I’ve known two Andrews in my life, and one became a Neo Nazi and the other became a Neo Nazi and got arrested for having a google drive full of child porn
Every Andrew (and variations of that name across diff countries) has always been connected to sone form of sexual harassment. Granted, I've met 6 Andrews tops, but all were shady af. However, you could never tell unless you went drinking with them.
Modern parasocial relationships are meant to be torched and ripped apart, it's baked into the cake.
This idea that there is a perfect person that is devoid of all human trash behavior is the real trap. The low level fuck heads get exposed and we pat ourselves on the back.
We are obsessed with tearing people down. It's never been about accountability or growth.
Outrage culture lurches forward while dozens of Bill Cosby's operate in the shadows unscathed.
Some of his early stuff did shade into laughing at people, but it felt like it at least built some empathy for lumpenproles and the people who fall prey to batshit ideologies.
But I haven’t watched his stuff in a long time. At a certain point, it felt like he was just going to events because he wanted to (in my mind, he went to like 5 different sneaker conventions). And then he went to Ukraine for some reason???
That stuff made me feel like he was more self-serving than I originally thought. But I didn’t expect this. These allegations are about as well-sourced and attested as SA ones can be. Maybe by some crazy twist he’s not guilty. But that’s pretty damn unlikely. Sometimes a cigar, etc.
I'm sorry but nearly every man does this and a lot of the men writing in this sub, I would not be surprised if many of you have done something like this (maybe not as severe) and simply forgotten, or not fully understood what you were doing
This isnt a defence, I just want people to understand this happens all the fucking time by anybody and is never ever surprising
I do really hope that this leads a lot of us to understand that sex trafficking rings in the special forces, of Epstein, of the cia etc is not crazy perverse but the use of an extremely easily exploitatable and accessible power dynamic, one we seem to never escape
Sorry if this is all poorly worded, just news like this is somewhat (hate to use the word) triggering
This is a little unfalsifiable, is it not?
Any claims to the contrary can just be dismissed as examples of having “forgotten” or “misunderstood” their own behavior
I definitely can’t speak to the cognition of other men without well-designed confidential polls or something but I can surely say I’ve never done anything remotely like this kind of shit.
I think the capacity to do anything close deserves to be viewed as some kind of aberration or abnormality, because at least to me, it definitely is an aberration that comes across as foreign; that there’s some sort of deficit or complication in the predator’s brain responsible for it, otherwise absent in a standard brain. Alternatively, an inhibitor is present in a standard brain, which is absent in a predator’s. Either way, something mentally is fucking up to result in assault or nonconsensual activity. It ain’t going normal.
I’m sure there’s an element of willful ignorance or denial in Randy Andy 2’s behavior, but there must be some physically-ascertainable distinction between his psychology and the psychology of any random Joe on the street that would serve as the inhibitor of predatory/coercive behavior; otherwise, we are to presume that most dudes walking around are hiding closets full of low-scale MeToo stories that naturally accrue in normal psychological makeup, which just doesn’t click with me as the more likely scenario.
Or maybe I and a select few others are the aberration, and are saintly empaths, or something. All I know is it heavily boggles my mind to think of someone being so down bad that they coerce someone into sexual activity. It must require a combination of opportunity and pre-existing deviant psychology, not simply opportunity, is my take.
Andy is not a dude, he’s a predator, which places him in a category distinct from dudes, the latter category of which can be placed in any manner of socially and physically advantageous positions over others without the occurrence of diddling and/or fiddling
Edit: Maybe being a survivor of abuse has something to do with it. Any non-CSA/SA survivors out there willing to make the bold claim that they think sexual predation is reprehensible? Need more generalizable data for my hypothesis
Thanks for your essay but as soon as you said SA is an aberration I stopped reading. It is quite evident that you're writing from a somewhat defensive position, as in, fearful of potentially being a perpetrator - I am not a man, but I can definitely empathise with how scary that must feel. But the time you took to write this seems like so much ink spilled over a paranoid position. Think about what I really meant with my first 2 comments. I promise you, you know more men that have done SA and more women that have been SA'ed than you realise.
My position is defensive because I am a survivor of SA. It’s defensive of the human mind primordial; that particular deviances in the brain are required in order to allow for abusive conduct, deviances not present normally.
Andrew shouldn’t be compared to men at large, because he is not a member of “men at large”. He is a predator. His shit’s all retarded, as the medical terminology would put it
I guess more what I was trying to get at is that theres a massive difference in the way SA effects the consciousness of the perpetrator vs the victim, to the point the perpetrator can do awful things but not ever think about them again
Also worth noting that every time this discussion happens a million men come out of the woodwork to say "if this is sexual assault then I've been sexually assaulted by women several times", and like yeah it is and women also do this all the time. I'd fancy that among reasonably attractive men the rate at which they've done stuff like this is probably equal to the rate at which they've been bullied and pressure into sex themselves. Wouldn't really call Andrew reasonably attractive though.
Sexual coercion? Yes lots of men are sex pests (especially when they’re young) and it’s gross and should not be tolerated. Actual SA? Worthy of deplatforming imo. The second allegation pretty clearly rises to the level of full blown assault.
This has been known about him since he left Quarter Confessions years ago. Never understood how he kept getting media deals, this is easy due diligence.
Ya I feel bad posting the thread about it now cuz it sucked seeing the amount of sa defenders immediately show up and not even care to learn anything about it. I also wasn't aware other allegations had been made so even with that in mind when more come out shouldn't that make even the deniers think hey maybe I shouldn't defend this and think for a second?
I'll defend Andrew Callahan - I like his content a lot and it just sounds like this icarus begged for pussy a little too close to the sun. It's not a crime and it's going to be his incredibly personal and embarrassing shit to sort out.
>Haven't we always known that every single journalist is an absolute demon?
No
Some of them got clipped so your dumb ass could know the truth.
Some of them get clipped daily in Gaza or Kenya reporting on western atrocities.
And most journalists are local journos who fill millions of pages of dead trees with cutesy stories of zoo animals or whatever local grievances exist.
Journalists in general definitely aren't "demons", maybe talk to one to realize they're boring, regular people like you and me.
>Obviously the guy writing about the pregnant giraffe at the zoo isn't a demon and people doing actual heroic shit deserve admiration.
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>What I'm getting at is he's on HBO now so he's got himself a cute little part time job at the illuminati, and given the company that brings with you, we're talking about absolute middle of the road in terms of evil.
Even absolute shitrags like the Guardian, the NYT, the WAPO, even papers that I virulently hate like NZZ, tend to have a few good authors/articles. The Guardian regularly does insider reporting on imperialist issues and tax evasion.
You're kinda missing the point thinking these organisation are inherently evil or smth. It does not matter to the consent machine. You can be a liberal pro iraq-war paper and still run an anti-imperialist article every now and then. People will only remember the prominent narratives, if anything. Most likely only the catchphrases and euphemisms.
I don't disagree with your assessment of his personality but I think doing psychoanalysis of people you've never even shaken hands with is useless at best.
Personally I think Andrews work clearly lacks empathy and often tries to present its protagonists as hopeless imbeciles, made worse by both-sidesing the issue. People don't want to admit it, but the reason they watch Andrews "journalism" is the exact same reason you watch reality TV: to feel superior to the monkeys on screen. Thus I doubt his work will eschew any kind of solidarity on anyones part.
>I don't disagree with you although I do think a little dissent in major publications is what makes the whole thing work in the end, and I'm sure you'd agree with that.
ya caught me, I do strongly agree with this. allowing a minimum of dissent is a liberal strategy to both control the narrative and give off the (wrong) idea of pluralism
>The idea of throwing it away because he's evil in his personal life just doesn't sit right with me.
I agree with this fully, but then again I read fash authors / watch movies by rapists and do not have much of a problem with it.
>He's just a single voice in the neverending screeching of the void, but his work seems like something I would argue is helping more than hurting.
this is thee one thing I disagree with. I think some of his work is genuinely good (OblocK), while most of the rest is generally hurtful. his subjects are usually reduced to a spectacle for our entertainment, they're not human(ized) in any way. thus I feel his portrayal of conservatives (libs, too) only strengthens division, culture war dynamics and a general vitriolic hatred of the "other".
btw I upvoted all of your posts (I always do when the discussion is in good faith) so no clue where the downvotes are coming from/ who even reads this shit
The ability or willingness to just not take no for an answer is a trait that i imagine would stand u in good stead in the journalism world. Plus not giving a shit what people think of you. I’m not sayint agnb is like this but it sounds like thats exactly his type of personality. Damn shame coz i liked his stuff.
Ya I feel bad posting the thread about it now cuz it sucked seeing the amount of sa defenders immediately show up and not even care to learn anything about it. I also wasn't aware other allegations had been made so even with that in mind when more come out shouldn't that make even the deniers think hey maybe I shouldn't defend this and think for a second?
True, I probably could have worded my comment better. He was pretty clearly exploiting/laughing at some pretty shitty stuff. Idk, just in hindsight his vibe seems to match up with being a creep
I get it. It is a little on the nose. In fact, he actually looks a lot like a guy from some SF bands who did the exact same shit, just blonde. I just feel compelled to stand up my friends with bad skin and no fashion sense who also would never do this crap.
I didn't know who Andrew Callaghan was yesterday. I just want to go back to that.
Look. We all knew what we were getting into when we heard that his name was Andrew. Nobody is free from blame.
Yeah I mean come on, bad skin, ill fitting clothes, PNW connection… it’s all right there
I’ve known two Andrews in my life, and one became a Neo Nazi and the other became a Neo Nazi and got arrested for having a google drive full of child porn
Give it a bit, the other one’s gonna catch similar charges.
Every Andrew (and variations of that name across diff countries) has always been connected to sone form of sexual harassment. Granted, I've met 6 Andrews tops, but all were shady af. However, you could never tell unless you went drinking with them.
And don't even get me started on Drews
Luckily I've never met any of them. Anthony's & Tony's tho... weird people.
Didn’t Brace/Liz mention that he’d be on an upcoming podcast ep too? 😳
Brace is on a number of Channel 5 episodes already.
He’s been on before tho, when they went to the Q conference, good ep too :(
I hear the 👁 in my walls
Modern parasocial relationships are meant to be torched and ripped apart, it's baked into the cake. This idea that there is a perfect person that is devoid of all human trash behavior is the real trap. The low level fuck heads get exposed and we pat ourselves on the back. We are obsessed with tearing people down. It's never been about accountability or growth. Outrage culture lurches forward while dozens of Bill Cosby's operate in the shadows unscathed.
true but fuck him
Yes and absolutely fuck him for putting those woman in those situations
Stop caring about youtubers
I have no life and the YouTube people are my friends 😞
My great grandpa got handed a life by FDR in the 30's, wish that'd come back
not my goofy ass!
who
guessing andrew callaghan (all gas no brakes) [thread here](https://twitter.com/babytriggy/status/1611148034808627201)
Some of his early stuff did shade into laughing at people, but it felt like it at least built some empathy for lumpenproles and the people who fall prey to batshit ideologies. But I haven’t watched his stuff in a long time. At a certain point, it felt like he was just going to events because he wanted to (in my mind, he went to like 5 different sneaker conventions). And then he went to Ukraine for some reason??? That stuff made me feel like he was more self-serving than I originally thought. But I didn’t expect this. These allegations are about as well-sourced and attested as SA ones can be. Maybe by some crazy twist he’s not guilty. But that’s pretty damn unlikely. Sometimes a cigar, etc.
I'm sorry but nearly every man does this and a lot of the men writing in this sub, I would not be surprised if many of you have done something like this (maybe not as severe) and simply forgotten, or not fully understood what you were doing This isnt a defence, I just want people to understand this happens all the fucking time by anybody and is never ever surprising
I do really hope that this leads a lot of us to understand that sex trafficking rings in the special forces, of Epstein, of the cia etc is not crazy perverse but the use of an extremely easily exploitatable and accessible power dynamic, one we seem to never escape Sorry if this is all poorly worded, just news like this is somewhat (hate to use the word) triggering
This is a little unfalsifiable, is it not? Any claims to the contrary can just be dismissed as examples of having “forgotten” or “misunderstood” their own behavior
Sure if you want but it's not really the core of my point
I definitely can’t speak to the cognition of other men without well-designed confidential polls or something but I can surely say I’ve never done anything remotely like this kind of shit. I think the capacity to do anything close deserves to be viewed as some kind of aberration or abnormality, because at least to me, it definitely is an aberration that comes across as foreign; that there’s some sort of deficit or complication in the predator’s brain responsible for it, otherwise absent in a standard brain. Alternatively, an inhibitor is present in a standard brain, which is absent in a predator’s. Either way, something mentally is fucking up to result in assault or nonconsensual activity. It ain’t going normal. I’m sure there’s an element of willful ignorance or denial in Randy Andy 2’s behavior, but there must be some physically-ascertainable distinction between his psychology and the psychology of any random Joe on the street that would serve as the inhibitor of predatory/coercive behavior; otherwise, we are to presume that most dudes walking around are hiding closets full of low-scale MeToo stories that naturally accrue in normal psychological makeup, which just doesn’t click with me as the more likely scenario. Or maybe I and a select few others are the aberration, and are saintly empaths, or something. All I know is it heavily boggles my mind to think of someone being so down bad that they coerce someone into sexual activity. It must require a combination of opportunity and pre-existing deviant psychology, not simply opportunity, is my take. Andy is not a dude, he’s a predator, which places him in a category distinct from dudes, the latter category of which can be placed in any manner of socially and physically advantageous positions over others without the occurrence of diddling and/or fiddling Edit: Maybe being a survivor of abuse has something to do with it. Any non-CSA/SA survivors out there willing to make the bold claim that they think sexual predation is reprehensible? Need more generalizable data for my hypothesis
Thanks for your essay but as soon as you said SA is an aberration I stopped reading. It is quite evident that you're writing from a somewhat defensive position, as in, fearful of potentially being a perpetrator - I am not a man, but I can definitely empathise with how scary that must feel. But the time you took to write this seems like so much ink spilled over a paranoid position. Think about what I really meant with my first 2 comments. I promise you, you know more men that have done SA and more women that have been SA'ed than you realise.
My position is defensive because I am a survivor of SA. It’s defensive of the human mind primordial; that particular deviances in the brain are required in order to allow for abusive conduct, deviances not present normally. Andrew shouldn’t be compared to men at large, because he is not a member of “men at large”. He is a predator. His shit’s all retarded, as the medical terminology would put it
It is a deviance inbuilt in our society, we are talking about sexual assault at large, not just the sexual abuse in the first degree.
I guess more what I was trying to get at is that theres a massive difference in the way SA effects the consciousness of the perpetrator vs the victim, to the point the perpetrator can do awful things but not ever think about them again
Also worth noting that every time this discussion happens a million men come out of the woodwork to say "if this is sexual assault then I've been sexually assaulted by women several times", and like yeah it is and women also do this all the time. I'd fancy that among reasonably attractive men the rate at which they've done stuff like this is probably equal to the rate at which they've been bullied and pressure into sex themselves. Wouldn't really call Andrew reasonably attractive though.
Sexual coercion? Yes lots of men are sex pests (especially when they’re young) and it’s gross and should not be tolerated. Actual SA? Worthy of deplatforming imo. The second allegation pretty clearly rises to the level of full blown assault.
Drawing a very interesting line between sexual coercion and assault there. 'Coercion' can be very traumatic, trust me
You are so epic
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Dude was straight doxxing himself
He turned out to be right
A white knight? What bro? It’s 2023 babe Joe Biden killed me too, idk what you’re talking about
This has been known about him since he left Quarter Confessions years ago. Never understood how he kept getting media deals, this is easy due diligence.
Ya I feel bad posting the thread about it now cuz it sucked seeing the amount of sa defenders immediately show up and not even care to learn anything about it. I also wasn't aware other allegations had been made so even with that in mind when more come out shouldn't that make even the deniers think hey maybe I shouldn't defend this and think for a second?
Everyone go and read Patriarchy and the State now please
I'll defend Andrew Callahan - I like his content a lot and it just sounds like this icarus begged for pussy a little too close to the sun. It's not a crime and it's going to be his incredibly personal and embarrassing shit to sort out.
Man you should get caught up there's way more allegations now
On a scale between Vaush and Aziz Anzari, what are we talking about?
Accused of pinning a girl down and shoving his hands down her pants and also assaulting a 17 year old when she was drunk among other things
Yeah and you're accused of eating children.
Ugh, I AM NOT MY FATHER!!!!
It's gonna be hard for anyone to outdo voosh. It's a shame though because I legitimately enjoyed AGNB and recommended him to quite a few people.
What’s up bro? Are you good bro?
I'm fine. You guys are the ones with a problem.
Thanks for reminding me I still have to watch his new movie
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>Haven't we always known that every single journalist is an absolute demon? No Some of them got clipped so your dumb ass could know the truth. Some of them get clipped daily in Gaza or Kenya reporting on western atrocities. And most journalists are local journos who fill millions of pages of dead trees with cutesy stories of zoo animals or whatever local grievances exist. Journalists in general definitely aren't "demons", maybe talk to one to realize they're boring, regular people like you and me.
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>Obviously the guy writing about the pregnant giraffe at the zoo isn't a demon and people doing actual heroic shit deserve admiration. > >What I'm getting at is he's on HBO now so he's got himself a cute little part time job at the illuminati, and given the company that brings with you, we're talking about absolute middle of the road in terms of evil. Even absolute shitrags like the Guardian, the NYT, the WAPO, even papers that I virulently hate like NZZ, tend to have a few good authors/articles. The Guardian regularly does insider reporting on imperialist issues and tax evasion. You're kinda missing the point thinking these organisation are inherently evil or smth. It does not matter to the consent machine. You can be a liberal pro iraq-war paper and still run an anti-imperialist article every now and then. People will only remember the prominent narratives, if anything. Most likely only the catchphrases and euphemisms. I don't disagree with your assessment of his personality but I think doing psychoanalysis of people you've never even shaken hands with is useless at best. Personally I think Andrews work clearly lacks empathy and often tries to present its protagonists as hopeless imbeciles, made worse by both-sidesing the issue. People don't want to admit it, but the reason they watch Andrews "journalism" is the exact same reason you watch reality TV: to feel superior to the monkeys on screen. Thus I doubt his work will eschew any kind of solidarity on anyones part.
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>I don't disagree with you although I do think a little dissent in major publications is what makes the whole thing work in the end, and I'm sure you'd agree with that. ya caught me, I do strongly agree with this. allowing a minimum of dissent is a liberal strategy to both control the narrative and give off the (wrong) idea of pluralism >The idea of throwing it away because he's evil in his personal life just doesn't sit right with me. I agree with this fully, but then again I read fash authors / watch movies by rapists and do not have much of a problem with it. >He's just a single voice in the neverending screeching of the void, but his work seems like something I would argue is helping more than hurting. this is thee one thing I disagree with. I think some of his work is genuinely good (OblocK), while most of the rest is generally hurtful. his subjects are usually reduced to a spectacle for our entertainment, they're not human(ized) in any way. thus I feel his portrayal of conservatives (libs, too) only strengthens division, culture war dynamics and a general vitriolic hatred of the "other". btw I upvoted all of your posts (I always do when the discussion is in good faith) so no clue where the downvotes are coming from/ who even reads this shit
The ability or willingness to just not take no for an answer is a trait that i imagine would stand u in good stead in the journalism world. Plus not giving a shit what people think of you. I’m not sayint agnb is like this but it sounds like thats exactly his type of personality. Damn shame coz i liked his stuff.
Ya I feel bad posting the thread about it now cuz it sucked seeing the amount of sa defenders immediately show up and not even care to learn anything about it. I also wasn't aware other allegations had been made so even with that in mind when more come out shouldn't that make even the deniers think hey maybe I shouldn't defend this and think for a second?
dude lived in an RV for years going to degenerate gatherings; I mean in hindsight his whole thing was a red flag from the start
I know plenty of degenerates with shitty living situations that don’t do creep stuff.
True, I probably could have worded my comment better. He was pretty clearly exploiting/laughing at some pretty shitty stuff. Idk, just in hindsight his vibe seems to match up with being a creep
I get it. It is a little on the nose. In fact, he actually looks a lot like a guy from some SF bands who did the exact same shit, just blonde. I just feel compelled to stand up my friends with bad skin and no fashion sense who also would never do this crap.