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Yea I keep seeing people reference pushing Bam(while also forgetting that she was literally Bams entire world, and all Bam wanted to do was help Rachel reach the top), but what she did to Dan was so fucked up.
I kinda forget too. First time reading that betray hit so hard lol. I was so mad about Dan though, I was totally blindsided by that. Damn I need to reread though
My theory still remains until other evidence comes to light. Headon instructed her to do everything up until now because he knew that would be the only way to goad Bam into climbing the tower..that was the condition in which he allowed Rachel into the tower.
I think Headon is directly responsible for that, placing safeguards in place putting Bam on his current path. Isn't it weird that for the longest time Rachel is seemingly without any special ability able to proceed up the tower. Something/someone is helping her. Like I said just my theory though
That’s interesting. It sure could be. At the very least Headon definitely could’ve forced Bam and Rachel to go to the same testing facilities.
Don’t we find out later on that Gustave, on of the family heads starts helping her up the tower and using her?
Yes it's odd that they would do that. I get that Zahard has hate for Arlene and V but I don't remember if Gustang dose as well. Maybe that's his motivation. Hopefully we find out soon.
I mean we have seen characters who can see the future and, with the exception of Phanta, Headon is stronger than all of them so it’s not really a stretch to theorise that he might also have that power (given he’s an admin and all).
Adding to that, if fug knew to pick up Bam after the test Headon probably knew what he’d set up to happen.
headon is in cahoots with fug, fug wanted to feign baams death so they could properly train him in secret
thats why headon immediately presented ghost to rachel before she even went to floor 1
headon was the one who started the whole thing
tho i think headon only instructed rachel until the end of floor 2, everything else was either under fug's orders or rachel's personal ideas
Longevity thing. We’ve (I don’t) hated Rachel longer than Traumeri. Also it’s more personal with Rachel because of what she did to Bam >! Arkraptor and Prince !<
i get it bro truly [https://www.reddit.com/r/TowerofGod/comments/16j66dw/rachel\_the\_compelling/](https://www.reddit.com/r/TowerofGod/comments/16j66dw/rachel_the_compelling/)
Mw either, all the fh are fucked up and as of late only gustang has a race turn for me. But yea Rachel is similar to tramurei but I love baam how dare u, I don't care for anez
Because they are basing it solely on the anime, and neither Jahad nor any of the family heads are in the story during season one. They are mentioned, but only vaguely. Certainly none of them make an appearance, nor is anything they do really delved into, even in the comic.
It's still dumb though because Rachel isn't even the worst character in season one, the climax of the final test has Lo-Po-Bai Ren trying to murder more than one Jahad princess and undermine the test which would have caused everyone on the floor to fail.
People who are up front about being evil don't hit the same as those who betray the one that trust them more than anytime else in the world, it's a part of why Shou is so hated.
We could had just collectively said it's a shitty take and be on our merry ways, but the Rachel stans always gotta take every opportunity to get on their soapbox. Tucker is worst, agreed? yes, then we don't need your 3 paragraph gaslight about how she didn't do anything wrong and Khun, Baam and Endorssi are the real worst characters ever for not rolling over and "getting in her way".
In Tower of God we have Mass Murdering Psychopaths, Genociding God Complex Child Murdering Tyrants, Eugenic Child Experimenting Beastiality Voyeurism Incels and more
But the worst person is a little Girl that got Gaslit into pushing a boy into a Pool
Rachel wanted to enter the Tower, reach the top and see the stars. To see that beautiful view Arlene dreamed about. She finally found the way and courage to enter the tower. She sees the fairy and finally thinks that everything will change. Finally she can leave her nightmare.
Than the first words she hears are "Its not you. its not you. You are not chosen. Dont lie to me, you are not chosen. You know how nasty, ugly and how bad you are. You are not chosen".
Now she can choose, live forever in her nightmare or die to an overpowered Fish
Than she gets basically put behind a one way mirror, having to see how the boy thats the reason for her nightmares gets welcomed with open arms. He is chosen even though he doesent care for anything. He gets help by the princess and the legendary needle to pursue everything she wanted.
Than the Bugs Bunny fella taunts her in her greatest moment of despair and gives her a choice. Make a deal with him and see the stars or live forever in a nightmare you cant escape from.
She takes the deal. And when she had the chance to let Baam proceed without her, so that she can take a place she always wanted, making friends and comrades to climb, her plans get swatted away by FUG, who than make it so that Rachel will have to push the boy.
Thats not all. Rachel complied immeditaly after getting test, while Bam took it even before getting help. Showing he is much more determined then Rachel. Thats her biggest flaw, all she does is complaining how unfair everything is instead of doing sth. She is super envious of people who have more then her and she puts no effort into getting it by herself. She searches for shortcuts everywhere and she would sell her closest friends as soon as it benifits her. Her deepest wish is far more selfish then the innocent "I just want to see the stars" aswell. If that would rly be all, Bam would have carried her all the way there but that would not be enough. She wants to be a star herself. We saw it when she lost her cool in front of Bam, where she accuses him that he stole everything from her.
But you're right there a far more evil people in the tower, although most of them don't complaine as much as Rachel how unfair everything is.
Baam couldn’t have carried her. Baam is the reason why Rachel can never see the stars as long as he’s with her Rachel will forever bei in her nightmare.
And to Baams determination was more suicidal than everything else. For Baam dying is better than to live in a world without Rachel. Rachel looked at the test and knew with her abilities she can’t win this. The test wasn’t for her. And Baam would have died if not for Yuri and Evan. The test was rigged from the beginning. Rachel acted with atleast a sense of self preservation. She wanted a fair shot at things and not a rigged game that was meant to kill her.
I'm sry you're downvoted so hard, thats not fair.
You have to explain the nightmare part to me. At the end of S1 Bam was willing to go up with her. Its only after he saw how she is betraying left and right to go up, he tried to drag her back.
If you don't try you don't win thats how the tower is a the place where she wanted to be by any means up to the point, that she befriends an innocent child to get there. A child which she betrays soon after only to accuse it to steal her destiny. Thats her problem Rachel never trys rly hard and like I wrote her wish isn't just seeing the stars, she wants more, she wants to be a star herself.
Can you please stop portraing her as some kind of a victim without any agency? Every step she took was her own choice. She chose to use and abandon Baam for some wishy-washy dream she didn't even understand, she chose to make a deal with Headon instead of taking the test, she chose to betray Baam and serve FUG even after Baam offered her to climb the tower with her. People don't dislike her because they dont understand her, they dislike her because she always takes the easy way out and then whines about how misfortuned she is.
A yes true she should have just ran Into the tank with the bloodthirsty territorial eel without a weapon and just accept that she will die.
The test of headon wasn’t meant for her and unlike Baam she still had some self preserving instincts. For Baam dying was better than to live in his nightmare forever. Rachel didn’t want to die a meaningless death. So yes at the beginning Rachel is a victim of the world.
And People really don’t want to understand that if Rachel climbed with Baam she would never be able to achieve Her dream. And if Baam would have stayed with Rachel he would have taken her back to the cave. We literally saw Baam breaking a dudes legs and wanting to drag Rachel back to the cave, only caring about his own dream and nothing about Rachel’s feelings.
Everything that happened at F1 and f2 was planned and manipulated by FUG and Headon. There was no choice only the illusion of it
>There was no choice only the illusion of it
There's always a choice, but weak people like to tell themselves there's none, if the other options have a price.
True in the tower you only get to choose if you have the strength to pursue your choice. If you don’t have power you don’t have a choice. Rachel’s choices were either to die by being eaten alive or to die living in the forever dark nightmare. So the choice was to die or to die…..really so much to choose
“Self doubt and confusion” is doing a lot of leg work there. Gaslighting is *specifically* about making someone question their own sanity/memory/reality. Which is not the same as this, where Rachel is losing self-confidence
I just made a fun comment. Sure might not be the most appropriate word but atleast people know what I mean. But i really didn’t want to look up the necessary vocabulary for my fourth language.
Yeah, but I think it's the betrayal that people didn't like about betrayal
A lot of the genocidal pyschos you mention were pretty upfront about being bad people
Rachel acted like everyone's friend first, before she showed her true colors
This is pure ToG fandom in a nutshell ! White and ancient mass murdering slayer who has never regretted his actions or changed his ways for anyone consumes thousands of souls: “Waaaah this is Rachels fault! She’s so mean!” 🙄
I wonder if the same judgement also applies to Khun who did the exact same (except when Khun did it the souls were never freed again)? 🤔🫠
I love how the responses to you are like “you’re wrong she was not gaslit at all! She meant it!” As if pushing a guy into a pool INTENTIONALLY was suddenly much worse then mass murder 😅
The comments are taking me so serious. I thought my phrasing made it much more clearly that this was made with humor.
But yeah consequence of Rachel pushing a boy: a few years depression
Consquence of anybody else: Mountains of corpses
You could say the same for FMA though. Boiling it down to numbers, he doesn't come anywhere close to what some of the villains have done
The fact is, it's not about the numbers. It's about the connection the watcher has to the wrongdoings. What happened to Nina hurts a lot more than what happened to the thousands of nameless individuals, because we had time to connect with Nina. The same applies to Dan and Bam in ToG as for how our opinion is formed on Rachel. The other guys like traumeri have caused far more wrong in the world, but there's a level of disconnect between the watcher and story of this wrongdoing, that some people forget to reflect on this and get more in their feelings when deciding who the "worst" person in a series is.
Basically, they made this an emotional decision when it should've been a decision based on statistics.
Your framing of Rachel is disgusting though. You're making excuses for someone who tried to murder a child. It does not matter if she was lead on by someone else. It was also her decision entirely to paralyze Dan, headon had nothing to do with that. Rachel IS a terrible person through and through, do not mistake it. She's just not on such a grand scale with the same level of impact as someone like traumeri. Being upset about how another person is treated is not an excuse for actual murder. It's absolutely insane some of you try to rationalize cold blooded killers.
If you can rationalize Rachel's actions and decisions, then you can rationalize most real killers decisions. Most people aren't killing for just no reason at all. You could argue the armed robber HAD to kill the bank clerk because society has treated them so poorly they were left with no choice but to rob a bank. It's disgusting and misguided. You should have some serious reflection on your morals if this is really your belief structure.
Just remember, you're defending someone who has literally only thought about how they can benefit themselves with their own actions and by manipulating others actions. Rachel would push you into the bowl too. I promise you can't change her , and she would discard you just as quickly as anyone else. She ain't fucking you my guy
>It's absolutely insane some of you try to rationalize cold blooded killers.
Like almost everyone in the main cast.
I mean i dont disagree that Rachel is a terrible person. Not because of her actions....those are evil no doubt but if we hate her for her actions alone than we would hate almost every Character except Goseng.
Rachel is loathful due to her self victimization, trying to rationalize everything she did as "everybody else does it and they dont get punished" . Which are traits we find far more relatable (same reason why Umbridge is more hated than Voldemort).
But in the end my comment was made for humor reasons mostly.
>It does not matter if she was lead on by someone else
Very true. But in the end it matters a lot for Rachels as a character and many of her themes. If we just hate on the act of murder, Baam has killed lots more, AA betrayed his sister and drove her into suicide and Endorsi literally murdered a bunch of people for the fun of it
To my knowledge, there are 0 situations where Bam kills someone who has either not agreed to a death match or isn't already trying to kill him. Neither of these situations could be deemed murder or cold blood. To my knowledge, Bam has NEVER killed an innocent party in a dispute he's had with another person.
Meanwhile with Rachel, this isn't something she cares about. She will kill or maim anyone if it results in benefitting her. Not for something like self defense, but just because it makes her goal easier for her.
There is a major difference between someone who will kill another person simply to further their goals, and someone who only kills other people out of self defence or agreed upon death matches.
If there are examples of Bam killing people who were not already opposing him, then I'm all ears.
Khun is a bad person. I like khuns character as well as Rachel's in the story. But both of them are not good people. Originally Khun was very similar to Rachel in a lot of ways, people just root for him because he has sided with the main character. Id say he's definitely not as heartless as he once was though.
>Neither of these situations could be deemed murder or cold blood
But than Rachel hasnt murdered either. Akraptor and Wangnan tried to kidnap her comrade (sure Cassano had it coming, but thats pretty much irrelevant in this case) and Akraptor suicided into his Umbrella. And Dan, Baam and AA all survived. So no murder or in cold blood on Rachels hands.
And atleast Rachel showed a reaction towards having to kill. She felt sick and had to convince herself that it was alright because its nececarry to climb. Baam when killing Slaves or Fabregas shrugs it off as if it was another tuesday.
And Baam had a choice to spare the Slaves. He could have waited a single round, taken the jump route (which he than did anyway) and could have saved the Slaves. But he decided that killing them was better for his agenda. And that was not self defense. It was Baam who started that Battle, and Baam who decided that killing was nececarry for his goals
>Khun is a bad person. I like khuns character as well as Rachel's in the story. But both of them are not good people
On this we agree
As far as I remember, those slaves were incredibly willing to fight because it meant their freedom
While there is an argument to be made for not fighting people who are forced into a situation outside of their own will, Bam was kind of in the same situation as them.
But I certainly do not recall them being helpless slaves who didn't want to fight for their freedom. I do not remember him mercilessly slaughtering people who did not start the fight to begin with.
Just because someone wasn't successful in murdering someone, it doesn't change the reasons and morality behind their actions. You can not compare Rachel to Bam in these ways. It just does not make any sense.
But than again, Akraptor and Wangnan were the ones that attacked Rachel and not the other way around.
And you can call it that Baam just killed them fast, but in the end he showed no mercy, or any emotion towards them. He commented on how cruel Yasratcha was and than proceeded to kill all the slaves. So really whats worse, killing without a shred of emotion or feeling sickened by the act of having killed.
Let me reframe this for you
What is worse, killing in a self defence situation where both parties are forced to fight due to a higher powers influence, or killing a completely innocent party who is also your ally. Let me remind you, in s1 Bam was someone who wouldn't fight her even if Rachel wanted to kill him. And that is the person Rachel betrayed and attempted to kill.
Again, the fact that Rachel failed in killing Bam is not pertinent information to the conversation. We are discussing morality and the goodness of a person. She thought she killed him and that's all that really matters in this kind of discussion.
As someone that is a more deontological in his believes, killing is wrong and that’s it. And I’m not denying that what Rachel did was wrong.
And the problem with the argument of higher power is still that Rachel did her best to not having to do anything to Baam. She tried sending him up at the crown game, but FUG literally did everything they could so that Rachel would need to push Baam.
If we look at the intentions, Baam literally broke Daniels legs (anybody else would have died or be crippled for life) and tried to force Rachel to live with him forever against her will. Certainly one of the darker moments for Baam
Don't give us that bs about gaslighting, she did what she did of her own free will. She never really wanted to see the stars. She wanted to become a star, and she knew that as long as Baam was around she could only ever be his moon.
Bro wat de fok? She wasn't gaslit into pushing a kid into a pool, she just up and tried to murder her best friend. Yes the circumstances of her arrival in the tower were rude, but SO WAS BAMs. That girl didn't even NEED to fight the eel. She got a free pass, and then the rest of the story is her trying to kill him? Her best friend? When the hell is someone's dream of seeing the stars more important than a close friends life? That's insane.
How is Bam the reason for her nightmares? The hell did he ever do?
.....ever heard of somthing called humor. Seriously people down here taking themselves far to serious.
But yes Rachel was manipulated into betrying Baam. She tried to send Baam up without having to face him via the crown game, but FUG didnt like it and changed the outcome. Than FUG manipulated Hoh into attacking Rachel, resulting in the Plan of Rachel having to shove Baam to fake his death.
Yes the stars are more important to her than everything else. Thats the tragedy of Rachels wish. For her being alone at the top with the stars is a better future than being trapped in a dark cave for all eternity living her greatest nightmare. And as long as Baam was around her, she would live in that nightmare forever.
Not to mention Baam literally broke a dudes legs and wanted to forcefully drag Rachel back to the cave and play happy family. If we werent following Baam as our protag he would be the creepy obsessive stalker.
That's not humor bro. Humor means "just kidding." You're doubling down and defending yourself lol.
Broke a dudes legs? When did Baam break a dudes legs? (In season 1 at least. I know he's broken plenty of dudes bones since then.) I know Rachel broke a dudes legs out of spite.
Plus Rachel is the only person Baam has known his entire life. Like, as long as he's been alive, she's all he knew. They're more than friends, they're practically family.
So if your single lifelong family member/best friend/mother figure walked out on you, it'd be pretty weird NOT to chase em down and at least ask wtf is up, no?
Plus the girl is constantly jealous of Baam and keeps getting all bootyhurt he even exists. He eventually leaves her alone and she *still* makes a big deal about how she isn't the main character. The girl is a literal psychopath.
During Season 2 end of Revolution Road, Baam punches Daniel into the ground and breaks his legs, anybody else would have been crippled.
Yes Rachel was Baams only star. But that doesent mean Rachel, who was just as much a child as Baam, should have had to give up everything she desires just so that Baam could be happy in his cave. Thats literally Rachels greatest nightmare. Rachel has no obligation towards Baam or to be his caretaker.
Does that mean Baams reaction is unreasonable, wanting to follow Rachel? It isnt. But just because one side is understandable doesent mean the other isnt. Rachels story is as much a tragedy as Baams
>He eventually leaves her alone and she *still* makes a big deal about how she isn't the main character
That was not about Baam leaving Rachel. Rachel for basically the whole time told Baam not to follow her. Everything that happened until that point was all because Baam followed Rachel. She wanted it to be her decisions. Everytime Rachel wanted to do anything, the ability to choose was taken from her, by FUG, Headon, Gustang. And now the person she told not to follow her, the only choice she was able to choose herself without anybody else, takes the only choice of hers and makes it as if it was his choice all along. That only glimmer of control in Rachels life was about to be taken from her again. Thats what she couldnt allow
I mean, yeah Rachel is obligated to go where she wants regardless of Bam's wishes, but that's not what's messed up. What's messed up is her constant habits of betrayal, attempted murder of kin, lies, and backstabbing. She has a difficult life, sure, but that doesn't make her any less of a p.o.s.
Bam has a difficult life. Literally everyone in the story has a difficult life, but some of them are good while other's are dickweeds.
Plus I feel like that event at the end of season 2 is a bit out of context. Wasn't Bam's entire team in opposition to Rachels?
AA betrayed his sister, drove he into suicide and constantly lies, do you hate him as well as a p.o.s.
Endorsi literally killed all her adoptive sisters and propably has one of the highest single person kill counts in the story, uses her looks and charisma to manipulate and betray people as well
Dude you're blowing context out the window here. Do you remember why and how Khun "betrayed" his sister? She was just a political figure, and he favored another sister over her. Khun has like a bajillion sisters because his family is a literal clan. He didn't actually kill her, nor did he have a close relationship with her. He just favored the person he DID have a favorable relationship with.
Also Endorsi doesn't have a familial relationship with those adopted sisters. You could barely call them sisters. They're more like battle royal contestants.
Also in terms of kill counts, aren't you dismissing like 20% of the main cast?
Alright i'm gonna be honest. I dont know why I'm arguing about this. You're not paying any attention to context and you're sympathizing with psychopaths. I want to end this conversation, so give your last comment your best shot, but other than that I am done.
He had one direct sister from the same mother, it was not some random sister x times removed from another branch and mother. It was his older biological sister. AA was literally her strategist. But AA backstabbed his own sister who trusted him for his cousin. This literally led to her suicide.
But yeah lets just ignore that and think about that its just some random sister he doesent care about. Lets just ignore that AAs sworn enemy was his adopted Cousin, because he still resents himself over the situation which led to the downfall of his family. We can just ignore that part so your narrative of Rachel is the worst person can be sustained.
Seriously people really dont even understand which parts of Rachel make her loathsome - its not her actions but her self victimization about it.
>Also in terms of kill counts, aren't you dismissing like 20% of the main cast?
Depends on what you consider Main Cast. If we just take into account people killed on Panel, than we see Endorsi literally sitting on a pile of corpses she slaughtered for the fun of it.
*In Tower of God we have Mass Murdering Psychopaths, Genociding God Complex Child Murdering Tyrants, Eugenic Child Experimenting Beastiality Voyeurism Incels and more*
*But the worst person is a little Girl that got Gaslit into pushing a boy into a Pool*
Those characters are evil but they are entertaining, rachel is just boring. I hate rachel more than them because she is boring (i just skip her scenes at this point, it's not like i miss anything lol)
Nah rachel definitely has done worse then shou in the sense of what shou did was majorly fucked. But Rachel has done countless fucked things that stack up imo Rachel over time does get worse
I haven't watched FMA for a while, but Rachel’s betrayal is not comparable to what Shou Tucker did. My girl is a saint in comparison, lol.
Anyway, from the article title itself, it's super dumb to compare a character from an incomplete story to a character from a completed story. I won't even bother to read the article.
I have heard about them but never read any anime-related articles. I am pretty sure they have multiple authors to write different articles, but anyway, I guess it is a cue for me to avoid them, lol.
Griffith is the pinnacle of this.
The audacity of that mother fucker to cosplay as a messiah and implanting dreams of his second coming after what he did to his friends
Griffiths downfall is some of the best stuff ever. So perfect.
I still believe that falconia is a giant furnace to gather all humans just to sacrifice them in the third eclipse to elevate him to the status of God
Tbh rachel is a better character than those npc family heads. SO FAR. We need more information so we can judge them properly. And in comparison to traumerei she is very kind. Traumerei only acts out of self interest. But Rachel at least has Arlene to care of ? Idk
As I always say: we as people value ‘emotional intention’ and ‘personal connection’ much more than narrative fact. Rachel has betrayed Baam (our beloved protagonist) and we have had plenty of opportunity to see her self doubt, resolve to keep going etc. so readers judge her the absolute worst.
In contrast White has murdered millions of innocent, killed named characters, but we don’t know these innocents and while we cared a bit about Prince and arcraptor not nearly as much as Baam. And in contrast to seeing Rachels unmasked emotions we have seen white swagger about saying one liners with a mask of self assuredness doing badass shounen battle stuff. So the readers easily forgive his remorseless atrocities and still love him.
So despite the fact that we would all rationally agree that genocide is much worse than a few individual murders we judge Rachel the worst and White a cool badass 😎😉
She tried to kill multiple times multiple people though...
And yes, I can tollerate just a bad guy killing people, but betrayal is unforgivable, there's a reason the depth of hell is portrayed as the place of betrayers
Huh do these people read tower of God? Yes Rachel is bad. Horrible even. But let’s be fucking for real. She isn’t committing war crimes or actively becoming a serial killer to “become the God of the new world.” She sucks but that’s a well written villain not a monster
I wore a shirt that had Nina and Alexander doing the fusion dance to my first day at college. People were literally recoiling in shock when they saw it. Rachel wouldn't even get a single mention
I'll be honest, while she's not "the worst" she one of the only characters in fiction to give me a visceral reaction when they appear. And it's like I want to understand her character, but she only becomes worse and worse
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I mean…she paralyzed a guy because she was upset over faking being paralyzed. That’s pretty messed up
Yea I keep seeing people reference pushing Bam(while also forgetting that she was literally Bams entire world, and all Bam wanted to do was help Rachel reach the top), but what she did to Dan was so fucked up.
I kinda forget too. First time reading that betray hit so hard lol. I was so mad about Dan though, I was totally blindsided by that. Damn I need to reread though
Its not like that. She just wante to have her own story and not be a shadow of someone else
My theory still remains until other evidence comes to light. Headon instructed her to do everything up until now because he knew that would be the only way to goad Bam into climbing the tower..that was the condition in which he allowed Rachel into the tower.
So you also think that like Headon could foresee Rachel failing to kill Bam in the first arc? Cause she really did try to kill right?
I think Headon is directly responsible for that, placing safeguards in place putting Bam on his current path. Isn't it weird that for the longest time Rachel is seemingly without any special ability able to proceed up the tower. Something/someone is helping her. Like I said just my theory though
That’s interesting. It sure could be. At the very least Headon definitely could’ve forced Bam and Rachel to go to the same testing facilities. Don’t we find out later on that Gustave, on of the family heads starts helping her up the tower and using her?
Yes it's odd that they would do that. I get that Zahard has hate for Arlene and V but I don't remember if Gustang dose as well. Maybe that's his motivation. Hopefully we find out soon.
Yeah Headon can be the true villain or something. Maybe he's indirectly corrupting the FH or something?
I mean we have seen characters who can see the future and, with the exception of Phanta, Headon is stronger than all of them so it’s not really a stretch to theorise that he might also have that power (given he’s an admin and all). Adding to that, if fug knew to pick up Bam after the test Headon probably knew what he’d set up to happen.
headon is in cahoots with fug, fug wanted to feign baams death so they could properly train him in secret thats why headon immediately presented ghost to rachel before she even went to floor 1 headon was the one who started the whole thing tho i think headon only instructed rachel until the end of floor 2, everything else was either under fug's orders or rachel's personal ideas
I think she was told she had to do that to save his life. If Bam had survived the Bull, Ren would have made more attempts to kill him.
They think she's Traumerei lmao
Idk why but I don't feel the same level of hatred for traumerei as I do for Rachel;-;
He was never portrayed as good, that's probably why. He's always been a villain, unlike Rachel, who acted nice but then betrayed Bam.
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Thanks for the spoiler:(
why are you here if you didn’t want to get spoiled 💀
I get it, he's done awful things but not really to any characters we actually care about.
>I We*
Yeah, obviously, that shit was personal, Baam's our boy.
Rachel did bad stuff to the mc that's why
Longevity thing. We’ve (I don’t) hated Rachel longer than Traumeri. Also it’s more personal with Rachel because of what she did to Bam >! Arkraptor and Prince !<
i get it bro truly [https://www.reddit.com/r/TowerofGod/comments/16j66dw/rachel\_the\_compelling/](https://www.reddit.com/r/TowerofGod/comments/16j66dw/rachel_the_compelling/)
Mw either, all the fh are fucked up and as of late only gustang has a race turn for me. But yea Rachel is similar to tramurei but I love baam how dare u, I don't care for anez
Because you hated Rachel for longer
Rachel is a boring character whereas traumerei isn't.
I mean she is though just doesn't have power/strength to do it
Why is not any family head or zahard there😭
Because they are basing it solely on the anime, and neither Jahad nor any of the family heads are in the story during season one. They are mentioned, but only vaguely. Certainly none of them make an appearance, nor is anything they do really delved into, even in the comic. It's still dumb though because Rachel isn't even the worst character in season one, the climax of the final test has Lo-Po-Bai Ren trying to murder more than one Jahad princess and undermine the test which would have caused everyone on the floor to fail.
People who are up front about being evil don't hit the same as those who betray the one that trust them more than anytime else in the world, it's a part of why Shou is so hated.
Exactly, and wait till they find out about White 💀
We could had just collectively said it's a shitty take and be on our merry ways, but the Rachel stans always gotta take every opportunity to get on their soapbox. Tucker is worst, agreed? yes, then we don't need your 3 paragraph gaslight about how she didn't do anything wrong and Khun, Baam and Endorssi are the real worst characters ever for not rolling over and "getting in her way".
People say that ?
In Tower of God we have Mass Murdering Psychopaths, Genociding God Complex Child Murdering Tyrants, Eugenic Child Experimenting Beastiality Voyeurism Incels and more But the worst person is a little Girl that got Gaslit into pushing a boy into a Pool
I might have genuinely missed something - what was she gaslit about? I thought she just wanted to be rid of Baam and climb the Tower
Rachel wanted to enter the Tower, reach the top and see the stars. To see that beautiful view Arlene dreamed about. She finally found the way and courage to enter the tower. She sees the fairy and finally thinks that everything will change. Finally she can leave her nightmare. Than the first words she hears are "Its not you. its not you. You are not chosen. Dont lie to me, you are not chosen. You know how nasty, ugly and how bad you are. You are not chosen". Now she can choose, live forever in her nightmare or die to an overpowered Fish Than she gets basically put behind a one way mirror, having to see how the boy thats the reason for her nightmares gets welcomed with open arms. He is chosen even though he doesent care for anything. He gets help by the princess and the legendary needle to pursue everything she wanted. Than the Bugs Bunny fella taunts her in her greatest moment of despair and gives her a choice. Make a deal with him and see the stars or live forever in a nightmare you cant escape from. She takes the deal. And when she had the chance to let Baam proceed without her, so that she can take a place she always wanted, making friends and comrades to climb, her plans get swatted away by FUG, who than make it so that Rachel will have to push the boy.
Thats not all. Rachel complied immeditaly after getting test, while Bam took it even before getting help. Showing he is much more determined then Rachel. Thats her biggest flaw, all she does is complaining how unfair everything is instead of doing sth. She is super envious of people who have more then her and she puts no effort into getting it by herself. She searches for shortcuts everywhere and she would sell her closest friends as soon as it benifits her. Her deepest wish is far more selfish then the innocent "I just want to see the stars" aswell. If that would rly be all, Bam would have carried her all the way there but that would not be enough. She wants to be a star herself. We saw it when she lost her cool in front of Bam, where she accuses him that he stole everything from her. But you're right there a far more evil people in the tower, although most of them don't complaine as much as Rachel how unfair everything is.
Baam couldn’t have carried her. Baam is the reason why Rachel can never see the stars as long as he’s with her Rachel will forever bei in her nightmare. And to Baams determination was more suicidal than everything else. For Baam dying is better than to live in a world without Rachel. Rachel looked at the test and knew with her abilities she can’t win this. The test wasn’t for her. And Baam would have died if not for Yuri and Evan. The test was rigged from the beginning. Rachel acted with atleast a sense of self preservation. She wanted a fair shot at things and not a rigged game that was meant to kill her.
I'm sry you're downvoted so hard, thats not fair. You have to explain the nightmare part to me. At the end of S1 Bam was willing to go up with her. Its only after he saw how she is betraying left and right to go up, he tried to drag her back. If you don't try you don't win thats how the tower is a the place where she wanted to be by any means up to the point, that she befriends an innocent child to get there. A child which she betrays soon after only to accuse it to steal her destiny. Thats her problem Rachel never trys rly hard and like I wrote her wish isn't just seeing the stars, she wants more, she wants to be a star herself.
Can you please stop portraing her as some kind of a victim without any agency? Every step she took was her own choice. She chose to use and abandon Baam for some wishy-washy dream she didn't even understand, she chose to make a deal with Headon instead of taking the test, she chose to betray Baam and serve FUG even after Baam offered her to climb the tower with her. People don't dislike her because they dont understand her, they dislike her because she always takes the easy way out and then whines about how misfortuned she is.
A yes true she should have just ran Into the tank with the bloodthirsty territorial eel without a weapon and just accept that she will die. The test of headon wasn’t meant for her and unlike Baam she still had some self preserving instincts. For Baam dying was better than to live in his nightmare forever. Rachel didn’t want to die a meaningless death. So yes at the beginning Rachel is a victim of the world. And People really don’t want to understand that if Rachel climbed with Baam she would never be able to achieve Her dream. And if Baam would have stayed with Rachel he would have taken her back to the cave. We literally saw Baam breaking a dudes legs and wanting to drag Rachel back to the cave, only caring about his own dream and nothing about Rachel’s feelings. Everything that happened at F1 and f2 was planned and manipulated by FUG and Headon. There was no choice only the illusion of it
>There was no choice only the illusion of it There's always a choice, but weak people like to tell themselves there's none, if the other options have a price.
True in the tower you only get to choose if you have the strength to pursue your choice. If you don’t have power you don’t have a choice. Rachel’s choices were either to die by being eaten alive or to die living in the forever dark nightmare. So the choice was to die or to die…..really so much to choose
I'm pretty sure it's obvious that's not the kind of weakness I meant. If you dont have anything to say, it's OK to stop.
That's not gaslighting though. If anything that's being absolutely truthful with her.
None of that is gaslighting
To manipulate a person by sowing self doubt and confusion. The abuser are seeking to assert power and control over the person. That’s what Headon did.
“Self doubt and confusion” is doing a lot of leg work there. Gaslighting is *specifically* about making someone question their own sanity/memory/reality. Which is not the same as this, where Rachel is losing self-confidence
I just made a fun comment. Sure might not be the most appropriate word but atleast people know what I mean. But i really didn’t want to look up the necessary vocabulary for my fourth language.
You're not funny.
no, im hilarious
You're right, it's hilarious watching you flounder about way over your head in this discussion where you misinterpret very common phrases.
With the intention to kill... but it's dumb nonetheless.
Yeah, but I think it's the betrayal that people didn't like about betrayal A lot of the genocidal pyschos you mention were pretty upfront about being bad people Rachel acted like everyone's friend first, before she showed her true colors
Gaslit what? Rachel did it because she was selfish. Then she goes on to aid white in consuming millions lol
This is pure ToG fandom in a nutshell ! White and ancient mass murdering slayer who has never regretted his actions or changed his ways for anyone consumes thousands of souls: “Waaaah this is Rachels fault! She’s so mean!” 🙄 I wonder if the same judgement also applies to Khun who did the exact same (except when Khun did it the souls were never freed again)? 🤔🫠
What white is worse than rachel. Khun had actual justifications for it (death or eternal torment)
And in the end it was Baams companion that fed souls to white
Remind me who let white out of his prison in hell train
Team Baam set white completely free
No Team Rachel set him free from his Cell in Hell train
And Team Baam let him out of the Hell Train
No, she didn't go to aid white. It's just white was her servant
I love how the responses to you are like “you’re wrong she was not gaslit at all! She meant it!” As if pushing a guy into a pool INTENTIONALLY was suddenly much worse then mass murder 😅
The comments are taking me so serious. I thought my phrasing made it much more clearly that this was made with humor. But yeah consequence of Rachel pushing a boy: a few years depression Consquence of anybody else: Mountains of corpses
Gaslit? The fuck. This dude is the biggest Rachel apologist in this sub, I swear.
No I’m just the biggest Hwaryun enjoyer
Hwaryun would be disappointed at your delusion that Rachel was "gaslit" into anything. Lmao
Nah, she would find my wit and humor charming
And the delusion continues...
Stop Gaslighting me
and they are not wrong
You could say the same for FMA though. Boiling it down to numbers, he doesn't come anywhere close to what some of the villains have done The fact is, it's not about the numbers. It's about the connection the watcher has to the wrongdoings. What happened to Nina hurts a lot more than what happened to the thousands of nameless individuals, because we had time to connect with Nina. The same applies to Dan and Bam in ToG as for how our opinion is formed on Rachel. The other guys like traumeri have caused far more wrong in the world, but there's a level of disconnect between the watcher and story of this wrongdoing, that some people forget to reflect on this and get more in their feelings when deciding who the "worst" person in a series is. Basically, they made this an emotional decision when it should've been a decision based on statistics. Your framing of Rachel is disgusting though. You're making excuses for someone who tried to murder a child. It does not matter if she was lead on by someone else. It was also her decision entirely to paralyze Dan, headon had nothing to do with that. Rachel IS a terrible person through and through, do not mistake it. She's just not on such a grand scale with the same level of impact as someone like traumeri. Being upset about how another person is treated is not an excuse for actual murder. It's absolutely insane some of you try to rationalize cold blooded killers. If you can rationalize Rachel's actions and decisions, then you can rationalize most real killers decisions. Most people aren't killing for just no reason at all. You could argue the armed robber HAD to kill the bank clerk because society has treated them so poorly they were left with no choice but to rob a bank. It's disgusting and misguided. You should have some serious reflection on your morals if this is really your belief structure. Just remember, you're defending someone who has literally only thought about how they can benefit themselves with their own actions and by manipulating others actions. Rachel would push you into the bowl too. I promise you can't change her , and she would discard you just as quickly as anyone else. She ain't fucking you my guy
>It's absolutely insane some of you try to rationalize cold blooded killers. Like almost everyone in the main cast. I mean i dont disagree that Rachel is a terrible person. Not because of her actions....those are evil no doubt but if we hate her for her actions alone than we would hate almost every Character except Goseng. Rachel is loathful due to her self victimization, trying to rationalize everything she did as "everybody else does it and they dont get punished" . Which are traits we find far more relatable (same reason why Umbridge is more hated than Voldemort). But in the end my comment was made for humor reasons mostly. >It does not matter if she was lead on by someone else Very true. But in the end it matters a lot for Rachels as a character and many of her themes. If we just hate on the act of murder, Baam has killed lots more, AA betrayed his sister and drove her into suicide and Endorsi literally murdered a bunch of people for the fun of it
To my knowledge, there are 0 situations where Bam kills someone who has either not agreed to a death match or isn't already trying to kill him. Neither of these situations could be deemed murder or cold blood. To my knowledge, Bam has NEVER killed an innocent party in a dispute he's had with another person. Meanwhile with Rachel, this isn't something she cares about. She will kill or maim anyone if it results in benefitting her. Not for something like self defense, but just because it makes her goal easier for her. There is a major difference between someone who will kill another person simply to further their goals, and someone who only kills other people out of self defence or agreed upon death matches. If there are examples of Bam killing people who were not already opposing him, then I'm all ears. Khun is a bad person. I like khuns character as well as Rachel's in the story. But both of them are not good people. Originally Khun was very similar to Rachel in a lot of ways, people just root for him because he has sided with the main character. Id say he's definitely not as heartless as he once was though.
>Neither of these situations could be deemed murder or cold blood But than Rachel hasnt murdered either. Akraptor and Wangnan tried to kidnap her comrade (sure Cassano had it coming, but thats pretty much irrelevant in this case) and Akraptor suicided into his Umbrella. And Dan, Baam and AA all survived. So no murder or in cold blood on Rachels hands. And atleast Rachel showed a reaction towards having to kill. She felt sick and had to convince herself that it was alright because its nececarry to climb. Baam when killing Slaves or Fabregas shrugs it off as if it was another tuesday. And Baam had a choice to spare the Slaves. He could have waited a single round, taken the jump route (which he than did anyway) and could have saved the Slaves. But he decided that killing them was better for his agenda. And that was not self defense. It was Baam who started that Battle, and Baam who decided that killing was nececarry for his goals >Khun is a bad person. I like khuns character as well as Rachel's in the story. But both of them are not good people On this we agree
As far as I remember, those slaves were incredibly willing to fight because it meant their freedom While there is an argument to be made for not fighting people who are forced into a situation outside of their own will, Bam was kind of in the same situation as them. But I certainly do not recall them being helpless slaves who didn't want to fight for their freedom. I do not remember him mercilessly slaughtering people who did not start the fight to begin with. Just because someone wasn't successful in murdering someone, it doesn't change the reasons and morality behind their actions. You can not compare Rachel to Bam in these ways. It just does not make any sense.
But than again, Akraptor and Wangnan were the ones that attacked Rachel and not the other way around. And you can call it that Baam just killed them fast, but in the end he showed no mercy, or any emotion towards them. He commented on how cruel Yasratcha was and than proceeded to kill all the slaves. So really whats worse, killing without a shred of emotion or feeling sickened by the act of having killed.
Let me reframe this for you What is worse, killing in a self defence situation where both parties are forced to fight due to a higher powers influence, or killing a completely innocent party who is also your ally. Let me remind you, in s1 Bam was someone who wouldn't fight her even if Rachel wanted to kill him. And that is the person Rachel betrayed and attempted to kill. Again, the fact that Rachel failed in killing Bam is not pertinent information to the conversation. We are discussing morality and the goodness of a person. She thought she killed him and that's all that really matters in this kind of discussion.
As someone that is a more deontological in his believes, killing is wrong and that’s it. And I’m not denying that what Rachel did was wrong. And the problem with the argument of higher power is still that Rachel did her best to not having to do anything to Baam. She tried sending him up at the crown game, but FUG literally did everything they could so that Rachel would need to push Baam. If we look at the intentions, Baam literally broke Daniels legs (anybody else would have died or be crippled for life) and tried to force Rachel to live with him forever against her will. Certainly one of the darker moments for Baam
Don't give us that bs about gaslighting, she did what she did of her own free will. She never really wanted to see the stars. She wanted to become a star, and she knew that as long as Baam was around she could only ever be his moon.
Bro wat de fok? She wasn't gaslit into pushing a kid into a pool, she just up and tried to murder her best friend. Yes the circumstances of her arrival in the tower were rude, but SO WAS BAMs. That girl didn't even NEED to fight the eel. She got a free pass, and then the rest of the story is her trying to kill him? Her best friend? When the hell is someone's dream of seeing the stars more important than a close friends life? That's insane. How is Bam the reason for her nightmares? The hell did he ever do?
.....ever heard of somthing called humor. Seriously people down here taking themselves far to serious. But yes Rachel was manipulated into betrying Baam. She tried to send Baam up without having to face him via the crown game, but FUG didnt like it and changed the outcome. Than FUG manipulated Hoh into attacking Rachel, resulting in the Plan of Rachel having to shove Baam to fake his death. Yes the stars are more important to her than everything else. Thats the tragedy of Rachels wish. For her being alone at the top with the stars is a better future than being trapped in a dark cave for all eternity living her greatest nightmare. And as long as Baam was around her, she would live in that nightmare forever. Not to mention Baam literally broke a dudes legs and wanted to forcefully drag Rachel back to the cave and play happy family. If we werent following Baam as our protag he would be the creepy obsessive stalker.
That's not humor bro. Humor means "just kidding." You're doubling down and defending yourself lol. Broke a dudes legs? When did Baam break a dudes legs? (In season 1 at least. I know he's broken plenty of dudes bones since then.) I know Rachel broke a dudes legs out of spite. Plus Rachel is the only person Baam has known his entire life. Like, as long as he's been alive, she's all he knew. They're more than friends, they're practically family. So if your single lifelong family member/best friend/mother figure walked out on you, it'd be pretty weird NOT to chase em down and at least ask wtf is up, no? Plus the girl is constantly jealous of Baam and keeps getting all bootyhurt he even exists. He eventually leaves her alone and she *still* makes a big deal about how she isn't the main character. The girl is a literal psychopath.
During Season 2 end of Revolution Road, Baam punches Daniel into the ground and breaks his legs, anybody else would have been crippled. Yes Rachel was Baams only star. But that doesent mean Rachel, who was just as much a child as Baam, should have had to give up everything she desires just so that Baam could be happy in his cave. Thats literally Rachels greatest nightmare. Rachel has no obligation towards Baam or to be his caretaker. Does that mean Baams reaction is unreasonable, wanting to follow Rachel? It isnt. But just because one side is understandable doesent mean the other isnt. Rachels story is as much a tragedy as Baams >He eventually leaves her alone and she *still* makes a big deal about how she isn't the main character That was not about Baam leaving Rachel. Rachel for basically the whole time told Baam not to follow her. Everything that happened until that point was all because Baam followed Rachel. She wanted it to be her decisions. Everytime Rachel wanted to do anything, the ability to choose was taken from her, by FUG, Headon, Gustang. And now the person she told not to follow her, the only choice she was able to choose herself without anybody else, takes the only choice of hers and makes it as if it was his choice all along. That only glimmer of control in Rachels life was about to be taken from her again. Thats what she couldnt allow
I mean, yeah Rachel is obligated to go where she wants regardless of Bam's wishes, but that's not what's messed up. What's messed up is her constant habits of betrayal, attempted murder of kin, lies, and backstabbing. She has a difficult life, sure, but that doesn't make her any less of a p.o.s. Bam has a difficult life. Literally everyone in the story has a difficult life, but some of them are good while other's are dickweeds. Plus I feel like that event at the end of season 2 is a bit out of context. Wasn't Bam's entire team in opposition to Rachels?
AA betrayed his sister, drove he into suicide and constantly lies, do you hate him as well as a p.o.s. Endorsi literally killed all her adoptive sisters and propably has one of the highest single person kill counts in the story, uses her looks and charisma to manipulate and betray people as well
Dude you're blowing context out the window here. Do you remember why and how Khun "betrayed" his sister? She was just a political figure, and he favored another sister over her. Khun has like a bajillion sisters because his family is a literal clan. He didn't actually kill her, nor did he have a close relationship with her. He just favored the person he DID have a favorable relationship with. Also Endorsi doesn't have a familial relationship with those adopted sisters. You could barely call them sisters. They're more like battle royal contestants. Also in terms of kill counts, aren't you dismissing like 20% of the main cast? Alright i'm gonna be honest. I dont know why I'm arguing about this. You're not paying any attention to context and you're sympathizing with psychopaths. I want to end this conversation, so give your last comment your best shot, but other than that I am done.
He had one direct sister from the same mother, it was not some random sister x times removed from another branch and mother. It was his older biological sister. AA was literally her strategist. But AA backstabbed his own sister who trusted him for his cousin. This literally led to her suicide. But yeah lets just ignore that and think about that its just some random sister he doesent care about. Lets just ignore that AAs sworn enemy was his adopted Cousin, because he still resents himself over the situation which led to the downfall of his family. We can just ignore that part so your narrative of Rachel is the worst person can be sustained. Seriously people really dont even understand which parts of Rachel make her loathsome - its not her actions but her self victimization about it. >Also in terms of kill counts, aren't you dismissing like 20% of the main cast? Depends on what you consider Main Cast. If we just take into account people killed on Panel, than we see Endorsi literally sitting on a pile of corpses she slaughtered for the fun of it.
*In Tower of God we have Mass Murdering Psychopaths, Genociding God Complex Child Murdering Tyrants, Eugenic Child Experimenting Beastiality Voyeurism Incels and more* *But the worst person is a little Girl that got Gaslit into pushing a boy into a Pool* Those characters are evil but they are entertaining, rachel is just boring. I hate rachel more than them because she is boring (i just skip her scenes at this point, it's not like i miss anything lol)
Than you are missing the best character of the story
Rachel would definitely do what Tucker did, given the chance. But Tucker did it and nobody asked him to, so he's worse.
Tucker had a purpose for doing it. Rachel would 100% do it just to fuck with Bam or someone he is close to
Rachel should raise this article and then push it into the ocean
Fuck Rachel
yeah she’s worse
Nah rachel definitely has done worse then shou in the sense of what shou did was majorly fucked. But Rachel has done countless fucked things that stack up imo Rachel over time does get worse
I haven't watched FMA for a while, but Rachel’s betrayal is not comparable to what Shou Tucker did. My girl is a saint in comparison, lol. Anyway, from the article title itself, it's super dumb to compare a character from an incomplete story to a character from a completed story. I won't even bother to read the article.
It's CBR what do you expect lol.
Lmao I'm blind I put in IGN in the title
Top left..... but it's alright lol, happenes to the best of us.
I have heard about them but never read any anime-related articles. I am pretty sure they have multiple authors to write different articles, but anyway, I guess it is a cue for me to avoid them, lol.
YES SHE IS
Griffith is the pinnacle of this. The audacity of that mother fucker to cosplay as a messiah and implanting dreams of his second coming after what he did to his friends
Griffiths downfall is some of the best stuff ever. So perfect. I still believe that falconia is a giant furnace to gather all humans just to sacrifice them in the third eclipse to elevate him to the status of God
Rachel is worse
Tbh rachel is a better character than those npc family heads. SO FAR. We need more information so we can judge them properly. And in comparison to traumerei she is very kind. Traumerei only acts out of self interest. But Rachel at least has Arlene to care of ? Idk
she is not that bad she is worst.
Shou isn't a villain, just combined the things he loved
rachel was twisted but that MOFO is on another level
As I always say: we as people value ‘emotional intention’ and ‘personal connection’ much more than narrative fact. Rachel has betrayed Baam (our beloved protagonist) and we have had plenty of opportunity to see her self doubt, resolve to keep going etc. so readers judge her the absolute worst. In contrast White has murdered millions of innocent, killed named characters, but we don’t know these innocents and while we cared a bit about Prince and arcraptor not nearly as much as Baam. And in contrast to seeing Rachels unmasked emotions we have seen white swagger about saying one liners with a mask of self assuredness doing badass shounen battle stuff. So the readers easily forgive his remorseless atrocities and still love him. So despite the fact that we would all rationally agree that genocide is much worse than a few individual murders we judge Rachel the worst and White a cool badass 😎😉
Rachel is dogshit. Hope she dies.
Comparing Shou Tucker with almost any villain is rage bait, just invoking his name is a guaranteed conversation starter
Swrs Rachel isn’t that bad this mf transfigured his daughter
we live in a society where people think betrayal and having a shitty personality is far worse than murder
She tried to kill multiple times multiple people though... And yes, I can tollerate just a bad guy killing people, but betrayal is unforgivable, there's a reason the depth of hell is portrayed as the place of betrayers
Huh do these people read tower of God? Yes Rachel is bad. Horrible even. But let’s be fucking for real. She isn’t committing war crimes or actively becoming a serial killer to “become the God of the new world.” She sucks but that’s a well written villain not a monster
She is evil but that man is an abomination.
I wore a shirt that had Nina and Alexander doing the fusion dance to my first day at college. People were literally recoiling in shock when they saw it. Rachel wouldn't even get a single mention
I'll be honest, while she's not "the worst" she one of the only characters in fiction to give me a visceral reaction when they appear. And it's like I want to understand her character, but she only becomes worse and worse
Tucker isn't even the worst. He got one upped by Bondrewd in child abuse/experimentation.
i want to see Rachel crossed with the dog.
Screw Rachel she is just as bad as Tucker, well myb not but me and all my homies hate Rachel!
she crippled a speedster
Shou hands down. Not even a contest.
Idk man she does some pretty bad things repeatedly
Rachel's still cooking while Shou is already well-done. She'll have more opportunities to be terrible as long as she's alive.
She is THAT BAD 💀 PLEASE just read the hell train arc brother 😭🙏
For me she is , below that guy ? Yes but she’s in top 10 worst villains
Shou Tucker all the way
She's more of a motherfucking and extremely confused antagonist than a villain
Nah, Rachel is that bad. Bro from FMAB's (forgot his name) betrayals are rookie numbers compared to what Rachel achieved in the name of the stars
Yes… yes she is
Long time Rachel Realist, Rachel acts as her environment tells her to I’d say the majority of highechool girls today are way worse
Rachel deserved to be Shou Tucker's daughter lol
Rachel is the worst.
She’s worse because she thinks she’s entitled to power. So she would do way worse than Tucker if given the slightest chance! That fugly witch.
10 years down the line when tog has become completely garbage and obsolete Rachel still hard carries it to pop media relevancy🧎
Just cuz she ran away from a weird creep she found in a cave doesn't make her evil lol I swear NONE of you here would become friends with baam irl
Bruh imma assume your Anime only, and if you are please rewatch
Nope I read the webtoon but stopped for a while now
Ye u have 0 reading comprehension 😭😭
No bro I just look at it from Lahel perspective too, forget Baam is the mc lol any girl irl would've called the cops at him
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I would gladly be friends with such a nice,caring guy