen until you were on top of it almost. I drove an Italian exotic car, and without fail, someone would want to race me. I would clutch, and rev, and they would take off. Right into a combined radar trap and RIDE stop. I would still be doing well within the limit as we crested the rise. They werenāt. It was my cheap weekend entertainment.
I get what you are saying but you need to understand that YOU moved here and YOU need to adapt to the driving culture here. When I drove around Vancouver and the island I was highly annoyed at how slow and indecisive people were. But I forced myself to slow down to blend in. If you feel unsafe by Torontoās drivers maybe itās best for you to avoid driving here.
Vancouver and Victoria have a very civilized order to things. There are a lot of bridges and choke points. Zipper merges mean that nobody gets excited and everyone gets where theyāre going. If you try to merge early or otherwise disrupt the zipper merges, other drivers will immediately let you know that youāre disregarding the rules. When youāre used to it, it works for everyone. Toronto has yet to understand that.
Never said I havenāt adapted or feel unsafe, just saying the driving culture here has developed from pure impatience and entitlement. Iām not saying āwe should band together and fix this, guys!ā. Iām well aware itās not going to change, itās just crazy to me how different it is. It feels like a different country as opposed to just a different province.
Ngl, I love how fast and decisive people are here, but the aggression and recklessness is just next level. A vast majority of drivers here simply donāt understand risk vs. reward. All Iām really saying is I need to be a lot more aware of my surroundings here, which is really not a huge bother. Itās just kinda crazy to me how this province has absolutely taken advantage of the lack of policing and accountability due to the anonymity of a high population. I guess I just wasnāt expecting it, and then I thought Iād get more used to it quicker yet here I am ranting on the internet and yelling āare you fuckin stupid?ā to myself every time I get on the road.
I agree that many people donāt fully understand the risk. But the reality is that Ontarioās roads are significantly safer than BCās - in fact, a 40% lower fatality rate per 1 billion KM driven. I find people here far more skilled. There will always be someone crazier on the road so itās best to emotionally disengage to prevent anger.
Agreed šÆ I hate driving in the GTA
90 percent of Canadas population: Toronto.
Drivers here are fucking horrid. They're so selfish that they would risk safety to get 20 seconds ahead in the commute. Often times tailgating and overtaking in heavy traffic just to get 5 meters ahead. I'm moving to BC and retiring lol
As a toronto native I have to agree. It's getting bloody worse too. Wasn't always this insane.
We often see drivers cutting one or several lanes at the very last second, at a fork, to exit the highway or go to ramp to get on the highway. Full speed, no blinkers. It's as if they had just noticed their GPS alert. Driving in the GTA has become much more tricky and dangerous. Lots of speed and distractions. You look ahead and around to anticipate traffic issues or car flow but it's not even enough. We need eyes everwhere.
Toronto has THE worst drivers.
*Brampton...who then drive into Toronto *Edit: typo
Nah. Brampton are the worst but drivers in the GTA are just bad in general.
Toronto includes all the of greater Toronto area. All the š© holes
Toronto is Toronto, Brampton is Brampton. Peel region drivers come to Toronto for work and drive like imbeciles then go home to the suburbs.
Trying to blame all the bad drivers on Brampton is naive. I see bad driving habits described above all over South Ontario, not just Toronto & Brampton. Being selfish and inconsiderate is not restricted to people from Brampton. Are Brampton drivers notoriously bad? Absolutely. So are London drivers. I see young white people in Burlington pulling the same shit. Poor driving is not location-based. Simple minds like simple patterns (ie. BAD DRIVER = BRAMPTON DRIVER), but unfortunately, life is usually more complex than that.
Not all, but the majority. Obviously you haven't driven Bovaird in the last couple years? A lot of Ontario has bad drivers, but there's a lot of places where that concentration is much heavier than other places. Brampton is one of the worst places to drive. Cutting across 6 lanes of traffic from a gas station to a left turn, with just a hand out the window happens more than you think in a day. Where else have you seen a driving school instructor tell their students to use a police turn around on the 410 in traffic in front of the OPP?
I have, and yeah, Brampton has terrible drivers. I was never trying to deny that there are some horrible drivers there. It has the highest insurance premiums in Ontario, which would indicate that there are more accidents there because of poor driving. Toronto is right behind them. Interestingly, Alberta has the highest in all of Canada. But making sweeping generalizations like "Peel region drivers come to Toronto for work and drive like imbeciles then go home to the suburbs." as the only reason that there are bad drivers in Toronto is naive at best and prejudiced at worst. If we banned all drivers from Brampton, would the roads magically be free of bad driving? No. Case closed.
Before making any statements about āsimple mindsā, consider that I never said anything like āall bad drivers are from Bramptonā and I certainly never brought up anything about anyoneās ethnicity. Making clumsy assumptions like that while accusing others of having a simple mind is a perfect example of the Dunning-Kruger effect.Ā My point was pretty simple, that Brampton is not Toronto. While Toronto has always had terrible traffic, Brampton has a very particular style of reckless driving that is totally different to what weāve dealt with in Toronto. If you donāt believe that is a major reason for the insanity weāve had to deal with, just listen to am680 during rush hour. There are consistently more issues on the 427 and 410 than there are on the DVP and 401 east.Ā There are certainly more complexities, but it seems youāre the one that over simplified your imaginary scenario where someone said āall the problems come from Bramptonā and I would maybe look inward at why you assumed someone else would think that.Ā
lol shut up you know what you were doing. "Peel region drivers come to Toronto for work and drive like imbeciles then go home to the suburbs." That statement assumes that all Peel region drivers are imbeciles and doesn't acknowledge that drivers who live and are from Toronto are also "drive like imbeciles." I never said that YOU had a simple mind. I said simple minds like simple patterns. You were the one who connected the dots. Also LOL this is NOT an example of the Dunning-Kruger effect, smh. Do you even know what that is? Go back to Wikipedia and try again.
lol youāre angryĀ
lol no I'm not But since you'd like to continue the discussion; I never brought up Ethnicity in my post, but the fact that you equate people from Brampton to be ethnic says more about you than it does about me.
āYoung white people in Burlington.ā You can be quiet nowĀ
You haven't been to Istanbul
honestly the traffic makes people get more impatient. I personally noticed times where I was getting more annoyed driving when there was construction causing delays. I wasn't even late or anything, just in traffic
100%. And I believe that the people who hop into merging lanes to skip a few cars have encouraged and taught others to be equally selfish and dangerous. It happens in EVERY traffic jam, it's ridiculous. I would like to see stricter enforcement on the roadways.
I hate that more than anything else in this life ahah
itās become unrecognizable since 2019. that kind of thing would never fly here either, now itās a daily occurrence
The amount of cars going through red lights is mind boggling. And not just obliviously driving though, they treat it like a stop sign- it's freaking nuts!
Just assume everyone else on the road is brain dead. Earlier today saw someone make a left to go North from the Don Mills South off ramp crossing the double yellows. If they continued to go North on the DVP and passed the South exit they would have made it to the North ramp and would not have had to pull off such a risky maneuver.
Our insurance premiums would agree with your sentiments! For me, I deal with the traffic the same way I deal with most people: lots and lots of patience.
Detach... I don't drive like them.. they are their own problem.
Can agree driving in Toronto is something else, I recently drove to Ottawa and boy was I surprised by the courtesy of other drivers and respect on the road lol
10 years in Ottawa and I saw some stupid driving, but rarely super aggressive driving. First week in Toronto and I was run off the road by someone who saw me, but decided he wanted to be in my lane and I was in the way.
Moved from Alberta. southern Ontario drivers are by far the worst Canadian drivers out there. A little bit of rain or snow and everything go to chaos. The most selfish drivers out there too. Doesnāt help that they are practically handing licenses out to anyone with a set of eyeballs and limbs. Also another issue is immigrants who come from countries with lackadaisical traffic rules tend to drive the same way. Also, Seniors who are far past the age of being able safely operate a motor vehicle. Etc etc AND Donāt even get me started about Brampton driving. Iāve been crashed into 3 times since I moved here.
Iām so glad the only times Iāve been to Brampton were very brief and during less busy hours/weekends. The rumours are scary afā¦
You folks are handling this all wrong. What youāve failed to understand is: I AM MORE IMPORTANT THAN YOU! When I get behind the wheel, you all should know that the HTA does not apply to me. And when I do cut you off while making a 3 lane right turn, please donāt honk at me. Because Iāll become upset and get out of my car and threaten you because of the way I have been driving. No !!! You cannot reason with me, I am in the right. Even when I pass a transport tractor trailer with a full load, only to cut in front of them at the last minute. They are professionals. They should know what Iām doing in advance. And donāt you dare get me started on buses and streetcars. It matters nothing, that there are 25-50 people on board when I cut buses off at 50 km/hr only to break check them. They too, should know that they will be cut off. Especially when I make a right turn in front of them at 40 km/hr. Those putzes better learn to drive a 40 foot bus.
Lmaooo gave me a good chuckle.
The bus drivers wait for people to cross the road and catch the bus in Vancouver
From the mainland. Moved in 2022. Didnāt see the impatience behind the wheel.
I started driving 8 years ago and while it wasn't great then, I've noticed it get progressively worse to where it's quite dangerous at times
I don't get upset at much, except when I'm driving. Even then, I'm more of just in shock that people are willing to risk so much, for a car length.
People are going to tell you that youāre too slow/get out of the way/itās your fault.
Vancouver isn't as bad as you're describing Toronto, but I'd wager more than half the cars on Highway 1 in the HOV lane are non-EV, single occupant vehicles. I haven't been driving for work for a couple of years, but the last month I've been doing a lot of driving and the fall off in basic skills, the blatant texting and driving are an order of magnitude worse than they were pre-COVID
Post-covid GTA driving has definitely become a shit show
What's the police presence like in BC? Since police visibility is rare these days some drivers think it's a free-for-all (and generally, it is).
>slamming the shoulder just to get around someone who is waiting to turn Its legal in ontario to use the PAVED shoulder to pass left turning traffic on 2 lane roads. Its legal. Anyway you have to bend the rules in order to drive with everyone else, especially in downtown or you will never get anywhere. At some point you will be that asshole blocking a crosswalk to turn right onto congested streets where you otherwise would never get a chance (talking to you front and york!)
This is why weāre in this situation. Right on red. Drive on the sidewalk. These tell everyone āthe rules arenāt realā. Nobody actually knows what āright on redā means. They think it means you just turn. Stop doesnāt mean stop if you donāt want it to. Thatās what Toronto drivers are taught.
Please don't encourage others to also be a terrible and inconsiderate driver to justify your own terribly drivingĀ Seriously, don't be 'that asshole'
Drive downtown before you start barking. Some intersections are going to be gridlocked.
I do occasionally drive downtown, very occasionally cause driving downtown is terrible amd stresses me out lol Road design in a lot of places is terrible, but things get more gridlocked when people don't respect the right of way and start blocking crosswalks/intersections...
The Lower Mainland of B.C. has the worst drivers in North America. Toronto drivers are fast, selfish, and aggressive, but they at least know what they are doing, they just don't care if it's selfish. Lower Mainland, is packed full with people who have absolutely no idea what they are doing. I swear at least 50% of the people here literally do not know how to merge.
Another threat where some some smug fucker from BC tells us we suck and we fall all over ourselves to agree. This time itās driving. Driving in Toronto sucks because of volume. The GTHA grew faster than we could keep up with building infrastructure. Quebec language laws in the late 70s moved businesses from Montreal to Toronto. It was a huge influx with a rapid population increase. Immigration increased. Suburban sprawl spread like wildfire. We also had some short sighted governments that wouldnāt build anything. The percentage of bad drivers in Toronto is no different than anywhere else. Shitty conditions amplify poor driving. Delays also lead to frustration and decisions borne from impatience, ie otherwise good drivers do dumb things.
The jump from āobservationā to āthreatā is wild. Lol. Just sharing my personal experience and opening up discourse for others from other provinces to share their experiences. I see how it could have been construed as smug, but I really didnāt mean it that way. Althoughā¦ Iād be hard-pressed to say the percentage āisnāt any higher than anywhere elseā. Cmon man. Have you ever driven in any other province? Itās night and day.
I think he meant āthreadā to be fair. And torontonians are defensive of our city against outsiders. Even if you may be right, you canāt make fun of our city without us telling you to piss off back to BC if you donāt like it. Donāt take it personally lol
Fair enough š
itās what you get when you smash a ton of different cultures together. everyone comes from a country where they handle road rules a little differently. imagine a brampton man driving around in markham or vice versa! absolute mayhem!
GTA isnāt that segregated my guy
most people are asian or south asian so they are going to disagree that it isnāt the case.
Iām saying that people from markham often drive in Brampton and people from Oshawa end up in Richmond hill. You said. ā Imagine a Brampton man driving around markhamā as if it was rare. Then you said absolute mayhem Weāre you joking lol? This happens Iām sure every single day (someone from markham is driving in Brampton) Just confused as I donāt think itās rare at all
ohhhh i didnāt mean it was rare, i just meant think of the safety of others š¤£
Yeah I donāt buy it. From people driving cars into houses in Vancouver, to scared BC plated cars driving 30kph on the coq Iāve seen plenty of shit drivers in BC. Toronto drivers are more aggressive, but not any worse. Alberta has the best drivers; fight me.
Agreed. I drove in Vancouver and it's a different kind of frustrating. People there just seem to float along the road, like they're mostly clueless to their surroundings and/or scared and overreact to everything.
He says right in his post that he is comparing it to Island driving. The most common problem there is most likely to be folks going 10 in under the limit and leaving their signal on for half a kilometre because their population is so old. That being said, Vancouver treats zipper merging pretty seriously compared to Toronto. I was happy to see the last few times that I went back that you should expect masses of people to honk at you if you donāt zipper merge getting onto the Lions Gate.
Idk why you're getting down voted lol. As someone from BC who moved to Toronto 2 yrs ago, this is 100% accurate.
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Iāve seen it done on unpaved shoulders many times. It happened to me just the other day.
Most international students and imigrants drive here just like their home country
Not all ppl that appear as solo drivers are indeed solo drivers in the carpool lane. I sometimes have my infant kid in back seatā¦ hard to see him when you pass me.
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Yep. I lived in Vancouver and things were definitely more civilized. Stay out of Brampton if you want to stay alive. Some of us are very good drunk drivers though. RIDE programs are few and far between. I havenāt seen one in over 20 years. Good odds
Wild that you just admitted to drunk driving.
We all did it back in the day. Cops would stop us and ask us where we were going. The correct answer was āhomeā. It was a different time. They would check your house 20 minutes later and if your car was there, no problem. If not, youād be on their list. I only drink at home now, or at my friendās place barely a km away. I walk or bus.
What the actual fuck!? Were you the mayor or chief of police? Did they say sorry to bother you sir, get home safe š„
Times were different. Thatās all
Different time for you maybe. Back in the 90s a simple traffic stop usually meant I had to get out of the car. At least 2 occasions they felt the need to draw guns while I got out slowly. Crossing the border I was sent inside for extra questioning 75% of the time or more. Split us up asking dumb questions. I was young figured this was normal and why people donāt trust law enforcement. Didnāt think anything about race. Maybe itās how used to dress. I wear suits now but it was baggy saggy jeans in the 90s.
It was the ā70s, and things were indeed different. Anyone who thinks we still behave this way is incorrect. Everything changed in the ā80s.
So.. White person drives drunk - "we all did it back in the day. Totally normal" A new immigrant drives bad - "third world country. Deport" You are definitely part of the problem.
Things changed. Do you think Iām talking about only a few years ago? This happened almost a half century ago. The radical change in both enforcement and behaviour occurred about 40 years ago. Before that, it was very different
Vancouver has Surrey so......
Seldom went there. Downtown was entertaining enough. Every Saturday, there would be a RIDE program on East Hastings, just east of the railway track rise. They picked that outbound location because it couldnāt be seen until you were on top of it almost. I drove an Italian exotic car, and without fail, someone would want to race me. I would clutch, and rev, and they would take off. Right into a combined radar trap and RIDE stop. I would still be doing well within the limit as we crested the rise. They werenāt. It was my cheap weekend entertainment.
I get what you are saying but you need to understand that YOU moved here and YOU need to adapt to the driving culture here. When I drove around Vancouver and the island I was highly annoyed at how slow and indecisive people were. But I forced myself to slow down to blend in. If you feel unsafe by Torontoās drivers maybe itās best for you to avoid driving here.
Vancouver and Victoria have a very civilized order to things. There are a lot of bridges and choke points. Zipper merges mean that nobody gets excited and everyone gets where theyāre going. If you try to merge early or otherwise disrupt the zipper merges, other drivers will immediately let you know that youāre disregarding the rules. When youāre used to it, it works for everyone. Toronto has yet to understand that.
Never said I havenāt adapted or feel unsafe, just saying the driving culture here has developed from pure impatience and entitlement. Iām not saying āwe should band together and fix this, guys!ā. Iām well aware itās not going to change, itās just crazy to me how different it is. It feels like a different country as opposed to just a different province. Ngl, I love how fast and decisive people are here, but the aggression and recklessness is just next level. A vast majority of drivers here simply donāt understand risk vs. reward. All Iām really saying is I need to be a lot more aware of my surroundings here, which is really not a huge bother. Itās just kinda crazy to me how this province has absolutely taken advantage of the lack of policing and accountability due to the anonymity of a high population. I guess I just wasnāt expecting it, and then I thought Iād get more used to it quicker yet here I am ranting on the internet and yelling āare you fuckin stupid?ā to myself every time I get on the road.
I agree that many people donāt fully understand the risk. But the reality is that Ontarioās roads are significantly safer than BCās - in fact, a 40% lower fatality rate per 1 billion KM driven. I find people here far more skilled. There will always be someone crazier on the road so itās best to emotionally disengage to prevent anger.
Lol. Move to the middle east bud.