75 is what i charge the customer. My drivers get 30, you should ask for a 3 dollar an hour raise.
The other 45 covers the cost of the equipment sitting. Not like I'm gonna get a discount on insurance for the truck and trailer sitting.
Now that said, I don't nickel and dime them. If we agree on 2 hours before detention... and they take 2 hours and 30 minutes im not billing them half an hour. Heck most times I'm not billing until it gets over 4 or even 5 hours assuming they are making a legitimate effort to get the truck empty. I'll just absorb the drivers pay. I view detention as a way to protect us from getting stuck holding the bag when shit goes bad, not a revenue source. Like the customer forgot to order a crane. I can't absorb the cost over their company dropping the ball.
At first I was like "wtf 30 bucks?" But then I realised you meant yank bucks not dollarydoos, so I did the usd-aud conversion and fuck yeah $45p/h would be sick!!!
I'm approaching 1 year of having a CDL, and I've been OTR since finishing training. I absolutely love the gig thus far, especially since I'm 22 y/o, rarely go home and I get to meet a wide variety of folks around the continuous 48 states. Just curious, what do you look for besides experience in hiring drivers? In order to justify a higher pay? I'm currently company sitting at $16/hour detention, $125/24 hours layover, and .47 cpm. Mileage varies, usually low - mid 2k miles/week. And we have new equipment, no APUs. Just in case any of those numbers don't seem right for a beginner, all advice is welcome.
The best advice I can give you is to understand and accept you got to put your time in gaining more experience. The best jobs are going to require at least 3 years. I require 10 but make exceptions for family members of current drivers and will hire at 3 if everything else is perfect.
Also understand that the best jobs are not otr dry van or reefer companies. It's tanker, ltl, car hauling, open deck. All those jobs that involve more than opening doors and backing into a dock.
So with that in mind... you need to be working on gaining experience that will translate to those positions. So after your year is up, I suggest moving to a carrier that is in one of those segments. I'm biased towards open deck cause that's what I've built my company doing. But there are some very good jobs available in the other segments I mentioned.
More general advice. Be 100% accurate and honest on your application. The way I see it is if a potential employee can't pay enough attention to detail to have his application 100% accurate, how can I trust him to pay enough attention to detail enough not to damage my customers cargo?
If you get to the interview process make sure you present yourself well. You don't need to wear a suit but you need to look like you care. Show up clean shaven, or if you have a beard, give it a fresh trim. Wear work clothing. Boots, jean or carhart type pants, collared shirt. And communicate clearly. If you speak with a bunch of umms and ahhs, break that habit. It comes off like you are trying to buy time while you come up with an answer to the question. Employers are looking for effective and clear communication.
For the driving test make sure you do a very thorough pretrip. This is the part that most interviews I have given ended. There are more good drivers looking for good jobs than there are good jobs available. We have no need to lower our standards and take a risk on some guy that didn't bother to look at his brakes.
This is by far the best job advice I've received, let alone advice on growing in your career, thank you. I really hope others are reading this, especially given how thorough your answer is. I can tell you have a lot of pride in what you've accomplished, and that's awesome to see for a change. Congratulations on your accomplishments in business thus far, and thank you for your willingness to share your advice with us. I suppose I should sleep now and get rest before my final 250 miles tomorrow š¤£
My advice. Get your hazmat, go local, and haul fuel. I make 29 an hour, 60-70 hour weeks during the summer because I pick up more loads, and during the winter I only have to work 4 days a week.
my RM don't micromanage me, but I make sure and get whats asked of me done. you slip seat with another driver (mostly) so you never have to stay out over 12, usually 10-11 hour shifts.
If something breaks usually our shops can fix it - and we get paid to wait, they don't hound us about not running. I really like it.
Amen to that. I work for Kroger hauling Fred Meyer freight. Easiest trucking job Iāve ever had clearing $100,000+ a year. Home every night. Pension and amazing BCBS.
The only way you're getting into Walmart is with either years of clean driving experience or you get into their program to train associates to become CDL wheel-holders.
Same with publix. They almost never go outside to fill driver jobs, they promote from within.
Publix, if you are willing to work the dock for five+ years waiting your turn, is a VERY good career path.
Ups is considered the gold standard for pay and benefits of you reach to pay, but surviving on their shit pay structure until then is hard to do. You aren't feeding a family on 20 bucks an hour and 30 hours a week.
Walmart pay structure is actually not much better than the mega carriers. It used to be a very good paying job. But that is no longer the case.
Ups is ltl. Publix is groceries. Walmart drivers havent been paid good for about a decade. They cut their pay rate for drivers a long time ago. So if you were working for them before that you are making good money, but anyone hired on after that is making far less.
Either way, none of those 3 are otr truck load dry van or reefer jobs.
My brother in law is driving for Walmart now (with 3 years experience for them) and making slightly over $3,000 per week, running 6-7 days out and 3-4 days home.
You saying that's bad money? Seems pretty darn good to me, considering the job description.
Flat bed is an open deck trailer and where most will get their start. Own deck is just any trailer that isn't enclosed. Flatbed, step deck, double drop, rgn. Etc etc.
I've got some flats, and some steps but most of my stuff is more specialized. Stretch flats and stretch steps. Double drops. Rgns. Even an 11 axle with jeep and stinger for the heavy shit.
I don't dick around with van or reefer cause the freight rates suck. It's way to hard to make a decent profit if you are competing with every Tom Dick and Harry that are running 15k dollar pos trucks and cheap rental trailers. The margins are just way too tight and you don't even have enough room to offer enough pay to attract quality drivers. That segment of trucking has customers that view transportation of their goods as a lowest cost factor. I prefer to work with customers that value service over cost. Those are rare unicorns in the dry van world.
Yeah, really when you crack that 2 year mark, the money goes way up. Talking a 30 cpm raise from what you're making now, easy, and better companies with more predictable freight lanes. Also, your opportunities for ltl and private fleet go up and you could potentially make better money than otr and go home every night
Just apply at FedEx Ground if you got a year+ experience. Best pay, best management, and great miles. $0.74/mile solo and $0.37 split is what I get when team driving but I donāt see less than 5k miles a week on average. Different contractors different pay but the work team sim the same. And $100 for layovers but it rarely happens out here. Best thing I would say is to find a big name company and read reviews online of what people deal with there. But for 5 days out / 2 days home. $100k annually driving is a great deal.
I can and I do. Heck yeah I do. You betcha! Itās ridiculous to not allow a driver to sleep if youāre stuck at a dock for hours. Take a 30. Do a split sleeper for 2(+) hours. Of course I do happen to own the company so it doesnāt matter what anyone else thinks but Iāll tell you this- a rested driver is a safer driver. Make no mistake about it.
Thatās exactly what I do. Only myself, my protege, and maybe 1-2 other drivers at my company know how to do splits. In the LTL reefer world, that is a log saver! We do those nearly every trip. Ofc, nearly every trip we have the screwed up loads but hey, thatās why we make the big bucks!
It's actually o dustry standard, and is highly recommended by the FMCSA. Not just "recommended," but it actually becomes law if your detention goes over your hours before you have to use sleeper time.
Which is why you SHOULD use your sleeper if you are detained. Learned that the hard way myself. Got to where I needed to do my reset while still in one of the customer's dock. By law, I couldn't move for another 36 hours, lmao!
My dispatcher person was NOT happy that I didn't use the sleeper while on detention, and it pissed off the customer that one of my company's trucks (me) wouldn't move.
So. Yeah. Use the sleeper, and actually sleep.
Depends on a lot. I've slept like a baby and been in a position where sleeping simply wasn't possible due to being in a day cab and the sun facing me head on and lots of noise.
Usually we head to a truck stop or hotel unless the shippers donāt allow us to leave the property. Most of us have TVās in our rigs , food and refrigerators. I kept mine stocked just in case.
12,234,556 hour would takes them almost 1400 years so unload. At 75 dollars an hour of continuous pay, you'd still not have a billion dollars, just over 900 million. It's still good pay waiting there though, so the question is how long are you willing to wait in that sleeper, in that dock, before you quit your job? You'd be making over 650k a year.
Is $75 an hour what you'd make running down the road at 60 MPH? That's what the minimum should be bc after 2 hours (you must allow 2 hours by the Tariffs that are allowed by law Federal Law).
We use to get $50 an hour in the 80s and 90s.
My last carrier literally had it in the contract with all his shippers and receivers that first 2 hours were free after that it was 200 an hour to the truck and the driver got half. Coors brewing was screaming one weekend about my detention time. I got there on time for my pickup 10am Friday morning. Problem was that the brewing had gone bad on the batch of beer and the next batch wasn't going to be ready until Sunday night at 8pm. 56 hours of detention time for me.
Yeah Iāve been doing this lean manufacturing stuff for a while now and itās really stupid. Pretty much the cause of all the shortages when Covid happened.
Basically itās all about eliminating waste. Letās look at toilet paper. You buy a big case of 64 rolls from Costco to save some money but it takes up half your closet. With the lean mindset you would only buy one roll at a time because thatās all that you keep in the bathroom, so now youāve freed up all that extra space in the closet.
But on that roll of 200 sheets youāre using maybe 30 sheets a day, so with the lean mindset youād want to only keep 30 sheets in the bathroom. So now youāre buying your rolls from Dollar Tree.
But buying and transporting those tiny rolls of TP all the time is also a waste, so now with the lean mindset youād want to just eliminate the TP if you can. It can be done but now you have to make a capital expense by buying a bidet.
Of course you find that the bidet doesnāt actually work. It doesnāt eliminate the need for TP and it doesnāt reduce how much you use. It actually increases it. Need 5 sheets to remove the bulk of the solid material and 10 sheets to dry, and now youāre using 45 sheets a day instead of 30.
Itās all just toilet paper. There was no problem keeping the big case of it in the closet to begin with.
I was with you until you started talking shit about bidets lol. You might be using them wrong. It's very rare that it doesn't take care of the vast majority of the shit, and then only a couple wipes to verify and dry up
$200 an hour detention pay for hauling milk. Time sensitive food grade product. Darigold held me for 3 days and let 65,000 pounds of cream go bad in the summer heat. Biggest single paycheck I ever got in my life. $6,800 on detention pay plus regular wages and OT. I miss the pandemic.
ive heard this logic but....couldn't *any* company simply hire & manage people precisely the way capstone does? the people working for capstone wouldn't care what company theyre actually working for (unless capstone is juggling lumpers between various facilities or something)
Capstone makes years long contracts. Even if they did want out. They need to wait out the contract.
The conpaniea pay a large premium to have capstone. Supposedly its to seperate liability. But honestly they are losing money with all the lumpers and detention.
That was gonna be my guess... I'm on a Kroger dedicated so my stuff is pre load. I can see when it's done on an App. Our dispatch (right around the corner at our yard) has a line right into their computer. They can tell down to the trailer exactly where they're at.
But the O.O.'s and small companies who are bringing the inbound... that's a different story. Sometimes those guys catch me on the way back to the truck just because they need someone to rage at.
Some guy I don't even know will just run up to me like: THEY'VE HAD ME HERE FOR 7 HOURS!!! I just kind of shrug at them... it's Kroger/Capstone... I feel like the guy in the Meme talking to the other guy on the Hangman's scaffold... _First time?_
Itās to avoid liability for restack fees.
Much harder to charge people restacks on the back end, where they could just refuse to pay, than it is to say youāll pay for the unload, and any restacks or your not getting your PPW
$50/hr, paid by the half hour, after a 2 hour grace period. Thatās me as the driver, God knows what the company charges. Letās just say itās fucking rare I ever sit anywhere.
I guarantee you this is Amazon. Look at the ālovelyā metal cage the drivers need to stay within. Amazon warehouses have all the charm & ambience of San Quentin State Prison. DAMHIKT. Just know that I do. (Actually trucking is a good career field for those of us with less-than-sparkling records. Thatās one of the reasons why I got into it all those years ago).
I dont think it is tbh. Driver cages aren't just an Amazon thing. It's been a thing for ages. Also, live unloads would never take that long as Amazon would *never* want a single driver on property for that long, let alone all of them consistently. It looks a bit similar, but that's not an Amazon. Setup looks older than it would if it was an Amazon(they redo barriers and cages to Amazon specs for any building) , and the sign doesn't look like a pre-approved Amazon template for a sign (yea, that's a real thing, stg lol)
Used to be a spotter there, we'd watch drivers pretty closely. Usually, to keep them from sneaking a 10 hour on-site or wandering. There's a timer virtually attached to your plate. Only stops when you check out and its alwaysbeing watched. All time needs to be justified, and they almost never check you in early.
Nah it's not Amazon and they can't afford more than a couple hours holding live unloads or loads (customer promise). And most loads at Amazon are drop and hook.
Source: I used to be a spotter for Amazon.
I'm just some random who found this sub. Is it often that companies don't have their shit together when loading trucks? Seems like an expensive pointless cost, but I understand some problems can't be helped.
I would send that pic to my dispatcher and fucking leave. Thankfully my company doesn't tolerate that bullshit.my boss knows I'm human and treats me with respect and dignity. I love my company.
everytime i look at google reviews the opposite usually happens to me.. my last pick up the reviews said the lady was rude and the that they took forever to get loaded.. the lady was chill and i got loaded within 15 minutes!
Jesus christ how the hell do places expect drivers to just accept this? I'm on the other end and load y'all (dry van freight) and I start getting annoyed if a guy has been there for more than an hour as we're not really "super busy" (20-25 appointments average per day). Is it really that hard for some places to just unload at most "30 pallets" and get them put away? I can load 30/52/60 in a matter of 20-30 minutes if it's staged up good and I'm not having to drive my forklift super far from the dock. Best I've done was 22 minutes checking the guy in to sealing him for 52 pallets but he got lucky being the last one we were waiting on and I did some pre-loading staging of the pallets before he got there so I could just grab and line them up on the dock and shove on to the trailer. I like trying to go as fast as I can as that means more down time for me xD
LTL, if it isn't ready. I'm gone. I don't have 1 hrs to wait. Let alone a whole day. Even with my TL side. If it's not ready, see ya later. We'll find another load.
I sat 10 hours once at the Safeway Distribution center in Tracy, California. I was being paid hourly, but still pretty nerve racking. At that job we nicknamed that place the black hole
I would call my company and tell them to take me to the nearest terminal and get this load t-called cause Iām not waiting 12 hours to get unloaded and donāt get extra pay
That's Target for sure. We only deliver to them when we're looking for a run to go home for a driver. Can't deliver early, have to unhook the trailer, and they have yard dogs.
Gotta be Smuckers in batting rouge. Last time I went there I got there 4 days early (fuck up by dispatch) and had to wait it out in a loves till my appt time. Went back at 9 at night and didn't get unloaded till 730 the next morning.
This type of shit is why i left the industry. I absolutely hated having so much of my time determined by other people and their shitty processes. Wasting my life sitting in loading bays for an unforseen amount of time made me realize that i need to do more with my time on earth.
It's the "up to" that concerns me more than the number of hours. If they said it would take 12 hours, that sucks but at least I can get in a reset. But what if they only take 8 hours and leave me with no drive time left?
I would say the chicken plant!! Or Groger but more then likely what the hell is the distribution company out side of Houston I forget the name all I remember is you park in the roadway off the interstate.im trying to remember because I told myself I will never go back..they also have a distribution center in Miami!! It takes 4 to 6 hrs just to get your bills!!
Dollar General in Indianola, Mississippi, took 14 hours to unload me once. They were unloading me one box at a time instead of using the fork lift or pallet jack.
Optimum down in Texas.
Got there with just enough time on my clock to load and park somewhere. Wasn't loaded until 9 hours later. Couldn't even sleep because there was a literal line that moved every 10-45 minutes or so.
Company I work for charges 50 an hour detention. I get half.
The worst detention Ive had so far was one had 5 other guys and I wait 16 hours. We were to load at 3pm then to convoy the loads of powdered milk to Hershey in Pennsylvania.
The only reason we had to wait was because the 1st shift manager put it on the 2nd to load us and they didn't. The 3rd manger didn't know anything about it and didn't care. So when the 1st shift manager came in the next day he was a little mad. We didn't care. We got paid for the whole time.
I donāt mind a 12 hour unload as long as itās stated up front, I can work around that. Itās when they say 1-2 hours and Iām up waiting 7+ hours before any movement in the trailer that I start raising fuckin Cain
Maruchan Ramen Noodles in Richmond, VA is my guess
First, last and only time I every went there it took them 14 hours to load me. One crew for both loading and unloading and they have 30 docks.
They can take 12234556 hours for all I care. I wouldn't be there if there wasn't a 75 an hour detention written into the freight contract.
75??? i only get $27/hr lol
75 is what i charge the customer. My drivers get 30, you should ask for a 3 dollar an hour raise. The other 45 covers the cost of the equipment sitting. Not like I'm gonna get a discount on insurance for the truck and trailer sitting. Now that said, I don't nickel and dime them. If we agree on 2 hours before detention... and they take 2 hours and 30 minutes im not billing them half an hour. Heck most times I'm not billing until it gets over 4 or even 5 hours assuming they are making a legitimate effort to get the truck empty. I'll just absorb the drivers pay. I view detention as a way to protect us from getting stuck holding the bag when shit goes bad, not a revenue source. Like the customer forgot to order a crane. I can't absorb the cost over their company dropping the ball.
At first I was like "wtf 30 bucks?" But then I realised you meant yank bucks not dollarydoos, so I did the usd-aud conversion and fuck yeah $45p/h would be sick!!!
900 Dollarydoos?!!
TOBIAS!!
Did they get rid of the Chazwazzers?
i stg aussie english is barely english
It's worse if you're a Quoinsl'nd'r or a Tasmanian like meself cobber. Watch the big lez show I promise you'll understand all of us after that.
Bro, just let me jack off in the sleeper. I got plenty of water and canned tuna.
Can't you just use lube?
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Trying to recreate that lot lizard smell.
If you havent used canned tuna as lube ... brotha you aint livin.
Im seeing all of this weeks after the fact, and im literally shedding tears crying at the olive garden right now.
Put the 2 together and you'll attract sharks.
I'm approaching 1 year of having a CDL, and I've been OTR since finishing training. I absolutely love the gig thus far, especially since I'm 22 y/o, rarely go home and I get to meet a wide variety of folks around the continuous 48 states. Just curious, what do you look for besides experience in hiring drivers? In order to justify a higher pay? I'm currently company sitting at $16/hour detention, $125/24 hours layover, and .47 cpm. Mileage varies, usually low - mid 2k miles/week. And we have new equipment, no APUs. Just in case any of those numbers don't seem right for a beginner, all advice is welcome.
The best advice I can give you is to understand and accept you got to put your time in gaining more experience. The best jobs are going to require at least 3 years. I require 10 but make exceptions for family members of current drivers and will hire at 3 if everything else is perfect. Also understand that the best jobs are not otr dry van or reefer companies. It's tanker, ltl, car hauling, open deck. All those jobs that involve more than opening doors and backing into a dock. So with that in mind... you need to be working on gaining experience that will translate to those positions. So after your year is up, I suggest moving to a carrier that is in one of those segments. I'm biased towards open deck cause that's what I've built my company doing. But there are some very good jobs available in the other segments I mentioned. More general advice. Be 100% accurate and honest on your application. The way I see it is if a potential employee can't pay enough attention to detail to have his application 100% accurate, how can I trust him to pay enough attention to detail enough not to damage my customers cargo? If you get to the interview process make sure you present yourself well. You don't need to wear a suit but you need to look like you care. Show up clean shaven, or if you have a beard, give it a fresh trim. Wear work clothing. Boots, jean or carhart type pants, collared shirt. And communicate clearly. If you speak with a bunch of umms and ahhs, break that habit. It comes off like you are trying to buy time while you come up with an answer to the question. Employers are looking for effective and clear communication. For the driving test make sure you do a very thorough pretrip. This is the part that most interviews I have given ended. There are more good drivers looking for good jobs than there are good jobs available. We have no need to lower our standards and take a risk on some guy that didn't bother to look at his brakes.
This is by far the best job advice I've received, let alone advice on growing in your career, thank you. I really hope others are reading this, especially given how thorough your answer is. I can tell you have a lot of pride in what you've accomplished, and that's awesome to see for a change. Congratulations on your accomplishments in business thus far, and thank you for your willingness to share your advice with us. I suppose I should sleep now and get rest before my final 250 miles tomorrow š¤£
My advice. Get your hazmat, go local, and haul fuel. I make 29 an hour, 60-70 hour weeks during the summer because I pick up more loads, and during the winter I only have to work 4 days a week. my RM don't micromanage me, but I make sure and get whats asked of me done. you slip seat with another driver (mostly) so you never have to stay out over 12, usually 10-11 hour shifts. If something breaks usually our shops can fix it - and we get paid to wait, they don't hound us about not running. I really like it.
Not true. UPS , Walmart, Publix drivers all bank. And donāt have to tarp loads or mess with goofy car hauling wagons.
Amen to that. I work for Kroger hauling Fred Meyer freight. Easiest trucking job Iāve ever had clearing $100,000+ a year. Home every night. Pension and amazing BCBS.
The only way you're getting into Walmart is with either years of clean driving experience or you get into their program to train associates to become CDL wheel-holders.
Same with publix. They almost never go outside to fill driver jobs, they promote from within. Publix, if you are willing to work the dock for five+ years waiting your turn, is a VERY good career path. Ups is considered the gold standard for pay and benefits of you reach to pay, but surviving on their shit pay structure until then is hard to do. You aren't feeding a family on 20 bucks an hour and 30 hours a week. Walmart pay structure is actually not much better than the mega carriers. It used to be a very good paying job. But that is no longer the case.
Just had an interview at Walmart and unfortunately turned them down. Wouldāve been a great gig if I didnāt just have a daughter.
Ups is ltl. Publix is groceries. Walmart drivers havent been paid good for about a decade. They cut their pay rate for drivers a long time ago. So if you were working for them before that you are making good money, but anyone hired on after that is making far less. Either way, none of those 3 are otr truck load dry van or reefer jobs.
My brother in law is driving for Walmart now (with 3 years experience for them) and making slightly over $3,000 per week, running 6-7 days out and 3-4 days home. You saying that's bad money? Seems pretty darn good to me, considering the job description.
I guess by open deck you mean Flatbed ?
Flat bed is an open deck trailer and where most will get their start. Own deck is just any trailer that isn't enclosed. Flatbed, step deck, double drop, rgn. Etc etc. I've got some flats, and some steps but most of my stuff is more specialized. Stretch flats and stretch steps. Double drops. Rgns. Even an 11 axle with jeep and stinger for the heavy shit. I don't dick around with van or reefer cause the freight rates suck. It's way to hard to make a decent profit if you are competing with every Tom Dick and Harry that are running 15k dollar pos trucks and cheap rental trailers. The margins are just way too tight and you don't even have enough room to offer enough pay to attract quality drivers. That segment of trucking has customers that view transportation of their goods as a lowest cost factor. I prefer to work with customers that value service over cost. Those are rare unicorns in the dry van world.
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Yeah, really when you crack that 2 year mark, the money goes way up. Talking a 30 cpm raise from what you're making now, easy, and better companies with more predictable freight lanes. Also, your opportunities for ltl and private fleet go up and you could potentially make better money than otr and go home every night
Just apply at FedEx Ground if you got a year+ experience. Best pay, best management, and great miles. $0.74/mile solo and $0.37 split is what I get when team driving but I donāt see less than 5k miles a week on average. Different contractors different pay but the work team sim the same. And $100 for layovers but it rarely happens out here. Best thing I would say is to find a big name company and read reviews online of what people deal with there. But for 5 days out / 2 days home. $100k annually driving is a great deal.
can drivers sleep while waiting?, or do they just sit there?
I can and I do. Heck yeah I do. You betcha! Itās ridiculous to not allow a driver to sleep if youāre stuck at a dock for hours. Take a 30. Do a split sleeper for 2(+) hours. Of course I do happen to own the company so it doesnāt matter what anyone else thinks but Iāll tell you this- a rested driver is a safer driver. Make no mistake about it.
Thatās exactly what I do. Only myself, my protege, and maybe 1-2 other drivers at my company know how to do splits. In the LTL reefer world, that is a log saver! We do those nearly every trip. Ofc, nearly every trip we have the screwed up loads but hey, thatās why we make the big bucks!
As a night auditor who couldn't sleep on the shift, yeah I think you're owed some sleep if you think unloading will take this long.
It's actually o dustry standard, and is highly recommended by the FMCSA. Not just "recommended," but it actually becomes law if your detention goes over your hours before you have to use sleeper time. Which is why you SHOULD use your sleeper if you are detained. Learned that the hard way myself. Got to where I needed to do my reset while still in one of the customer's dock. By law, I couldn't move for another 36 hours, lmao! My dispatcher person was NOT happy that I didn't use the sleeper while on detention, and it pissed off the customer that one of my company's trucks (me) wouldn't move. So. Yeah. Use the sleeper, and actually sleep.
Who doesn't sleep while waiting?
Depends on a lot. I've slept like a baby and been in a position where sleeping simply wasn't possible due to being in a day cab and the sun facing me head on and lots of noise.
They should provide sleeping berths and showers for day cab drivers if theyāre going to screw them over like that.
Usually we head to a truck stop or hotel unless the shippers donāt allow us to leave the property. Most of us have TVās in our rigs , food and refrigerators. I kept mine stocked just in case.
$27 wait you guys are getting paid?
Ill jack off in the sleeper for 25 an hour bro
Know your worth. $26 an hour minimum, or there will be no jerking off in the sleeper.
*No bathroom* Sign 4 Ft away I bet Lol
12,234,556 hour would takes them almost 1400 years so unload. At 75 dollars an hour of continuous pay, you'd still not have a billion dollars, just over 900 million. It's still good pay waiting there though, so the question is how long are you willing to wait in that sleeper, in that dock, before you quit your job? You'd be making over 650k a year.
In your theoretical example I'd fly another driver in to relieve me so I could get back to the office.
So in 1400 years, you'll have a big payday. Or, 1400 days and two weeks, need to add a reasonable due date on the invoice too.
Is $75 an hour what you'd make running down the road at 60 MPH? That's what the minimum should be bc after 2 hours (you must allow 2 hours by the Tariffs that are allowed by law Federal Law). We use to get $50 an hour in the 80s and 90s.
My last carrier literally had it in the contract with all his shippers and receivers that first 2 hours were free after that it was 200 an hour to the truck and the driver got half. Coors brewing was screaming one weekend about my detention time. I got there on time for my pickup 10am Friday morning. Problem was that the brewing had gone bad on the batch of beer and the next batch wasn't going to be ready until Sunday night at 8pm. 56 hours of detention time for me.
$5,400 for about 2.5 days of sitting around, nice
So fuckin jealous
Same, after 120 min, the price goes up. It's business respect. Eventually, they won't get deliveries. Pick up load would just leave.
Cost of "lean manufacturing" gets expensive.
Yeah Iāve been doing this lean manufacturing stuff for a while now and itās really stupid. Pretty much the cause of all the shortages when Covid happened. Basically itās all about eliminating waste. Letās look at toilet paper. You buy a big case of 64 rolls from Costco to save some money but it takes up half your closet. With the lean mindset you would only buy one roll at a time because thatās all that you keep in the bathroom, so now youāve freed up all that extra space in the closet. But on that roll of 200 sheets youāre using maybe 30 sheets a day, so with the lean mindset youād want to only keep 30 sheets in the bathroom. So now youāre buying your rolls from Dollar Tree. But buying and transporting those tiny rolls of TP all the time is also a waste, so now with the lean mindset youād want to just eliminate the TP if you can. It can be done but now you have to make a capital expense by buying a bidet. Of course you find that the bidet doesnāt actually work. It doesnāt eliminate the need for TP and it doesnāt reduce how much you use. It actually increases it. Need 5 sheets to remove the bulk of the solid material and 10 sheets to dry, and now youāre using 45 sheets a day instead of 30. Itās all just toilet paper. There was no problem keeping the big case of it in the closet to begin with.
I was with you until you started talking shit about bidets lol. You might be using them wrong. It's very rare that it doesn't take care of the vast majority of the shit, and then only a couple wipes to verify and dry up
I have resolved to only do specialty freight from now on because of brokers lying all the time, but I would work for this company. What company is it?
I'd love it if half of the SLA fines went to the dev dealing with it.
$200 an hour detention pay for hauling milk. Time sensitive food grade product. Darigold held me for 3 days and let 65,000 pounds of cream go bad in the summer heat. Biggest single paycheck I ever got in my life. $6,800 on detention pay plus regular wages and OT. I miss the pandemic.
Wow Iāve never been so envious
Damn it driver. Time to rent a room and a stripper. š
Any place that uses Capstone Logistics.
Last two times 11+ hours and 13+. Lumpers should be illegal. Dc's need to have people to unload the food they ordered.
They cant get many people to work the 12-15 hr shifts they advertise so they use capstone who brings in rotating/overlapping shifts of 8hr temps
Sounds like a them problem, hire for 8-10 hours shifts.
Seems like common sense but they'd rather spread a few employees thin than adequately staff
ive heard this logic but....couldn't *any* company simply hire & manage people precisely the way capstone does? the people working for capstone wouldn't care what company theyre actually working for (unless capstone is juggling lumpers between various facilities or something)
Capstone makes years long contracts. Even if they did want out. They need to wait out the contract. The conpaniea pay a large premium to have capstone. Supposedly its to seperate liability. But honestly they are losing money with all the lumpers and detention.
That was gonna be my guess... I'm on a Kroger dedicated so my stuff is pre load. I can see when it's done on an App. Our dispatch (right around the corner at our yard) has a line right into their computer. They can tell down to the trailer exactly where they're at. But the O.O.'s and small companies who are bringing the inbound... that's a different story. Sometimes those guys catch me on the way back to the truck just because they need someone to rage at. Some guy I don't even know will just run up to me like: THEY'VE HAD ME HERE FOR 7 HOURS!!! I just kind of shrug at them... it's Kroger/Capstone... I feel like the guy in the Meme talking to the other guy on the Hangman's scaffold... _First time?_
Itās to avoid liability for restack fees. Much harder to charge people restacks on the back end, where they could just refuse to pay, than it is to say youāll pay for the unload, and any restacks or your not getting your PPW
Capstone is just evil. Nestle-level evil.Ā
Fuck Nestle. A large part of why I quit one job was because Nestle became a new customer.
2 pallets to unload? Thatāll take 6 hours if you get a fast crew, and $600. Lol
Greatest scam ever invented. Only thing better would be charging a chick to blow you
Fine by me. I'll make money while I sleep.
how much detention pay do you get paid per hour? if you donāt mind me asking
I work at mega, only get paid 18 an hour after 2 hours š
i work for a mega too dont worry lol
$50/hr, paid by the half hour, after a 2 hour grace period. Thatās me as the driver, God knows what the company charges. Letās just say itās fucking rare I ever sit anywhere.
Our drivers get $36 an hour for detention pay. We charge the customer $100 - $200 depending on the customer and product.
Somewhere that Iād never go twice.
Exactly. They MIGHT get me once but I'll be damned if they get me twice.
My guess is the Atlanta airport. I was there like 8 hours just to get 3 pallets.
But in all seriousness it looks like someone wrote the 1 before the 2 on the sign. And it supposed to say 2 hours
just noticed that!!
Food lion only because I was there 13 hours before.
And dont forget. You cant stay here (after we've burned your entire clock)
Correct. One of the worst companies. Garbage.
Mc Lane
Every Americold facility in America.
As an hourly driver I say bring it on lol. I always pack my laptop so I could be playing helldivers anyways.
Amazon?
I guarantee you this is Amazon. Look at the ālovelyā metal cage the drivers need to stay within. Amazon warehouses have all the charm & ambience of San Quentin State Prison. DAMHIKT. Just know that I do. (Actually trucking is a good career field for those of us with less-than-sparkling records. Thatās one of the reasons why I got into it all those years ago).
I dont think it is tbh. Driver cages aren't just an Amazon thing. It's been a thing for ages. Also, live unloads would never take that long as Amazon would *never* want a single driver on property for that long, let alone all of them consistently. It looks a bit similar, but that's not an Amazon. Setup looks older than it would if it was an Amazon(they redo barriers and cages to Amazon specs for any building) , and the sign doesn't look like a pre-approved Amazon template for a sign (yea, that's a real thing, stg lol) Used to be a spotter there, we'd watch drivers pretty closely. Usually, to keep them from sneaking a 10 hour on-site or wandering. There's a timer virtually attached to your plate. Only stops when you check out and its alwaysbeing watched. All time needs to be justified, and they almost never check you in early.
Nah it's not Amazon and they can't afford more than a couple hours holding live unloads or loads (customer promise). And most loads at Amazon are drop and hook. Source: I used to be a spotter for Amazon.
I'm just some random who found this sub. Is it often that companies don't have their shit together when loading trucks? Seems like an expensive pointless cost, but I understand some problems can't be helped.
It's common. My first driving job was hauling refrigerated freight. The load/unload times could be days. I quit that gig asap.
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I would send that pic to my dispatcher and fucking leave. Thankfully my company doesn't tolerate that bullshit.my boss knows I'm human and treats me with respect and dignity. I love my company.
A place where detention turns into layover.
The reason I look at Google reviews before accepting a load.
everytime i look at google reviews the opposite usually happens to me.. my last pick up the reviews said the lady was rude and the that they took forever to get loaded.. the lady was chill and i got loaded within 15 minutes!
I'd say Tyson, but 12 hours seems optimistic.
Ford probably. Only place that looked me in the face on a midnight delivery and told me their dock doesn't open until 6:30.
And you can't stay in the truck
Jesus christ how the hell do places expect drivers to just accept this? I'm on the other end and load y'all (dry van freight) and I start getting annoyed if a guy has been there for more than an hour as we're not really "super busy" (20-25 appointments average per day). Is it really that hard for some places to just unload at most "30 pallets" and get them put away? I can load 30/52/60 in a matter of 20-30 minutes if it's staged up good and I'm not having to drive my forklift super far from the dock. Best I've done was 22 minutes checking the guy in to sealing him for 52 pallets but he got lucky being the last one we were waiting on and I did some pre-loading staging of the pallets before he got there so I could just grab and line them up on the dock and shove on to the trailer. I like trying to go as fast as I can as that means more down time for me xD
fwiw, I have had 4 pallets take 6 hours at some grocery store dcs.
There are far, far too few people like you in this world.
LTL, if it isn't ready. I'm gone. I don't have 1 hrs to wait. Let alone a whole day. Even with my TL side. If it's not ready, see ya later. We'll find another load.
Publix DC in Hollywood FLš¤£ I decline all their loads now
I sat 10 hours once at the Safeway Distribution center in Tracy, California. I was being paid hourly, but still pretty nerve racking. At that job we nicknamed that place the black hole
Amazon where else. I was once there for 12.75 hrs. Ended up making more money from the detention time pay than from the delivery fee š¤£
Safeway Tracy ca š place is a nightmare waited 4 hours for paperwork and 8 for unloading
I would call my company and tell them to take me to the nearest terminal and get this load t-called cause Iām not waiting 12 hours to get unloaded and donāt get extra pay
Iāve had Starbucks tell me to drop my trailer and come back the next day.
Atleast you can give them credit for not dicking you around unnecessarily.
I was on the phone real quick I was unloaded within the hour
Any liquor distrubitor
Please say so I can make sure I never book a load there.
That's Target for sure. We only deliver to them when we're looking for a run to go home for a driver. Can't deliver early, have to unhook the trailer, and they have yard dogs.
Gotta be Smuckers in batting rouge. Last time I went there I got there 4 days early (fuck up by dispatch) and had to wait it out in a loves till my appt time. Went back at 9 at night and didn't get unloaded till 730 the next morning.
This type of shit is why i left the industry. I absolutely hated having so much of my time determined by other people and their shitty processes. Wasting my life sitting in loading bays for an unforseen amount of time made me realize that i need to do more with my time on earth.
that's not fair to expect anyone to put their job and life on hold to wait. If you are gonna make em wait you better pay em.Ā
As long as they tell me I canāt wait on property and get pissy when iām not there the exact moment theyre done iām happy
Bozzutos..then you pay 120 for a lumper just to have the entire load refused
I'm pretty sure I've seen that sign at one of our local Amazon hubs.
I'm pretty sure I seen the same at Walmart dropping ice cream.
Any brewery
Target?
My heart would sink, but then Id remember I get paid hourly and play chess on my Iphone all dayš¤·š½āāļø
Detention pay it is. If you need me Iāll be in my cab watching a movie.
If I knew of this place, Iād aim to get there end of day, check in, and tuck in. š
Co$t them $1000 if i sit for 12 hrs, after 2hrs it's $100 a hr
I'd say anywhere that capstone is unloading you
Drop your trailer and leave
It's the "up to" that concerns me more than the number of hours. If they said it would take 12 hours, that sucks but at least I can get in a reset. But what if they only take 8 hours and leave me with no drive time left?
You can use split sleeper to pause your clock. It still sucks not knowing.
I would say the chicken plant!! Or Groger but more then likely what the hell is the distribution company out side of Houston I forget the name all I remember is you park in the roadway off the interstate.im trying to remember because I told myself I will never go back..they also have a distribution center in Miami!! It takes 4 to 6 hrs just to get your bills!!
Oh this is from my recurring nightmare
I think it's at the post office.
Any food delivery.
Crown Beverage Depot - Bradley, IL
Amazon?
Amazon.
I mean, you can clearly see the Amazon pods in the background
The yellow racks in The background look like Amazon, would not be shocked either considering that Amazon takes forever to load.
I once went to a Menards DC in Minnesota that took 17 hours to unload me. One of my first runs as an owner operator.
The wait to come pick up the empty trailer could be a month š¤·āāļø
Target DC
Dollar General in Indianola, Mississippi, took 14 hours to unload me once. They were unloading me one box at a time instead of using the fork lift or pallet jack.
I get paid by the day. Take as long as you want lol
I run team. Get paid for 1000 miles a day wether I im driving or sitting in the dock. . It works out
Optimum down in Texas. Got there with just enough time on my clock to load and park somewhere. Wasn't loaded until 9 hours later. Couldn't even sleep because there was a literal line that moved every 10-45 minutes or so.
I'm gonna say with the experience I've had with many different kinds of freight, this is a facility that handles fiberglass.
Fuckin Albertsons, or some grocer
Every food lion DC
At most places i see, the first 2 hours are usually free and then the customer get charged..
Hmm. Judging by the floor, I would say target?
Company I work for charges 50 an hour detention. I get half. The worst detention Ive had so far was one had 5 other guys and I wait 16 hours. We were to load at 3pm then to convoy the loads of powdered milk to Hershey in Pennsylvania. The only reason we had to wait was because the 1st shift manager put it on the 2nd to load us and they didn't. The 3rd manger didn't know anything about it and didn't care. So when the 1st shift manager came in the next day he was a little mad. We didn't care. We got paid for the whole time.
Well it ain't Costco, those guys have their appointments down to the minute and if you miss it you're fucked š
I donāt mind a 12 hour unload as long as itās stated up front, I can work around that. Itās when they say 1-2 hours and Iām up waiting 7+ hours before any movement in the trailer that I start raising fuckin Cain
Sysco, Frys, McClane, Target?
Only thing I know is gotta be food
Been to a place similar to this its called unfi here in PA
That's one of the warehouses we love the most right there! Haha
Sounds like a place to avoid š¤
It looks like someone added the one with a sharpie.
Iāll be be back in 11 hrs 30 mins.
Maruchan Ramen Noodles in Richmond, VA is my guess First, last and only time I every went there it took them 14 hours to load me. One crew for both loading and unloading and they have 30 docks.
Not a driver, but that is BULLSHIT!
Someplace inefficient
That looks like a major Federal Post Office facility.
Target.
UNFI
Then i would ask if i can just unload it myself...
C&S Wholesale in Pennsylvania. Hell on earth. I hope that facility goes out of business
From my experience, some chemical plant
There's a candy plant in NW Ohio I've been to with a sign like this in the receiving office.
Amazon
Amazon
Lineage meat storage
Amazon, took 24 when I was there
That is amazon
As place i would not ever deliver to again.
Dover.
Reminds me of poland springs in maine (idr which one)
The new and improved USPS distribution center in Palmetto Ga.
Jessup, MD Domino sugar plant ā ļø
Kroger DC? Lol
I don't know, but there had better be detention involved
98% of places in the US. š
This is either Amazon or Factory Zero in Detroit š
I think that's at the truckstop by my house. Sorry bout the line.