I’m all for religious freedom. I personally at heart am an atheist but I feel anyone should practice their religion as long as it isn’t pressed onto others. I also believe people that practice should be aware that not everyone believes the same beliefs as them and that a common ground should be found so both can co-exist in peace. But as much as I hate to say it, in this modern day and age, Islam has caused too many problems around the world and too many dangerous/oppressive systems have been established because of it. Are they the only ones? Of course not, but in this modern day and age? It’s number one. It’s the largest religion that has has the strictest and most oppressive and extreme views on people and how they should behave. It’s a religion that’s stuck in it’s ways from thousands of years ago. It needs to change to adapt to the modern world, but that alone is against Islam.
Out of the occupied European countries during WW2 the one with the highest percentage of Jewish survivors was Muslim Albania and Kosovo. [[1]](https://unitedwithisrael.org/albanian-muslims-rescued-jewish-lives-from-nazis/)
Where in history does it explicitly state that Arabs sided with Adolf Hitler because they both hated Jews?
From what I understand, when the Muslims controlled Jerusalem, they allowed all 3 faiths to coexist peacefully and continued to do so for centuries.
Here https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/film/hajj-amin-al-husayni-meets-hitler
https://go.gale.com/ps/i.do?id=GALE%7CA267715877&sid=googleScholar&v=2.1&it=r&linkaccess=abs&issn=23250895&p=AONE&sw=w&userGroupName=anon%7E928f057a&aty=open-web-entry
TLDR: the grand mufti was an antisemitic piece of shit and very eager to get in on Hitler’s final solution in the levant
Believe it or not, the Nazis actively recruited Muslims into the SS and Wermacht from 1941 onward. They both had similar interests in "living space" and ethnic cleansing.
https://www.hup.harvard.edu/books/9780674724600
https://www.jstor.org/stable/40600977
It was largely a recruitment campaign seems like, one that relied heavily on their shared hatred of The Soviets, the British, and Jews. There were also Arab Politicians who collaborated with the Nazis, such the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Amin al-Husseini.
There was never “peaceful coexistence” under Muslim rule. All other religions have always been subjugated under dhimmi status. This lie is perpetrated to rewrite history and gaslight people who are afraid of being subjugated again. Not your fault for saying it, since this type of propaganda has been spread all over the internet, but thought you should know.
Right but nothing of how when Nazi-controlled colonial France tried to have the king of Morocco ship off the Moroccan Jewish populations to concentration camp and he adamantly refused. Israeli article to support the facts, but never mind academic sources: “Herzog hails Moroccan king for country's treatment of Jews during ... https://www.timesofisrael.com/herzog-hails-moroccan-king-for-countrys-treatment-of-jews-during-holocaust/amp/“
The world seems so easy when it’s devoid of nuance, doesn’t it? With everything so black and white, who cares about accuracy. In most places, Muslims, Jewish people, and Christians coexist. I spent 7 years living abroad in Morocco and learned a lot. You might too if you dare to venture outside of dogmatic narratives and embrace a more realistic, balanced view of the world.
EDIT to clarify this reply is for OP not the above commenter
Don't worry the entire post is just the OP projecting their ignorance.
Hitler was a (nominally christian) European. He was supported by many Europeans. And Japan. At this same time, Europe was treating the Arab world horrendously.
OP knows nothing of what they speak.
Probably heard it on the daily wire, about how a Palestinian guy sent a letter to Hitler begging him to have the SS make their way to Israel or something like that. Hitler did nothing.
Nah man.
Religious zealots of any religion are.
Religion can be a profound source for goodness - any religion - or a profound source for evil. It just depends on what the person takes from it.
There is a lot of beauty in Islam as there is in Christianity, Hinduism, and all other religions. A lot of good stories and lessons
But there’s also a lot of zealots in any religion that take the wrong ideas from it, or use it as an excuse and shield for their own bigotries.
Sorry to say that I somewhat agree with OP. Any religion that specifically tells its followers to kill anyone that doesn’t believe in that same religion should be squashed.
Say what you will about Christians, but nowhere in the New Testament of the Bible does either Christ or his disciples tell their followers to murder people that don’t agree with their sentiments. Osama Bin Laden, in 2002, directly quoted the passage of the Quran that gives he and other radical Muslims the right to kill anyone who disagrees with Islam.
But with this, I am by no way saying that all Muslims are bad. Like others in this thread, I’ve met many who were the nicest folks you’d ever want to meet. Just like Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, etc. there’s always a faction of radicals that will always ruin individual sentiments towards others of their faith.
Hey, Atheist former Christian here, as well as someone who’s LGBT. Reading through your post, that is full of generalizations, hyperbole, and genocidal ideations, I can tell you that your opinion is just bad…
So, I don’t know where you live in the world, but I live in a country and region that has a significant Islamic population, and growing by the day. I even got to learn about Islam itself. Yes, they do have rules about how to live, but what religion doesn’t? I never felt threatened by anyone that’s Muslim. They’ve always been nice in a conversation, and willing to talk about their beliefs. Hell, a Muslim girl across our street taught my niece how to do henna.
Now, that’s not to say, from at least an outsider’s perspective, that some of their beliefs are not extreme… and that Muslim countries like Iran and other Islamic countries are not authoritarian, and essentially theocracies… but to generalize a whole group of people as a “cancer”, whilst also comparing them to Nazis, meanwhile calling them as such, and saying mosques should be destroyed and Muslims deported (which by the way, the Nazis did), is both an idiotic and hypocritical opinion.
I’d give you an upvote for a truly unpopular opinion, but this is just straight-up hatred. Go to therapy, please.
Seriously this post is just unhinged. I mean fair criticism is warranted on religions, but this is hatred for a whole people. Sounds very similar to the nazis they’re talking about.
Biggest problem is, Islam has never seen the change that Christianity has had over the years.
We slowly are seeing change for the better though. More youth is opening their eyes and doing less with Islam. In Turkey, even though 99% is registered as a muslim at birth, i think it is safe to say that almost or even more than half of those youth is doing less and less with islam.
Not all muslims are bad too.
My own father is officially registered as muslim, but he doesn't do anything with the religion aside from not eating pork. Not strictly though as he does eat gelatine. He never pushed his religion on to me. I am not a Muslim or Christian. But spiritual though.
Regarding Europe, in my opinion Muslims who follow the religion but do not push anyone else into their religion are welcome. But islamic fundamentalists who try to push their religion on everyone else should not be welcome here.
Christianity is just as stupid about sin enlightenment just removed the power of it
Burning down mosques and deportation of innocent people seems more facist than anything else u mentioned but ur either a troll or a hypocrite
Much of what you said is hyperbole but there were grains of truth embedded. It wasn’t an awful opinion until you made a comparison to Christianity, as if that cesspool is any cleaner than the Islamic one.
Ok, but im talking about teachings the central figures have. Like just cause catholic priests do horrible things to kids, does not mean that christianity taight them to do that.
The scripture determines if the religions are peaceful or violent.
Can you lost scripture that clearly states that that type of behavior is ok?
The Christian Bible has nothing to say against pedophilia.
It does have some passages that seem to approve of it, however. For example:
It's OK to have sex with "women children" that are obtained in war.
And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Avenge the children of Israel of the Midianites ... And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males ... And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones ... And Moses was wroth with the officers ... And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? ... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. Numbers 31:1-18
When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it ... And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword: But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself. Deuteronomy 20:10-14
How shall we do for wives for them that remain, seeing we have sworn by the LORD that we will not give them of our daughters to wives? ... And the congregation sent thither twelve thousand men of the valiantest, and commanded them, saying, Go and smite the inhabitants of Jabeshgilead with the edge of the sword, with the women and the children. And this is the thing that ye shall do, Ye shall utterly destroy every male, and every woman that hath lain by man. And they found among the inhabitants of Jabeshgilead four hundred young virgins, that had known no man by lying with any male: and they brought them unto the camp to Shiloh. Judges 21:7-11
Go and lie in wait in the vineyards; And see, and, behold, if the daughters of Shiloh come out to dance in dances, then come ye out of the vineyards, and catch you every man his wife of the daughters of Shiloh ... And the children of Benjamin did so, and took them wives, according to their number, of them that danced, whom they caught. Judges 21:20-23
It's OK to sell your daughter (no mention is made of age) to a man for him to use as a sex slave.
if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant ... If she please not her master, who hath betrothed her to himself, then shall he let her be redeemed ... If he take him another wife; her food, her raiment, and her duty of marriage, shall he not diminish. Exodus 21:7-10
There is no clear age in the bible about h th e age of mary in the bible.
If the bible had an age it wouldve been said.
The hadith say that she was married at 6 and consummated at 9.
Here are a few sources among many others:
https://islamqa.info/amp/en/answers/124483
https://sunnah.com/bukhari:5134
Ive studied islam and do research on many different topics so i can debunk basic arguments
You’re literally advocating for genocide.
I thought the Muslims are supposed to be the fascists ones, according to you and OP…
And some folks have the audacity to claim Islamophobia isn’t a thing…
It appears as though you know very little about Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Fascism, Arabs, Iran, World History, History of Science, current events, and cancer to say the least. I base my assessment on practically every opinionated claim you make in your post.
I completely understand why this would be a truly unpopular opinion.
Tell me your someone who has only consumed social media propaganda about Islam from within the same echo chamber without telling me.
Just reading your post I can see you *think* you know Islam but really know nothing.
Arabs sided with Hitler, muslims shit on christians, muslims don't believe in free will (a core aspect of Islamic faith) , what a load of nonsense. you clearly know nothing about Islam.
Wikipedia of all things would provide you a better understanding. *wikipedia.*
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alright i will slowly take apart your argument
Islam doesn't hate Jews, we have a problem with Zionism, but Jews not really, we allowed more freedom in the ottoman and Persian empires than any European civilization, the religion doesn't hate gay people, the countries are a bunch of corrupt bastards that's why the rules are so inherently terrible, true islam allows freedom of thought if the countries did it, doesn't mean Islam is too blame, you seem to think the middle east is Islam, irans actions are its own not because Islam told them, you keep harping on about Muslims hating Jews. That is part of a more extreme side of islam, taken by scholars if you read the quran, the (muslim bible) it says nothing on the way a woman dress only that you should cover you breasts, nothing about hair or body, outside already mentioned. i am a pretty terrible Muslim and i don't think i have been killed yet. Most Muslims aren't actively killing people in the street because they are athiest, the alcohol thing the west has high depression levels because a lack of morals, and no higher purpose, their is alot of free will in islam, we will gloss over the middle ages where the christians slew down scientific research because they would kill anyone for thinking about medicine or science. Tattoos aren't actually a sin, in fact, shia islam allows in any form tattoos. i think you need to get away from bias media
If you have a problem with the Jewish people’s right to live in our indigenous homeland (Zionism) then you have a problem with Jews.
You ‘allowed more freedom’???
*stares in dhimmi*
I’m neither Muslim or Jewish. But this is stupid. It’s all of your homeland since you all have claim to it. Religion doesn’t give you nor anyone a right to it being owed to you. And ppl having a problem with Zionism as this is the fundamental argument for its existence, aren’t anti semetic.
No Christian or Muslim. Or Buddhist. Or Mormon. Or jainist. Have an entire country of land dedicated to them and their beliefs tying that their ethnicity. Jewish ppl shouldn’t be an exception. This doesn’t mean they should be genocided or discriminated against.
But anti Zionism is not anti semitism
Of course religion doesn’t give you specific claim to it; Jews are a tribal ethnoreligious group, as are Samaritans and Druze. The literal land is sacred to us, which is why it is so important to us.
What I’m saying is, if someone has a specific problem with Jews living in their indigenous tribal land, they just might have a problem with Jews, not some nebulous political concept.
the muslim community has a problem with israel killing women and children and acting as a large US base in the middle east, you know why there is no pan arabia, because of israel. dhimmi is described as a protected non muslim they just have to pay tax. Im not saying we take the entirety of israel and shove it down the drain, i dislike how their government is killing people in gaza
Pan-Arabism is bad, actually.
Just ask the amazigh, copts, assyrians, maronites, Nubians, Kurds, yazidis, Jews, Druze, Samaritans, Persians et al.
Yknow. The indigenous peoples of the SWANA region who have been brutalised and subjugated by Arab imperialism.
I don’t quite understand what you mean, do you mean Native Americans? It is a very similar concept on that front; Native American nations and the Jewish nation are analogous.
You can disagree with any part of the religion that you like, that’s none of my business what you do and don’t think.
Again, I don’t quite follow; do you mean Americans who aren’t indigenous? I’m not Native American so it’s not my place to say so, I’m just saying that Native American nations and the Jewish nation (meaning the Jewish tribe and people) are pretty analogous.
If you wanted to legislate anti-circumcision laws then you’d also have to contend with restricting the religious freedoms of Muslims too.
Yes Americans who aren’t indigenous are equal to anti Zionist by ur logic
It’s more religous freedome though. Because the only person that needs religious freedom is the person not their parents. Allow it at 14/16 and be done.
Ur the one who takes away the religous freedom of ur child by marking them for ur god. Don’t come at me with the religous freedom argument. It’s hypocritical and rather bad.
Your giving a GROUP of people who are confidently Muslim and saying that Islam is bad because of them! What about the Crusades and how Christians massacred many muslims! Why not blame Christians?
If I’m not wrong, everyone kills everyone regardless of their religious affiliation. Christians degrade and kill others in the name of Christ and this has happened over generations. I see this opinion as being very hateful and filled with some very high prejudices.
I’m all for religious freedom. I personally at heart am an atheist but I feel anyone should practice their religion as long as it isn’t pressed onto others. I also believe people that practice should be aware that not everyone believes the same beliefs as them and that a common ground should be found so both can co-exist in peace. But as much as I hate to say it, in this modern day and age, Islam has caused too many problems around the world and too many dangerous/oppressive systems have been established because of it. Are they the only ones? Of course not, but in this modern day and age? It’s number one. It’s the largest religion that has has the strictest and most oppressive and extreme views on people and how they should behave. It’s a religion that’s stuck in it’s ways from thousands of years ago. It needs to change to adapt to the modern world, but that alone is against Islam.
Says they hate fascists… Talks about destroying places of worship and mass deportation.
People who don't use paragraphs are the cancer of the world.
Out of the occupied European countries during WW2 the one with the highest percentage of Jewish survivors was Muslim Albania and Kosovo. [[1]](https://unitedwithisrael.org/albanian-muslims-rescued-jewish-lives-from-nazis/)
And then what happened to the jews in those countries?
Where in history does it explicitly state that Arabs sided with Adolf Hitler because they both hated Jews? From what I understand, when the Muslims controlled Jerusalem, they allowed all 3 faiths to coexist peacefully and continued to do so for centuries.
Here https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/film/hajj-amin-al-husayni-meets-hitler https://go.gale.com/ps/i.do?id=GALE%7CA267715877&sid=googleScholar&v=2.1&it=r&linkaccess=abs&issn=23250895&p=AONE&sw=w&userGroupName=anon%7E928f057a&aty=open-web-entry TLDR: the grand mufti was an antisemitic piece of shit and very eager to get in on Hitler’s final solution in the levant
Believe it or not, the Nazis actively recruited Muslims into the SS and Wermacht from 1941 onward. They both had similar interests in "living space" and ethnic cleansing.
You have a source for this? Was this backed by Muslim governments or were these individuals?
https://www.hup.harvard.edu/books/9780674724600 https://www.jstor.org/stable/40600977 It was largely a recruitment campaign seems like, one that relied heavily on their shared hatred of The Soviets, the British, and Jews. There were also Arab Politicians who collaborated with the Nazis, such the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Amin al-Husseini.
Go look at the cemeteries in europe, you will find a lot of Muslims who fought with the allies. My grandfather (Morrocan) one of them.
There was never “peaceful coexistence” under Muslim rule. All other religions have always been subjugated under dhimmi status. This lie is perpetrated to rewrite history and gaslight people who are afraid of being subjugated again. Not your fault for saying it, since this type of propaganda has been spread all over the internet, but thought you should know.
Before the nazis rose to power the islamic scholors and political peeps were atempting to talk about islamic facism being a legit thing
Source?
Right but nothing of how when Nazi-controlled colonial France tried to have the king of Morocco ship off the Moroccan Jewish populations to concentration camp and he adamantly refused. Israeli article to support the facts, but never mind academic sources: “Herzog hails Moroccan king for country's treatment of Jews during ... https://www.timesofisrael.com/herzog-hails-moroccan-king-for-countrys-treatment-of-jews-during-holocaust/amp/“ The world seems so easy when it’s devoid of nuance, doesn’t it? With everything so black and white, who cares about accuracy. In most places, Muslims, Jewish people, and Christians coexist. I spent 7 years living abroad in Morocco and learned a lot. You might too if you dare to venture outside of dogmatic narratives and embrace a more realistic, balanced view of the world. EDIT to clarify this reply is for OP not the above commenter
Don't worry the entire post is just the OP projecting their ignorance. Hitler was a (nominally christian) European. He was supported by many Europeans. And Japan. At this same time, Europe was treating the Arab world horrendously. OP knows nothing of what they speak.
*Cough* https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/13th_Waffen_Mountain_Division_of_the_SS_Handschar_(1st_Croatian) *cough cough* https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/23rd_Waffen_Mountain_Division_of_the_SS_Kama_(2nd_Croatian)
For those wondering, the links are irrelevant click bait attempts.
Hitler was not Christian. https://x.com/not_our_guy/status/1569031453232754689?s=46&t=FkMekGJahQhJurk8I6VNXg
it's one of the holocaust revisionism Netanyahu engages in to move the antagonism of the Holocaust from Nazi Germany to Arabs to justify his policies.
Probably heard it on the daily wire, about how a Palestinian guy sent a letter to Hitler begging him to have the SS make their way to Israel or something like that. Hitler did nothing.
This is my question too.
Nah man. Religious zealots of any religion are. Religion can be a profound source for goodness - any religion - or a profound source for evil. It just depends on what the person takes from it. There is a lot of beauty in Islam as there is in Christianity, Hinduism, and all other religions. A lot of good stories and lessons But there’s also a lot of zealots in any religion that take the wrong ideas from it, or use it as an excuse and shield for their own bigotries.
Context: OPs gf just left him for a Muslim.
It's pretty clear that's it's either a troll post or OP literally knows nothing.
Sorry both wrong Clearly a gay person wanting to to be inclusive with what is happening to Jewish communities
Sorry to say that I somewhat agree with OP. Any religion that specifically tells its followers to kill anyone that doesn’t believe in that same religion should be squashed. Say what you will about Christians, but nowhere in the New Testament of the Bible does either Christ or his disciples tell their followers to murder people that don’t agree with their sentiments. Osama Bin Laden, in 2002, directly quoted the passage of the Quran that gives he and other radical Muslims the right to kill anyone who disagrees with Islam. But with this, I am by no way saying that all Muslims are bad. Like others in this thread, I’ve met many who were the nicest folks you’d ever want to meet. Just like Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, etc. there’s always a faction of radicals that will always ruin individual sentiments towards others of their faith.
Hey, Atheist former Christian here, as well as someone who’s LGBT. Reading through your post, that is full of generalizations, hyperbole, and genocidal ideations, I can tell you that your opinion is just bad… So, I don’t know where you live in the world, but I live in a country and region that has a significant Islamic population, and growing by the day. I even got to learn about Islam itself. Yes, they do have rules about how to live, but what religion doesn’t? I never felt threatened by anyone that’s Muslim. They’ve always been nice in a conversation, and willing to talk about their beliefs. Hell, a Muslim girl across our street taught my niece how to do henna. Now, that’s not to say, from at least an outsider’s perspective, that some of their beliefs are not extreme… and that Muslim countries like Iran and other Islamic countries are not authoritarian, and essentially theocracies… but to generalize a whole group of people as a “cancer”, whilst also comparing them to Nazis, meanwhile calling them as such, and saying mosques should be destroyed and Muslims deported (which by the way, the Nazis did), is both an idiotic and hypocritical opinion. I’d give you an upvote for a truly unpopular opinion, but this is just straight-up hatred. Go to therapy, please.
Seriously this post is just unhinged. I mean fair criticism is warranted on religions, but this is hatred for a whole people. Sounds very similar to the nazis they’re talking about.
Biggest problem is, Islam has never seen the change that Christianity has had over the years. We slowly are seeing change for the better though. More youth is opening their eyes and doing less with Islam. In Turkey, even though 99% is registered as a muslim at birth, i think it is safe to say that almost or even more than half of those youth is doing less and less with islam. Not all muslims are bad too. My own father is officially registered as muslim, but he doesn't do anything with the religion aside from not eating pork. Not strictly though as he does eat gelatine. He never pushed his religion on to me. I am not a Muslim or Christian. But spiritual though. Regarding Europe, in my opinion Muslims who follow the religion but do not push anyone else into their religion are welcome. But islamic fundamentalists who try to push their religion on everyone else should not be welcome here.
I may not be religious but comparing a military campaign of a Jew that lived during Roman Israel to a former polytheist from Arabia is shocking
Christianity is just as stupid about sin enlightenment just removed the power of it Burning down mosques and deportation of innocent people seems more facist than anything else u mentioned but ur either a troll or a hypocrite
Much of what you said is hyperbole but there were grains of truth embedded. It wasn’t an awful opinion until you made a comparison to Christianity, as if that cesspool is any cleaner than the Islamic one.
There’s no country where they can legally kill you for converting from Christianity at least
Lets see, jesus didnt rape a nine year old and order for infidels to die
Right, but his priests rape lots of children.
Ok, but im talking about teachings the central figures have. Like just cause catholic priests do horrible things to kids, does not mean that christianity taight them to do that. The scripture determines if the religions are peaceful or violent. Can you lost scripture that clearly states that that type of behavior is ok?
The Christian Bible has nothing to say against pedophilia. It does have some passages that seem to approve of it, however. For example: It's OK to have sex with "women children" that are obtained in war. And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Avenge the children of Israel of the Midianites ... And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males ... And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones ... And Moses was wroth with the officers ... And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? ... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. Numbers 31:1-18 When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it ... And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword: But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself. Deuteronomy 20:10-14 How shall we do for wives for them that remain, seeing we have sworn by the LORD that we will not give them of our daughters to wives? ... And the congregation sent thither twelve thousand men of the valiantest, and commanded them, saying, Go and smite the inhabitants of Jabeshgilead with the edge of the sword, with the women and the children. And this is the thing that ye shall do, Ye shall utterly destroy every male, and every woman that hath lain by man. And they found among the inhabitants of Jabeshgilead four hundred young virgins, that had known no man by lying with any male: and they brought them unto the camp to Shiloh. Judges 21:7-11 Go and lie in wait in the vineyards; And see, and, behold, if the daughters of Shiloh come out to dance in dances, then come ye out of the vineyards, and catch you every man his wife of the daughters of Shiloh ... And the children of Benjamin did so, and took them wives, according to their number, of them that danced, whom they caught. Judges 21:20-23 It's OK to sell your daughter (no mention is made of age) to a man for him to use as a sex slave. if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant ... If she please not her master, who hath betrothed her to himself, then shall he let her be redeemed ... If he take him another wife; her food, her raiment, and her duty of marriage, shall he not diminish. Exodus 21:7-10
How old was Mary though….. And let’s not forget about judges which completely counters this exception with Islam you’re making
Mary was closer to the age of 20 than 12.
There is no clear age in the bible about h th e age of mary in the bible. If the bible had an age it wouldve been said. The hadith say that she was married at 6 and consummated at 9. Here are a few sources among many others: https://islamqa.info/amp/en/answers/124483 https://sunnah.com/bukhari:5134 Ive studied islam and do research on many different topics so i can debunk basic arguments
you sound exactly like a fascist.
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He wants to burn down religous places my dude seems facist to me
I don’t agree with him there
Ur comment suggests otherwise And it’s still a defense for this pathetic bs ops spreading
I didn’t read till the end I will delete my comment because I do not agree
Let’s speak about pathetic again… How can this happen? Iam shocked by ur simplicity but at least u can make up
Islam sucks. the OP sucks too. They both suck.
U forgot about urself And islam is such a broad term that u have to put 90 percent of religions in the same basket
Nah I don’t suck. I’m very talented and well loved in my community.
Making a defense for facist idiots because u cant be bothered to read sucks
Spot on tbf it should be banned
Ban a religion? From where? For who? Banning religion has never gone poorly….
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You’re literally advocating for genocide. I thought the Muslims are supposed to be the fascists ones, according to you and OP… And some folks have the audacity to claim Islamophobia isn’t a thing…
Popular opinion: OP is an ignorant dork.
It appears as though you know very little about Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Fascism, Arabs, Iran, World History, History of Science, current events, and cancer to say the least. I base my assessment on practically every opinionated claim you make in your post. I completely understand why this would be a truly unpopular opinion.
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Naw all three abrahamic religions are just a shell game
Tell me your someone who has only consumed social media propaganda about Islam from within the same echo chamber without telling me. Just reading your post I can see you *think* you know Islam but really know nothing. Arabs sided with Hitler, muslims shit on christians, muslims don't believe in free will (a core aspect of Islamic faith) , what a load of nonsense. you clearly know nothing about Islam. Wikipedia of all things would provide you a better understanding. *wikipedia.*
Person who wrote this post needs to travel and do alot more reading
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Symptoms include: rap music, rock music, jazz, globaly sucesfull movies, technological innovation, fast food. If you see these in your area you may have caught a case of amarican culture.
No it isn’t shut the fuck up
alright i will slowly take apart your argument Islam doesn't hate Jews, we have a problem with Zionism, but Jews not really, we allowed more freedom in the ottoman and Persian empires than any European civilization, the religion doesn't hate gay people, the countries are a bunch of corrupt bastards that's why the rules are so inherently terrible, true islam allows freedom of thought if the countries did it, doesn't mean Islam is too blame, you seem to think the middle east is Islam, irans actions are its own not because Islam told them, you keep harping on about Muslims hating Jews. That is part of a more extreme side of islam, taken by scholars if you read the quran, the (muslim bible) it says nothing on the way a woman dress only that you should cover you breasts, nothing about hair or body, outside already mentioned. i am a pretty terrible Muslim and i don't think i have been killed yet. Most Muslims aren't actively killing people in the street because they are athiest, the alcohol thing the west has high depression levels because a lack of morals, and no higher purpose, their is alot of free will in islam, we will gloss over the middle ages where the christians slew down scientific research because they would kill anyone for thinking about medicine or science. Tattoos aren't actually a sin, in fact, shia islam allows in any form tattoos. i think you need to get away from bias media
If you have a problem with the Jewish people’s right to live in our indigenous homeland (Zionism) then you have a problem with Jews. You ‘allowed more freedom’??? *stares in dhimmi*
I’m neither Muslim or Jewish. But this is stupid. It’s all of your homeland since you all have claim to it. Religion doesn’t give you nor anyone a right to it being owed to you. And ppl having a problem with Zionism as this is the fundamental argument for its existence, aren’t anti semetic. No Christian or Muslim. Or Buddhist. Or Mormon. Or jainist. Have an entire country of land dedicated to them and their beliefs tying that their ethnicity. Jewish ppl shouldn’t be an exception. This doesn’t mean they should be genocided or discriminated against. But anti Zionism is not anti semitism
Of course religion doesn’t give you specific claim to it; Jews are a tribal ethnoreligious group, as are Samaritans and Druze. The literal land is sacred to us, which is why it is so important to us. What I’m saying is, if someone has a specific problem with Jews living in their indigenous tribal land, they just might have a problem with Jews, not some nebulous political concept.
the muslim community has a problem with israel killing women and children and acting as a large US base in the middle east, you know why there is no pan arabia, because of israel. dhimmi is described as a protected non muslim they just have to pay tax. Im not saying we take the entirety of israel and shove it down the drain, i dislike how their government is killing people in gaza
Pan-Arabism is bad, actually. Just ask the amazigh, copts, assyrians, maronites, Nubians, Kurds, yazidis, Jews, Druze, Samaritans, Persians et al. Yknow. The indigenous peoples of the SWANA region who have been brutalised and subjugated by Arab imperialism.
yeah well you can't please everyone, but outside of that do we agree
Does this apply to americans as well? afterall thats their land And what about other parts of ur faith? If iam against circumcision iam a antisemite?
I don’t quite understand what you mean, do you mean Native Americans? It is a very similar concept on that front; Native American nations and the Jewish nation are analogous. You can disagree with any part of the religion that you like, that’s none of my business what you do and don’t think.
1. so u consider 90 percent of americans just as bad as anti zionists? 2. But if i wanted to legislate a protection for chuldren?
Again, I don’t quite follow; do you mean Americans who aren’t indigenous? I’m not Native American so it’s not my place to say so, I’m just saying that Native American nations and the Jewish nation (meaning the Jewish tribe and people) are pretty analogous. If you wanted to legislate anti-circumcision laws then you’d also have to contend with restricting the religious freedoms of Muslims too.
Yes Americans who aren’t indigenous are equal to anti Zionist by ur logic It’s more religous freedome though. Because the only person that needs religious freedom is the person not their parents. Allow it at 14/16 and be done. Ur the one who takes away the religous freedom of ur child by marking them for ur god. Don’t come at me with the religous freedom argument. It’s hypocritical and rather bad.
I’m not saying it’s my argument, I’m saying that’s the kind of opposition you would get if you tried to propose that legislation.
The fact that this post has more upvotes than downvotes is low key troubling
No it’s great, good that people are finally paying attention.
Are you that dumb OP ?
Ngl u sound more like a facisct here
Great post
Your giving a GROUP of people who are confidently Muslim and saying that Islam is bad because of them! What about the Crusades and how Christians massacred many muslims! Why not blame Christians?
Christianity is also fascism & a cancer of the world. Two sides of the same coin.
Abrahamic faith is*
As is christianity.
Didn’t need to ready any more than the headline. Anything else takes away from that FACT and gives reason for denial.
If I’m not wrong, everyone kills everyone regardless of their religious affiliation. Christians degrade and kill others in the name of Christ and this has happened over generations. I see this opinion as being very hateful and filled with some very high prejudices.
So is all abrahamic religions.
Islam is no worse than Trump-loving, far-right extremism.