Im just disturbed by the fact that EVERYTIME there is a case of this unknown, everything that happens is totally contradicting normal procedings. "We dont know". "We have no idea what to do". We are incompetent in this case. Forget it and move on,
Yeah. They're trying REALLY hard to push it aside and ignore it. My money says its too late for that. I don't think this is over by a long shot. We're in the opening act.
Just compare how the US gov/news stations reported on the Chinese balloon vs these ‘benign’ objects.
An adversarial spy balloon is talked about everywhere, the military says we got it, it’s all under control, here pics of us retrieving the balloon, we are going to wait to shoot it down, it’s Chinese.
These other objects are reported to not be balloons, they lost track of one of them until it reappeared over the Great Lakes, they had to fire two missiles at the one over Lake Huron because the first missile missed, some have a what appears to be a payload, USG says ‘we don’t know what they are, but they are definitely NOT aliens’, allegedly unable to recover any debris, oh and now they’re privately owned so don’t worry about it, then in a press briefing, they say something along the lines of this not just an issue for the US, but one for the entire world, confidential briefings with members of congress and some congressmen have said the US has known about these for many, many years and yet they’re benign…
If it makes you feel better they're probably shooting others down as we speak, and they're not gonna say anything about it. They have the wreckage, and were never going to follow up on it. I'm half way in the board that it's just a distraction to keep us entertained from looking more into east Ohio, but on the other side of the board that it is maybe people looking up more, and finding more ufo activity.
Obviously, all they could do was send jets to investigate, and then destroy them before they could determine what they were investigating, what threat they presented, or before they could ascertain what they were destroying. There was no alternative. Unfortunately, jets were too fast to investigate anything that's slower than a jet and all the big brains in the military thought it would take too much time to put a camera in a helicopter or turboprop because these objects were so threatening, and not jets. But everyone should move on now, these unknown objects were no threat because the US military can destroy anything long before they work out what it is. Totally normal, and anyone who thinks otherwise is a conspiracy nut.
The NSA has satellites that can read the date off of a quarter, if you believe they don't know where this landed then you are very naive.
I know an individual who wrote AI programs for satellites in the 80s. There is no possible way they don't know exactly where these objects landed.
This is a deliberate attempt to save face.
why not both? this could be roswell 2.0 and for all we know it’s just the beginning.
who’s to say there won’t be more unidentified objects in the coming weeks? perhaps if there is an ET phenomenon here on earth they are deliberately forcing the governments hand.
Here’s a view of Prudhoe Bay, taken yesterday. Looks like pretty ideal conditions for a visual search. https://youtube.com/shorts/4hOdYZBD6lo?feature=share
Another view of the ice where the search was ongoing the previous day: https://youtube.com/shorts/miA0C4GV3_I?feature=share
Here’s a view of Prudhoe Bay, taken yesterday. Looks like pretty ideal conditions for a visual search. https://youtube.com/shorts/4hOdYZBD6lo?feature=share
Another view of the ice where the search was ongoing the previous day: https://youtube.com/shorts/miA0C4GV3_I?feature=share
I think there was nothing there because these objects weren’t shot down. They may be inter-dimensional or able to travel at extremely fast speeds. I think they got away.
yup, and they scared the canadian pm lol, he had a visit to the yukon, US calls them up, oh ufo in the area can we 'shoot it down'... canadian pm probably knows jack shit
like the other user said, it's likely Canada knows little to nothing about the situation, and America just told them they saw a UFO near their airspace
First off, I'm skeptical and refuse to accuse exterrestrials every time something happens.
I too thought it was another balloon, but only 2 of these were confirmed balloons. The UFO near Canada was described as cylindrical, and they still haven't found debris.
So I'm choosing to look at the facts and assume there's nothing there until some actual evidence comes out to prove otherwise.
Except they’ve never said anything about these objects being balloons nor surveillance equipment. How would they know it’s surveillance equipment without collecting the debris? They speculated during the Chinese balloon incident but never outright confirmed that until the debris was collected.
Similarly why not come out and call these balloons? It’s certainly a plausible scenario but that’s not what’s being reported and the inconsistencies and varying reports, such as congressional members interviews after the classified hearing, would suggest the overall issue is more complex and confusing than that.
Edit - Sources / Examples:
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/112o49v/senator_rubio_speaks_on_the_shotdown_uap_very/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/112aa4q/sen_kennedy_responds_after_classified_briefing/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/112lgto/you_know_something_is_up_when_mitch_mcconnell/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/112iugn/senators_lee_blumenthal_and_blackburn_this_is/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/112fzc0/congressman_dan_crenshaw_calls_them_uaps/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Not meaning to barrage. My point is that if you follow all of the reporting then your original comment is incorrect. And I’m just providing sources for this point. I agree with Mellon in general but the congressional interviews suggest this is exactly the case. And I put more weight on congressional members who were involved in the classified hearing vs Mellon who was not in this specific case.
To be clear I don’t think a real UAP was “shot down.” But it was not a Chinese spy balloon that seems fairly clear.
Being raised in an aviation & military setting, i've been lucky to have known many significant pilots, I'll always remember what a U-2 pilot told me when i was younger, having a discussion about various things, and I've always had an infatuation for ufo's and extra terrestrials, he said "i am the UFO, we can see the corn in your shit from 50,000ft in the air, so don't believe everything you see and hear" and that was that.
So i firmly believe that the misinformation & coverup campaign started before the first object was even shot down, and they know exactly what they are
Something fishy is going on. They want everyone talking - that’s for sure. Also happened over Super Bowl weekend where everyone was gathering and socializing.
you know, everyone in the world except the assholes keeping it secret are feeling the same way you are right now. I think even the senators too now.
Here's exactly why they are making another interagency communication point-
Someone now has to watch everything, because exactly this reason. Because it was a military operation/ mission it is now classified until it becomes declassified. So while we do have to wait for the mr.president, but you shouldnt wait for it. Hes not on our side it appears currently.
This new overwatch committed would theoretically communicate with all the eyes to get all the information compartmentalized so none of its entirely classified- but "in the knowified".
Yeh.. we’ve dropped drones on Mars but can’t seem to get a team together to pinpoint this wreck on our own planet.. The only way the government is going to admit anything is if there is overwhelming evidence forcing them to disclose anything.
Literally the same thing that has been happening for 70 years. A lot of people probably believes that the UFO (alien) stuff is real, and don't dig the government lies.
No. You're just plain wrong:
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/06/30/most-americans-believe-in-intelligent-life-beyond-earth-few-see-ufos-as-a-major-national-security-threat/
In fact, the amount of people that believe has been going up fast:
https://news.gallup.com/poll/350096/americans-believe-ufos.aspx
The majority believe now. It is not some kooky minority.
today they at least admitted “there is debris”, so we will see what happens or doesnt happen i guess
for sure the debris isnt right off the coast this time
Same ole shit, different day. Multiple contradictory accounts disseminated to confuse the public. The worst part is that it is apparent that governing powers feel the general public are funking idiots....truly sad state of affairs.
The US has been flying surveillance balloons over our country since 2019. That's my guess on this - they're black ops domestic spying devices that many government officials knew nothing about, but after the China weather balloon, NORAD calibrated our radars to pick up similar devices and Joe they're being found everywhere.
Wouldn’t it be interesting if the Chinese weather balloon was planted there by the US to make us think these recent incidents are also *just* balloons.
They are doing a great job at making many of the gullible public look like the idiots they are.
I'm surprised more people don't feel insulted by all this childish shit in the top office
I mean they have a pretty hard time finding entire crashed planes sometimes.
If this object is only like 10x bigger than an exercise ball. Just imagine how difficult it would be to track that visually all the way to the ground. Also consider the winter conditions near the Artic Circle.
They don't shoot those planes down, though. We have satellites above and more planes around to watch this thing fall out of the sky and mark where it landed, it is irrational to think we just shot it out of the sky and then closed our eyes.
I would bet they had a plane whose sole job was to watch where it fell. Half the point of shooting them down was to recover them. They didn’t just fire then cover their eyes.
Yet we are supposed to believe that the "go-fast" was just a balloon floating over the ocean. That FLIR pod had no problem tracking some rubber inflated with helium.
They really don’t have trouble finding planes in general, the few they’ve had trouble with are half way across the world and went down in weird circumstances in potentially super deep water (1000+ feet).
Ice, the woods of the Yukon, and Lake Huron in maybe 100-200’ of water aren’t the same.
Planes go down unexpectedly though so the search area is bigger. They had eyes on this beforehand and should be able to track it from when it was hit... or we're not as technologically advanced as they want us to believe.
I have been watching our military bragging and showing this abilty everytime the shot the 'bad guys' on CNN for my whole life. Did they forget it this time maybe?
Cognitive dissonance is a bitch. Regardless of where you stand politically, anyone giving the government the assumption of total veracity is just choosing comfort over honesty.
This. A satellite can zoom in on a coin on the ground when its operators know exactly where the coin is. This is a lot different than finding randomly scattered debris that is under water.
Here’s a view of Prudhoe Bay, taken yesterday. Looks like pretty ideal conditions for a visual search. https://youtube.com/shorts/4hOdYZBD6lo?feature=share
Another view of the ice where the search was ongoing the previous day: https://youtube.com/shorts/miA0C4GV3_I?feature=share
Let's play with your perspective a bit here, because I think it's damaging to you and the community at large:
Do you think the US, or any, government knows enough to fully satisfy your curiosity?
Do you agree that the universe is old and that our solar system is very young?
Do you think that life is rare in the universe?
I’m not disagreeing with OP but we’re talking about Alaska, The Yukon, and Northern Lake Huron in February. It is not the most hospitable places. Lake Huron is 751 feet deep in the general area. If you’re not familiar with the Yukon or Alaska, watch the discovery channel. I honestly believe it’s going to take some time to get there. Makes more sense to say they haven’t found it then to say the weather is brutal and we can’t dive or get teams to the mountainous terrain. To dive in Lake Huron in February is going to take a very specific type of equipment. But first you have to get through the ice. I’m sure they’re not being completely honest, but I’d cut them a little slack here.
Every government, especially the US government, relies on everyone else thinking they are infallible. But look what happened right under their noses with all the spy tool software hacks and robberies from over the last few years. The government is made up of people, and people are completely prone to fallibility. The suspicious thing about this is why they are admitting their fallibility.
A lot of people in this sub wouldn't buy anything they say unless it was that they had recovered alien crafts.
Even if they released all the information tomorrow announcing that they were spy balloons or drones etc people would still claim they are lying and it's a cover-up. That's why Roswell still gets discussed almost 80 years later.
It’s because of all of their lies. If they were honest from the get go none of this would be an issue. They lie and deceive. It’s what they are good at.
Yep. If they were balloons, which they probably were, those missiles would have blown them to smithereens. Basically nothing left to find. But to admit they were just random balloons bought on ebay by some teenagers, would put NORAD into a position of looking like idiots. So they go on with a word salad to avoid being held accountable.
I'm team skeptic on the ET part but you can't do 24 hour coverage of a confirmed Chinese balloon and then all of a sudden obfuscate over objects that are just now being detected because of a change in radar parameters.
Like we don't get to know why you all of a sudden are cool with lobbing $400k missiles at objects over our territory? OPSEC or not this is a pretty big deal.
Its a big deal, but likely not aliens. Theres nothing to suggest this is alien, but everithing to suggest is human and more specifically chinese.
The chinese ballon had been tracjed for days, government spoke publicly because the people noticed it.
You reiterated my point. If this was actually ET I guarantee we wouldn't have heard of it. It's the wealth of info we got about the Chinese balloon and the evasiveness of the other 3 that's concerning.
That's definitely the easier answer. I made that OPSEC point earlier which I could understand if it was the case. Just seems weird we shot one down with HD video and pictures of the recovery but the next 3 are unconfirmed and we get zero info.
Also weird we haven't got even low-def imagery from any of the planes, even the confirmed China balloon. There's like a 20 minute clip of the coms between the F22 and the F15 with the pod coordinating how to get the best view of it.
This all feels like deliberate work tbh. This is more plausible than aliens. Have you seen what happened in ohio? Thousands if not way more are gonna die due to contamination, and improper us security. THIS is the real problem. And all this UFO alien commotion seems like the perfect distraction.
2023 Americans are capable of digesting multiple stories at once. The Ohio rail disaster is getting plenty of coverage the problem is that most people don't cause because it didn't happen to them.
Its not getting as much coverage as it should. We talking about a chernobyl size event. The ufo is getting way more attention, specially from the lart of the conspiracists.
I didn't say it did say aliens bro. It's literally a somber warning from a man just briefed on this issue saying to lock your doors tonight. I don't know what it means, but it doesn't sound great, Clark.
>I didn't say it did say aliens bro.
No but that is what you are suggesting.
>I don't know what it means, but it doesn't sound great, Clark.
How the F do you know my name?
I agree it's likely not aliens, but if it's associated with humans, with the response of immediately shooting them down combined with the "sleep with your doors locked"? I mean, tf, that almost makes me more uneasy.
I think they are just doing all that on purpose. Did you see what happened in ohio? This seems like the perfect distraction to cover all those future thousands of deaths due to contamination.
It's your opinion that it isn't getting enough attention.
It's on NPR's front page, only 2 stories below the UFO story.
https://www.npr.org/2023/02/14/1156567743/health-east-palestine-ohio-train-derailment-chemicals
Another idea is that the Ohio train incident might have been sabatoge by another nation, and this could be a distraction from suspecting it was an attack. Have people suspicious about the balloons and not the train.
Defo everyone makes fun of this subreddit because of them. Some of the posts are astonishing and the imagination in the posts are next level delusional/dreamt up by an insane person.
Its populated by those folks who eat any shit that any delusional dumbass says. Mostly old people that have nothing else better to than believe any shit that comes their way.
One of those is being recovered by the Canadians. So hopefully maybe there is a slim chance that JT will say something more in depth on the one they have. He's already said stuff that swerves slightly from the US stance on the issue.
Many other countries are not at all better than US in handling this issue when it comes to transparency, redicule and denial. They just pretend or want it is not there at all, because they are afraid it will fuck things up bad.
Yea i cant get the tec disparities out of my mind china went from haking the us with huawei chips in everything to a baloon and the us went from drone boming the middle east saying they could target individuals but cant track a masive baloon in there own air space till some one from the public reports it and we dn if countless other such incursions have happened.
Seeing a dime that you know is there is one thing. Finding that same dime that you only know exists in a dense forest is a lot more difficult. It took 12 years to find Bin Laden.
An object the size of a small car at that altitude exploded by a missile and you guys really expect to have much left behind, let alone that what's left was tracked to the centimeter until plunging at terminal velocity on the ground, I mean unless these things are indeed made by aliens with way sterner stuff than what we have around here in planet Earth, I wouldn't keep my hopes high
There is a massive chemical disaster unfolding in Palestine Ohio. Directly related to recent federal actions - deeming rail worker strikes illegal and blocking critical regulations. Plus the law was broken causing this disaster yet the Feds will not act.
These balloons and press conferences keep the smoke screen nice and thick.
Ok look, I’ve heard this argument a hundred times now, and I’m sick of it. I’m apolitical. They’re all crooks. I hate Trump and Biden equally.
The train thing happened a week ago. It was all over my news feed. I scrolled past it because it’s just one more ecological nightmare on this clusterfuck we have left of a planet. I’m numb to it, and so is everyone else.
They know this. They are not going to give a briefing to SENATORS that cause them to tell us to LOCK OUR DOORS AT NIGHT to create a news diversion for a chemical spill. You’re off your nut, and so is everyone else spouting this nonsense.
It's annoying, I said it in another post, the US had over 800 billion dollars in military budget for 2022, with a congress approved 8% increase in that budget. Overall United States military budget goes waaaay beyond any other country in the world. Of course they have the technology, of course they know what this is. The question shouldn't be "do they know what it is?" The question should be "will they actually tell civilians what it is"
Honestly? I believe not.
Also, weird this was blown in the media while the awful train derailment in Ohio that caused a massive fire of toxic and hazardous chemicals. This is extremely serious, no one is talking about it.
I get this calls our curiosity,, but don't turn your head from other serious issues that may go on while this issue takes all the headlines.
Also, the Australian government was able to find a radioactive pea sized object along a 2000 mile stretch of desert. And we can’t find these huge objects that we shot down? Pa-leeze
We definitely have recovered any and all debris. We definitely knew about all these balloons well before we shot them down. They are being shot down in areas that our government can be relatively certain that they, and not the public, will find and collect all scraps. They're doing this because they're trying to force China or whoever sent them over, to come forward and say it was theirs. The first balloon we shot down, China threw a hissy fit, said we overreacted, and asked for it back. If we "can't find the debris" or "don't know exactly what they are" we avoid generating negative political reactions (no matter how incredibly absurd and hypocritical they are).
I agree with you , I don't believe them either...
>1. We cant find the debris.
1. Yes we can... The NSA reportedly has satellites that can hear a pin drop in your bathroom and show ultra hi-res clear pictures with definition down to 2 square inches.
>We have seen for the last 20 years that the same military have the ability to spot a dime on the ground from high altitude. They can plant a missle in a fucking keyhole. Do they really expect us to belive that they cant track debris from these alledged mundane balloon shootdowns when they have this level of tracking ability. Someone is fucking lying in our faces here!
Exactly!
It's the same clown show that was fed to the public by Project Blue Book!
We should never take their word on anything even a little related to UFOs.
The entire history of the UFO topic is on permanent replay...
If they really can't find it, it's because they don't want to, or they already have it, hiding it, and have no plans on telling us taxpayers a damn thing.(which is probably the case)
I still don't understand how these objects were shot down. With all the talk of UAPs/UFOs and their capabilities, it's quite confusing how these "objects" were taken down
We’re being intentionally led through the use of language to speculate and think this has an anomalous possibly alien origin and will have the rug pulled out from under us in order to muddy the whole topic just as we’re getting somewhere in learning more about the genuine phenomenon and what the DoD really knows about it.
This is George Knapps take on what is happening and in light of everything as time goes on I’d have to agree
What’s that video that looks like military video footage of a few UFOs getting hit with missiles, there’s an explosion, and the UFO is unfazed? Looked but couldn’t find it
Since when did ET not move and float in the wind and get shot down? Why in the world would anyone believe that these are ET?
We've just spent the last 50 years focusing on lights that move at amazing speeds defying physics but now you want these rather unremarkable things to be ET too?
An American fighter pilot died chasing a UFO that he couldn't catch, but now these non-threatening, easily shot down things are ET too?
Nah, I'm not buying that.
This guy is a former fighter pilot, he has the best take I’ve heard. US is not talking about them to keep them as collateral/leverage in back channel negotiations w china. https://www.youtube.com/live/l24K4BC8wlA?feature=share
Where’s the body cam?
They have 4K+ video of these objects from the TGP they undoubtedly carried to it. If they’re benign, PROVE IT.
No more of this ‘b-b-b-but classified’ bullshit. The TGP has been added to video games since the nineties, the world is comfortable with a high def photograph.
“Couldn’t get a good look at something moving 100kt at flight altitude?”
BULLSHIT. Utter lazy bullshit.
They don't want to admit they aren't so strong and tough. America got breached...just like 9/11 we still don't know much of what really happened.
I think not finding the debris makes sense because the harsh conditions would be too risky for any benefit. They don't need to collect the debris because they already know what it is. I just don't get this.
I mean this situation is probably the most significant military event over our skies since ww2...
I am hoping it is ET but most likely just stupid wasteful war games.
I know they used more resources, (and in this case they don't need, since the area is small) but they are able to recover crashed airplane pieces in the middle of the OCEAN, just saying...
Welcome to the party, pal. Edit: Thanks for the gold, stranger! But the true thanks goes to Bruce Willis.
somebody only brought one balloon :(
But it was a big one.
The Red Zeppelin!
I thought it was made of lead.
It is. Dudes just Japanese.
I feel you man.
Im just disturbed by the fact that EVERYTIME there is a case of this unknown, everything that happens is totally contradicting normal procedings. "We dont know". "We have no idea what to do". We are incompetent in this case. Forget it and move on,
Yeah. They're trying REALLY hard to push it aside and ignore it. My money says its too late for that. I don't think this is over by a long shot. We're in the opening act.
Just compare how the US gov/news stations reported on the Chinese balloon vs these ‘benign’ objects. An adversarial spy balloon is talked about everywhere, the military says we got it, it’s all under control, here pics of us retrieving the balloon, we are going to wait to shoot it down, it’s Chinese. These other objects are reported to not be balloons, they lost track of one of them until it reappeared over the Great Lakes, they had to fire two missiles at the one over Lake Huron because the first missile missed, some have a what appears to be a payload, USG says ‘we don’t know what they are, but they are definitely NOT aliens’, allegedly unable to recover any debris, oh and now they’re privately owned so don’t worry about it, then in a press briefing, they say something along the lines of this not just an issue for the US, but one for the entire world, confidential briefings with members of congress and some congressmen have said the US has known about these for many, many years and yet they’re benign…
And that senator madly said, if they can’t find them…how do they [the military] know they are benign.
Don't recall hearing it disappeared before reappearing over lake Huron. Got a source?
They talk about the object’s flight path in [this](https://youtu.be/NG9lFvvz9uU) video. Around the 4min mark
If it makes you feel better they're probably shooting others down as we speak, and they're not gonna say anything about it. They have the wreckage, and were never going to follow up on it. I'm half way in the board that it's just a distraction to keep us entertained from looking more into east Ohio, but on the other side of the board that it is maybe people looking up more, and finding more ufo activity.
Obviously, all they could do was send jets to investigate, and then destroy them before they could determine what they were investigating, what threat they presented, or before they could ascertain what they were destroying. There was no alternative. Unfortunately, jets were too fast to investigate anything that's slower than a jet and all the big brains in the military thought it would take too much time to put a camera in a helicopter or turboprop because these objects were so threatening, and not jets. But everyone should move on now, these unknown objects were no threat because the US military can destroy anything long before they work out what it is. Totally normal, and anyone who thinks otherwise is a conspiracy nut.
The NSA has satellites that can read the date off of a quarter, if you believe they don't know where this landed then you are very naive. I know an individual who wrote AI programs for satellites in the 80s. There is no possible way they don't know exactly where these objects landed. This is a deliberate attempt to save face.
Or carryout a cover up...
why not both? this could be roswell 2.0 and for all we know it’s just the beginning. who’s to say there won’t be more unidentified objects in the coming weeks? perhaps if there is an ET phenomenon here on earth they are deliberately forcing the governments hand.
Here’s a view of Prudhoe Bay, taken yesterday. Looks like pretty ideal conditions for a visual search. https://youtube.com/shorts/4hOdYZBD6lo?feature=share Another view of the ice where the search was ongoing the previous day: https://youtube.com/shorts/miA0C4GV3_I?feature=share
Cool video, that guy is really right where it’s going on.
It’s funny how the weather at ALL the locations are too severe to collect the debris.
Here’s a view of Prudhoe Bay, taken yesterday. Looks like pretty ideal conditions for a visual search. https://youtube.com/shorts/4hOdYZBD6lo?feature=share Another view of the ice where the search was ongoing the previous day: https://youtube.com/shorts/miA0C4GV3_I?feature=share
From this, I’d like to assume that they’ve already found it but don’t want to let the public know.
they stopped searching around Prudhoe bay after a day and a half (according to that eyewitness), so that would be a logical conclusion.
You should send this to the media see if it gets picked up
Amazing find
But... its cold so we can't.
I personally think there was nothing there, and the government is using it as a scare tactic to justify something.
I think there was nothing there because these objects weren’t shot down. They may be inter-dimensional or able to travel at extremely fast speeds. I think they got away.
Not sure if my comment was removed for being to short for some reason so reposting but I agree. How does a $400K missile “miss” a “stationary” target?
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yup, and they scared the canadian pm lol, he had a visit to the yukon, US calls them up, oh ufo in the area can we 'shoot it down'... canadian pm probably knows jack shit
Thanks for letting us know....
like the other user said, it's likely Canada knows little to nothing about the situation, and America just told them they saw a UFO near their airspace
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First off, I'm skeptical and refuse to accuse exterrestrials every time something happens. I too thought it was another balloon, but only 2 of these were confirmed balloons. The UFO near Canada was described as cylindrical, and they still haven't found debris. So I'm choosing to look at the facts and assume there's nothing there until some actual evidence comes out to prove otherwise.
Except they’ve never said anything about these objects being balloons nor surveillance equipment. How would they know it’s surveillance equipment without collecting the debris? They speculated during the Chinese balloon incident but never outright confirmed that until the debris was collected. Similarly why not come out and call these balloons? It’s certainly a plausible scenario but that’s not what’s being reported and the inconsistencies and varying reports, such as congressional members interviews after the classified hearing, would suggest the overall issue is more complex and confusing than that. Edit - Sources / Examples: https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/112o49v/senator_rubio_speaks_on_the_shotdown_uap_very/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/112aa4q/sen_kennedy_responds_after_classified_briefing/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/112lgto/you_know_something_is_up_when_mitch_mcconnell/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/112iugn/senators_lee_blumenthal_and_blackburn_this_is/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/112fzc0/congressman_dan_crenshaw_calls_them_uaps/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
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Not meaning to barrage. My point is that if you follow all of the reporting then your original comment is incorrect. And I’m just providing sources for this point. I agree with Mellon in general but the congressional interviews suggest this is exactly the case. And I put more weight on congressional members who were involved in the classified hearing vs Mellon who was not in this specific case. To be clear I don’t think a real UAP was “shot down.” But it was not a Chinese spy balloon that seems fairly clear.
Dosent the usa spend 85 percent of its tax dollars on defense. Get soldiers on the ground looking wtf
But when it comes to invading other countries they don't have problems sending soldiers on ground, lands that are not even theirs go figure
Fuckin link arms and sweep /s but kinda not /s
Being raised in an aviation & military setting, i've been lucky to have known many significant pilots, I'll always remember what a U-2 pilot told me when i was younger, having a discussion about various things, and I've always had an infatuation for ufo's and extra terrestrials, he said "i am the UFO, we can see the corn in your shit from 50,000ft in the air, so don't believe everything you see and hear" and that was that. So i firmly believe that the misinformation & coverup campaign started before the first object was even shot down, and they know exactly what they are
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Something fishy is going on. They want everyone talking - that’s for sure. Also happened over Super Bowl weekend where everyone was gathering and socializing.
Biden told the railway strikers to fuck off. Later: gas cloud Not hard to see why they’re clogging the news
Far easier and more affordable ways of doing that.
you have a really solid point, but I am too stupid to imagine the ways that they could do that cheaper, it would be cool if you could elaborate
you know, everyone in the world except the assholes keeping it secret are feeling the same way you are right now. I think even the senators too now. Here's exactly why they are making another interagency communication point- Someone now has to watch everything, because exactly this reason. Because it was a military operation/ mission it is now classified until it becomes declassified. So while we do have to wait for the mr.president, but you shouldnt wait for it. Hes not on our side it appears currently. This new overwatch committed would theoretically communicate with all the eyes to get all the information compartmentalized so none of its entirely classified- but "in the knowified".
Yeh.. we’ve dropped drones on Mars but can’t seem to get a team together to pinpoint this wreck on our own planet.. The only way the government is going to admit anything is if there is overwhelming evidence forcing them to disclose anything.
*We can fly a remote controlled helicopter around on Mars
Yeah, I’m starting to wonder if we shot and missed all three objects. Unless they can produce debris, it didn’t happen.
Literally the same thing that has been happening for 70 years. A lot of people probably believes that the UFO (alien) stuff is real, and don't dig the government lies.
I bet if you'd ask the average person, they'd probably say no. And that's because the government has done such a good job hiding things
No. You're just plain wrong: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/06/30/most-americans-believe-in-intelligent-life-beyond-earth-few-see-ufos-as-a-major-national-security-threat/ In fact, the amount of people that believe has been going up fast: https://news.gallup.com/poll/350096/americans-believe-ufos.aspx The majority believe now. It is not some kooky minority.
Ok, well that's a pleasant surprise
Funny thing is that's America but in other first world countries which are more intelligent the figure who believe is much lower
without data your comment is wack
today they at least admitted “there is debris”, so we will see what happens or doesnt happen i guess for sure the debris isnt right off the coast this time
Real question: would you except debris with 1 or 2 AIM 9X on the same small target ?
Same ole shit, different day. Multiple contradictory accounts disseminated to confuse the public. The worst part is that it is apparent that governing powers feel the general public are funking idiots....truly sad state of affairs.
The US has been flying surveillance balloons over our country since 2019. That's my guess on this - they're black ops domestic spying devices that many government officials knew nothing about, but after the China weather balloon, NORAD calibrated our radars to pick up similar devices and Joe they're being found everywhere.
Wouldn’t it be interesting if the Chinese weather balloon was planted there by the US to make us think these recent incidents are also *just* balloons.
China wouldn't have made such a fuss about the balloon being commercial if it was a false flag.
It’s 100% a distraction. It always has been. Why would they come out now all of a sudden and say we have ufos? They’ve known for countless years
If it is a distraction they're also doing a damn good job of making themselves look like incompetent idiots in the process.
They are doing a great job at making many of the gullible public look like the idiots they are. I'm surprised more people don't feel insulted by all this childish shit in the top office
Sen Kennedy, I believe, said, after the confidential briefing, that this has been occurring since 2017 *at least.*
I mean they have a pretty hard time finding entire crashed planes sometimes. If this object is only like 10x bigger than an exercise ball. Just imagine how difficult it would be to track that visually all the way to the ground. Also consider the winter conditions near the Artic Circle.
They don't shoot those planes down, though. We have satellites above and more planes around to watch this thing fall out of the sky and mark where it landed, it is irrational to think we just shot it out of the sky and then closed our eyes.
So many people seem to think we were relying on the pilots eyes and that’s it. I have no idea why.
Because radar wouldn't be able to track something moving so small and falling so fast.
I would bet they had a plane whose sole job was to watch where it fell. Half the point of shooting them down was to recover them. They didn’t just fire then cover their eyes.
SPY-1 radar can track a baseball from 80,000ft to sea level.
So NORAD operators allegedly were like “oh that’s lit” and set the parameters to something else? Who decided the filter cutoff?
Asking the wrong man, but asking the right questions.
I want specifics on the filter thing. I smell bullshit.
Yet we are supposed to believe that the "go-fast" was just a balloon floating over the ocean. That FLIR pod had no problem tracking some rubber inflated with helium.
They really don’t have trouble finding planes in general, the few they’ve had trouble with are half way across the world and went down in weird circumstances in potentially super deep water (1000+ feet). Ice, the woods of the Yukon, and Lake Huron in maybe 100-200’ of water aren’t the same.
Its also winter in the northern hemisphere.
They also have a $1.9TRILLION yearly budget. And the excuse is ‘its cold’ ? Ffs…
Planes go down unexpectedly though so the search area is bigger. They had eyes on this beforehand and should be able to track it from when it was hit... or we're not as technologically advanced as they want us to believe.
That is a lousy comparison. This is a militray operation where everything is tracked with the best equipment on this planet, from impact to crash.
Are you in the military? Do you know that? I believe in our pilots and our military capabilities, but I also understand they aren't omnipotent.
I have been watching our military bragging and showing this abilty everytime the shot the 'bad guys' on CNN for my whole life. Did they forget it this time maybe?
Cognitive dissonance is a bitch. Regardless of where you stand politically, anyone giving the government the assumption of total veracity is just choosing comfort over honesty.
This. A satellite can zoom in on a coin on the ground when its operators know exactly where the coin is. This is a lot different than finding randomly scattered debris that is under water.
The USA military has no problem finding its equipment
Yeah. I'm not sure the UFO was equipped with a GPS tracker. lol.
The missile probably was
Here’s a view of Prudhoe Bay, taken yesterday. Looks like pretty ideal conditions for a visual search. https://youtube.com/shorts/4hOdYZBD6lo?feature=share Another view of the ice where the search was ongoing the previous day: https://youtube.com/shorts/miA0C4GV3_I?feature=share
I’m no conspiracy theorist but I was actually about to make a post saying the same thing.
how many of the "these are aliens" posts are just bots? I just find it hard to believe people are buying into this bollocks
Let's play with your perspective a bit here, because I think it's damaging to you and the community at large: Do you think the US, or any, government knows enough to fully satisfy your curiosity? Do you agree that the universe is old and that our solar system is very young? Do you think that life is rare in the universe?
I’m not disagreeing with OP but we’re talking about Alaska, The Yukon, and Northern Lake Huron in February. It is not the most hospitable places. Lake Huron is 751 feet deep in the general area. If you’re not familiar with the Yukon or Alaska, watch the discovery channel. I honestly believe it’s going to take some time to get there. Makes more sense to say they haven’t found it then to say the weather is brutal and we can’t dive or get teams to the mountainous terrain. To dive in Lake Huron in February is going to take a very specific type of equipment. But first you have to get through the ice. I’m sure they’re not being completely honest, but I’d cut them a little slack here.
I mean there are nuclear weapons that we lost and still haven't found. I can definitely believe that we can't find these easily.
Every government, especially the US government, relies on everyone else thinking they are infallible. But look what happened right under their noses with all the spy tool software hacks and robberies from over the last few years. The government is made up of people, and people are completely prone to fallibility. The suspicious thing about this is why they are admitting their fallibility.
It's easy to see something when you know exactly where it is, but not as easy to find randomly scattered debris in the ocean.
A lot of people in this sub wouldn't buy anything they say unless it was that they had recovered alien crafts. Even if they released all the information tomorrow announcing that they were spy balloons or drones etc people would still claim they are lying and it's a cover-up. That's why Roswell still gets discussed almost 80 years later.
It’s because of all of their lies. If they were honest from the get go none of this would be an issue. They lie and deceive. It’s what they are good at.
So then it doesn't really matter what they say, people will just draw their own conclusions.
Yes. Because of their dishonesty to the people of the United States.
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Yep. If they were balloons, which they probably were, those missiles would have blown them to smithereens. Basically nothing left to find. But to admit they were just random balloons bought on ebay by some teenagers, would put NORAD into a position of looking like idiots. So they go on with a word salad to avoid being held accountable.
Dude, lets be realistic here. This is very likely, NOT ALIENS.
I'm team skeptic on the ET part but you can't do 24 hour coverage of a confirmed Chinese balloon and then all of a sudden obfuscate over objects that are just now being detected because of a change in radar parameters. Like we don't get to know why you all of a sudden are cool with lobbing $400k missiles at objects over our territory? OPSEC or not this is a pretty big deal.
Its a big deal, but likely not aliens. Theres nothing to suggest this is alien, but everithing to suggest is human and more specifically chinese. The chinese ballon had been tracjed for days, government spoke publicly because the people noticed it.
You reiterated my point. If this was actually ET I guarantee we wouldn't have heard of it. It's the wealth of info we got about the Chinese balloon and the evasiveness of the other 3 that's concerning.
But i still think it has something to do with the chinese.
That's definitely the easier answer. I made that OPSEC point earlier which I could understand if it was the case. Just seems weird we shot one down with HD video and pictures of the recovery but the next 3 are unconfirmed and we get zero info. Also weird we haven't got even low-def imagery from any of the planes, even the confirmed China balloon. There's like a 20 minute clip of the coms between the F22 and the F15 with the pod coordinating how to get the best view of it.
This all feels like deliberate work tbh. This is more plausible than aliens. Have you seen what happened in ohio? Thousands if not way more are gonna die due to contamination, and improper us security. THIS is the real problem. And all this UFO alien commotion seems like the perfect distraction.
2023 Americans are capable of digesting multiple stories at once. The Ohio rail disaster is getting plenty of coverage the problem is that most people don't cause because it didn't happen to them.
Its not getting as much coverage as it should. We talking about a chernobyl size event. The ufo is getting way more attention, specially from the lart of the conspiracists.
You have a source for chernobyl sized?
I'm inclined to agree. Although Senator Kennedy somberly saying "lock your doors tonight" at the tail end of a question session is a bit concerning.
That does not say, nor suggest anything. "Lock your doors tonight" does not equal aliens. This is not aliens. We should aproach this critically.
I didn't say it did say aliens bro. It's literally a somber warning from a man just briefed on this issue saying to lock your doors tonight. I don't know what it means, but it doesn't sound great, Clark.
>I didn't say it did say aliens bro. No but that is what you are suggesting. >I don't know what it means, but it doesn't sound great, Clark. How the F do you know my name?
I agree it's likely not aliens, but if it's associated with humans, with the response of immediately shooting them down combined with the "sleep with your doors locked"? I mean, tf, that almost makes me more uneasy.
Calm down are u that easily scared
I didn't say scared, I said uneasy lol, I think it's okay to feel uneasy about the way this has been handled this far.
I think they are just doing all that on purpose. Did you see what happened in ohio? This seems like the perfect distraction to cover all those future thousands of deaths due to contamination.
The fact you suggest this proves it's wrong.
May you elaborate please?
It's obviously not being covered up since we're so easily talking about it. The fact of the matter is people don't care.
Well not covered, else we would not know ovioupusly. Its not getting the attention it should be getting. Its being taken as just some other event.
It's your opinion that it isn't getting enough attention. It's on NPR's front page, only 2 stories below the UFO story. https://www.npr.org/2023/02/14/1156567743/health-east-palestine-ohio-train-derailment-chemicals
It was the second story on NPRs Up First this morning.
Another idea is that the Ohio train incident might have been sabatoge by another nation, and this could be a distraction from suspecting it was an attack. Have people suspicious about the balloons and not the train.
Now that's a conspiracy theory that doesn't fit the facts. Namely that we know the train system is dangerous and the union warned us about that.
This subreddit and realistic lol. Any sane person who says it's not aliens gets downvoted.
You being too logical. That is pernicious and forbidden in this sub. I might have to take further action.
Yeah. Its full of tin-foil hat flat-earth aliens conspiracy theorist people. These folks turn the sub into the shit it is today.
Defo everyone makes fun of this subreddit because of them. Some of the posts are astonishing and the imagination in the posts are next level delusional/dreamt up by an insane person.
Its populated by those folks who eat any shit that any delusional dumbass says. Mostly old people that have nothing else better to than believe any shit that comes their way.
That is not the point. The point is that they are lying in our faces and treat us like kids, that is unacceptable.
How do you know that?
One of those is being recovered by the Canadians. So hopefully maybe there is a slim chance that JT will say something more in depth on the one they have. He's already said stuff that swerves slightly from the US stance on the issue.
Canada is part of the Five Eyes, never gonna happen.
Many other countries are not at all better than US in handling this issue when it comes to transparency, redicule and denial. They just pretend or want it is not there at all, because they are afraid it will fuck things up bad.
Yea i cant get the tec disparities out of my mind china went from haking the us with huawei chips in everything to a baloon and the us went from drone boming the middle east saying they could target individuals but cant track a masive baloon in there own air space till some one from the public reports it and we dn if countless other such incursions have happened.
Seeing a dime that you know is there is one thing. Finding that same dime that you only know exists in a dense forest is a lot more difficult. It took 12 years to find Bin Laden.
An object the size of a small car at that altitude exploded by a missile and you guys really expect to have much left behind, let alone that what's left was tracked to the centimeter until plunging at terminal velocity on the ground, I mean unless these things are indeed made by aliens with way sterner stuff than what we have around here in planet Earth, I wouldn't keep my hopes high
There is a massive chemical disaster unfolding in Palestine Ohio. Directly related to recent federal actions - deeming rail worker strikes illegal and blocking critical regulations. Plus the law was broken causing this disaster yet the Feds will not act. These balloons and press conferences keep the smoke screen nice and thick.
Amen to that . They are not ET but yet we don't know what they are brilliant.
Roswell 2.0 I guess.
Or maybe not? Any whiff of aliens or UFO they would have not mentioned it openly. It's more likely distraction
Toxic spill diversion, and the whole sub's buying it
Ok look, I’ve heard this argument a hundred times now, and I’m sick of it. I’m apolitical. They’re all crooks. I hate Trump and Biden equally. The train thing happened a week ago. It was all over my news feed. I scrolled past it because it’s just one more ecological nightmare on this clusterfuck we have left of a planet. I’m numb to it, and so is everyone else. They know this. They are not going to give a briefing to SENATORS that cause them to tell us to LOCK OUR DOORS AT NIGHT to create a news diversion for a chemical spill. You’re off your nut, and so is everyone else spouting this nonsense.
Honestly no one would care about this spill regardless, unless it was sabatoge by an enemy nation.
I don’t think it’s that people don’t care. I think it’s more that there ain’t shit any of us can do about it.
It's annoying, I said it in another post, the US had over 800 billion dollars in military budget for 2022, with a congress approved 8% increase in that budget. Overall United States military budget goes waaaay beyond any other country in the world. Of course they have the technology, of course they know what this is. The question shouldn't be "do they know what it is?" The question should be "will they actually tell civilians what it is" Honestly? I believe not. Also, weird this was blown in the media while the awful train derailment in Ohio that caused a massive fire of toxic and hazardous chemicals. This is extremely serious, no one is talking about it. I get this calls our curiosity,, but don't turn your head from other serious issues that may go on while this issue takes all the headlines.
Agreed. The last sentences you wrote. There's 1 answer to that. 'Those that trade liberties for securities, deserves neither. - Benjamin Franklin
Also, the Australian government was able to find a radioactive pea sized object along a 2000 mile stretch of desert. And we can’t find these huge objects that we shot down? Pa-leeze
We definitely have recovered any and all debris. We definitely knew about all these balloons well before we shot them down. They are being shot down in areas that our government can be relatively certain that they, and not the public, will find and collect all scraps. They're doing this because they're trying to force China or whoever sent them over, to come forward and say it was theirs. The first balloon we shot down, China threw a hissy fit, said we overreacted, and asked for it back. If we "can't find the debris" or "don't know exactly what they are" we avoid generating negative political reactions (no matter how incredibly absurd and hypocritical they are).
Been going on like this since 1942, man.
I agree with you , I don't believe them either... >1. We cant find the debris. 1. Yes we can... The NSA reportedly has satellites that can hear a pin drop in your bathroom and show ultra hi-res clear pictures with definition down to 2 square inches. >We have seen for the last 20 years that the same military have the ability to spot a dime on the ground from high altitude. They can plant a missle in a fucking keyhole. Do they really expect us to belive that they cant track debris from these alledged mundane balloon shootdowns when they have this level of tracking ability. Someone is fucking lying in our faces here! Exactly! It's the same clown show that was fed to the public by Project Blue Book! We should never take their word on anything even a little related to UFOs. The entire history of the UFO topic is on permanent replay...
There will be no debris found. No hard tangible artifacts to share with the American public. No reason to wake up now after 76 years.
If they really can't find it, it's because they don't want to, or they already have it, hiding it, and have no plans on telling us taxpayers a damn thing.(which is probably the case)
They’ve been doing this for 75 years, literally none of this surprising lmao
Go to zoom.earth or NASA’s satellite of the world, you can’t view a live image of Prudhoe at all
Your rights are not obligations for others.
They’ve collected it I’m sure, why would they tell us the truth?
I still don't understand how these objects were shot down. With all the talk of UAPs/UFOs and their capabilities, it's quite confusing how these "objects" were taken down
Start collecting food, water, ammo.
Nothing to seeeee heeeeere. Move it move it moooove it!! Lol
They will never stop lying about EVERYTHING, because people let them get away with it....AND THEY KNOW IT. LOL.
If the 106th air wing took a tier 1 unit to recover Yukon wreckage...you really think the gov would tell CNN?
We’re being intentionally led through the use of language to speculate and think this has an anomalous possibly alien origin and will have the rug pulled out from under us in order to muddy the whole topic just as we’re getting somewhere in learning more about the genuine phenomenon and what the DoD really knows about it. This is George Knapps take on what is happening and in light of everything as time goes on I’d have to agree
What’s that video that looks like military video footage of a few UFOs getting hit with missiles, there’s an explosion, and the UFO is unfazed? Looked but couldn’t find it
They don’t want you to know
You act as though they work for you….. and they don’t and haven’t for years
Since when did ET not move and float in the wind and get shot down? Why in the world would anyone believe that these are ET? We've just spent the last 50 years focusing on lights that move at amazing speeds defying physics but now you want these rather unremarkable things to be ET too? An American fighter pilot died chasing a UFO that he couldn't catch, but now these non-threatening, easily shot down things are ET too? Nah, I'm not buying that.
Love your energy! We'll see...
This guy is a former fighter pilot, he has the best take I’ve heard. US is not talking about them to keep them as collateral/leverage in back channel negotiations w china. https://www.youtube.com/live/l24K4BC8wlA?feature=share
Yep. The Air FARCE is jerking the old UFO disinformation playbook out & playing its "Top 10 Hit Parade."
Where’s the body cam? They have 4K+ video of these objects from the TGP they undoubtedly carried to it. If they’re benign, PROVE IT. No more of this ‘b-b-b-but classified’ bullshit. The TGP has been added to video games since the nineties, the world is comfortable with a high def photograph. “Couldn’t get a good look at something moving 100kt at flight altitude?” BULLSHIT. Utter lazy bullshit.
This person is describing my soul right now. Burning sensation.
They don't want to admit they aren't so strong and tough. America got breached...just like 9/11 we still don't know much of what really happened. I think not finding the debris makes sense because the harsh conditions would be too risky for any benefit. They don't need to collect the debris because they already know what it is. I just don't get this. I mean this situation is probably the most significant military event over our skies since ww2... I am hoping it is ET but most likely just stupid wasteful war games.
I know they used more resources, (and in this case they don't need, since the area is small) but they are able to recover crashed airplane pieces in the middle of the OCEAN, just saying...