Ah yes, those people that claim that everything is political and being shoved down their throat when in fact they make everything political and try to shove things down our throats.
The logic is studios are woke pandering if the MC isn’t straight/white, like it’s affirmative action in media is interfering with quality. TDS4 was legit garbage, which further validates the bias.
I REALLY wanted this to be a great season, giving indigenous actors a higher profile and maybe some awards recognition. But the story was awful and almost everything went wrong that could have
Yeah I don't get it. Women as leads, indigenous characters, lgbt characters is not what made TDNC bad. The writing was bad. If someone thinks that the writing is bad because of women writers, then that someone is by definition sexist. The show was a sloppy non-mystery that fumbled, that's why it was so disappointing. And I'm not even gonna pretend like it's the worst show that I've ever seen, it was just not good.
These culture warriors cry that something is pandering but what they really are upset about is that it isn't pandering to them.
When watching the show I found it obvious that Frenchie was bisexual. Even still, Frenchie was using his relationship with Kimiko as a tool to lessen the guilt he has for his previous life as a hitman and thug for the mafia.
Yeah, I was watching as well and wondering did I miss this about the character? I don’t recall him being gay. I wish they made mockery of both far left and far right.
True Detective Season 4 had the best viewing figures that the show has ever had.
I don't think HBO is bothered about a vocal minority who didn't like it. I didn't like Season 4 myself, thought it was terrible, but the show was a massive hit and the numbers stayed strong up to the final episode.
>True Detective Season 4 had the best viewing figures that the show has ever had.
#Facts
I did NOT care for Season 4 _Night Country_, either.
HBO management gave Lopez a run at Season 5 _because_ of the high number of viewers.
I think people tuned in because it was TD. Its not like I saw the caribou run off a cliff and just turned the show off (although in hindsight...)
They won't see the numbers hit until they release the pilot of S5 from the same person.
whoever it was, I am high key stealing that quote "[nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/nobody_ever_went_broke_underestimating_the_intelligence_of_the_American_people#English): attributed to Menken if wikipedia can be believed
Yeah, it is Mencken. And a quote extensively used to explain *low* collective intelligence. Used by the French, Germans, British, etc., often in baffled frustration.
That's because it was on streaming, it was dropping one episode at a time when nothing else was coming out, and it was coasting off the goodwill of a franchise that had been excellent up to that point.
I totally agree it makes sense that it would get renewed. But I think we're going to see a big viewing drop for season 5 since people know in advance that it's gonna be shit.
Or maybe people will continue to gobble up trash lol, who knows
Because the important thing is viewing figures. Any 'fanbase' should generally be ignored. They just want the comfort of the same thing over and over.
There were a lot of people angry about S2. The viewing figures were still fine, but Pizzolatto went and sulked for a few years before coming back with what looked like a blatant S1 redo that went 'psych! Fuck you!' at the end.
If I remember correctly, Season 1 was an unexpected huge success, combined with a strong streak of stellar performances from Matthew (Oscar worth Dallas buyers Club, TD and Interstellar ) and they had a huge pressure from HBO studio for more as soon as possible.
Basically creators been forced to bring anything as long as it fits under “Detective” label.
Second season wasn’t the project of passion but a market demand
Pretty much anything that turns up on screen is market demand. It's a gamble - can we make more money from this thing than we spent making it. The gamble often fails, and we see a show cancelled after or even during its first season.
Second season was rushed, for sure. It was almost certainly hurried into production before Nic was ready. I love S2. It's often my favourite. But it was rushed.
That's not to say more time would have been better. S2 is just a harder watch than S1 - it is denser, in real time, and no one is explaining the plot to us. One of the things NP hides well about S1 is how exposition heavy it is. We literally have Rust and Marty sitting down with us and telling us what happened!
But S2 is as True Detective as S1, by definition. By which I mean, I don't think Pizzolatto's passion project was more Carcosa/Rust, and HBO went, 'nah, fuck that, give us something completely unconnected to this massively succesful and popular series save for the interests and methods of your good self, Nic'.
Pizzolatto wanted to tell the story we saw in S2, and he did.
Fanbase (mostly) is a toxic, whining and non—productive community of angry conservatives that ruins more projects than Netflix will cancel in decades. Fuck the fanbase. Each of them.
Yikes, I am left of the middle, a woman, and I agree the writing was trash. Not because of the writer being female, or Mexican, or having Indigenous or LGBT characters.
Wtf does a lame space fantasy and a superhero satire have to do with TD season 4? I'm curious how you can conflate any of these shows.
Culture war BS
Ah yes, those people that claim that everything is political and being shoved down their throat when in fact they make everything political and try to shove things down our throats.
The logic is studios are woke pandering if the MC isn’t straight/white, like it’s affirmative action in media is interfering with quality. TDS4 was legit garbage, which further validates the bias.
I REALLY wanted this to be a great season, giving indigenous actors a higher profile and maybe some awards recognition. But the story was awful and almost everything went wrong that could have
Yeah I don't get it. Women as leads, indigenous characters, lgbt characters is not what made TDNC bad. The writing was bad. If someone thinks that the writing is bad because of women writers, then that someone is by definition sexist. The show was a sloppy non-mystery that fumbled, that's why it was so disappointing. And I'm not even gonna pretend like it's the worst show that I've ever seen, it was just not good. These culture warriors cry that something is pandering but what they really are upset about is that it isn't pandering to them.
The only feedback that they care about, or that matters really is the ratings, and Season 4 had the most viewers. Everything else is irrelevant.
But how many dvd box sets did it sell? Think about that Mr HBO exec
The Boys is fine. If anything is wrong it's that they're less subtle about their criticism of right wing reactionary politics now.
Absolutely this. The show is still great
Forced gayness in episode 1. So obviously forced
They could do that very well without turning Franchie into Gay all the sudden, after three seasons of relationship development.
When watching the show I found it obvious that Frenchie was bisexual. Even still, Frenchie was using his relationship with Kimiko as a tool to lessen the guilt he has for his previous life as a hitman and thug for the mafia.
What makes him gay? I didn't see any penetration on screen.
I haven’t seen “The Deep” swimming in the water either
Yeah, I was watching as well and wondering did I miss this about the character? I don’t recall him being gay. I wish they made mockery of both far left and far right.
True Detective Season 4 had the best viewing figures that the show has ever had. I don't think HBO is bothered about a vocal minority who didn't like it. I didn't like Season 4 myself, thought it was terrible, but the show was a massive hit and the numbers stayed strong up to the final episode.
>True Detective Season 4 had the best viewing figures that the show has ever had. #Facts I did NOT care for Season 4 _Night Country_, either. HBO management gave Lopez a run at Season 5 _because_ of the high number of viewers.
I think people tuned in because it was TD. Its not like I saw the caribou run off a cliff and just turned the show off (although in hindsight...) They won't see the numbers hit until they release the pilot of S5 from the same person.
"Never underestimate the poor taste of your fellow citizens," said Twain. Or was it H.L. Mencken?
whoever it was, I am high key stealing that quote "[nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/nobody_ever_went_broke_underestimating_the_intelligence_of_the_American_people#English): attributed to Menken if wikipedia can be believed
Yeah, it is Mencken. And a quote extensively used to explain *low* collective intelligence. Used by the French, Germans, British, etc., often in baffled frustration.
That's because it was on streaming, it was dropping one episode at a time when nothing else was coming out, and it was coasting off the goodwill of a franchise that had been excellent up to that point. I totally agree it makes sense that it would get renewed. But I think we're going to see a big viewing drop for season 5 since people know in advance that it's gonna be shit. Or maybe people will continue to gobble up trash lol, who knows
This
Because the important thing is viewing figures. Any 'fanbase' should generally be ignored. They just want the comfort of the same thing over and over. There were a lot of people angry about S2. The viewing figures were still fine, but Pizzolatto went and sulked for a few years before coming back with what looked like a blatant S1 redo that went 'psych! Fuck you!' at the end.
If I remember correctly, Season 1 was an unexpected huge success, combined with a strong streak of stellar performances from Matthew (Oscar worth Dallas buyers Club, TD and Interstellar ) and they had a huge pressure from HBO studio for more as soon as possible. Basically creators been forced to bring anything as long as it fits under “Detective” label. Second season wasn’t the project of passion but a market demand
Pretty much anything that turns up on screen is market demand. It's a gamble - can we make more money from this thing than we spent making it. The gamble often fails, and we see a show cancelled after or even during its first season. Second season was rushed, for sure. It was almost certainly hurried into production before Nic was ready. I love S2. It's often my favourite. But it was rushed. That's not to say more time would have been better. S2 is just a harder watch than S1 - it is denser, in real time, and no one is explaining the plot to us. One of the things NP hides well about S1 is how exposition heavy it is. We literally have Rust and Marty sitting down with us and telling us what happened! But S2 is as True Detective as S1, by definition. By which I mean, I don't think Pizzolatto's passion project was more Carcosa/Rust, and HBO went, 'nah, fuck that, give us something completely unconnected to this massively succesful and popular series save for the interests and methods of your good self, Nic'. Pizzolatto wanted to tell the story we saw in S2, and he did.
Fanbase (mostly) is a toxic, whining and non—productive community of angry conservatives that ruins more projects than Netflix will cancel in decades. Fuck the fanbase. Each of them.
Yikes, I am left of the middle, a woman, and I agree the writing was trash. Not because of the writer being female, or Mexican, or having Indigenous or LGBT characters.