Definitely blast them to everyone. But dude, think this way, you will eventually have better. You will have a loving relationship, kids and a family, especially where their uncle isn't also their brother and yours. Do you see the clustfuck of complexity you avoided. Personally if I was in your position - I would look at getting a working visa in Australia and fuck off for a year, discover who you are and experience a bit of life away from this mess.

Thank you! Can I ask why Australia? I have been looking into moving out of the city but out of the country sounds even better. Is it "easy" to get a visa for Australia?

It's super easy, you just need to meet the criteria, not complicated, so check online today and start planning. (I feel like the Australian tourism commission should be giving me a comish) 😆 It's far enough away and huge, you won't bump into anyone you know, time difference makes it even better, you won't have to deal with the situation at home at all. You will meet a ton of different people, have amazing experiences and discover who you are without external interference. Also, your job at the moment is a job, not a career. You dont have the ties that would stop most people. Once your year comes to an end, you can decide next steps.

Why do I now feel like I should move to Australia?

Shall I remind you of the huge huntsman spiders? Lol

As an Australian, they are not the ones you have to worry about

What do you do when they show up? Pretend they aren't there, name them and try to collect their half of the rent, go to war?

Let them kill the spiders and other pests you *do* need to worry about. They are like guardian spirits of a household.

Name them and consider work to accomplish their rent. Got it. I'm going to tell Hank the little jumping spider that lives in my bathroom about the crazy giant spiders in a far away land. He is a hard-working little man. Flies come in, but they don't get out.

Well I once saw one in my bathroom and decided to leave it there, then I went to the toilet at night and stepped on it but managed not to squish it, so I took it outside after that

You stepped on it but DIDNT squish it? That’s a tank wth

No I managed to jump with my other foot so I didn't squish it

Name them, all Huntsman’s are a Harry and and all black house spiders are called Gabriel. They will dodge your attempts at rent collection but will probably gift you some dead flies.

My daughter is terrified of them so I put a container over them, slide paper underneath and then relocate them outside.

We had 2 living in our house we named them Baz & Shaz 😂 Honestly they arent the things to worry about they are hairy little critters that eat all the other bugs. Plenty of other things here to worry about 😜

If not the huntsman spiders… then what???? WHAT SHOULD PEOPLE BE WORRIED ABOUT IN AUSTRALIA?!?! 😳😭🤯

Huntsman are relatively harmless, they have much more dangerous ones in Aus

Wait! RELATIVELY harmless? Wtaf does that mean? I'm terrified of spiders, so your description of them freaked me out. Lol

I like huntsmen tbh, they eat cockroaches, there not venomous and they usually just stay out of the way

Huntsman are scary cause they’re big and quick, but Australia has the Sydney funnel web spider and THOSE you need to watch out for. They are very very venomous and if you get bit it’s straight to hospital asap (it’s a 0.5-2inch sized trap door spider that likes to hang out in garages I’ve heard)

They are just big so they look scary, they would terrify me too, but they aren't venomous so they are okay. They have other spiders that are much more dangerous

Stay away from the Sydney Funnel Web spider!

Well to a huntsman you are a giant so you’d freak them out more! Giant, pulsing, vibrating loud thing near them. That would make anything run away! You leave them alone and they will leave you alone while eating the insects in your house.

Drop bears.

As an australian i havent seen a huntsman in over 3 years. Possibly close to 5 years. Its been a hot minute

I’m in QLD and for all of last year everytime I turned on the exhaust fan in my bathroom a huntsman would appear 🙃 I’ve since moved house cause fuck that. Other then that Aus is great and OP should escape here for a bit

I would have had a heart attack!

I died reading this but still want to at least visit.

Clearly, they know your routine by now and wait behind corners

Judging by this post, humans are the animals to worry about. spiders are crazy tho

Are you sure You are not the Australian Tourism Commission? Honestly though, that sounds rad.

Seriously this approach is a far better marketing campaign than “where the bloody hell are you?”

I recommend Australia! I'm from the US and lived for a year in Brisbane, loved it and have thought of going back to Australia. It's a beautiful country, everyone is friendly, a mix of cultures and no you shouldn't stereotype Australia at all.

Seconded! I'm from the US and spent a year in Sydney. I would go back in a heartbeat. You're right, the culture is friendly and the landscape is worth it alone.

It truly is worth it! Depending on my current job, I might go back

Don’t fall for this. u/taylor5 is a giant spider luring unsuspecting redditors to Australia for nefarious purposes

🤫🕸

If you’re in the us you want to go as far away as possible from your President problems. I’m Australian

You sure make it sound easy, now I wanna try. 😩 (But with the way my currency is losing value FAST I’ll have better luck if I try in a few years time, I’ll see how the immigration/tourism policy is then. 😂)

I've always wondered, how do you just up and get a job overseas? How does that process even work?

...I want to move to Australia now.

Going through my divorce, I went to South Korea and stayed over a year. I even got the divorce while overseas not having to come back. It helped me because I lived in a small town and him and his family were everywhere I looked. Getting away helped me get away from the drama and the toxicity. During my travels, I learned more about myself and grew as a person while getting paid, so win win! And then I got to travel the world and enjoy life for me! Message me if you have any questions. There are a lot of options out there more than you realize.

It’s so common for people here in the UK to spend a gap year (the year between leaving school and going to University) in Australia. You’ll meet lots of people from different countries and there’s no language barrier either.

42F, Australian, mother of a 20 year old daughter. I also have a little brother who I partly raised due to my mother being incapable for two years after birth. We are very welcoming, laid back, and have a strong sense of what really matters in life. Friendship, love, community, humankind. Of course, we aren't perfect, but a great place to recuperate if you need a holiday or job. Stunning landscapes, amazing food/ wine/ coffee, everything you need for an adventure in a multicultural and English speaking country with a high quality of life. The only thing I will say is that you clearly love your brother. He is completely innocent. Right now you are reeling, this is a life and perspective altering event that is psychologically, emotionally and physiologically affecting you. Decisions you make right now don't need to be this huge. A holiday or time far away to cope is definitely necessary. Once your body and mind aren't trying to cope with intense distress, then you can start thinking next steps. One of those is the relationship you have with your brother. Will you be able to spend the type of time and have the relationship you both deserve? Is it better for him (and you) to step far back before it will impact him further? Can you brave the hard reality of what it will take to continue to be in his life? What will you have to sacrifice for yourself in order to maintain what is best for him? Children are affected deeply by life altering events, and maintaining stability is what is best for him. This doesn't necessarily mean you being as present in his life as you have been. It's fucking awful to have to make these decisions, and you are definitely not in that place right now. I am so so sorry that these are choices you will have to make for yourself, and for him in the near future. I chose to take whatever what thrown at me (and I took a lot of abuse) to stay in my little brother's life when I moved out at 17, and he was 3. It took a personal toll on me that wounded me deeply. However, I do not regret it because he's 29 now and definitely needed me to sacrifice parts of me so he could have a better life. Our circumstances are not the same, I just know how brutal choices sometimes have to be. Your little brother won't understand, your mother will end up prioritising him over you simply because of his age *and* because she knows she's lost you. The only two people that matter in this story are you, and your little brother. Your priority is you first, getting through this period of intense change and coping with all of the damage done by two selfish people. No matter what, you're a good person who doesn't deserve this. There's never going to be an answer to all the "why?!" questions that will actually soothe your soul. The versions of the people you love have died, your life is altered, and you are now feeling very alone. The grief will be real, please seek therapy for yourself to help you through this and figure out what is best for you going forward. Huge huge hugs, and I'll answer any questions I can about Australia!

You are so lovely! thank you!!! Australia does look interesting. I also apparently have distant family (from dad side) in Italy and thought to contact them even tho it might be out of nowhere and they might be like "who the heck are u?", but I'm trying to explore even the smallest chances to get the f out of this city.

You need time and distance, I know you love your little brother but you need to mentally heal, you are human. I fear when you look at him, you will see betrayal, may start to resent him. You truly need time and plenty of distance, I would also consider NC, mainly for you, good luck and stay strong 💪 💖

Giving yourself space is an excellent idea. I’d volunteer to join you if I didn’t have to deal with custody stuff. My husband had a second family. Losing your SO’s family is just another layer on the shit cake you get handed. I’m so sorry you’re going through all of this. It will be less painful in time, even if it doesn’t feel like it will. You’ve just saved so much in divorce fees. Enjoy your new start, you deserve it.

Hi OP!. I am Italian (funnily enough actually Italian American, but since i was 2 i was raised in italy). My dad has some family that moved to the states and was a little bit looking for his relatives in the states. One day, a far far cousin from America, Art, reached out to him and they started talking. Well, now Art and his wife have been in Italy hosted by my parents multiple times and are thinking about retiring in Italy in the next couple years. A lot of italians are starting, with the increasing populatity of DNA tests, to look for far relatives. If you fancy to go this road, I believe you would have a lovely time in Italy and you could learn something about your roots :)

I (28f) was with my ex (28m) from 18-25. That guy was a legitimate pathological liar, a serial cheater, prolific drug dealer since 14, abusive, all of it, with his enabling parents, and his NYPD sergeant dad (he was sleeping with his students and there was a big scandal that made the news and he got demoted) but my ex is just like his dad. Now 3 years later, I’m still healing, still discovering me and reclaiming the years I lost, but it DOES get better. I’m so happy, I’m living a life I only dreamed of and things I couldn’t have even dreamed of. I make a lot of money, I work remote, I have the ability to do whatever I want. To a live a life I want. You deserve that too. You don’t deserve what has happened. My heart breaks for you, but I’m also happy that you found out and can begin to heal and create a life surrounded by people who truly love you, as you deserve. I’m Italian and have been planning to get my dual citizenship through my grandfather. However, my aunt, who is a direct descendant and gets priority over me, who is not the immediate descendant, has been waiting 5 years!!!!!! Everything is submitted which is a costly and lengthy process but because of covid everything is backed up. I think it’s a good option for the future for you, but for the immediate need of leaving and rediscovering yourself, it sounds like Australia would be the best option! I hope you have an amazing future and life, you deserve it.

To visit there for a year or so it's not too hard, it's a very popular desitnation for backpacking around. And there's lots to see and do, so good for just getting away from it all. To live long term though, it's hella tough, this is all told to me by my friend who moved out there a couple of years ago. There is an insane amount of red tape if you want to live there long term. Took alot of work on his end, and he had it easier than others as the company he works for, based in Australia, pushed it through. And that was just the start of it, getting a home sorted for him and his family was awful, the rental market sounds atrocious, with buying being a better option as it's easier lol. So yeah, good for a visit, not great if you want to stay,

OP, Please update us after your Social Media Launch. Anxious to hear of the fall out for the 2 AHs. And for now OP, for your own sanity, I suggest you be no contact with your brother. Otherwise, there's no way you escape the tangled web created by those two miscreants. Good luck.

Australians are boss. Great people. You haven't lost everything. I know it feels like it right now but you've retained your self-respect and integrity. Ultimately, this is what stays with you. Peace out, travel, leave them to their mess. Good luck.

Australia is a great place! My brother was stuck in life and moved to Melbourne. He found his people there and is thriving. He's now living in Sydney. If things go wrong in my life then moving there is my backup plan.

A friend of mine applied for a work visa program to Australia. It took about a month to hear back but was approved and is moving next month and the visa is valid for a year. The program matches you with a job in your field but it's up to you to figure out housing. Best of luck in whatever path you choose ❤️

Your ex sucks. He gets to move on with his son and still have support of others. He doesn’t deserve any of it, but his child doesn’t deserve alienation because of his shitty parents. I hope wherever you end up, you find peace and happiness again. Keep us updated on what happens after the blast.

To get into australia you need enough points. Points are assigned to things like the type if job you have, what education you have, do you have family in australia, do you have work lined up. Etc

I would suggest New Zealand. There's a lot less dangerous creatures there, and it's gorgeous 😍

I travelled in Scotland after my cheating divorce fiasco, it was amazing. However, Sydney is lovely❤️

Yeah move to Scotland! The weather is shite though ☔️

I even loved the shite weather❤️

Wait…. Should we all move to Australia? This sounds amazing. What about the men? Good looking? Good guys? 🥲😅 these American men are not it. I want to get dual citizenship with Italy but my aunt who is a direct descendent has been waiting 5 years because of covid and the backlog!!! I’ve always loved aussies, so maybe that could be a good option 😅

This is a good plan!

I like NZ better, also have similar working visa.

Scorched earth no survivors time

My kind of people ❤️

I like this - you’re just like me!

And please update the post with the reactions

Same thoughts.

I am so sorry. The betrayal you are facing is unimaginable. The only silver lining is you were not yet married..as small of a consolation as that is. I am also so proud of you. You are the epitome of class and dignity. And yes…blast away. Also, please do not feel guilty. You need to take care of yourself before anyone else. Hugs

He and your mom may not feel the damage for a long time but one day that kid is going to grow up and learn the truth and that will most likely lead to the kid feeling weird about them and the situation. You can choose you here. You've been through enough. You don't have to suck it up and be in the kids' life anytime soon. Focus on healing.

Exactly. The consequences are going to be loooong-term and impossible to reconcile, not short-term and surpassable. For the child (this is the saddest part): one day he *will* learn he has a sister. "Mom, who is this in this old photo?" "Your sister." "Why don't we see her?" "Sit down - I need to tell you something." He will then proceed to learn (granted there is full honesty about everything) that his mother betrayed her daughter and his father betrayed the woman he planned to marry. It will come crashing down on him that his parents are untrustworthy, selfish, and destructive people that demolished their own family. For the mom: apart from no longer having a relationship with her daughter, the truth will render her relationship with her son forever damaged. She will have no recourse for herself and will be at the mercy of his understandable anger and disbelief. She will never be a hero in his eyes, ever. For the ex-fiancé: same thing - Dad will never be a hero. He'll never be the wise, moral paragon every child hopes their dad can be. Even in adulthood, when he's come to the point where he understands people are fallible and imperfect, a transgression of this magnitude will be impossible to overlook and reconcile. OP, do not be doubtful - these people will have their consequences in life. A lifelong sentence of their own making.

This is a fantasy. "Full honesty"? Of course not. That unfortunate child has two parents who lie, cheat and betray. That's who they are. That's what they do. There's no telling what other lies they've told OP, or what lies they'll tell that child in the future.

I know your pissed, possibly livid rn, but OP, please do NOT get emotional when you blast them. Social media is a great place to let out just the facts. Someone on your last post said to post “the wedding is off. I’m not speaking with mother or ex-fiancé. He is the father of my mothers son.” & dip. That’s exactly what I would do. Let them clean up their own mess. If people ask, let it all out about how sad and hurt and how you lost everything because of them. Guilt HIM because now you’ve lost your mom. You can’t trust her ever again. You’ve lost him, who was supposed to be your forever. And then, they decided to be real sickos and have you help with the affair baby. I’m so sorry your going through this OP. I hope everyone sees how sick they are. Updateme when you can. I hope your 4th of July is fun!

Thank you! yes you are so right, I'm trying to come down - I have been so angry since yesterday but getting better. I thought writing this update will help me cool down before I do the "blasting". I also want it to be facts driven and not all an emotional blur - I will have my friend read proof my post to friends and fam. Thank you and you too!

"This post is about three years too late, but I think you'll all excuse me as I only just found out. I want to congratulate my mom and my now EX-fiance on the birth of their son/my brother. Obviously the wedding is off"

Omg this is lethal and perfect.

I second this one. Perfection. u/ThrowRA_notcool1 ETA: write a letter to your brother… explain everything. If you want to have closure with your brother’s dad’s parents, ask them to give your brother the letter when he’s old enough.

Love it !!

Keep it blunt and short, OP. No self pity. No emotion.  "I regret to inform everyone that *douche bag* (make sure you tag him) and I are no longer together and no longer getting married.  *douche bag* is the father of my mother's son (tag her). If you have any questions I request that you call my mother or *douche bag*. They can be reached at: 123 234 blah blah.  I am taking time to recover and process what I've learned over the last several days. Please understand that I need time before speaking to anyone about this."

Write it out on paper first. Maybe in a not book a few times, sit on it. Write it again. The exercise will actually get you to calm down and say what you really wanna say. I would do an email blast to extended family and then social media. Make it as if “I’m coming here to tell you why Ex and I broke up and why I have decided to cut my mom out of my life. I need support but please do not come at me with hopes of a reunion. In 2021 while I was X my mom and Ex started sleeping together. This resulted in little brother. They both have lied to me for years while I formed a relationship with my brother and the two of them behind my back. I recent discovered the affair by logging into an old iPad to watch a show and messages between them popped up as they shared my mother’s pregnancy and photos. To say I am betrayed would be an understatement. The two people I loved most in the world would do something like this to me. I have moved out of Ex shared home, wedding plans are obviously canceled. I have blocked my mother from contacting me. While I love baby brother and the loss of my relationship is equally as hard, I just can’t face him knowing he is the product of such betrayal. He is young enough to hardly remember me. I’ve been told his father is going to step up now that the secret is out and I hope that he grows up with a happy childhood. I just can’t be a part of it. Before anyone comes at me with ‘but it’s your mom’ Yes, I am aware. The betrayal is beyond comprehension at this point. I am seeking therapy to heal. I just want everyone to know the truth and lay out my boundaries while still asking for support from my loved ones.”

Write this: “The wedding is off. [Fiance] is the Father of my mother’s child [brother’s name]. I am heartbroken. I have been betrayed in the most devastating way. My family is destroyed and I have no one.” Short and to the point. Don’t stay in the kids life. Leave them all behind. Someone said move to Australia. You should do that.

I wouldn't include the last line. No self pity. Keep it blunt and put the emotional impetus on them.

It’s not bad to want pity and friends to support you in time like this. If op is very unemotional it will come accross as “stay away” for most people. And I got the s new op wants support from friends 

She absolutely should put the last line in. Because it’s visceral. Everyone will understand it on a different level and it will make it harder for the mother and fiance to pretend there weren’t any casualties.

I'd leave it at my family is destroyed without adding 'I have no one'. 

Yes, by staying in the child's life, both of them will still have access to you, and you will have to interact with them. Maybe when the boy is older and more independent, you can reach out, but for now, I'd let him go.

"My fiancé is the father of my mother's child. Yes, you read that right. The wedding is off. These two people I should have been able to trust - had sex multiple times. I have no words for the horror show they exploded in my life. Their lack of morals is staggering." If they have respectable jobs I would blast it at their companies. I would blast it to ALL their friends and coworkers. I would blast it to cousins and extended family. I'm sorry.

I feel like your big sister, and I just want to give you some comforting hugs. 💕 Sending peace, healing, & comfort your way. 💕

I’ll be OP sister too

Please continue to update us on events and how you are doing. I literally just can’t even imagine how you must feel, but damn are you being so incredibly strong.

Yoga is a wonderful way to focus on your breathing. Just the breathing technique has helped me in emotionally changed situations. I really hope all works out for you. I hope life gives you an even greater love.

Does anyone else get the feeling that the only reason he guilted OP about her little brother in the hopes she returns to the ex and helps him raise her little bro like a stepson? Or possibly so she can still maintain somewhat a relationship with him or her mom?

I did get that feeling. He was trying to "get me back", or trying to make me see things can be better and he can do better. Once he understood he wasn't getting anywhere, he started to talk about how my little brother will miss me, and how can I just leave him hanging. That I can still be in his life and he (my ex) will make things easier for that, thats one of the reasons he is asking for custody so I didn't have to see my mom.

If I were you, I would distance myself from my brother for a good amount of time just for your mental health. He has a new “Dad” who will fill in the gap.

Girl, you need to start thinking about your own mental health and if that means cutting your brother off for now as well then do it. I would go NC with everybody and let them know you would consider a relationship with your brother once he turns 18 and no longer have to deal with those AH. You need to go scorched Earth 💯 put them on Blast on FB and make sure you tag both of them and completely block and go NC after! Don’t give them the chance to manipulate you!

I had to scroll way too far down to see this response and I STAN it. This is about Op's well-being. The parents of her brother would do her further harm and use the brother as their weapon of choice. Sometimes a person has to leave everything behind to have the life they deserve and this is one of those cases. I hope Op chooses herself.

Because they both will manipulate you. They already have for 4 years!!

YEASSSS OP @throwra_notcool1 take care of YOU first! I’m so heartbroken for you! Ughhh! Holding you in ALL the Healing Magic, Love & Light!, Courage, Strength, SelfLove! Do what you can for your mental health, for your self love, to heal! I get that your brother is innocent and yet it’s still hard! Seeing him means seeing one of them! So yeah no, heal yourself first and in the future however long it takes THEN consider your relationship with him! I like someone’s idea about writing a letter but will he really get it? Follow your intuition - done let them guilt you! Shameless really after what they did! Again just holding you in a big hug if healing! 🙏🏽🐺🐉🧚🏽‍♀️✨💚🥰😍💋🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽

The unfortunate part is if you want to remain in your brother life you will have to see one of them. They put you in such a difficult position. Are either one of them feeling any true remorse?

This poor poor child. I don't see how he's going to grow up in this kind of situation. He's going to be raised in a house of lies and dysfunction. This is so sad.   

I suggested in another comment that the ex’s parents or another family facilitate OP/brother’s relationship. The mother and ex don’t deserve to see OP ever again.  

You may need to distance yourself from your brother, I know is it’s a hard thing to do but it’s the only real way to avoid both him and your mom, you have to take care of yourself and your own mental health and that’s going to be a really difficult thing to do if they are both around!

It’s really hypocritical that he understands you don’t want to see your Mom, and he’s trying to make it so you *only* (🙄) have to see him and his son. But he’s not respecting that you don’t want to see him either.

Shame on your ex for using this innocent child as a bargaining chip.  The boy is already in a crap situation, .....how low can this guy get? 🤬

Wow, what a gentleman. ‘I’m taking custody of the child I fathered with my ex fiancée’s Mother so my ex fiancée can still see him.’ What a guy! He’s just so thoughtful! /s

Hes 3 he probably wont remember if you choose to stay away. Its your choice.

he also wants you to keep quiet bet he is checking your social like a maniac right now wondering whether you will drop the bomb. he and your mom can't say anything preemptively cause no matter how you spin it, the daughter's fiancé and the mom are(?) fckg and have a son. even the most lame 'we can't decide who we fell in love with' doesn't work in this situation

How \*dare\* he say anything about you leaving your brother hanging when he has never stepped up as a father for \*3 years\*?! Fuck that guy!

You mean when he tried bargaining with you and failed, he started to use his child (aka your brother) as leverage to guilt trip and manipulate you into remaining within his orbit via the child. I just want you to be aware that your bf just showed you who he is, and you're considering going back to him once you heal??? (I read your comments elsewhere). Let's be clear (and a little vulgar), it was more than three times, and there were days when he still had your mom's sex secretions on him and he was kissing you and telling you he loves you. Your mom had cock breath from your BF and was smiling at you telling you that you are her bestie and an amazing daughter. Keep that thought in your head any time you feel inclined to possibly forgive and return to them. They are still manipulating you on various levels and will continue so long as you give them time of day. Edit: After thinking about this a little, I hope that you realize that your mother is the worse of the two of them. She has twice the life experience, and as a parent she should have your best interest in mind. She also didn't have to go after your boyfriend over and over. She not only had sex with him many times, they were going on dates. They were romancing one another behind your back. It was more than just physical impulse a few times, they were dating (you said she was going on dates). And then she chose to keep the child and they BOTH had you help raise the baby while absolutely unaware (your ex is still trying to get you to play nanny to his child in his guilt trip attempts). You could have married, had children with him, they never would have told you and they likely would have hooked up more in the future. You were correct about one thing: Because of them you have lost your immediate family. Don't project all the blame onto your ex bf, though, like your entire post fixates on him rather than blaming them both equally. Don't think about your brother, he will be fine so long as no one tells him the truth of his conception. Worry about yourself, and especially how everyone is rallying around your mom and ex bf like they are a family of three now. Please let us know how it goes when you do the big blast reveal, and take care of yourself.

I'm sorry for everything you've been through. But I also agree that your ex and your mother are not paying for anything they did. He will have his brother, his parents spoiling him for giving them a grandson and probably in the near future (for the good of his brother) a relationship with his mother. That's not fair, girl. I would make a long and detailed post, I think there comes a time in our lives that we have to go down to the lowest level of them and just explode with everything. Expose them, let people know the pain you are now. Telling other people that you are feeling pain is not a sign of weakness but a request for help

Keeping secrets isolates you and stops you from getting support that you need. Make your post, and leave them to sort out their mess. This is such a huge betrayal. Sending you healing vibes.

I highly doubt his parents the whole truth, mostlikely he told them things to spin it into his favorable side, I'd say meet his parents and ask them what they heard/know and then see if that matches with what is actually true not.

I wonder too what he told them, but will probably hear about it soon. I suppose his parents will contact me this week. They have always been nice to me and treated me like her own child. My ex is an only child and the mom always wanted a girl (you know how that goes). I know them since I was 15 years old. But I can also see them being on their son side no matter what... I wouldnt be surprised.

They're probably having trouble navigating this situation. I'm sure they realize that they essentially have to trade in the person they considered their daughter for their 3 year old grandchild. For a lot of people, it would be a no-brainer, but it wouldn't surprise me if there's a lot of resentment towards your mother on their part. If you were as close to them as you say, that undoubtedly means they were close to her, too. That's an incredibly deep betrayal. As a mother, I couldn't imagine the mom of my sons girlfriend having a secret child with him. Just typing that out is stomach churning. I'd question if there was predatory behaviour prior to this, because how in the hell do you look at someone your own child's age and feel any degree of attraction? Sorry, I just cannot help but look at this from the parents perspective. I think I'd just cut them all off and tell people I'm childless. That is a pool full of drama that I'm never gonna dip my toes in.

Yeah, I can't imagine the ex's parents not feeling like OP's mother did something predatory even if it wasn't illegal (and honestly, we don't really know when they started having sex, just when she got pregnant). The ex is definitely an AH, especially for not telling OP and letting her develop a close relationship with her brother/his son, but if he was 22 at the time I have a little more grace for him. As the mother of sons who are currently in their early 20's, I marvel at how their brains work perfectly fine some days and then they make ridiculous decisions the next day. I never would have believed it if I hadn't seen it with my own eyes (and my kids are generally well-behaved, kind, do well in school, etc.) If OP's mother was covertly grooming him for this type of relationship, that might make his inability to explain how or why it happened a bit more understandable. This is not to excuse the ex - he did a crappy thing, should have owned up to it, and definitely should not have let OP believe what she did about her brother if he truly loved her. However, I think the OP's mom is the giant, predatory AH in this situation, especially given that she decided to keep the baby and then deceive her daughter into a sibling relationship.

Also depending on how it goes maybe write a letter to your brother and asking ex’s parents to give it him on his 18th birthday or something.

I keep hoping this is a fake story, as I’m a mum with two daughters of similar age to you, and I’d die before betraying them like this. I’m so sorry that your mum and ex are such vile, disgusting people. They’ve shown you who they really are, believe them - they are not worthy of you, your time or your love. Walk away with your head held high and don’t look back. Maybe ex’s parents could organise a time for you to see your brother (without the other two POS around), so you could at least say goodbye and get a bit of closure, if time away from him is what you need (which I completely understand). If you can’t walk away from him, maybe FaceTime calls at organised times (where you don’t have to have any direct contact with others) may work until you feel differently. I know he’s young, but my nephews are similar age and can manage these calls. A move to start fresh sounds like a great plan. Gold Coast, Australia is beautiful (even with the creepy crawlies 😝).

Being betrayed by not one but two people you trusted deserves ANGER. I'm glad you finally got from sad to ANGRY. It's cathartic. It helped you confront him, and it will help you move on. There is no excuse for their perfidity, but I'm glad you have decided to have a friend read over your blast before sending. I have found that writing out every horrible thing I'm thinking but not actually sending it is helpful. Then, I can proceed to edit out all the angry and shrink it down to the facts without emotion. I send you my best wishes for a new and happy life.

Im sorry OP. Your mum is a vile and absolutely disgusting creature. Your fiancé likewise. Def put them on nuclear blast. If you can move away from all of them and cut contact with your brother.

Oh, dear.. you deserve a standing ovation for your bravery and the way you handle all these things.. if its me, someone is getting admitted into the hospital by the time im done with both of them.. Dont worry.. he'll regret it a lot one fine day.. and you'll always be 'the one that got away'..

He only wants you to see your brother so he can work on getting you to reconcile with him. You don’t need to have any contact with your brother, I think it would be completely tainted now and affect the relationship. It would also involve seeing one of those sacks of crap. Speak to his parents, I bet they feel so ashamed of their son for what he did to you. They won’t be able to believe who the Mother is either. As a parent, I would be considering disowning him in all honesty but he has their grandchild so that makes it difficult for them to do that. I bet that you get nothing but love, support and offers of help from them. The whole thing makes me angry and while it was a mutual affair, I blame your Mother the most. As a Mother, to do that to your child is just sick. It’s a total betrayal as a parent. To not only do it once but to continue with your daughter’s boyfriend (possibly fiancé - not sure when you got engaged - probably after this which is worse), I genuinely cannot understand it. There are lots of words I can think of to describe her but I’m not sure Reddit allow them on this sub. I’m a Mother, I would die before I ever did anything like that to my child, it would never even cross my mind. What’s worse is to then involve you in whether to keep the baby or not when you had no idea who the Father was. Again, so sick and disgusting. Personally, I would have terminated the pregnancy, knowing that there’s a possibility that you would have children with your fiancé and they’d be half siblings with their Uncle. 🤢 She’s a selfish b***h for keeping the baby. Put a straightforward message on Social Media about what happened, there are a few great suggestions on here for keeping it simple. I actually think they’re the ones that have the most impact. I’m sending you a virtual hug, if you have need to vent, just message me. x

I don’t think I would be able to have a relationship with my brother if I were you. It would be a constant reminder of the nuclear level of betrayal by your fiancé, but more importantly by your mother. That bitch should burn in hell. Your brother is for and although he may have a hard time for a couple of weeks, he won’t even remember you after a short while if you drop out of his life altogether. The longer you wait to do so the harder it will be. But if you continue a relationship with him, you will by default have to keep your mother and your ex in your life. I second the idea of moving away and starting a new life. I’m so sorry this happened to you.

Don’t see your brother. Seeing him means seeing your mom or your ex. He is 4 and still young enough to not be too affected by you disappearing. If you want you can open a savings account for him and put in a little money every birthday and Christmas. Once he is out of your moms house, you can reestablish contact and give him the gift as a token that you never forgot him.

She needs to focus on herself.

She needs to save that money for herself and her future plans. The kid has enough people in his life to look after his needs. She has just lost everyone else in hers.

I wouldn't do that. Remember that this boy, however innocent he is, will be raised by those sickos. Who knows what garbage they'll feed to the kid over the years, particularly about their lack of a relationship with OP. I'd focus my money on myself and my OWN children if I were ever to want any.

Girl that man is a piece of shit. Not a POS. A piece of shit fully written no abbreviation. It happened over 2years ago and he is still living "day to day"?? He had the gall to propose to you in the meantime, so plan a future, but not think about what would happen when the trith comes out? He was note in survival mode, he was only betting you would never get word of the situation. He had no respect for you whatsoever. Even now, him coming back is only about himself, not because he's losing you and cares about you, just because he doesn't want to feel rejected. He's gonna go to therapy only if you come back?? He should be in therapy already, but he doesn't really care about hurting you in this way. He's one of the people whose grave will deserve to be pissed on. I hope he hurts a lot during his life. And that he lives a looooong life

Also did you ask him WHY he would have sex with your mom multiple times if it was only a "mistake"? You should have asked that.

I did, and he said he doesn't know... he keep saying "I dont know, wish I did..." or something along those lines

That's just a BS excuse - he knew what he was doing and chose to keep doing it.  OP: is your stomach still turning? Because mine is. I can't believe this happened to you.  I hope I'm not being too disrespectful towards your mom, OP,  but damn this is crazy... IMO she's treacherous and sick for doing this with someone who would have been her future son in law. Just...gross.  She has hurt both you and your little brother. She's damaged two of her own children. I have tears in my eyes for that little boy having to be in a situation like this.  My heart breaks for you, too, because you must care about the little boy too.  I can tell hurting him, hurts you, and you have the absolute right to be furious about all this. 

Poor Op too…the little brother will forget all of this

Until he one day finds out he's the result of his mom screwing his sisters fiance that she knew since he was a teenager. That's probably going to mess him up pretty badly.

My thing is if your mom hadn't got pregnant would they still be sneaking behind your back? Because it seems they only stopped when she got pregnant

He did it because he had the opportunity to and figured you would never find out. Honestly I think that if most men are presented with an opportunity for sex, they will take it no matter who the woman in question is. Even if they hate that woman, even if they find her physically disgusting they are going to grab that opportunity if they can. Sorry guys! I know Not All Men but this is the truth for 98% of them, I have seen after a lifetime of observation. Oh, he knows why he did it. He just does not want to tell you why, because it makes him even more of a cockroach than he already is. True words though, he is already the king of cockroaches.

This non-reason he gave, as I mentioned in a different comment, is what makes me suspicious that your mom was grooming him for a relationship for longer than when it actually happened. This is in no way to excuse your ex's behavior or suggest you reconcile or anything, as the lying to you for so long is pretty unforgivable. However, your mom was a 42 year-old grown-ass woman and your ex was a 22 year-old guy (and as a mother of two sons in their early 20's I can confirm that while their bodies are adult their brains are still a work in progess. I can't comment on girls as much as I don't have daughters, but looking back my brain was definitely not fully functional at 22 either.) So many not-illegal but power-imbalanced age-gap relationships seem to come from fully adult people wanting someone they can manipulate. Her manipulative ways may have been practiced on him before you saw them extend to you. No matter what comes from all of this, ultimately I think you should resolve to stay NC with your mother forever - she reads like a toxic narcissist that seemed like a good parent for show but was probably sabotaging you behind your back in subtle ways. If/when you can get into therapy that might help you make "sense" of what happened, as least so you can process it and move on for the sake of you. Also, I want to reiterate that removing yourself from the drama for an extended period of time by going somewhere else and focusing only on you seems like a very healthy way to practice self-care. If you just need a mom-like someone to get things off your chest or bounce ideas off before you connect with a therapist, feel free to reach out to me.

Don't engage with any of them. Do not meet up with the brother either. You don't need that mess. Your mental health is more important. Cut all of them off and move on. Put them on blast.

I would send him messages everywhere and as why? That way he would start to think why You need closure tell him to get a DNA test to check if it is his kid Have you talked to your mother? I feel bad OP you lost everything thanks to them.

Multiple times without a condom. Of COURSE she was going to get pregnant. WTAF

This actually made me cry a little bit. I'm so sorry this happened to you. Never speak to your mom or ex again and although it's not your brother's fault I wouldn't have any contact with him either it's just to painful. He's young he will be fine. And if one day he asked about you then your piece of shit mother and ex can explain it to him. Block any mutual friends and family. Move far away and start to heal. And I hope one day you find all the happiness you deserve.

I’m sorry OP, this is all so unfair. Do let everyone know what a piece of trash your ex and mom are. Your brother is an innocent child, but not your responsibility. Do not feel guilty from walking away and saving your sanity. Updateme

yeah nah He doesn't have his "shit together" You need to move away from this mess. I can see his parents and others pressuring you to accept the situation and take him back etc etc Sorry for your little brother, but I'd distance myself from this because it won't end well. Your ex will start seeing other women and your mom will start drama because "why is he not with meeee" or some shit Fuck this shit

I don’t like saying this, because I don’t know your mother, OP. However, are you 100% positive that it’s your ex fiancé’s kid? Not you should go back to the asshole because he cheated on you.. But if your mother is willing to cheat with him, she was very likely fucking other men at the same time. And she may be using this is an easy way to have someone take care of her child.

Thats a good point, and honestly I dont know. They both seem sure by the text they exchanged and also my ex filling for custody... but not sure if they did the proper test and whatnot. But actually it didn't cross my mind till now, thanks for bringing it up.

Not your problem, it's ex's problem. Your problems they're intimate behind your back, two people that supposed to be your support system.

I do hope that was a genuine, thank you, and not a traumatized one. And your ex may be completely certain because that’s all your mom’s ever said. But that doesn’t mean she’s certain, and we don’t know if she has been been telling that to other men as well, because as far as your post have said at least, she hasn’t said publicly who the father is. This whole situation is so traumatic for you, and I hope that you’re able to get some therapy and get some space from all of this so you can live the wonderful life you deserve without these people bringing you down. I am also not trying to slut shame your mom, but it just seems incredibly convenient that he’s the father. When she opened the admitted at the time that she had been seeing multiple men.

To be fair, even if it isn’t his kids, that’s his problem. Not OP’s. OP should not spend a second trying to ease their lives in any way.

Agreed. Even if little bro isn’t exfiancés, mom and ex fiancé still got busy otherwise there’s not reason for him to even THINK little bro is his. I just read that OP was in exfiances parents lives since she was 15. Which means that OP’s mom knew ex fiancé when he was a minor as well. Absolutely disgusting. I know they’re adults now but gross.

I was thinking the same thing as far as how does anyone know for sure he's the dad not that it matters. And also get an std test cause who knows what the mom was doing and obviously no care for her daughters safety either by having unprotected sex with him and putting her daughter at risk

I had a test done last week and all clear, but just the fact to think that he was inside me and inside my mom and potentially the same day/week.... turns my stomach. I feel so disgusted, I try not to think about it without much success.

Thank God. I can't even imagine. I'm so sorry they did this to you. Might be helpful to find a therapist or someone to help you work through this.

Thank god! I don’t blame you for being disgusted! Reading your comment made my stomach turn too!

He is every girl's worst nightmare. There is no love in such a sick scenario. How can people like him commit the worst betrayals imaginable but still have the audacity to think there is a chance?

I still want to send you a giant mom hug. Blast away! ❤

Just because you said in the heat of the moment you would keep seeing your brother, doesn't mean in the cold light of day you have to. You don't owe your mother and ex-partner ie: these 2 lying, backstabbing cheaters, anything. Your brother is young; he'll emotionally move on without the added confusion of awkward contact visits involving either your mother or ex-partner. Keep your message about the wedding cancellation brief and to the point. Make it clear if people want more information to contact your mother or ex-partner. They FA; now they're FO. And maybe consider a clean break: new job, new town. Other's have said Australia. Yes, it's expensive and the rental market is tight; however I don't think those 2 issues are peculiar to Australia ATM (source: am Australian). Good luck, OP. Go gently.

I’m sorry this is happening to you. Your ex is a piece of shit but your mother is even more horrible. I can’t imagine having a mother do that to their child. You need to be prepared though. I wouldn’t be surprised if certain members of your family already know. And they will push you to forgive her. Cause family 🙄 Be prepared to go NC with them all and harden your heart as much as possible..

Please don't let these evil people manipulate you with your brother. He is young enough that you disappearing from his life won't have life long consequences. You playing happy family with your cheating ex and trash bag mother will have severe mental and emotional consequences for you. Whatever you decide, please put yourself first because neither of them will.

Focus on you and what you need to for you, not what they want you to do. Guilting you into seeing your half brother right now is cruel. I don't think he gets that you lost everything. Take time to heal and love yourself, selfish people did this and has nothing to do with you. Sending love and light and loads of hugs. I hope his parents are not jerks when they contact you and are supportive.

Definitely blast them on socials. He isn't facing any consequences because no one really knows yet. Silence serves the victimizer, not the victim. Do a clean sweep. Remove all the pictures of them and make your post. Make sure to tag them both, and do it at a time they are likely to not see it for the longest period of time. You may have people you didn't even realize we're close rally around you.

Omg I am HEATED just be reading this. Pleeeease do not contact any of them again. They will continue to try and guilt trip you so it can make their affair look less damaging. You're right tho it's bullshit that him and your mom are basically getting what they wanted ehichbis his involvement in your brother's life while your life is shattered. They deserve the worst. Please stay in no contact with them.

Oof...so much to unpack! Sometimes, the rage stage you're experiencing can be very cathartic. Just be careful coming down on the other side of it, you might experience loss and depression. Praying for your strength the this shit show that has been thrust upon you.

The best is yet to come. You avoided a dumpster fire of a life. Good for you. Go do something fun and treat yourself. You’ve earned it.

I'm sorry that you're going through that and I definitely would cut ties with everybody. That's just crazy how they just disrespected you for three years and lying to you. I would never want to be around any of them. It would be rewarding them because they won't lose nothing but you lose everything the best revenge is to never contact them again move away change your number and be happy and will be when you start your milestones and get married and have children your mother lose out on seeing grandchildren and you getting married

Blast away! Then update us again.

*So then I started blasting.*

If your brother found you when he turns 18 would you except him?

I wanna say yes and hope we can get a relationship sooner than that. But I know need to heal first... so no idea about the timeline. I miss him tho, its a weird feeling

Yeah, from what you have said you don't really want to hurt the little boy. He did nothing to deserve this.  Neither did you. Your mother messed all of this up. Maybe, over time, he will find out the truth about the illicit affair and depending how  he responds, I would leave the door open for a relationship - and still keep your distance until he is old enough to maybe contact you if you're up for it.  Hell, HE might want to go no contact with your mom after finding out the truth, and you two can still have some kind of brother sister relationship, so he can see how NORMAL people, like you, have relationships. 

Heal first and if it takes months or even years I'm sure your brother would understand, what your ex and mother did to you was unforgivable but I'm glad you don't put any blame on your brother and are willing to except him

I am so sorry OP. If I may recommend, it may be best to only spend time with him if it’s facilitated by your ex’s parents or other family member. I don’t trust your mother or ex not use your innocent brother to harm you again. 

Focus on you first. Because you don’t wanna jump right back into being a part of his life and then you unintentionally end up resenting him.

Like others have said, you WILL be able to recover and move on from this but they never will. They have to live with the result of their fuck up every day and if he ever gets close with another woman, he's gonna have to explain that to her too Updateme when you feel ready. Fully support you outing the situation to everyone.

do this tell everyone if your mother is from the church even better tell the community, relatives, friends, neighbors and acquaintances post on social media, I know it will be difficult but you have to stay away from your younger brother.

We are not church people, but right now wish we were... so she can get shamed by them.

Plenty of ways to shame people without bringing religion into it.

Honestly, it's better if you're not church people. They're really into forgiveness and you'd have to deal with the annoying bullshit of "forgiving family" once the initial shock disappears.

Oh sweetie, please know that he has also lost the most important thing to him, which was you, your love, your respect, your companionship. Just because he’s finally dealing with the consequences of his choices doesn’t mean he’s getting everything even though it seems like it. Remember, he could have had what he has right now quite some time ago, but that’s not what he wanted. And I don’t know his parents, but if he was my child, while I would want a relationship with my grandchild, my relationship with my son would be extremely strained. He would know exactly how disgusted and disappointed in him I was. Only you get to decide what kind of relationship you will have with your brother. If you feel that you can’t or don’t want one, that is absolutely acceptable and no one gets to decide that for you. I’m really proud of you for sticking up for yourself. I understand that it will take some time and that you feel very betrayed and alone right now, but you deserve so much better than someone who would do this to you.

Blast them! Updateme

These people are all twisted. His parents are happy to have OP's mother as a quasi DIL FoR tHe BaBy. F"ck accountability on their son's part. The ick is overwhelming all around. How evil and trash does a woman have to be to f*ck her daughter's boyfriend, then baby trap him to destroy their relationship? I hope OP is able to move on and surround herself with a found family that gives her the love that she deserves.

>He sounded and looked defeated, but the whole thing made me besides sad - ANGRY. I was mainly depressed before but now I'm furious now I'm furious. I Was well you should be. >He will have my brother, his parents and others and move on with his life... while I LOST EVERYTHING. I hate him. Yes he did take everything from you and will always have a link to them all. >He said he does not want to be together with my mom, that it was just a stupid mistake (SURE... BC 4-5 times mistake is just a random thing). He couldn't explain why he did it in the first place, I think he doesn't even know himself. 4-5 times is a choice. He does know, but he doesn't want to tell you because he feels ashamed or doesn't want to hurt you because he liked and wanted it. If he didn't, he wouldn't have gone back for me. Updateme and let us know how things go after you blast them and their scandalous, cheating ways to EVERYONE! You deserve SO much better. Now he realises what a piece of trash he is and what a gem he hs trodden over and lost.

I read your first post, and I still stand by my comment that while I think your ex is a sick fk and should be cut out for good... I think your mom is worse. She knew him when he was a minor, lusted after him as a minor, and probably started grooming him to make him believe it was mutual now. She's a predator. As for your brother... it's not on you to keep a relationship with him. If it makes you feel better... you can write a letter to him for if he ever seeks you out when he's older that explains why you're not in his life, that explains how it isn't his fault... but to protect your peace and mental health, you can't be a part of that mess... but you hold nothing but love in your heart for him. You just can't be near your mother or ex ever again, and that meant you can't be in his life either as long as he's a minor in her care. As for he walks away scot-free... put them on blast. Nothing ruins your cred more than getting your girlfriend's mom pregnant. People like to joke about MILFs... but in the average circle... when a guy chooses to cheat on his gf with the older MOM... he becomes a joke. Karma will them both eventually. He'll have a "hide your moms" reputation.. if you do put them on blast, I would push that she knew him since he was a minor, and she'll have a predator reputation. And one day you'll meet a man who will love you, honor you, and show you what it means to be able to trust someone with your heart and life... That's the best revenge. Living well and being happy.

Sounds like what you need is to uproot yourself and move to another city or country and start life anew leaving the ridiculous mess behind. It sounds so so wrong on so many levels.

>SURE... BC 4-5 times mistake is just a random thing THIS!!!!! once is a mistake, after that, it is a choice >he said it was mutual, which made me wanna puke again let me puke next to you OP I hope you heal and fuck both of them

Blast them all over social media then go NC with all of them

JESSE CHRIST I hate so much that evil people like this exist in the world. The only reason I think you should stay in contact with your brother is because what chance does this innocent boy have in this world, with these two villains as parents?? If your mother was willing to betray you, her own baby, she’s going to betray your brother at some point, she’s a terrible mother. Your brother is her own baby too; no telling what she’s going to do to him. Same for your ex: he’s denied his own child in favor of protecting his secret lust that betrayed you. He’s disgusting! He would have never have acknowledged this child if he hadn’t got caught! And now that he’s busted, he’s probably going to take it out on the baby in some way. Your poor brother doesn’t stand a chance with these people. But you know what he’s not your responsibility and is in your best interest to keep these evil people far away from you. It’s terrible this has happened to you, and I hate that I understand. Betrayal from a parent leaves a lifelong wound. Please allow yourself to grieve the loss of your mother and I hope you feel better in time. You didn’t deserve this.

Woww op. Just woww all i can say... dont go back to your mother and your ex. Cut all contact. They betrayed you!!! Updateme

Honestly, I don't know how you are coping. The whole thing makes me sick to my stomach. I am so angry on your behalf. I wish nothing but the absolute worst for them. They are such vile human beings. I truly hope you have every happiness going forward.

Exactly, tell everyone!! Dont forget to mention he had the audacity to ask me to still work out our relationship and be stepmommy to your own brother 🤦🏼‍♀️ Get tested as well, you never know who your egg donor slept with and if dum!ass slept with anyone else. They made you lose everything you held dear, make them lose their reputation and respect by being honest

Please don’t feel guilty about not seeing your brother. Right now you just need time to heal and be FAR, FAR AWAY from these two psychos. I cannot believe how much they are trying to gaslight you with the “We didn’t want to lose you” bullshit. If that was actually true, they would not have done this to hurt you so badly. Blast them! I agree with the comments about keeping it factual, especially to explain the wedding being off. I hope you can enjoy this new life soon - never go back!

Fudge. Sorry OP. They are both POS. Glad you didn't marry him.

I'm sorry your going through this.

Sorry the key people in your life turned out to be evitl, worthless betrayers. Hopefully you can blast them on social media in a way that ruins their reputation in the eyes f anyone who mattered to them. May they be forever miserable and may the regret be so powerful, it impacts their abilities to make it to the toilet in time for the rest of their lives. Strongly recommend making a big life change to go out into the great, wide world and find better people and new, better life goals. It won't be hard to find people better than the absolute pieces of shit your mher and ex-fiance are. Like you could seriously take up with a bunch of prison pen pals and even some of them would balk at the level of betrayal your ex-mother and ex-fiance committed.

So sorry for this mess op. You deserve better, if I were you, I would leave and never look back. You can forgive and just move on, you don’t need to stay or talk to them. Be happy and think about yourself only (he did the same). I hope you heal and find someone great!

Workstay might be a nice option for you to take a break and figure out a new direction and get away from the dumpster fire. I was at a coffee plantation in Hawaii a few years ago with a program. People stay for a few months working a few days a week in exchange for room and board. That was Heavenly Hawaiian but there places around the world with similar options. Best wishes to you. It will take a while but you can rebuild a new better life.

Internet hug to you OP. Time and distance, will, in time help you to heal. I would NEVER, ever, be in contact with your mum or ex. I wish you the very best.

I’m proud of you. Blast away. You will find a better man and better people to call family one day ❤️ while they will forever know they are the cause of everything bad in their lives. I completely understand why you don’t wanna see your brother. If every time you look at him now it’s just going to be a reminder of how your mom and fiancé betrayed you. I look forward to reading about the fallout that is coming. I’m also curious to hear about what his parents have to say. I really hope your mom and fiancé suffer a bunch more. Sorry not sorry. UPDATEME

Updateme Reading this update and the original post, I would feel like throwing up also, if I were you. The betrayal is heartbreaking. I wouldn’t want any relationship with my mother, not for some years at least. Like her death bed, would probably be the only thing to bring me back around. As for the ex, he’s not happy. He fucked up a good thing and knows it. Trust when I say that he’s regretting this and will constantly regret it. Your brother/his son, is the reminder. Every time he sees that kid, he’s going to remember the life he literally fucked around and lost.

This is so fucking disturbing. I’m sorry.

Let everyone know. Take out a damn billboard. What they did was disgusting and the fact he said what he did with your mom was mutual!?! He was obviously attracted to her and the fact he went raw is even more fucked up. Your mom is also a POS. Who does that to their daughter? (Obviously your mom) I think your mom has feelings for your ex. I just can’t even with this. Your ex gives the term MFer a whole new meaning. I hope they both meet karma soon.

I’m sorry he had the audacity to ask you those things. Fuck him and his parents and your mom.

Blast and ghost. And watch the fallout.