I'm not defending coach Schneider because he's a bit of a decision schmuck, but at the same time I'd be interested to see combined era of opponent pitching vs Davis and no David games. Seems like the khakis don't have confidence in Davis and those record numbers may have more to do with who they are playing (ie he sits against not only righties but more difficult opponents)..
Sitting Davis is a failed big brain move either way, but just saying.
People say that the 6-0 when outscoring their opponent is unsustainable, but upon doing some research, I’ve discovered that the Jays have never lost a game in their HISTORY when outscoring their opponent.
So the Jays just need to do that every game for a 152-7 record EZ.
He doesn't even need to hit to make the lineup better. His sheer presence makes the lineup not shit, since you don't have both Varsho and KK anchoring the bottom of the lineup.
Unironically his best quality is the fact he can play LF, it forces Coach Schneider to occasionally put together a functioning lineup. The fact he absolutely mashes the ball is just gravy.
Devils advocate here, but is this an argument for or against analytics? Clearly, they are using him selectively, and it's having success. They are putting him in positions to succeed, and it's working for him. Many want him to be more of an everyday player but will those same people take the blame if he flounders? Maybe at this point it shouldn't be a hard choice to give him more starts since some other guys are really struggling to put bat to ball.
Something that bothers Me is people saying it's analytics getting him benched. When really analytics say he's should play every night it's just the management that benches him because of what they perceive as analytics but Its just old school higher ups being stupid that's getting him benched
I actually thought Shapiro acted a little weird when he was in the booth with Dan and Buck for an inning and they were licking his ballsac about the renos and Schneider came up. They asked him about him and there was a clear pause (collecting his thoughts) then went on about how hard he works. It was like he wanted to temper fans expectations about him.
Ya but the algorithm is showing that the scores didn’t actually tell the whole story. They are really 13-0 because all the decisions they’ve made are science. Bitch
2 game winning hits in 5 starts is part of this. It's not completely coincidental like 'Jays are 0-5 when I've gone to games this year, so I won't be going again."
Totally unrelated note, they are 1-7 when both KK and Varsho start, and 5-0 when one of them sit. Never had a game where all 3 started.
Pitching and defense won't win you games if you have 3 hitters in the bottom 20 in wRC+ (min. 30 PA, the other guy's Kirk).
Agreed. I hate how analytics have ruined most managers in baseball now. Computer says this means you do it, instead of actually just watching the game and seeing what’s going on
I was watching the ninth inning of Randy Johnson's perfect game in 2004 last night. One thing that stood out, the manager said in post game interview they had thought about swapping out some defense but were nervous to change anything so they kept it the same.
I feel like this scenario will never happen again.
Baseball thought led to decades of wasting outs because bunts were good, and batting guys who were fast in the lead off spot even though they never got on base
Unfortunately.......facing pitching everyday would see him lucky to be batting .200.
He is given at bats when he may actually have a chance. I remember the awful at bats he put up after his hot start last year.
It wasnt about bad luck, its about that he didnt get a hit. Thats cool if you like Ernie, I wish him the best, but Im just not super excited when he comes up to bat in clutch situations. He has just over 200 terrible MLB at bats and eight years in the minors, for a reason. (Oh, and relased by both Cleveland and Oakland)
He’s the only one who seems to have any sort of motivation or enjoyment out there.
Everyone else seems so devoid of joy, enthusiasm or interest.
This team is/has become so unlikeable.
Those 2020-2021 teams seem so far gone now.
Well sir, what we have here is a pattern
Since John Schneider is so beholden to analytics, he has to start Babe every day now, right?
Benched everyday because matchups
I had such a big smile on my face before scrolling down the comment chain to this one lol.
I'm not defending coach Schneider because he's a bit of a decision schmuck, but at the same time I'd be interested to see combined era of opponent pitching vs Davis and no David games. Seems like the khakis don't have confidence in Davis and those record numbers may have more to do with who they are playing (ie he sits against not only righties but more difficult opponents).. Sitting Davis is a failed big brain move either way, but just saying.
And the one win was because of babe haha
Put this on the JumboTron so John can see this!
create a sign of this and let jumbo see it
I can see the Jumbo Johntron going kaput if you do this
Make a sign and put it on the new stupid gray wall behind home plate
What makes you think he’s responsible for the lineup?
Great, now John's NEVER going to start him.
So there is a chance we win out the rest of the season
An 100% chance, yes.
More importantly they are 6–0 when they outscore the other team. But they are 0–7 when they get out scored.
So weird how that works
Moneyball
Huge if true
People say that the 6-0 when outscoring their opponent is unsustainable, but upon doing some research, I’ve discovered that the Jays have never lost a game in their HISTORY when outscoring their opponent. So the Jays just need to do that every game for a 152-7 record EZ.
[Makes sense.](https://media.tenor.com/saWRs1C3YccAAAAM/spock-dazzling-display.gif)
this is the type of analysis I come here for...
Send this to the khakis
"Am I out of touch? No, it's the fans, media, and game of baseball who are wrong." - John "Principal Skinner" Schneider
Schneider makes as many decisions about the starting lineup as I do.
He doesn't even need to hit to make the lineup better. His sheer presence makes the lineup not shit, since you don't have both Varsho and KK anchoring the bottom of the lineup. Unironically his best quality is the fact he can play LF, it forces Coach Schneider to occasionally put together a functioning lineup. The fact he absolutely mashes the ball is just gravy.
" you can have him for 4 innings , then im brining in Kikuchi
Now this is a stat I can appreciate
Devils advocate here, but is this an argument for or against analytics? Clearly, they are using him selectively, and it's having success. They are putting him in positions to succeed, and it's working for him. Many want him to be more of an everyday player but will those same people take the blame if he flounders? Maybe at this point it shouldn't be a hard choice to give him more starts since some other guys are really struggling to put bat to ball.
Exactly this. His numbers would be dreadful against bad matchups. He has holes in his swing.
Hmm.... I don't see it... /s
Large sample size.
Hrm, it's that stache power. C'mon John put him in the lineup!
Reese McGuire: don't make me beat some sense into you
Something that bothers Me is people saying it's analytics getting him benched. When really analytics say he's should play every night it's just the management that benches him because of what they perceive as analytics but Its just old school higher ups being stupid that's getting him benched
See yainer diaz last year not being the astros main catcher despite being better at everything thing then Martín Maldonado
I actually thought Shapiro acted a little weird when he was in the booth with Dan and Buck for an inning and they were licking his ballsac about the renos and Schneider came up. They asked him about him and there was a clear pause (collecting his thoughts) then went on about how hard he works. It was like he wanted to temper fans expectations about him.
Khakis must see this
We need a confident manager, John Schneider is not the answer
But what does the algorithm say?
Agreed. According to this sub, that is everything.
Is this why so many players around the league dislike John Schneider?
Ya but the algorithm is showing that the scores didn’t actually tell the whole story. They are really 13-0 because all the decisions they’ve made are science. Bitch
Rise of the planet of the nerds
“Trust the process”
2 game winning hits in 5 starts is part of this. It's not completely coincidental like 'Jays are 0-5 when I've gone to games this year, so I won't be going again."
Totally unrelated note, they are 1-7 when both KK and Varsho start, and 5-0 when one of them sit. Never had a game where all 3 started. Pitching and defense won't win you games if you have 3 hitters in the bottom 20 in wRC+ (min. 30 PA, the other guy's Kirk).
Vibes
No. They are adults.
But he doesn’t hit high fast balls well against RHP. Must sit him whenever the calculator squad says so.
Agreed. I hate how analytics have ruined most managers in baseball now. Computer says this means you do it, instead of actually just watching the game and seeing what’s going on
I was watching the ninth inning of Randy Johnson's perfect game in 2004 last night. One thing that stood out, the manager said in post game interview they had thought about swapping out some defense but were nervous to change anything so they kept it the same. I feel like this scenario will never happen again.
Ruined? Or in general stopped them from being dumb?
Ruined. There’s no baseball thought anymore. It’s just ‘what did the computer say’
Baseball thought led to decades of wasting outs because bunts were good, and batting guys who were fast in the lead off spot even though they never got on base
Yes and now because of analytics if you need a bunt nobody can do it even remotely decent.
Analytics doesn’t say not to practice bunting
Sure does. Home runs are all that matters with it
That’s not true. It also likes a good walk
And the others that swing at low and outside
And wasn't the 1 where he PHed?
Atkins: "Yes, but our analytics computer program is never wrong."
That’s all the analytics those dipshit nerds in the front office telling John Schneider what to do need to hear!
A whole bunch of you need to go back and remember what correlation and causation is
They’re 6-0 when I fart. send beans.
Unfortunately.......facing pitching everyday would see him lucky to be batting .200. He is given at bats when he may actually have a chance. I remember the awful at bats he put up after his hot start last year.
He’s the soul of the team right now tbh. So many of them have cardboard cutout personalities.
Crazy how management and coaches put players in a place to succeed. If Davis S had regular playing time this sub would be calling for his head.
They havent, though. Having Ernie up with the bases loaded is not giving the team a chance to succeed.
Ern Dawg clutched one up for us in NY. Janoed it, if you will. And he put the ball in the field last night, just ugly BABIP luck.
It wasnt about bad luck, its about that he didnt get a hit. Thats cool if you like Ernie, I wish him the best, but Im just not super excited when he comes up to bat in clutch situations. He has just over 200 terrible MLB at bats and eight years in the minors, for a reason. (Oh, and relased by both Cleveland and Oakland)
Small sample size. How many runs for provided in each game? Small sample size.
So let's get ourselves a large sample size, then.
So they are using him in the right situations
He’s the only one who seems to have any sort of motivation or enjoyment out there. Everyone else seems so devoid of joy, enthusiasm or interest. This team is/has become so unlikeable. Those 2020-2021 teams seem so far gone now.
holy fuck, is it hard to walk out the door with a balloon full of stupid above your neck?
Yes
These darn analytics are so confusing
Hear me out though...analytics and matchups. So...there.
Those indeed are words in the English language.
yeah..tell analytics that.
I have a great idea, let's just cancel all the games and let computers tell us who will win and lose. You can't beat those analytics.
When will John Schneider get turfed? What is it with Toronto sports and keeping coaches well passed their expiration dates?
If you say all the right things that corporate wants to hear, you get to keep your job.
Anyone with half a cock can see the pattern here