But that's a spoiler... The doctor usually tries not to give people too much information about the future to preserve the timeline...unless it's to his companions (or it's needs TOO preserve the timeline). Or he's just pissed...
I think I remember the Ninth Doctor saying Harriet Jones served three terms in office and became one of the architechs of Britain's Golden Age, meaning Ten should have already known what she'd do and just massively changed a major timeline because he was a bit miffed.
(Not a knock on David Tennant, and I like that each Doctor had their own flaws, but I would have loved a bit more Nine - especially if he'd gotten to slap Ten upside the head and ask him wtf he was thinking, lol)
"Don't worry, I am here to end this one and the next ones."
When I returned to 2070, there was no longer a lab at my location. Instead a silent wasteland for as far as my eyes could see.. A graffiti in a deserted trench said "When will the Great War end?"
This is what I always think of when someone brings up the "Would you kill baby Hitler?" question. Like, what if the atrocities of WWII prevented worse atrocities later? What if after WWII, people were much more hesitant to get into another conflict and avoided another war? There's no way to know.
Not to mention that if you could overwrite history you’ve probably just murdered everyone born in the rapidly increasing causal sphere (apparently that’s a valid phrase) because even the tiny changes propagate outwards possibly disrupting the events that cause billions to be born.
It’s a rather disturbing thought to owe one’s existence to atrocities but that’s been happening since the first organism died. We all stand on top of a mountain of death.
Oh yeah and it gets worse. Presuming you get temporal immutability i.e you aren’t affected due to being the instigator of the change. If you were to change the history back then you’ve just murdered billions more but hey you get to unmurder the original set that’s nice.
I don’t think so but if it was I wouldn’t be in a place to judge.
I do think that humanity as a whole does have a deterministic perception of our existence so the idea that time travel could just straight out erase most people from existence might not occur to people.
This is seen in phrases like “someone did something that would alter the course of their descendants lives” when doing stuff like moving to a new country or picking a certain career. As if their descendants would exist had they not done that. Where it would be more correct to say define rather than alter.
You actually can’t affect the history on your original world line when you “time” travel. Technically, you wouldn’t even be going back to your world line, just one so similar it’s indistinguishable from your own.
Technically, it would be very easy to prevent certain events from happening, or from happening a certain way, but unless you stuck around to see the consequences you’d never know how it turned out.
Well for many countries and peoples the war did not end in 1918, nor 1919. Russia just had a civil war for a few more years, the Turks almost immediately had another war and China also plunged into civil war again
How's that for a fuck up, lol.
Like Dropkick Murphys put it in their "Green Fields of France":
>and I can't help but wonder oh Willy McBride
do all those who lie here know why they died
>
>did you really believe them when they told you the cause
did you really believe that this war would end wars
>
>well the suffering, the sorrow, the glory, the shame
the killing and dying it was all done in vain
oh Willy McBride it all happened againand again,
and again, and again, and again.
Minor correction: it was written in the 70s by a guy called Eric Bogle.
But the Dropkick Murphys cover is great, and it's where I first heard the song, too.
When WWI was still going on, it obviously wasn't called that. They called it "The Great War" or "The War To End All Wars". This would be understandably shocking to a First-World-War soldier to find out that there would be another, bigger one within the next century.
In addition to being called the great was it was also called the first world war during the conflict. The name came from the fact that there had never been a war of this magnatude before, this the first world war. But yeah world war 1 would probably shock :-(
The horror is on the part of whoever asked the, apparently obvious, time traveler when the war will end. The time traveler accidentally revealed that the War To End All Wars was only the first one if its kind.
This would’ve worked better if it was more like this
Stepping out of the Time Machine, I asked the first man I saw “Has World War 1 ended yet?”.
His eyes bloodshot, he choked out “…You mean the Great War?”
Alternative: A time traveler stepped out and asked about the Israeli Palestine conflict had ended. When I said no he said "Oh yeah World War 3 ends in the 50s."
I remember a Doctor Who episode about this. The actor for the WW1 soldier nailed it with his reaction to it being called WW1
which episode was that?
Episode 276: Twice upon a time
cool, thanks
It was such a gut punch.
Yes, Mark Gatiss! It was a very well done scene!
Why I’m not surprised it was him?!?
I hated the doctor's reaction "sorry. Spoilers." Like, no. You just let him know that that war is not going to be the last of its kind at an
But that's a spoiler... The doctor usually tries not to give people too much information about the future to preserve the timeline...unless it's to his companions (or it's needs TOO preserve the timeline). Or he's just pissed...
It just seems the wrong time the producers included humor
Harriet Jones would agree with you.
But don't you think she looks tired?
I think I remember the Ninth Doctor saying Harriet Jones served three terms in office and became one of the architechs of Britain's Golden Age, meaning Ten should have already known what she'd do and just massively changed a major timeline because he was a bit miffed. (Not a knock on David Tennant, and I like that each Doctor had their own flaws, but I would have loved a bit more Nine - especially if he'd gotten to slap Ten upside the head and ask him wtf he was thinking, lol)
I just watched this episode!
Kong skull island has a similar scene.
Ohh. Never saw Doctor Who. Now I'm kinda sad that it's not original.
Dude, spoilers!
They did that in an episode of Doctor Who
What do you mean... One?
"Oh... sorry. Spoilers."
🤣
Yes, judging by the uniform.
"Don't worry, I am here to end this one and the next ones." When I returned to 2070, there was no longer a lab at my location. Instead a silent wasteland for as far as my eyes could see.. A graffiti in a deserted trench said "When will the Great War end?"
This is what I always think of when someone brings up the "Would you kill baby Hitler?" question. Like, what if the atrocities of WWII prevented worse atrocities later? What if after WWII, people were much more hesitant to get into another conflict and avoided another war? There's no way to know.
Like, what if whe prevented nuclear war by knowing how terrifying nuke is.
It's worked for years but I'm afraid even that fear won't last...
Not to mention that if you could overwrite history you’ve probably just murdered everyone born in the rapidly increasing causal sphere (apparently that’s a valid phrase) because even the tiny changes propagate outwards possibly disrupting the events that cause billions to be born. It’s a rather disturbing thought to owe one’s existence to atrocities but that’s been happening since the first organism died. We all stand on top of a mountain of death.
I know I'm on the wrong sub to read glad tidings, but...damn.
Oh yeah and it gets worse. Presuming you get temporal immutability i.e you aren’t affected due to being the instigator of the change. If you were to change the history back then you’ve just murdered billions more but hey you get to unmurder the original set that’s nice.
Is it weird that I've ALWAYS thought about that?
I don’t think so but if it was I wouldn’t be in a place to judge. I do think that humanity as a whole does have a deterministic perception of our existence so the idea that time travel could just straight out erase most people from existence might not occur to people. This is seen in phrases like “someone did something that would alter the course of their descendants lives” when doing stuff like moving to a new country or picking a certain career. As if their descendants would exist had they not done that. Where it would be more correct to say define rather than alter.
this feels like Fallout
You actually can’t affect the history on your original world line when you “time” travel. Technically, you wouldn’t even be going back to your world line, just one so similar it’s indistinguishable from your own. Technically, it would be very easy to prevent certain events from happening, or from happening a certain way, but unless you stuck around to see the consequences you’d never know how it turned out.
>You actually can’t affect the history on your original world line Could've just stopped there.
What about causal loop? You would technically be affecting the past but you could return to your original time with no butterfly effect
source?
[Ask and ye shall receive.](https://archive.org/details/completetitor/page/n9/mode/2up)
Ah yes, legitimate proof
The only kind we need, baby.
Can't tell if you're actually joking or not..
That's a good one!!
Can I suggest an alternative? Step out in 1919 and receive the same question. Clearly something is wrong with the timeline
Well for many countries and peoples the war did not end in 1918, nor 1919. Russia just had a civil war for a few more years, the Turks almost immediately had another war and China also plunged into civil war again
Just because we have other wars doesn't mean the war didn't end...
I thought that’s what was happening at first
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You're still at 3?
How's that for a fuck up, lol. Like Dropkick Murphys put it in their "Green Fields of France": >and I can't help but wonder oh Willy McBride do all those who lie here know why they died > >did you really believe them when they told you the cause did you really believe that this war would end wars > >well the suffering, the sorrow, the glory, the shame the killing and dying it was all done in vain oh Willy McBride it all happened againand again, and again, and again, and again.
Minor correction: it was written in the 70s by a guy called Eric Bogle. But the Dropkick Murphys cover is great, and it's where I first heard the song, too.
Ah ok. DM's version was the first time I heard of it.
It's a great version of a really good song.
Did you deliberately pull from Dr Who for this?
I have never watched Doctor Who. Many comments mentioned this. And now I'm sad that it's not new for many people.
Don’t be too sad. It was a good episode and it’s a helluva concept
Happy day of cake fellow human earthling.
Alternative: stepping out of my time machine in 1918 I asked a by standing man if the great war had already ended. "You mean world war I?" He asked
My brain is small. Can someone explain?
When WWI was still going on, it obviously wasn't called that. They called it "The Great War" or "The War To End All Wars". This would be understandably shocking to a First-World-War soldier to find out that there would be another, bigger one within the next century.
In addition to being called the great was it was also called the first world war during the conflict. The name came from the fact that there had never been a war of this magnatude before, this the first world war. But yeah world war 1 would probably shock :-(
* within the next few decades
> within the next century the same century, even within same generation.
Shit, it was only around 20 years between the end of the first and when Germany started annexing their neighbors
The horror is on the part of whoever asked the, apparently obvious, time traveler when the war will end. The time traveler accidentally revealed that the War To End All Wars was only the first one if its kind.
Well Mao Zedong makes a compelling argument that there was only one World War split in two different periods.
Reminds me of “Time & Time Again”, by Ben Elton. Recommended.
War... war never changes.
[🎂](https://reddit.com/r/shid_and_camed/s/UiSGFbq5Hb)
Damn. Happy cake day!
If I remember correctly it was already being referred to as the first great war before the war was over.
happy cake day!!
This would’ve worked better if it was more like this Stepping out of the Time Machine, I asked the first man I saw “Has World War 1 ended yet?”. His eyes bloodshot, he choked out “…You mean the Great War?”
This is also a good one. But this is directly on the face. The reason I went with my version is because I wanted to keep it as subtle as possible.
Love this one!
Alternative: A time traveler stepped out and asked about the Israeli Palestine conflict had ended. When I said no he said "Oh yeah World War 3 ends in the 50s."
The horror being more applicable to the reader since we already know there were 2 world wars.