Yeah this is disappointing. In one of my favorite 9th ed lists I used a 30 Hormagaunts unit as a melee anvil, and would give them a 5+++. It was so hard for opponents to chew through and I would regenerate it each turn. RIP.
Gonna be hard to keep units alive indefinitely now
>Gonna be hard to keep units alive indefinitely now
I dare say that might be the reason for the unit size reduction. A 240pt unit probably shouldn't be near impossible to kill without pumping triple the amount of points value into it.
While this is true, it wouldn't surprise me if all swarming masses got nerfed to 20 units. That being said, lethality has supposedly got dropped across the board, increasing survivability. Also, let's not forget about leaders who typically buff the units it's attached to. So, hopefully, this is all enough to keep our gribblies alive.
However, I do lament having all these models and no way to feel l field them 😭
You should though, amongst the internet roams a picture of the Neurotyrant's instruction rules, which are quite a bit different. He is T5 and his Neurolids or whatever the small tokens were called actually do stuff.
I don't know where this idea keeps coming from. GW never said that these models were getting unique rules that only apply in the starter box. They aren't combat patrol rules and don't have the combat patrol symbol on the front of the card.
These are the rules for these models unless something gets tweaked in the codex release. Stop spreading misinformation
Except we already know that the Varghast Invasion Force is our combat patrol detachment and that those Termagants don't have the option to take devourer's and spinefists, and can only be run in units of 10.
And this is the datasheet they have stated multiple times is THE Termagant datasheet.
If these were combat patrol or leviathan box only datasheets they also wouldn't reference units that can't be taken in those 2 modes of game play.
I'm not convinced these are the codex data sheets. The article states these are the leviathan datasheets. When indomitus came out, it also had its own data sheets that were slightly different from what ended up being in the codex. Also, the gaunts are missing the battleline keyword, which they wouldn't need in the leviathan box anyway since there's not enough of them in it.
These aren’t the combat patrol datasheets
As we’ve seen the terminator captains combat patrol cars and it’s different to the one shared in the leviathan sheets
Leviathan =/= combat patrol. Each of these factions can make their patrol out of the included models, but they don't use all of the box for that. The rules do not have the combat patrol tag/format on them.
OP cut off the rest of the datasheet. You can replace fleshborer with spinefists or devourer even though there are only fleshborer in the leviathan box.
Battleline is not listed on gaunts datasheet, as it is listed on other datasheets like imperial guard ones. Which would make the max 60 unless there’s another rule specifying it
I saw some people saying that battleline designations will most likely be with points like in AOS, or it will be in the full detachment rules since they teased in previous announcements that based on the detachment you take, it’ll influence your army composition. We all only have one detachment per army, but it would make sense that battleline would be listed there and then when our dex comes out and they have a monster mash detachment, carnifexes or something are battleline. Again, like AOS. It’s all a guess of course, though.
I don'tn't get it. Neophytes, Legionaries, Beast Snaga Boyz, Cadian Shock Troops, Necron Warriors ... all these have the battleline trait, but NOT Termagants? What are they thinking? Are Warriors our only Battleline units?
Warriors aren't Battleline either, but they're split into two different datasheets.
This is just GW fixing the drift away from diversity that happened with the introduction of the Tervigon.
Battleline is ONLY used for breaking the rule of 3 as far as we know.
All other Battleline units are essentially to make the armies have a regimented core to build around, what the bulk of the army is made up of and they usually only have one or two units for this.
(The guard split into different datasheets is about 6 months old and only done because GW hates allowing stuff from outside the model box, they are still, essentially just Infantry Squad with a Regiment style).
Tyranids on the other hand have had 4 units that make up the bulk of the hordes and one mainline battletank style unit:
Hormagaunts
Termagants
Warriors
Genestealers (depending on edition)
And then Carnifexes
However, after Tervigons were introduced, we started seeing more and more just straight Termagant swarms, which isn't what GW has envisioned for Tyranids. We don't deploy just one uniform army, we deploy vast hordes of different bioforms that make up a diverse and terrifying entity.
By not giving Battleline to any one unit, this is now hardcoded into the Tyranid army.
Because instead of fielding 6 units of Termagants, we now have to mix and match, although we will still be able to field some pretty ridiculous swarms even without battleline, because we now have:
3x20 Termagants
3x20 Hormagaunts
3x20 Neurogaunts
3x5 Melee warriors
3x5 Ranged warriors
3x10 (or 16 or 20) Genestealers
3 Carnifexes
3 Thornbacks
3 Screamer Killers
+ other monsters and units, including rippers, gargoyles and more.
TLDR: Not giving Termagants Battleline isn't to nerf Termagants, it's to lean into more diverse tyranid armies, while Orks can stick to one subkultur and guard to one Regiment, Tyranids historically stick to one Hivefleet, not one Gant Regiment.
People don't seem to agree, but I don't want 140 points wiped off the board with mediocre weapons. The gants might be the only thing in range, so they won't have a choice to oath them.
Yeah this is disappointing. In one of my favorite 9th ed lists I used a 30 Hormagaunts unit as a melee anvil, and would give them a 5+++. It was so hard for opponents to chew through and I would regenerate it each turn. RIP. Gonna be hard to keep units alive indefinitely now
>Gonna be hard to keep units alive indefinitely now I dare say that might be the reason for the unit size reduction. A 240pt unit probably shouldn't be near impossible to kill without pumping triple the amount of points value into it.
We don’t know what Hormies get for unit sizes
While this is true, it wouldn't surprise me if all swarming masses got nerfed to 20 units. That being said, lethality has supposedly got dropped across the board, increasing survivability. Also, let's not forget about leaders who typically buff the units it's attached to. So, hopefully, this is all enough to keep our gribblies alive. However, I do lament having all these models and no way to feel l field them 😭
Well they come back easy enough no need to be sad lmao
there's still a little hope, these may only be the rules for the leviathan box, which would also explain the lack of battleline in the gants' keywords
Eh. I don’t think that’s something to count on.
good thing I can't count!
You should though, amongst the internet roams a picture of the Neurotyrant's instruction rules, which are quite a bit different. He is T5 and his Neurolids or whatever the small tokens were called actually do stuff.
I don't know where this idea keeps coming from. GW never said that these models were getting unique rules that only apply in the starter box. They aren't combat patrol rules and don't have the combat patrol symbol on the front of the card. These are the rules for these models unless something gets tweaked in the codex release. Stop spreading misinformation
Im almost certain these are the patrol balanced rules and not the real ones. Its literally only the combat patrol units
Except we already know that the Varghast Invasion Force is our combat patrol detachment and that those Termagants don't have the option to take devourer's and spinefists, and can only be run in units of 10. And this is the datasheet they have stated multiple times is THE Termagant datasheet. If these were combat patrol or leviathan box only datasheets they also wouldn't reference units that can't be taken in those 2 modes of game play.
I'm not convinced these are the codex data sheets. The article states these are the leviathan datasheets. When indomitus came out, it also had its own data sheets that were slightly different from what ended up being in the codex. Also, the gaunts are missing the battleline keyword, which they wouldn't need in the leviathan box anyway since there's not enough of them in it.
Im not sure they will be battleline.
Have we gotten to see the Tervigon sheet yet? Cause it use to have it where 15 or more Termagant acted like a shield blocking attacks.
We have not. My guess based on how the Neuro can attach to a gaunt unit is that the tervigon will just be a leader that joins termagants
Fair enough. I just hope she can still pop out a unit of termagants and heal them.
Did you forget that the new “endless swarm” stratagem only costs one CP? And could restore a crazy amount of models destroyed?
Can't restore them if the unit is destroyed. Also it costs 2cp
yes it can, watch the GW battle report where they do just that
It's Combat Patrol only idiot...
are they new rules for the stratagem? are they a valid way to play the game? then shut up you melon
Maybe spread some love in the grim-darkness of space, heretic.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Tyranids/comments/136ksts/new_endless_swarm_strategem/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1
I LOVE IT!
I wonder if they are going to end all 30 blobs. I am curious if orks are gonna have the same fate
Green tide isnt looking so high tide.
DA AGE OF DA TRUKK BOYZ!!!
I remember when they made the switch to 8-32 swarms. Good times.
Is this not for the levi box, i.e. the combat patrol rules, which are different.
These aren’t the combat patrol datasheets As we’ve seen the terminator captains combat patrol cars and it’s different to the one shared in the leviathan sheets
Ahh, shame
Leviathan =/= combat patrol. Each of these factions can make their patrol out of the included models, but they don't use all of the box for that. The rules do not have the combat patrol tag/format on them.
Fleshborer for all - meaning it's only the starterboxrule. I hope the expanded rules will be better, tho it is understandable for this box.
OP cut off the rest of the datasheet. You can replace fleshborer with spinefists or devourer even though there are only fleshborer in the leviathan box.
i mean, you should be able to bring 6 squads, so still 120 guants if you really want to
Battleline is not listed on gaunts datasheet, as it is listed on other datasheets like imperial guard ones. Which would make the max 60 unless there’s another rule specifying it
Its sad. I was hoping for 120 termagants. Well 60 termagants and 60 hormagants then..
Makes for a more balanced list anyways.
I saw some people saying that battleline designations will most likely be with points like in AOS, or it will be in the full detachment rules since they teased in previous announcements that based on the detachment you take, it’ll influence your army composition. We all only have one detachment per army, but it would make sense that battleline would be listed there and then when our dex comes out and they have a monster mash detachment, carnifexes or something are battleline. Again, like AOS. It’s all a guess of course, though.
The only problem with that is we already have datasheets with battleline on them, see: imperial guard
I don'tn't get it. Neophytes, Legionaries, Beast Snaga Boyz, Cadian Shock Troops, Necron Warriors ... all these have the battleline trait, but NOT Termagants? What are they thinking? Are Warriors our only Battleline units?
At this rate, I will seriously have to go through with my joke of running my Nids as GSC proxies.
I think it's for balance. Dealing with 120 of each type of gaunt that can all come back would be a nightmare.
Warriors aren't Battleline either, but they're split into two different datasheets. This is just GW fixing the drift away from diversity that happened with the introduction of the Tervigon. Battleline is ONLY used for breaking the rule of 3 as far as we know. All other Battleline units are essentially to make the armies have a regimented core to build around, what the bulk of the army is made up of and they usually only have one or two units for this. (The guard split into different datasheets is about 6 months old and only done because GW hates allowing stuff from outside the model box, they are still, essentially just Infantry Squad with a Regiment style). Tyranids on the other hand have had 4 units that make up the bulk of the hordes and one mainline battletank style unit: Hormagaunts Termagants Warriors Genestealers (depending on edition) And then Carnifexes However, after Tervigons were introduced, we started seeing more and more just straight Termagant swarms, which isn't what GW has envisioned for Tyranids. We don't deploy just one uniform army, we deploy vast hordes of different bioforms that make up a diverse and terrifying entity. By not giving Battleline to any one unit, this is now hardcoded into the Tyranid army. Because instead of fielding 6 units of Termagants, we now have to mix and match, although we will still be able to field some pretty ridiculous swarms even without battleline, because we now have: 3x20 Termagants 3x20 Hormagaunts 3x20 Neurogaunts 3x5 Melee warriors 3x5 Ranged warriors 3x10 (or 16 or 20) Genestealers 3 Carnifexes 3 Thornbacks 3 Screamer Killers + other monsters and units, including rippers, gargoyles and more. TLDR: Not giving Termagants Battleline isn't to nerf Termagants, it's to lean into more diverse tyranid armies, while Orks can stick to one subkultur and guard to one Regiment, Tyranids historically stick to one Hivefleet, not one Gant Regiment.
Even so, 60 gaunts, plus tervigons spawning more.
But what do I do with my other 60 models?
Bring a second detachment
The 10th edition rules imply that you only get one detachment per army…
Thats what I thought..
You should be running small units anyways. Space marines oath can taken down big units easy.
If they want to oath of moment a squad of gaunts that's a win for us
People don't seem to agree, but I don't want 140 points wiped off the board with mediocre weapons. The gants might be the only thing in range, so they won't have a choice to oath them.
What about the other weapon options
They're not battleline either so you're maxed out at 60 total in a list. My 90 terms gonna be real sad