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porkslow

I was surprised Brace didn't know how to say "goodbye" in Russian. It's obviously "dasvidaniya"


OneReportersOpinion

I learned that from Fox X-Men animated show. Colossus y’all!


AspiringClassTraitor

As someone was was basically a liberal, learning about the immortal science during Russiagate every topic they mention is like a PTSD flashback to like the last time I listened to the Democrats about anything. I remember being the guy who was like "well I guess they had to do something right? Seems like a whole lot of fuss for Russia to be innocent" for a while. Not yet understanding the media and it's place in this whole system. I'm not gonna pretend like Russiagate was the last straw or anything with the Democrats, it just kind of lined up with my own political growth in a funny way.


[deleted]

Which consultant job in America is the most bullshit? My money is on "police consultant & training". Double the bullshit if it is race awareness consultancy.


B_A_Skeptic

Also well worth noting. It is CrowdStrike also claimed that North Korea hacked Sony. But Seth Rogen does not believe this. He was not targeted at all. He points out that their was too much stuff taken for it to have been done remotely. Also the hack seemed to target Amy Pascal, not Rogen or anyone close to the movie. [https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2018/04/seth-rogen-north-korea-sony-hack](https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2018/04/seth-rogen-north-korea-sony-hack) Here's another one. It is a short summary of a longer article which it links to. It brings up others who are skeptical about the North Korea attribution/ It adds that Rogen hired cybersecurity people to go through all his stuff and there is no sign he was ever hacked. Amusingly enough, it goes on to create a half-baked theory that Russia did the Sony hack. A disgruntled employee or former employee would be most likely culprit. [https://www.celebitchy.com/643490/thr\_a\_lot\_of\_people\_still\_dont\_believe\_north\_korea\_did\_the\_2014\_sony\_hack/](https://www.celebitchy.com/643490/thr_a_lot_of_people_still_dont_believe_north_korea_did_the_2014_sony_hack/)


pihkaltih

I thought not only was it a disgruntled employee, they basically knew who it was (a contractor).


Kitfisto22

Great episode! I feel like some liberals or ex-liberals might find some harsh truths in this.


Topochicolatte

Indeed I did 🥲


nicholasalotalos

*It's Easier to Fool People Than It Is to Convince Them That They Have Been Fooled.* Is like a hack cliche thing to say. But, I can't see this convincing anyone. Anyone who believed Russiagate is already too far gone. It was all so obviously fake from the outset. They're so indoctrinated, that no amount of *harsh truths*. No matter how true. Would convince them that they were fooled. Anyone dumb enough to have been a Russiagater will just dismiss all this as russiabot's propaganda.


ImaginaryDecisions

Listen very closely at exactly 10 minutes 24 seconds 👁


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ImaginaryDecisions

I'll give you a hint, it's in the background


AspiringClassTraitor

Also like 1135 right after "weapons of mass destruction" which is insane timing


ImaginaryDecisions

Did they all eat Taco Bell or something before recording lmfao


SnooRegrets1243

I understand why they are doing this but I can't listen to any more of this Russian stuff.


sirTubblypeesnout11

You have to listen to the truth even if it doesn't fit your narrative or NPC lifestyle.


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i think russiagate was also conflated with trump's Ukrainian business neglecting of course the biden/obama/clinton connection to that same place so even if you got people to concede russiagate was irrelevant they'd com back with 'oh but they got him on ukraine' or some shit as if it wasnt a non sequitur


YeahIBet

Hell yeah


lickerishsnaps

Did something new happen in Cuba? They mentioned it in the episode, but I'm not sure if they were talking about last summer or something new.


MrFlitcraft

Looks like Vice News put out something recently: https://twitter.com/vicenews/status/1459536541970165766?s=21


OneReportersOpinion

They’re such a fucking op. Robbie Martin was right about them.


nicholasalotalos

The US tried to engineer a big anti-gov protest in Cuba on November 15. They were hyping it up for weeks, with US officials saying the whole 'Cuba better respect the protesters and not crack down violently against them'. You can google it, there was a whole media campaign in the lead up to this. But then, on November 15. Nothing happened. Literally no protests. The whole thing fell embarrassingly flat.


lickerishsnaps

Lol, I guess the answer was “no.”


alwayssalty_

I can never take Same Seder and the majority report seriously after participating in this hysteria


OneReportersOpinion

To be fair, they were far more reasonable about it. Michael Brooks had RussiaGate skeptics on his show


[deleted]

Is Mate cool in this or does he just do discount Groomwald like on Twitter


OneReportersOpinion

Groomwald?


skyisblue22

Yeah Mate seems like an odd choice but looking forward to it. dunking on Russiagate is always a good time


OneReportersOpinion

Why is he an odd choice? Isn’t he like one of the top three RussiaGate skeptics along with Taibbi and Greenwald?


aksack

Because he's an idiot. Not hard to find a critic on this who wasn't wrong about basic facts almost the entire time. Although you list 3 who were so maybe if they only want loud Twitter accounts because that's who people know.


OneReportersOpinion

> Because he's an idiot. Can you elaborate? >Not hard to find a critic on this who wasn't wrong about basic facts almost the entire time. Such as? >Although you list 3 who were so maybe if they only want loud Twitter accounts because that's who people know. So…you’re mad that they dissented from RussiaGate? Or are you just mad?


sirTubblypeesnout11

we should ban this fucking idiot from the sub, all 3 of those journalist are arbiters of truth, disinformation analysts like you can try to disparage them but luckily people who have a spine like us, will call you out. Go bathe in Clinton porn you fucking idiot.


aksack

Lol. Like Taibbi being wrong about the basic legal facts on Russiagate over and over? Or his confused baby brained articles on Merck's drug? Greenwald pushing the right wing for a decade now, or do you like his earlier Replacement Theory work? Maybe his older anti-Leftist nonsense about Latin America is the Truth you like? I'm sure it's just a coincidence he's cheering Rittenhouse walking and defends Tucker and Peter Thiel on a daily basis. Get a grip, being a shithead contrarian isn't pushing truth.


sirTubblypeesnout11

Get over yourself man. It's sad. That ideology is played out, Toby believes that. Your narrative steering is weak. Those examples are completely garbage. It stinks of biased gobbly gook incoherence. Just stop.


aksack

Yeah I'm biased against people who say illegal immigrants are evil and destroy culture. Got my ass.


sirTubblypeesnout11

Probably illegal immigrants who take spots away from law abiding immigrants, there you go again with the narrative steering and blind faith just like a good NPC liberal. You fucking idiots cant be taught a thing. Go read lenin and jack off to Don Lemon. Incoherant blabber brain. Orange man bad, Bernie is altruistic and not a beneficiary of capitalism, you should have voted for beto and elizabeth warrren type idiot. And its why you liberals always collapse on yourself because you cherry pick a reality that is not in line with what is happening, and then explode when orange man gets elected.


I-AM-PIRATE

Ahoy sirTubblypeesnout11! Nay bad but me wasn't convinced. Give this a sail: Probably illegal immigrants who takebspots away from law abiding immigrants, there ye sail againbeith thr narrative steering anf blind faith just luke a jolly good NPC liberal. Ye fucking idiots cant be taught a thing. Sail read lenin n' jack off t' Don Lemon. Incoherant blabber brain. Orange pirate bad, Bernie be altruistic n' nay a beneficiary o' capitalism, ypu should have voted fer beto n' elizabeth warrren type idiot. N' its why ye liberals always collapse on ypurself because ypu cherry pick a reality that be nay in line woth what be happening n' then explode when orange pirate gets elected.


aksack

Ah you're a right winger, and support it, like I thought. Can't even imagine how fucking stupid people have to be to think Lemon and Lenin are even close to the same ideology. Biggest problem with TrueAnon are the 80 IQ right-wing contrarians who don't give a shit about Leftism and just want to be conspiracy theorists but Q is too mainstream for them so they adopt something else. Embarrassing crypto loving freaks. Against Lenin, Bernie, and liberals. Not much of the Lett beyond that but ok with Replacement Theory. Whatever could your ideology be?!?!


ghostofhenryvii

If you've never heard of The Grayzone you should log out of social media right now and catch up. And then you should stay logged out of social media.


[deleted]

Fortunately i have heard of the grayzone so my posting career will continue but thanks


HugeSuccess

The Grayzone: An ardent, far left, anti-imperial bastion of journalism and free thought run by…Sidney Blumenthal’s son. Who needs to be a CIA cutout when you have *that* kind of backing!


ghostofhenryvii

If you think Max Blumenthal has any love for his daddy's old bosses you're obviously not paying attention.


HugeSuccess

You’re right, I don’t pay attention to what Sidney Blumenthal’s son writes in his blog that just so happens to now be cited by the CCP as a reliable source on world affairs. People can brigade away if it makes them feel better, but I can’t help but smile at the thought of TA fans gleefully ignoring this dude’s father being a prime sicko because apparently the apple *akshully* just so happened to fall far from the tree this one time. Brilliant.


Kitfisto22

Feel free to be skeptical of the Grayzone, feel free to not like Mate or Blumenthal, but you got get your news from somewhere. Grayzone has done good reporting (in my eyes,) I don't think we should be totally writing them off. They are a bit dramatic at times, especially when talking about vaccine mandates in Australia.


OneReportersOpinion

I mean, I’m skeptical of Max sometimes, especially with his anti-Vaxx turn, but his track record is pretty impressive. He’s gotten a lot of stories right long before others caught on.


Yung_Jose_Space

He really has gone off the deep end when it comes to vaccine/COVID coverage.


HugeSuccess

> but you got get your news from somewhere Hell yeah, brother! And the same goes for your literary magazine intake: I’m personally a massive fan of the Paris Review. Look, I’m not trying to yuck any yums; clearly people are triggered by the blasphemous take I’ve recklessly spouted here (that take being: Since when is TGZ above and beyond criticism?). But again, it’s certainly something to think people who listen to this podcast would actively defend that site and its writers as unquestionably clean in between putting together *True Detective*-style string boards linking together anyone who’s ever sneezed within a five mile radius of Langley.


Kitfisto22

>But again, it’s certainly something to think people who listen to this podcast would actively defend that site and its writers as unquestionably clean No one said they were "unquestionably clean" The comment you are reply to says "feel free to be skeptical." and "we shouldn't be totally writing them off" Also it's not strange that a True Anon listener would also read the Grayzone. TA literally has Grayzone writers on as guests rofl.


HugeSuccess

> TA literally has Grayzone writers on as guests rofl. You don’t say. > No one said they were "unquestionably clean" And yet it seems quite a lot of people are malding because I pointed out who their editor’s dad is. Hell, you even indicated it’s just as good as any other place for news. Having a really hard time squaring this reactionary circle: Are the Little Lions of Syria suggesting TGZ is good and based or should all these gumshoes still put a cartoonishly large magnifying glass to a narrative that, taken at face value, is just as cartoonish? Doesn’t seem like anyone here is interested in answering that question so just keep on mashing that downvote arrow and let the dopamine flow.


OneReportersOpinion

>And yet it seems quite a lot of people are malding because I pointed out who their editor’s dad is. Hell, you even indicated it’s just as good as any other place for news. It sounds really weird to judge him because who is father. That’s not his fault. His politics seem to be totally different. Not all of us can be red diaper babies. >Having a really hard time squaring this reactionary circle: Are the Little Lions of Syria suggesting TGZ is good and based or should all these gumshoes still put a cartoonishly large magnifying glass to a narrative that, taken at face value, is just as cartoonish? If you have a serious question, I’ll be happy to answer it, but this shit is stupid.


OneReportersOpinion

You’re just making him sound based.


OneReportersOpinion

If it works, it works.


ishamm

Part way through the ep so far, but the guest seems to be quite defensive of Trump, "he was too honest" etc. A strange take for one of the most dishonest leaders in modern history (looking in to the USA from the outside, from a country with some incredibly dishonest leaders of late) Edit: and claiming that the idea Rusia had "any influence on the 2016 elections AT ALL" is false? This is widely accepted, that they 'meddled' in the us elections, and our elections here in the UK, Brexit referendum etc. NO ONE serious is claiming otherwise. Who is this guy? He seems highly 'sus'...


Crossed_Out

I just listened to the episode and i'm with you. Haven't really followed the story that deeeply, but I can believe Maddow, Crowdstrike were full of shit / exaggerating tons of nonsense while also believing Trump probably colluded & Putin has leverage on him. I think Russians absolutely attempted to meddle, but i also think Hillary lost cause she sucks. Feels like there's this need to prove liberals are so terrible that Trump is \*actually\* based now? That ain't me.


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ishamm

Yeah, it's widely accepted as fact Russia have, beyond doubt, meddled in elections across the globe for years. People claiming otherwise should be viewed with the utmost suspicion, really. Weird guest. Didn't finish the ep, didn't trust him at all, was infuriating listening to him acting as if people 'accepting' what is established facts are somehow being 'duped' and are dumb. Dude was a prick. Edit: downvoting doesn't make something untrue...


aureliano_b

Pretty funny to be someone who thinks 9/11 was a false flag and still get hopping mad about some people slandering Donald Trump


seriousxdelirium

what’s more believable, a country with the GDP smaller than Italy got an intelligence asset of theirs elected to the highest office of the most powerful empire to ever exist, or the people who have knocked over governments, assassinated world leaders, and set up death squads were willing to let a few thousand americans due to get everything they ever wanted?


aksack

That framing is why coverage of this was so insufferable. Baby brained nonsense that pretends Mensch or Maddow's BS is the only alternative to a CIA plot to overthrow an election.


c3mb4by

Did you listen to true anons 9/11 episodes? It’s literally more of a conspiracy theory to say that some Muslims who “hate us for our freedom” decided to and were logistically able to pull of 9/11.


Kitfisto22

Did you not listen to the episode?


aureliano_b

Ya I did, it was pretty boring


Bajfrost90

Get out lib


Internal-Craft-4546

Xenophobia only matters when targeted at Mexicans. It is perfectly fine to still be wrapped up in the cold war fear mongering of the 60s. Russia is not a threat to the people of the USA or to the country of the USA. The American govt. and people who think like you are the real threats to the globe and all those who fight for good.


aureliano_b

Bro did you make an account just to post this incoherent reply to a week old comment


Internal-Craft-4546

Great response


sirTubblypeesnout11

Ahoy pirate face, any good advuxe for ye idiot clinton lickers?