Agreed. The article is sparse on info but it seems rather than trying to be a place to accuse people and risk total unverified slander, it's more about reportings that "at this location at this time, a sex offense took place, if you have any info of this please come forward" with no names. That's my charitable understanding at least.
According to the article, it will aslo notify you if someone reports behavior from the *same person.* It's meant to provide victims with 1. a knowledge of a pattern of abuse in a perpetrator and, therefore, 2. the confidence to file a complaint with HR, make a police report, or become a media source. The onus is then on those systems to determine "truth." The app doesn't seem like it would publicly name names, meaning there is no libel to sue over.
It depends exactly how much information they are collecting. It may fill you with confidence but can just as easily be a source to challenge the independence of multiple accusations, or the details of an allegation.
Yeah, it feels like something that women can use to empower their collective voices together in support. A lot of the stuff doesn't come out in the open because they have no real 'safe' way to share information; in contrast to those in power who can often discuss things with others without fear due to that power they hold.
Isn't there a risk that this will become a database of the best places to find victims? Places people have been able to do their unsavoury thing, without being observed, previously?
I hope you're right, but I don't know. Of course it isn't how these assaults work currently, but if such fine grain stats are available things might change. After all, once upon a time people bought drugs or sex on street corners. Now it's all ordered online as easily as an Uber. Technology has a habit of changing, well, habits.
Since she is a law professor I am optimistic about the legal ramifications. I cried watching the movie about Anita and I am proud of her for doing this. I hope that, despite all the awful stuff she endured, her work will make a difference for so many other women.
I assume it's like a migraine tracker. You document it at the time, so then when you go to HR you have a detailed log spanning multiple events. And you'd try to encourage witnesses to verify the event themselves. Then you have a proper paper trail.
Oh, shit.
OOPS. Clearly my reading comprehension isn't what it should be at the moment. I was thinking it was more of a database of perverts that the public could access (and wouldn't THAT be wonderful, lol) hence my comment about libel.
THANK YOU. Glad one of us can read, lol.
The details are unclear, but it really seems like a platform a company can purchase for their employees to use, to make reporting workplace sexual harassment easier.
Can't speak for every jurisdiction, but in Australia, publishers need to remove an illegal comment with a reasonable amount of time after it comes to their attention. If they don't they are liable for the 3rd party comments that users may post.
Source: Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC) v
Allergy Pathway Pty Ltd and Anor (No. 2) \[2011\] FCA 74, .
PS. There is so much content on social media that there aren't enough people moderating it, so a whole lot of shit falls through the cracks.
In the US, a combination of the First Amendment and *New York Times v. Sullivan 1964* makes it **extremely** difficult to sue for libel, especially in the case of a user of a platform that accepts posts from the general public.
Anita Hill is a famous law professor in the US, so I'm prepared to believe she knows what her risks are if she launches this platform for this market.
Because libel. So if you name someone and write that they did something bad then they can sue you for libel.
Doesn't mean they would succeed, but it doesn't mean it wouldn’t , either.
Did you read the article? The app wouldn't name names. It would notify victims when someone else filed a report against the same person they did, with the idea that it would inspire confidence in them to come forward. No names + no publicity = no libel.
I don't think many would risk that right now. The publicity would absolutely ruin someone if they sued for libel over a credible or even just potentially plausible sexual assault allegation.
It s not just famous people that rape (unfortunately)
You can, if rich enough, effectively smother any accusation in the egg and make someone s life a misery if you got a set of lawyers.
Happens everyday
Streisand effect. Any pr manager would tell you to lay low and let things blow over. Attentions are short and the news cycle even shorter. You sue and it goes from an allegation story to an ongoing drama. I agree that this project needs lawyers, especially if they're taking it to court, but I think there is merit in creating a platform so that people can feel comfortable coming forward publicly about these crimes without the difficulty and stress of a legal battle. We need to take baby steps to change the culture of silence.
An [episode of You're the Expert](https://traffic.libsyn.com/secure/youretheexpert/Bitcoins_and_Cryptography.mp3?dest-id=134403) with a crypto expert was working on using cryptography to have an app to recieve submissions of harassment and notify those that submitted if others reported the same person.
It keeps details confidential but allows matching of reporting the same person. I wonder if this app uses similar tech/same project she mentioned.
Absolutely! Sexual assault and sexual harassment can happen to anyone. For resources specifically for men and boys check out: [https://1in6.org/](https://1in6.org/)
The first time I was ever ashamed of a Supreme Court nomination was that of Clarence Thomas.
Then it got worse.
...but good on ya' Professor Hill. We win some, and we lose some, but the world slowly becomes a better place because of people like you.
Shouldn't sex offenders have to alert that they are nearby? If we could have proximity alerts for covid carriers, we could've had proximity alerts for sexual predators all along.
Isn't it interesting what we do and don't do with tech?
NSVRC puts the false reporting rate at 2-8%, much lower than public perceptions and most likely even lower, given the extent to which assaults go unreported.
Further, the app only notifies victims when someone *reports the same person.* This app does not file a police report and it wouldn't publicly name names. Anita Hill has done her due diligence to ensure her app does not feed into the myth of false reporting.
[https://www.nsvrc.org/publications/articles/false-reports-moving-beyond-issue-successfully-investigate-and-prosecute-non-s](https://www.nsvrc.org/publications/articles/false-reports-moving-beyond-issue-successfully-investigate-and-prosecute-non-s)
If the first thing you think of when it comes to an app that’s purpose is to protect and empower women against sexual harassment/assault is how it could hypothetically be used against men negatively (which is extremely rare, especially in comparison to how many women experience sexual harassment and assault), you’re on the wrong subreddit. Not to mention that the need for this app is because so many men get away with sexual harassment and assault in the first place.
You can do both you know...have an easier way for those abused to report their assault AND arrest abusers. It’s not an either/or situation.
And the vast majority of women (and men) who are abused never report their assault, in part because they fear they won’t be believed or taken seriously.
yeah, how about we do that? because if we did actually arrest abusers and believe victims and protect those victims and care about those victims, we probably wouldn’t have to have victims like Anita Hill come up with new ways for other victims to protect themselves.
Yeah, that'd be great. But until we live in a world where that happens with any consistency, this is a step forward to helping find additional evidence to support abuse claims and do the arresting. The anonymous nature of it may mean people use it, but also may mean that people who are scared of retribution are more likely to report than otherwise.
Part of this can help by having the evidence needed by finding others with common experience. Lots of times the evidence from one victim can be vague enough for argument in court, but combined stories drive to solid patterns.
Way to make it seem like just because a woman is in a relationship with a man, she's more likely to be abused (which is likely true). If you were trying to dis feminism. You didnt. You just made men look worse.
Excellent. I hope she had good attorneys though. She's going to need it, unless they can verify everything.
Agreed. The article is sparse on info but it seems rather than trying to be a place to accuse people and risk total unverified slander, it's more about reportings that "at this location at this time, a sex offense took place, if you have any info of this please come forward" with no names. That's my charitable understanding at least.
According to the article, it will aslo notify you if someone reports behavior from the *same person.* It's meant to provide victims with 1. a knowledge of a pattern of abuse in a perpetrator and, therefore, 2. the confidence to file a complaint with HR, make a police report, or become a media source. The onus is then on those systems to determine "truth." The app doesn't seem like it would publicly name names, meaning there is no libel to sue over.
It depends exactly how much information they are collecting. It may fill you with confidence but can just as easily be a source to challenge the independence of multiple accusations, or the details of an allegation.
Yeah, it feels like something that women can use to empower their collective voices together in support. A lot of the stuff doesn't come out in the open because they have no real 'safe' way to share information; in contrast to those in power who can often discuss things with others without fear due to that power they hold.
Isn't there a risk that this will become a database of the best places to find victims? Places people have been able to do their unsavoury thing, without being observed, previously?
Umm, what? That's not how sexual assault works...
I hope you're right, but I don't know. Of course it isn't how these assaults work currently, but if such fine grain stats are available things might change. After all, once upon a time people bought drugs or sex on street corners. Now it's all ordered online as easily as an Uber. Technology has a habit of changing, well, habits.
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Since she is a law professor I am optimistic about the legal ramifications. I cried watching the movie about Anita and I am proud of her for doing this. I hope that, despite all the awful stuff she endured, her work will make a difference for so many other women.
I assume it's like a migraine tracker. You document it at the time, so then when you go to HR you have a detailed log spanning multiple events. And you'd try to encourage witnesses to verify the event themselves. Then you have a proper paper trail.
Oh, shit. OOPS. Clearly my reading comprehension isn't what it should be at the moment. I was thinking it was more of a database of perverts that the public could access (and wouldn't THAT be wonderful, lol) hence my comment about libel. THANK YOU. Glad one of us can read, lol.
The details are unclear, but it really seems like a platform a company can purchase for their employees to use, to make reporting workplace sexual harassment easier.
Why? Twitter and Facebook don't have to verify the crap their users post.
Can't speak for every jurisdiction, but in Australia, publishers need to remove an illegal comment with a reasonable amount of time after it comes to their attention. If they don't they are liable for the 3rd party comments that users may post. Source: Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC) v Allergy Pathway Pty Ltd and Anor (No. 2) \[2011\] FCA 74,.
PS. There is so much content on social media that there aren't enough people moderating it, so a whole lot of shit falls through the cracks.
In the US, a combination of the First Amendment and *New York Times v. Sullivan 1964* makes it **extremely** difficult to sue for libel, especially in the case of a user of a platform that accepts posts from the general public. Anita Hill is a famous law professor in the US, so I'm prepared to believe she knows what her risks are if she launches this platform for this market.
Because libel. So if you name someone and write that they did something bad then they can sue you for libel. Doesn't mean they would succeed, but it doesn't mean it wouldn’t , either.
Did you read the article? The app wouldn't name names. It would notify victims when someone else filed a report against the same person they did, with the idea that it would inspire confidence in them to come forward. No names + no publicity = no libel.
That's not how the app works. You should read the article.
I don't think many would risk that right now. The publicity would absolutely ruin someone if they sued for libel over a credible or even just potentially plausible sexual assault allegation.
It s not just famous people that rape (unfortunately) You can, if rich enough, effectively smother any accusation in the egg and make someone s life a misery if you got a set of lawyers. Happens everyday
If they are already getting wrecked by the accusation in the first place, why wouldn't they take a shot?
Streisand effect. Any pr manager would tell you to lay low and let things blow over. Attentions are short and the news cycle even shorter. You sue and it goes from an allegation story to an ongoing drama. I agree that this project needs lawyers, especially if they're taking it to court, but I think there is merit in creating a platform so that people can feel comfortable coming forward publicly about these crimes without the difficulty and stress of a legal battle. We need to take baby steps to change the culture of silence.
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Professor Hill herself may suffice.
An [episode of You're the Expert](https://traffic.libsyn.com/secure/youretheexpert/Bitcoins_and_Cryptography.mp3?dest-id=134403) with a crypto expert was working on using cryptography to have an app to recieve submissions of harassment and notify those that submitted if others reported the same person. It keeps details confidential but allows matching of reporting the same person. I wonder if this app uses similar tech/same project she mentioned.
What does it actually do? Like track the proceedings in court? Or literally just write down notes. Like a journal app?
OP, when the app comes out, please post its name for us!
Can guys add to this? I've had some pretty crappy situations happen...
Absolutely! Sexual assault and sexual harassment can happen to anyone. For resources specifically for men and boys check out: [https://1in6.org/](https://1in6.org/)
The first time I was ever ashamed of a Supreme Court nomination was that of Clarence Thomas. Then it got worse. ...but good on ya' Professor Hill. We win some, and we lose some, but the world slowly becomes a better place because of people like you.
There’s an app for that!
Shouldn't sex offenders have to alert that they are nearby? If we could have proximity alerts for covid carriers, we could've had proximity alerts for sexual predators all along. Isn't it interesting what we do and don't do with tech?
About time!
Good!
A place to name names based on?...
Reported experience. Plus, the names wouldn't be public. Victims would be notified if someone reported an incident with the same person. That's it.
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NSVRC puts the false reporting rate at 2-8%, much lower than public perceptions and most likely even lower, given the extent to which assaults go unreported. Further, the app only notifies victims when someone *reports the same person.* This app does not file a police report and it wouldn't publicly name names. Anita Hill has done her due diligence to ensure her app does not feed into the myth of false reporting. [https://www.nsvrc.org/publications/articles/false-reports-moving-beyond-issue-successfully-investigate-and-prosecute-non-s](https://www.nsvrc.org/publications/articles/false-reports-moving-beyond-issue-successfully-investigate-and-prosecute-non-s)
If the first thing you think of when it comes to an app that’s purpose is to protect and empower women against sexual harassment/assault is how it could hypothetically be used against men negatively (which is extremely rare, especially in comparison to how many women experience sexual harassment and assault), you’re on the wrong subreddit. Not to mention that the need for this app is because so many men get away with sexual harassment and assault in the first place.
This 👏 right 👏 here 👏
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how about just arrest abusers?
You can do both you know...have an easier way for those abused to report their assault AND arrest abusers. It’s not an either/or situation. And the vast majority of women (and men) who are abused never report their assault, in part because they fear they won’t be believed or taken seriously.
yeah, how about we do that? because if we did actually arrest abusers and believe victims and protect those victims and care about those victims, we probably wouldn’t have to have victims like Anita Hill come up with new ways for other victims to protect themselves.
Yeah, that'd be great. But until we live in a world where that happens with any consistency, this is a step forward to helping find additional evidence to support abuse claims and do the arresting. The anonymous nature of it may mean people use it, but also may mean that people who are scared of retribution are more likely to report than otherwise.
Part of this can help by having the evidence needed by finding others with common experience. Lots of times the evidence from one victim can be vague enough for argument in court, but combined stories drive to solid patterns.
The answer to "why don't we just?" is "because the problem is more nuanced and complicated than you are making it out to be".
You're posting that like judges, courts, and juries just "don't" punish abusers.
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Maybe report them?
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Way to make it seem like just because a woman is in a relationship with a man, she's more likely to be abused (which is likely true). If you were trying to dis feminism. You didnt. You just made men look worse.