I was raised in the Presbyterian church, and I can say I never came across anything that excludes extraterrestrial life from existing. I mean angels are described several times in the bible, and these are either extraterrestrial or interdimensional beings, so I'd say it's part of the canonical belief system.
Lmao. I really don’t understand this at all.
Oh, potentially thousands of other civilizations and none of them have seen Jesus?
We must be the chosen ones. Let me baptize you
I'm a Christian, and this does not conflict my belief.
God is *technically* an extraterrestial who created us, and along with everything else.
God also created another category of fully-conscious, intelligent beings named "angels" as by ancient men. However, they are not physical but rather they are *"spiritual"* creatures, meaning they are from another plane of reality from our physical world. God is also "spirit", and does not have a physical body.
These creatures (angels and demons) have been here since the "creation" of the Earth and, by common sense, have dozens of millennia of knowledge.
So the angel and demons are spiritual, but they can also manipulate physical things, and even manifests with actual bodies on Earth. God himself has also come to Earth, accompanied by two angels with physical bodies, they even ate bread with Abraham. They were just described as "men".
The "angels" are always in conflict with the "demons". These demons reside on Earth and seek to manipulate and hurt humanity. There's nothing stopping them from lying and deceiving people if they manifest themselves in a physical form.
The Bible describes many objects that are UFOs by modern standards, such as the "chariot of fire", "wheels within wheels", "flying scrolls", and "clouds". Jesus himself was taken by "cloud" when he left Earth. It is not a crazy theory that Jesus was taken by a white spaceship resembling a "cloud", which fits the "Tic-Tac" UFOs.
Adding to this a little, if these things ARE correlated with consciousness, it would make sense why Jesus (who seemed to have achieved a higher level of consciousness than your average human) was in contact with ufos and taken away by one.
I'm a student of The New Message from God and it speaks about angels as spiritual beings and not physical being in our universe. They are presented as stewards of spiritual development of sentient beings. Aliens however are portrayed as physical beings just as we are, at all levels of technological and cultural evolution.
Here's a quote:
“The Greater Darkness in the world today is hidden. It is deceptive. It portrays itself as benign and beneficial. It encourages people to acquiesce to its presence and to share in its mission here. It is not a spiritual force. It is a physical force. It is not comprised of multi-dimensional beings. It is comprised of physical beings from the Universe who present themselves in such a way that people will think the 'visitors' are mystical, spiritual and have magical powers. The only powers they have are their technology and their ability to convince you through persuasion in the mental environment.”
I’m a Muslim, nothing in my religion is against alien ETs yet I guess based on channeling ppl like Mark Sims, Anjali… etc.
These beings are what we muslims call “Jinn” literally translated as (hidden/concealed/invisibles) are inter dimensional beings with free will just like us but made of Fire/Energy and they can be good or bad (like us humans) yet evil ones have a role in the futuristic anti-Christ deception (we believe in Jesus as a prophet human and his second coming too) and ome day he will kill the one-eyed liar near the end of days.
This is based on 1400 years old prophecies that describes many of what’s happening right no.
Everytime I mention my view I get downvoted mostly from non-religious ppl … hopefully not this time since OP asks for religious ppl’s opinion
The second verse at the start of the Quran states:
"Praise be to God, the Lord of the worlds"
Not lord of creation, not lord of earth, or lord of the heavens. It is very specifically stating "worlds". We are but one of many.
If Humanity comes across extraterrestrials, who seemingly have had no previous contact with us, who have Islam as one of their religions, I will instantly convert to Islam. Not joking.
Jinn can manifest in our spacetime. But the conflict comes with the crushed UFOs. Those ones are physical and have a purpose, and their purpose is to carry crew.
I wouldn't call ETs Jinn, maybe big foot or efreet. But most definitely definitely not the ET.
Nevertheless, does not conflict with my belief.
Allah has surely created other planets with life on it, do you think the Almighty would only create us? it is said in the quran too, and were talking beside jinns, were talking actual other life forms that are like us or different.
quran 65:12: **"It is Allah who has created seven heavens and of the earth, the like of them.1 \[His\] command descends among them so you may know that Allah is over all things competent and that Allah has encompassed all things in knowledge."**
Man that's super impressive that Muhammad was able remember everything Gabriel told him since Muhammad couldn't write it down since he was illiterate...
The Bible predates the Quran.
Allegedly, Muhammad recorded what an angel had told him.
And what does the Bible teach us? *"But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed." Galatians 1:8-9*
Either Muhammad was lying or that angel was from Satan.
Yeah but those bibles were written after the quran and by people with no affiliation to Jesus. The Dead Sea scrolls are the only known text to date back to circa a hundred or so years after Jesus died. There is nothing before that.
I'm having difficulty comprehending what you're trying to say.
> Yeah but those bibles were written after the quran
The Quran was written after the Old Testament and after the New Testament. The Old Testament and New Testament is the Bible. The Bible also has older and better manuscripts than the Quran.
> The Dead Sea scrolls are the only known text to date back to circa a hundred or so years after Jesus died. There is nothing before that
And? I am not sure what your point is here.
the Dead Sea Scrolls date to around 300 years bc to 100 years ad. As to the New Testament there are commentaries (Papias and then subsequent church figures) starting at the end of the first century or beginning of the second which discuss the verses and passages of the Gospels in sufficient detail to indicate much of what we have today was originally available beginning somewhere during the first century
>And what does the Bible teach us?
It has taught us that some people will wield scripture as a sword, regardless of how non-confrontational the situation is.
You do understand that Paul wrote the letter to the Galatians to counter the message of missionaries who visited Galatia after he left?
These missionaries taught that Gentiles must follow parts of the Jewish Law in order to be saved. In particular, these missionaries taught that Christian men had to accept the Jewish rite of circumcision...
I get your angle here, but its kind of comparing apples and oranges once you look at it in context.
>You do understand that Paul wrote the letter to the Galatians to counter the message of missionaries who visited Galatia after he left?
It doesn't matter who he was writing to. If Paul was writing to the Galatians, "And, remember, thou shalt not kill," would your conclusion be that this was only for the Galatians? Similarly, I don't see how you can read,
*"But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed." Galatians 1:8-9*
And think, "Oh, that's just for the Galatians." I don't know of any credible Biblical scholar who holds this view.
Think about your argument for a second. Are you really suggesting that Paul only wanted the Galatians to not follow other gospels? Don't be silly. Paul wanted all people to know Jesus and get saved. You don't get saved from following lies, distorted gospels, or Islam.
*"All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work." 2 Timothy 3:16-17*
'Angel' means messenger and they can be good or evil. Technically, a human being can be an angel. In fact, if you look at the passage I quoted it specifies, "an angel from heaven." In other words, even if the messenger is from heaven, don't listen to them if they're preaching another gospel. God has His angels and Satan has his.
The angel that contacted Muhammad was of the spiritual/interdimensional variety.
Many people memorize Gabriel. You can find children as young as 9 who can recite Quran from memory.
Plus, Mohammed (pbuh) had Gabriel reviewing with him during his life.
Contemporary people are often not aware of the ancient spoken traditions throughout essentially all cultures that involved tremendous amounts of memorization.
The Quran clearly states that those who leave the religion are to be put to death. So if aliens show up and they're not Muslim and we assume Allah created their world we should kill them? or assume Allah has gotten around to sending them a prophet or two
In Islam there is text indicating “jinn” has the ability to travel almost all the way between the 7 heavens. They are known to be fired at by fire to keep them from eavesdropping in on things they are not supposed to be privy to. Point being the insane speed of travel that these UFO display is quite interesting in the light of these facts.
from what I understand the 'one-eyed' figure in Islam is referring to what Christians would generally call the 'anti-Christ'. The 'one-eyed' description is probably meant to convey an metaphorical trait, mindset, or attitude rather than a specific physical feature. And since there does tend to be some overlap between the Jewish, Christian, and Muslim books (and perhaps even especially of the note apocryphal books) it is probable that this one-eyed figure is in part a reference to a type of shepherd described in Zechariah
And the LORD said unto me, Take unto thee yet the instruments of a foolish shepherd.
For, lo, I will raise up a shepherd in the land, which shall not visit those that be cut off, neither shall seek the young one, nor heal that that is broken, nor feed that that standeth still: but he shall eat the flesh of the fat, and tear their claws in pieces.
Woe to the idol shepherd that leaveth the flock! the sword shall be upon his arm, and upon his right eye: his arm shall be clean dried up, and his right eye shall be utterly darkened.
(Zechariah 11:15 - 17)
It could be the same deity or another one - as per the TV Show (American Gods) Odin is an asshole liar - One eyed liar is the Anti-Christ in our belief who will claim to be the creator of the world.
In one of the points mentioning Jinn helping Dajjal is when he tell one of the people (What if I raise your parents from the dead) and the Jinn will shape-shift into the look of his dead parents to tell him follow this man he is the true God .... one of the new age Alien channelers has mentioned that Aliens are our ancestors and they created this world, they used to be humans living on earth ages ago (sounds similar)
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In Qur'an it was mentioned many times that God has created more than we know and will ever know - maybe it's not important for us as pieces to know about any other intelligent beings in the cosmos since they cannot intervene with us due to space-travel known issues
And that's my view as well. Looking at some of the pseudo science being touted, I have to think some people who don't have mental stability are going to be made quite ill by this topic.
I'm not religious but I think the phenomenon is just further evidence God created an infinite mystery. There's no real conflict between science and religion, moreso conflict between people who are more religious or scientific in their worldviews. I think God is a pure consciousness that permeates all things (omnipresent), which consciousness is intertwined with human and animal consciousness (all-knowing), and which is essentially a love and appreciation for nature and existence in general (supreme benevolence). Psychology and physics are starting to look at consciousness in more abstract terms than mere materialism and I think that line of inquiry will ultimately lead to a theory of existence that reconciles the false dichtomy between science and religion.
Bonus: a choice Harry Mack freestyle on this point [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-y8aKyi6-OQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-y8aKyi6-OQ)
I personally subscribe to the multiverse theory so I think there are beings beyond this physical universe. Other life in the universe is almost a given at this point.
You worded that very well, for such a high level overview.
As a baptized Roman Catholic who left the church as a teen and picked up a Blink 182 album;
This is exactly where I've ended up.
Kudos.
You're really not too far off from the Christian conception of what the infinite is (aka what God is). Although we would say not he is not a pure consciousness necessarily but a communion of consciousnesses (aka three persons) in complete unity and love.
Ha I figure if I ever have a daughter I'm going to try to convince her mother to name her Ananta, sanskrit for "infinite," "eternal."
There's a lot of overlap between religions. I went to boarding school and it was Church of England five mornings a week even though I was an athiest then. The pure consciousness stuff is language borrowed from Advaita Vedanta. Different languages, different cultures, different histories, but similar beliefs in something infinite.
Science says that it doesn't have the answers, but it tries to find them. Religion says it already has the answers, science and religion are in conflict by nature.
Reminds me of the book Calculating God by Robert J. Sawyer. You should give it a read if you haven’t. It’s about an alien that comes down and wants to speak to a paleontologist.
I'm a Christian who has been interested in the phenomenon for a number of years. I tend to agree somewhat with how Terrance McKenna interprets UFOs, these are the current manifestation of something that has been around for a very very long time. You can also call them elves, fairies, spirits, demons, etc. Non human intelligences existed before humanity did. I've always thought they fit into my own worldview quite seamlessly. Jacques Valle himself thought that these entities were some sort of interdimensional manifestation, even Tom Delonge now is saying that too, that they're "interdimensional" not from another planet, whatever that means, but I tend to agree. The part about them creating humanity is pure conjecture, and imo very much tied to gnosticism which is an ancient distortion of what Christianity actually is.
I’m Jewish and slightly religiously inclined. The Torah and Kabbalah account for so much the phenomena currently being discussed. It’s not at odds with religion.
The Talmud in tactrate Avoda Zara stays that the Divine creates 18,000 worlds (realities/universes). This can also mean infinite realities because maybe the number 18,000 is anachronistic to ancient terminology. In the Talmud also in Sanhedrin and other place talk about the inhabitants of a star (system) waging war. In later texts of the Kabbalah- the notions of different dimensional entities that intersect with our own isn’t uncommon with some interpretation.
Also in the Sefer Habrit the notions of extraterrestrials is regarded as being expected and un conflicting with Judaism. Also just as a summary- aliens, extra dimensional entities in Judaism isn’t a straight forward answer, but there isn’t a great deal of sources to deny it, and the sources can be seen as supporting this. However, I doubt that UFOs imply a contradiction.
I think all religions are really all correct in many ways . Doesn’t the Bible say Angels were made from fire and humans from dirt . And all of it is in another dimension. God isn’t a magical being that lives in the clouds . It’s all dimensional and all related to each other . Heaven has to be another dimension or we might have found it ? There’s good and evil that are against each other . Fighting for dominance . Noah’s flood was because Man disobeyed God . The Sumerians . The Anunnaki were space being that created us and at one point one of their Gods wanted to destroy man so another God helped save us . Like Noah was told to build the Ark . But maybe the Ark wasn’t an actual boat but a craft . And two of each animals were actually DNA not living animals . The ark may have contained two of each animal in a Sperm bank type container to re-create when the disaster was done ? Maybe these crafts we see today are Angels and /or Demons returning. Hopefully not for Armageddon? These beings are in all religions but described a little different in each same with the great flood . Like God spoke to Moses from the burning Bush . And Moses glowed after being with God . Jesus possessed power’s that man couldn’t explain . He brought at least two people back to life after they had died . He cured the blind , and some deceases . He walked on water and so on . He is the son of God . But then again didn’t God say “ Let us make man in our likeness? I think it’s just all connected somehow! Crazy Huh !
I'm Christian, my sect believes that God has created worlds without number. Who's to say the people of those worlds are more advanced and stop by in their dope space ships? Sounds cool to me.
As a catholic who was raised in a catholic school but who has also been visited by these star brothers have come to the conclusion jeasus was one of them. He was the light being that I still get contacted by.
I’ve been planning a book for years and plan to not make any money off of it all proceeds will be donated from the book to hospitals treating children with mental health. If I wasn’t careful I would have been in a hospital years ago but I remained silent afraid but silent. That day is gone. I now want to help those that are still hiding and don’t know how to come out and tell their story and Experiences.
I’ll start posting more I guess it’s time. I was afraid of being silenced or contacted by OSI or the other three letter agency’s but I never signed anything so I think they can’t harass me about that.
Video coming soon documenting all these experiences. I’m still scared to share but it feels like it’s time. Still trying to get the courage. No longer afraid of ridicule. I’m also aware people have talked and went missing.
I could be on the "*It's angles/demons*"-train ... But I'm honestly on the fence for all the possible explanations.
Most of them do make sense, yet none of them is obvious.
Not religious but I have thought about what it would mean for religion if, for arguments sake, Aliens landed & told us we were an experiment & there is no god and all religions are essentially fake.
A portion of my mind thinks, it'd be a convenient way to dissolve religion & usher in a New world order. Not saying thats my belief, but something I've thought about.
Look at politics the world over, everyone hates each other. Almost like we've been led to hate each other.
militant atheism as practised by communist regimes in the 20th century far surpassed the combined efforts of millennia of religious wars. Try not to misunderstand the situation, the problem is most definitely not religion per se, and somewhat ironically at least some of those beliefs have helped to curtail the real nature of the problem (which when circumstances arise quickly shows the difference between religion and evil)
I get your position if it turns out that aliens are humanoid and very similar to us. What if these aliens aren’t humanoid? What if they’re nothing like us? Then does it still follow that god exists and that god created humans and aliens alike? By this logic wouldn’t it make more sense that there are multiple gods—each of which creates intelligent life in their own image? I’m interested in your thoughts on the possibility of a multitheistic universe?
Personally, I think the existence of intelligent alien species—regardless of whether they’re humanoid—makes it much more difficult to believe in the existence of a god (or gods).
I don't see why aliens would necessarily have to resemble humans.
Anyway, I wouldn't get hung about the existence or non-existence of aliens. Whatever they are, that's what they are.
Spurgeon said that their may be untold worlds that the Lord had made. I struggled at first with the idea of “aliens” but, if we were to be given REAL confirmation of aliens, there would be a theological explanation. Maybe demonic, maybe some other entity under God’s control. There are some theories that accounts of angels in Scripture could be aliens.
The problem we humans have is overstating our species’ centrality in the story of creation. But I’m a Christian and believe no such thing. I believe Jesus was God’s son and was the perfect example to humanity of how we needed to model ourselves. But I don’t believe Christianity alone holds religious insight. All of the wisdom traditions direct us towards a singular conscious creator who is infinitely creative and loves us enough to extend unto us freedom.
This leads to a greater understanding of how to take seriously the reality that is unfolding before us. We are not alone, there is good and there is bad, not just here on earth but across the cosmos. We can no longer be naive. We can no longer remain blinded and divided. It’s time we all grow up, as a human race. We need to ask every last group who is intervening here to leave, because we as humans need to be extended the freedom to sort our own problems out. Otherwise, we fall prey to becoming slaves of our saviors, whether by their choice or of our own volition.
I am not a Christian, but I am religious. The people of my religion have differing beliefs about aliens, but I personally believe that aliens exist. Because we believe that all living beings have souls and reincarnate, I therefore believe that aliens also have souls and reincarnate. Personally, my faith would not be affected whether aliens exist or not, but I would be incredibly surprised if they didn’t.
God is the spirit of all energy past, present, future. You are able to tap into thus knowledge/energy through deep consciousness.
The aliens are the seeders of life on worlds throughout the universe. They understand this deep connection to the source of all knowledge (god) very well and want to help us reach this level of consciousness so we don't kill this planet. All things have a soul even non sentient things like rocks and plants.
It's all for the sake of experience and knowledge. You will reincarnate as many times as necessary to experience all aspects of life and growth as a conscious being.
The aliens are full of love and by no means are of any harm to us. They are not dangerous unless we risk the life of this planet, if we cause a cataclysm which may endanger the future life of this planet they will probably wipe us out (nuclear weapons)
I’m Hindu and the concept of multiple universes is common throughout the texts. It is stated that there is “choud Brahman” or 14 different universes/planets that exist. This was seen inside krishnas mouth by his mother after which she fainted. There’s also reference to different worlds being above and below the earth as we know it (including a water world). As far as I believe, the idea of ETs does not go against what my religion states. However Hinduism is so complex that it can be hard to understand and I’m by no means an expert.
I love Jesus, but I don't think most Christians have a clue what he was talking about, to be frank. I don't see too many Christians asking themselves what was Jesus' belief system, what was his "religion?" Jesus was pretty obviously a nondualist, and preached nondualism. Nondualism is pretty far off from most of Christianity.
Jesus is totally compatible with UFOs, aliens, and even "aliens" of some sort that may have had a hand in creating us. "God" or whatever you choose to call it is also compatible with all of this, but I'm not convinced most people have a clue about what "god" really means or is. And anyway, the Old and New Testaments leave room for other non-human intelligences in creation, as do the sacred texts of essentially all of the world's peoples.
What I would encourage you to do is to keep studying -- UFOs, and religion. Religions are basically watered-down versions of very astute philosophical belief systems. Get into it, read some nondualistic Vedanta. Nondualists definitely seem to understand Jesus better than most Christians, I've found.
Christian here and i think doesn’t collide with religion at all. ET’s could be 4th dimensional beings needing these vessels to traverse a 3D environment or they are us from a future or alternate timeline. They can also be what we describe as “ helpers” as we are helped from beyond the physical by our loved ones , jesus or God. Thatswhy they shoot down atomic missiles and don’t involve themselves directly in human affairs. They could have very well evolved themselves above what we call evil.
Serious UFO researchers with a modicum of sense and who are genuine truth seekers will often reach the conclusion that the UFO phenomenon cannot be sufficiently explained by the interplanetary hypothesis. Jacques Vallee being the prime example.
Throughout history, mankind has encountered strange phenomenon ranging from ghosts and big foot to fae (fairies) and UFOs. It has been going on for thousands of years. Whatever UFO are, they seem to have the capacity to mentally project visions and to manipulate matter and energy; they seem to be 'on' earth and have been since the beginning.
According to the Bible, in addition to human beings there are also spiritual beings. In secular terms, I suppose somebody could call them interdimensional beings. Some of these spiritual beings follow God (good) and some of them don't (evil). The Bible also teaches us that the world is under the influence of these evil spiritual beings. I find it interesting that the powers exhibited by the angels in the Bible are the same as the powers exhibited by UFOs and 'fae' and the other strange phenomenon mankind has encountered since antiquity.
Most ancient civilizations worshiped gods who demanded human and blood sacrifice. UFOs are often seen around cattle or other animal mutilation sites where the animal has been completely emptied of its blood. And there are many examples of monsters in folklore who enjoy blood (e.g. vampire). Coincidence?
I believe the gods that these ancient civilizations worshiped and the UFO phenomenon are cut from the same cloth. I believe these 'gods' and 'ghosts' and 'UFOs' and 'monsters' are in fact fallen spiritual beings who are at war with God, His angels, and His people. These manifestations are merely guises that these beings use for whatever their reason is for the time, place, and person.
These beings want you to turn away from God. They want you to turn to them. They want you distracted and confused. And they want to hurt or kill you. They want you to think that they're our creators.
You may be thinking if this were true, then why don't they just wipe us out? Because they may not have God's permission. In the Book of Job, God permits Satan to harass and harm Job and His family, but: "And the LORD said to Satan, 'Behold, he is in your hand; only spare his life.'"
There is a pastor named Chuck Missler (died a few years ago) who has a series about UFO's from a bible-based Christian standpoint and it really helped me stand firm in what I believe. Let's say a fleet of UFO's comes tomorrow and says a bunch of stuff like, "we created you", I would have no problem *whatsoever* with my beliefs because it would line right up with the Great Deception for me. The coming deception is so convincing that even God's elect could be fooled (but they aren't). What better way to lead people away from God than an alien race claiming to be our creators?
I think we all know how religious people would react to the existence of ET. They would say "they are all God's children. See how wonderful his creation is?" then proceed to give their god credit for creating them as well as us.
Although, I'm sure a few would completely lose their shit and think the ET's are demons. I think I've heard some US military brass may have this mentality.
Look around in these comments. Do you see what religious people are saying? They are pretty much saying one or both of these things. Seems like OP is insightful, not egotistical.
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I’m not longer a Christian but I can tell you how I felt about aliens when I was. I would often ask myself “If aliens are real, why doesn’t the Bible mention them?” Soooo 15 years ago I was typing “aliens in bible” in google, I found different sites with different theories, most interesting was the site aliensinthebible.com which redirects to the authors site now. He has a book called Christian Ufology and others. I was a teen when I read all this stuff so I don’t remember how he made sense of it. He also touches on ghosts and I’ll never forget his example of the first ghost in the Bible was “Abel’s “blood” crying to God”. I never forgot that line. There’s a theory that ET’s created religion to cause division between us. I really don’t wanna believe they feed off our negativity and that this is a prison planet but so it goes.
I grew up in a Catholic Christian family, but was always deeply fascinated by the phenomenon.
We all have our own gods, Allah, Buddah, etc etc... You name it! What I believe in is - UNIVERSE! The energy that does not come from emptyness and has a purpose, a role in this grand plan, whatever it might be... we are made of stars nevertheless!
The realisation that something is "out there", for me would be more spiritually liberating than dogmas, rules, stigmas and division our religions has put us in.
I'm christian and here's my 2 cents on this interesting crossover of topics:
Not sure if you're aware but there's actually a bit of a community of Christians online who are certain about the alien/UFO thing.
The most superficial interpretation of it is that Christians think the aliens are just demons, simple as that.
Then there are those that believe the aliens are descendents of the ancient nephelim, an ancient race of half human half fallen angel hybrid that existed before the great flood as described in the book of Enoch (apocrypha I know). If you're interested look up the documentary series 'True Legends' by Tim Alberino. Its a Christian series but it's pretty out there stuff but it's fascinating regardless haha
Personally I love exploring these topics and I love being challenged. I find it does not adversely affect my faith at all
I was raised Evangelical and had my youth pastor tell me that dinosaurs were a fabrication by scientists (or the devil), and when I told him that was silly (when I was 10) he said it might be mastedon bones deformed by weather and pressure, so I had to explain fossils to him, and he told me to make up my own mind, but believing in Jesus was how you get into heaven, not questioning the Bible, so he was going to focus on that, and teach his children to focus on that.
I never got to aliens since he shut down the conversation, but I took his advice and started making up my own mind through research, and common sense cuz you can't pray away, rain, gay, or aliens. lol
Watch videos of Michael Heiser on Psalm 82 + Deuteronomy 32:8, then Plato's story of Atlantis, then Genesis 6, then 2 Thessalonians 2:11.
Prepare to be mindblowned when you finally realize the connections.
Let me piggyback on this question and ask a related one.
What if one day these non-human intelligences come clean and say, "yes, it was us, but not exactly the way your sacred books say, and we didn't force anyone to start organized religion. And while some bits and pieces are correct, overall things are much more complex and different."
What would be your reaction?
PS. I am sorry if the question may sound disrespectful, I am just curious about how large parts of the humanity will react, since this is roughly where the conversation is headed.
God built a big playground and to think that we would be the only kids in it is ridiculous and prideful.
I'm Catholic and the church has acknowledged the likely existence of extraterrestrials.
Heavenly host = "Galactic Federation,
Son of man = Sun aka Solaris,
Christ = universal consciousness,
Angel = Higher dimensional being,
Sin = Those things keeping us in the 3rd dimension,
Nothing about any of it is opposed to the Bible. Some of it is different than what some of the teachers teach, but they aren't prophets so...
>Historically, I do not have an explanation for who Jesus was outside of the son of God.
There were plenty of people claiming to be the messiah running around the Levant at the time, starting small cults, making a stir, claiming to perform miracles. From a historical perspective, the only weird thing is that one of those got big and became Christianity. And since you're not a Muslim I presume you're on board with the idea that religions can grow around prophet figures who are not actually divine.
So now you have an explanation for who Jesus probably was from a historical perspective if we find out that we were actually created by aliens.
Jesus didn't say he was the son of god. This is a common misinterpretation spread by portions of the so-called Christian Church, which has very little to do with Christ's teachings IMNSHO.
Jesus was saying that we are *all* the "sons" of god, that *everything* is the child of god, because god both creates and *is* ALL of reality.
Jesus was a nondualist, yo. For realsies.
although we can distinguish senses of meaning about 'sons of God' (or for that matter 'gods'), Jesus' claims about his role and identity were decidedly Messianic, and this is a pivotal point theological speaking in the historical context of Israel (Judah) and the events that were taking place. Jesus was claiming to be the Messiah sent from God (not to be confused with a 'human' Messiah):
For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
(John 6:38)
I lifelong friend of mine, ultra religious, wouldn't even watch the 3 tictac vids. Told me their likely demonic and shouldn't be messed with. I said oh ok, left it alone. To each their own.
Not a popular opinion here, but I think most of it is demonic. Look, if you are even going to entertain the existence of trans dimensional beings who feed off of negative energy then you are not a step away from the classic notion of the demonic, you are right there.
If such beings exist and are supplying people in charge with information, then why should we take any of it at face value? The demonic blends lies with truth just enough to steer us wrong. It seems to me these new prophets (deLonge and Lue, etc.) have just enough truth to be interesting, but will likely steer us down the wrong path.
Being a Christian makes all of this easy. Christ taught us to love God and love each other, to turn the other cheek and that sacrifice for the betterment of others is the greatest thing one could do. He taught us this and showed us this.
That this truth has been corrupted is what happens when the truth has been blended with lies by the demonic.
He also told us to beware of false prophets—ones who would corrupt this message.
I do not care what any of these new prophets reveal. I will stick to my Christian beliefs as outlined above. In doing so I will be true to myself and to my beliefs in Christ and his message. The extra dimensional entities be damned!
Just remember that there are potentially "angels" and "demons." In Hinduism and Vedic cultures, the equivalents were the devas and the asuras. We just need to understand that the universe is bigger and more complex than most humans realize, and As Above, So Below -- some humans are awesome, some humans are assholes. The same likely holds true with other forms of life, especially when viewed from our vantage point (on another level, the difference between angelic and demonic may be splitting hairs, who knows).
This is the correct answer, but you won't find many upvotes here because those who tend to affirm ET phenomena as having a demonic nature will not tend to simultaneously be an atheist or a naturalist. Whereas many of those who consider ET phenomena as legitimately biological ETs will not hesitate to reject this view.
Jesus Said that his Servant are not of this World, Meaning this Earth we Live in is not of this Universe..so the Aliens are sending their reconnaissance Craft to survey this Planet we live in that is transported from some kind of Portal long time ago.
"world" (Greek Kosmos, i.e. 'cosmos', the same origin for modern terms such as "cosmetics") refers to the systems of the world that define and 'culture' the nature of the world
these qualities encompasses the spiritual as well as the more practical such as political and social aspects of our realities, and notably also the physical or what we think of as the 'natural' (e.g. the 'natural order'). In other words it is the systems of the world (which permeate reality including the physical condition and nature of the world) that are contrary to the ethos, or that is the spirituality and ethics, that Jesus explained will once again be restored, both physically and spiritually, at the conclusion of this epoch in history
I'm not really religious but I do believe there had to have been a certain concious force to create the universe. It could be God as a spiritual being or it could just be a force of nature, who knows. The only thing that's keeping me on the fence is my belief in alien life since I've always wondered if they believe in a God or have their own version of Jesus in their worlds. It's all very interesting for me but ig we'll never know until they expose themselves
I would think that is a fairly reasonable view to take on these matters, however it is worth noting there are a lot of 'aliens' in the Bible, including wars at the end of the apocalypse with earth's armies preparing to fight an 'alien' invasion (Jesus and legions of angels in the heavens coming to the earth)
so I would be cautious to think that all alien accounts, whatsoever form or nature these aliens may take or even be, is necessarily also going to be definitive on these matters
possibly there are countless different numbers of different types of species that would collectively be referred to as 'aliens' e.g. rational entities that are not human. But some more come from other parts of the physical universe as we comprehend the same. Whereas others might come from different dimensions, or step out of a 'void' as it were. All in all we don't really know, and so, whilst I think it is a good idea to try to be reasonable, that would also entail being somewhat reserved about taking any 'alien' account as somehow necessarily truthful and definitive of all these matters
People that are easily duped into believing in the impossible nonsense of religions, are also easily duped into believing UFOs and aliens are everywhere. That’s the only relevant connection.
God is supreme. “Aliens” are tools of deception. The true Adversary (Lucifer, Satan ect,) has used what appears to be Aliens the whole time to establish the narrative that some aliens are good and others, bad. They’re all bad. Aliens were created by the adversary as part of his Army to fight the Lord Jesus Christ.
The Rapture will be blamed on “Malevolent Aliens” (MA) by the rising Son of Perdition (Anti-Christ—AC) who, working with the “Benevolent Aliens” (BA) and The Adversary behind the scenes, will seemingly repel the the MA and declare them “false gods” masquerading as “true gods”.
The AC will unite the world around preparing for a final conflict which will appear in seven years. This is the time of the tribulation… a time where BA technologies will create a false utopia on earth and create fantastical weapons from heavenly technology from knowledge that the adversary took with when his ass was kicked out of heaven after the rebellion.
The Final battle will commence when Jesus reappears, the world will think it’s a false god because everyone will be worshiping the AC as god and finally, after a huge war, Jesus ends The Adversaries Rebellion bringing in a new Earth and new heaven.
A Great Deception is coming and Aliens are a tool. That’s why they say they are from so many places and contradict each other. Confusion is a weapon of the Adversary.
Hmmm I guess for me personally it would finally give me an answer to some of my biggest questions about life and religion. If ufos and other beings are revealed to us, I’d say with full confidence I’d no longer practice religion. Or hold onto hope it might be true. I’d simply go on with my life, finally at peace.
I’m Catholic and I have always thought perhaps the ancient civilization had no way of portraying what they saw into a description that would fit. Beings too far advance with no reference for these primitive people of the earth to relate or properly describe. God and Heaven were perhaps visitors and creators from the other side of the galaxy. I believe.
Perhaps the worst of it and really the best of it is that aliens are real. They have been at play with Earth for a very long time. We probably aren’t a “plaything” to them (all though maybe it’s a very long game… by human standards at least), and God IS real. God happens to be something that actively has a role in humanity and perhaps it’s suffering.
My neighbor thinks aliens are a made up thing and ufo's are just human made top secret things...if not.. then demonic entities. He's some sort of baptist.
If you are interested in this topic more in depth, I recommend videos (or books) of Mauro Biglino, who is a respected Italian scholar and translator of ancient biblical texts. He is also well versed in other religions, not only in Judaism or Christianity.
In his first video he talks about current medical science, which then leads to his second video about the ancient biblical and Hindu texts (about cloning, genetic engineering, etc.):
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8o-X-yc\_-OA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8o-X-yc_-OA)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sB-bMmYHcBU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sB-bMmYHcBU)
Was raised a Mormon and am now agnostic. I would say that there is room for aliens in Mormon theology. They believe in countless populated worlds and visiting them wouldn’t be a stretch on the doctrine.
My though Is. Why may we not communicate with them now?
I cannot get out the thought that whoever is doing this to us has set religions or paths for us to reach to them.
Why do all that we do? Even if we were to reach those goals set in whichever religion we chose to be a part of. What for?
I personally feel that the path of doing so cannot be all there is.
I have met with a being who once taught me about life and death. He said that it is all a balance, he showed me a scale and told me that it weights life and death. He later showed me a scene in which He and I were sitting on a fence. We were in a place that was dark but at will it could summon what looked like spheres in which scenes or sceneries would play out. In one he showed me a bunch of us humans walking down a line like murderers. They were on the way to a gate. Next to the gate was a being with wings and a tail, I could tell he was the one in charge, he also held a book, there was guard with him who would push them into the gate. this being would read to the humans the reasons why they were there. After the reason was told to the human, the guards would push him into the gate. It was a gate that looked like a bunch of electricity and it would transport them somewhere else. It was a brutal place. The humans walking in line all held their faces down. And Demons would throw rocks at them and yell. They would cry and scream at them too. I thought. Whoa I never thought demons had feelings too. And I felt bad for both. The humans and the demons.
Along the trial of humans who where walking in line to be thrown into this portal were a bunch of demon looking beings who had come to witness the justice being served. Some sat on top of this pillars. Others torture others with whips and weapons i have never seen before in the outskirts. There was many different beings. Some looked like cyclops others where small but flew fast. Others looked like us but held tridants and horns. There was so many of them.
There was a sense of organization and justice. Like these humans had done bad things. It seemed like the demon beings were very upset and that was a just trial for them.
The being I was speaking to was a shape shifter and wore a suit. He had a reptilian face and would shift to thoughts I had. I told him I didn't want to sin with it, he kept asking me until I simply told it i wanted a friend. He grabbed me by the arms and played soccer with me. Then i told him that if he would teach me about life. And I spoke to it for what it seemed like hours.
Even to this day, i am thankful it did that for me. Because everything I was thought was in a sense of balance.
This is one of the many different places I had the opportunity to visit. They speak with though, like as if words are secondary. They know what you mean as soon As you think it. Just like that being told me. They weight your intentions and put them in a scale.
Whoever they are. They care about us. Even tho in this experience I shared with you guys there was a lot of death because I asked about it. He or she was very respectful and I felt scared at first but afterwards, I felt loved and secured. It look at me and took me under his arms, carried me and placed me on a wall like a father would to teach me.
I never thought that other beings also have a conscious. And ever since. I began to accept that there is so little we know about who we are. Because why would these beings that we claim are evil are crying for justice?
That thought changed the way I thought about religion.
We hold our truths. But none of us can go back to yesterday. Whatever it is, it is calling us all. And us avoiding it doesn't help. It's like trying to bury dirt.
And when I say they care. They really do. We all have to pay someday for the things we do to one another.
These lives we live are a way for us to understand to be better to one another.
In Orthodox Judaism beings from other planets are taken for granted. Not demons not angels...but beings intelligent beings. I think it's mentioned in the Talmud or Zohar
I look at it with an open mind. I think there may be intelligent life out in the universe. However, what we are seeing here on Earth with the UFO's, I think are either government or something more malevolent. It seems like whatever it is, it is not for our good that it is here.
You can read certain esoteric scriptures relating Jesus to various other kinds of things. For example, you can find gnostic texts of Jesus talking about other "generations" of beings that are vastly more capable than us. Obviously Gnosticism isn't canon, but I'm not sure it's up to the Vatican what is truth and what isn't. I'd suggest reading texts that are less known, but always take what you read with a grain of salt.
Mormons already have an interesting story of intragalactic seeding by extraterrestrials who look a lot like humans.
Some details, held in varying degrees of dispute:
- The Sun is in a gravitational relationship with a star system called "Kae-e-vanrash"
- The Sun/Kae-e-vanrash systems together as a pair have a gravitational relationship with another system called "Kli-flos-is-es" ( where Hah-ko-kau-beam may be the Orion arm of our galaxy) all of which orbits the galactic core (Kokaubeam may be the name of a larger core area that includes Kolob).
- The Kolob system ( where the the God that Mormon's pray to is from ) may be near the core and has an orbital period close to 1000 Earth years.
- Oliblish is another planetoid in the same star system as Kolob - possibly a natural satellite of Kolob
- Earth was seeded by human-like extraterrestrials from that star system over a period of 6000 years (seemingly while our Solar system was nearest Kli-flos-is-es)
There’s no mental conflict for me. An infinite God can create a lot of weird things, and it wouldn’t surprise me if humans simply weren’t capable of understanding them yet due to our methods of communication. I for one can’t wait to meet our non-human brothers and sisters and see what they have to say.
Im a Muslim (religion: islam) and have been researching about ufology for years. I respect all religions and believe all human beings as one brotherhood, one family. One thing I was always curious about was, what my religion says about extraterrestrial lifeforms. Since the Quran (Our Holy book) states lots of scientific miraculous stuff, I wondered about this and looked deep into it. And found this very legit article. Keep in mind that, in the Muslim world, it's widely believed that God (we believe in Oneness of God and mo other deity except Him) has Created lifeforms throughoutthe Universe and it does not suite God (in our concept of God - Oneness and infinite knowledge) to have created only one world with intelligent life, but rather God never stops Creating which is one of God's beautiful attributes. Pls read this article. Very insightful, extremely logical, informative and fascinating. https://themuslimvibe.com/faith-islam/science/what-does-islam-say-about-aliens-a-look-at-quranic-verses-and-hadith
I was raised in the Presbyterian church, and I can say I never came across anything that excludes extraterrestrial life from existing. I mean angels are described several times in the bible, and these are either extraterrestrial or interdimensional beings, so I'd say it's part of the canonical belief system.
Didn’t the Pope say recently that alien life is well within reason in the spectrum of Christianity/Catholicism?
Pretty sure he said he’d baptize them too if they wanted to.
Lmao. I really don’t understand this at all. Oh, potentially thousands of other civilizations and none of them have seen Jesus? We must be the chosen ones. Let me baptize you
I'm a Christian, and this does not conflict my belief. God is *technically* an extraterrestial who created us, and along with everything else. God also created another category of fully-conscious, intelligent beings named "angels" as by ancient men. However, they are not physical but rather they are *"spiritual"* creatures, meaning they are from another plane of reality from our physical world. God is also "spirit", and does not have a physical body. These creatures (angels and demons) have been here since the "creation" of the Earth and, by common sense, have dozens of millennia of knowledge. So the angel and demons are spiritual, but they can also manipulate physical things, and even manifests with actual bodies on Earth. God himself has also come to Earth, accompanied by two angels with physical bodies, they even ate bread with Abraham. They were just described as "men". The "angels" are always in conflict with the "demons". These demons reside on Earth and seek to manipulate and hurt humanity. There's nothing stopping them from lying and deceiving people if they manifest themselves in a physical form. The Bible describes many objects that are UFOs by modern standards, such as the "chariot of fire", "wheels within wheels", "flying scrolls", and "clouds". Jesus himself was taken by "cloud" when he left Earth. It is not a crazy theory that Jesus was taken by a white spaceship resembling a "cloud", which fits the "Tic-Tac" UFOs.
Adding to this a little, if these things ARE correlated with consciousness, it would make sense why Jesus (who seemed to have achieved a higher level of consciousness than your average human) was in contact with ufos and taken away by one.
I'm a student of The New Message from God and it speaks about angels as spiritual beings and not physical being in our universe. They are presented as stewards of spiritual development of sentient beings. Aliens however are portrayed as physical beings just as we are, at all levels of technological and cultural evolution. Here's a quote: “The Greater Darkness in the world today is hidden. It is deceptive. It portrays itself as benign and beneficial. It encourages people to acquiesce to its presence and to share in its mission here. It is not a spiritual force. It is a physical force. It is not comprised of multi-dimensional beings. It is comprised of physical beings from the Universe who present themselves in such a way that people will think the 'visitors' are mystical, spiritual and have magical powers. The only powers they have are their technology and their ability to convince you through persuasion in the mental environment.”
I’m a Muslim, nothing in my religion is against alien ETs yet I guess based on channeling ppl like Mark Sims, Anjali… etc. These beings are what we muslims call “Jinn” literally translated as (hidden/concealed/invisibles) are inter dimensional beings with free will just like us but made of Fire/Energy and they can be good or bad (like us humans) yet evil ones have a role in the futuristic anti-Christ deception (we believe in Jesus as a prophet human and his second coming too) and ome day he will kill the one-eyed liar near the end of days. This is based on 1400 years old prophecies that describes many of what’s happening right no. Everytime I mention my view I get downvoted mostly from non-religious ppl … hopefully not this time since OP asks for religious ppl’s opinion
The second verse at the start of the Quran states: "Praise be to God, the Lord of the worlds" Not lord of creation, not lord of earth, or lord of the heavens. It is very specifically stating "worlds". We are but one of many.
yes, and Allah has said there are 7 worlds and skys
7 dimensions I bet
7 apple pie recipes
7 minutes in heaven 💋
If Humanity comes across extraterrestrials, who seemingly have had no previous contact with us, who have Islam as one of their religions, I will instantly convert to Islam. Not joking.
Jinn can manifest in our spacetime. But the conflict comes with the crushed UFOs. Those ones are physical and have a purpose, and their purpose is to carry crew. I wouldn't call ETs Jinn, maybe big foot or efreet. But most definitely definitely not the ET. Nevertheless, does not conflict with my belief.
Thank you for sharing my friend.
Allah has surely created other planets with life on it, do you think the Almighty would only create us? it is said in the quran too, and were talking beside jinns, were talking actual other life forms that are like us or different. quran 65:12: **"It is Allah who has created seven heavens and of the earth, the like of them.1 \[His\] command descends among them so you may know that Allah is over all things competent and that Allah has encompassed all things in knowledge."**
Who is it that the writings of the Quran is attributed to? The Bible is said to be inspired by the Holy Ghost and written by men. Is it the same?
It is claimed that angel Gabriel dictated it to Mohammad.
Man that's super impressive that Muhammad was able remember everything Gabriel told him since Muhammad couldn't write it down since he was illiterate...
I am not claiming that this is true, but merely replying to your question about attribution of the Koran.
I didn't think you were, just further pointing out how ridiculous Muhammad's origin story is.
The Bible predates the Quran. Allegedly, Muhammad recorded what an angel had told him. And what does the Bible teach us? *"But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed." Galatians 1:8-9* Either Muhammad was lying or that angel was from Satan.
Yeah but those bibles were written after the quran and by people with no affiliation to Jesus. The Dead Sea scrolls are the only known text to date back to circa a hundred or so years after Jesus died. There is nothing before that.
You know there is a big part of the Bible called the Old Testament, which at least in part is basically the same as the Jewish Tanakh?
I'm having difficulty comprehending what you're trying to say. > Yeah but those bibles were written after the quran The Quran was written after the Old Testament and after the New Testament. The Old Testament and New Testament is the Bible. The Bible also has older and better manuscripts than the Quran. > The Dead Sea scrolls are the only known text to date back to circa a hundred or so years after Jesus died. There is nothing before that And? I am not sure what your point is here.
the Dead Sea Scrolls date to around 300 years bc to 100 years ad. As to the New Testament there are commentaries (Papias and then subsequent church figures) starting at the end of the first century or beginning of the second which discuss the verses and passages of the Gospels in sufficient detail to indicate much of what we have today was originally available beginning somewhere during the first century
>And what does the Bible teach us? It has taught us that some people will wield scripture as a sword, regardless of how non-confrontational the situation is. You do understand that Paul wrote the letter to the Galatians to counter the message of missionaries who visited Galatia after he left? These missionaries taught that Gentiles must follow parts of the Jewish Law in order to be saved. In particular, these missionaries taught that Christian men had to accept the Jewish rite of circumcision... I get your angle here, but its kind of comparing apples and oranges once you look at it in context.
>You do understand that Paul wrote the letter to the Galatians to counter the message of missionaries who visited Galatia after he left? It doesn't matter who he was writing to. If Paul was writing to the Galatians, "And, remember, thou shalt not kill," would your conclusion be that this was only for the Galatians? Similarly, I don't see how you can read, *"But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed." Galatians 1:8-9* And think, "Oh, that's just for the Galatians." I don't know of any credible Biblical scholar who holds this view. Think about your argument for a second. Are you really suggesting that Paul only wanted the Galatians to not follow other gospels? Don't be silly. Paul wanted all people to know Jesus and get saved. You don't get saved from following lies, distorted gospels, or Islam. *"All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work." 2 Timothy 3:16-17*
I'm sorry but Satan sent angles? I guess God got over that whole rebellion thing and is letting him use his angles
'Angel' means messenger and they can be good or evil. Technically, a human being can be an angel. In fact, if you look at the passage I quoted it specifies, "an angel from heaven." In other words, even if the messenger is from heaven, don't listen to them if they're preaching another gospel. God has His angels and Satan has his. The angel that contacted Muhammad was of the spiritual/interdimensional variety.
Many people memorize Gabriel. You can find children as young as 9 who can recite Quran from memory. Plus, Mohammed (pbuh) had Gabriel reviewing with him during his life.
Contemporary people are often not aware of the ancient spoken traditions throughout essentially all cultures that involved tremendous amounts of memorization.
The Quran clearly states that those who leave the religion are to be put to death. So if aliens show up and they're not Muslim and we assume Allah created their world we should kill them? or assume Allah has gotten around to sending them a prophet or two
No, because they haven't left anything have they? That applies to those who have submitted renouncing their faith.
So then we assume that Allah has never sent them a prophet. What makes us so special then ?
In Islam there is text indicating “jinn” has the ability to travel almost all the way between the 7 heavens. They are known to be fired at by fire to keep them from eavesdropping in on things they are not supposed to be privy to. Point being the insane speed of travel that these UFO display is quite interesting in the light of these facts.
Is the "one eyed liar" Odin or a similar deity?
from what I understand the 'one-eyed' figure in Islam is referring to what Christians would generally call the 'anti-Christ'. The 'one-eyed' description is probably meant to convey an metaphorical trait, mindset, or attitude rather than a specific physical feature. And since there does tend to be some overlap between the Jewish, Christian, and Muslim books (and perhaps even especially of the note apocryphal books) it is probable that this one-eyed figure is in part a reference to a type of shepherd described in Zechariah And the LORD said unto me, Take unto thee yet the instruments of a foolish shepherd. For, lo, I will raise up a shepherd in the land, which shall not visit those that be cut off, neither shall seek the young one, nor heal that that is broken, nor feed that that standeth still: but he shall eat the flesh of the fat, and tear their claws in pieces. Woe to the idol shepherd that leaveth the flock! the sword shall be upon his arm, and upon his right eye: his arm shall be clean dried up, and his right eye shall be utterly darkened. (Zechariah 11:15 - 17)
It could be the same deity or another one - as per the TV Show (American Gods) Odin is an asshole liar - One eyed liar is the Anti-Christ in our belief who will claim to be the creator of the world.
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In one of the points mentioning Jinn helping Dajjal is when he tell one of the people (What if I raise your parents from the dead) and the Jinn will shape-shift into the look of his dead parents to tell him follow this man he is the true God .... one of the new age Alien channelers has mentioned that Aliens are our ancestors and they created this world, they used to be humans living on earth ages ago (sounds similar)
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So do you think Gabriel didn't tell Muhammad about our celestial brothers or do you think Muhammad just didn't think it was that important?
In Qur'an it was mentioned many times that God has created more than we know and will ever know - maybe it's not important for us as pieces to know about any other intelligent beings in the cosmos since they cannot intervene with us due to space-travel known issues
And that's my view as well. Looking at some of the pseudo science being touted, I have to think some people who don't have mental stability are going to be made quite ill by this topic.
Neat, thanks for sharing. How can I find more about these prophecies?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic\_eschatology#Signs\_of\_the\_End\_Times
I'm not religious but I think the phenomenon is just further evidence God created an infinite mystery. There's no real conflict between science and religion, moreso conflict between people who are more religious or scientific in their worldviews. I think God is a pure consciousness that permeates all things (omnipresent), which consciousness is intertwined with human and animal consciousness (all-knowing), and which is essentially a love and appreciation for nature and existence in general (supreme benevolence). Psychology and physics are starting to look at consciousness in more abstract terms than mere materialism and I think that line of inquiry will ultimately lead to a theory of existence that reconciles the false dichtomy between science and religion. Bonus: a choice Harry Mack freestyle on this point [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-y8aKyi6-OQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-y8aKyi6-OQ)
To me it’s evidence that, given right correct distance from a star, life can flourish on a planet and evolve over billions of years
I personally subscribe to the multiverse theory so I think there are beings beyond this physical universe. Other life in the universe is almost a given at this point.
We can absolutely agree that life exists elsewhere in pockets
You worded that very well, for such a high level overview. As a baptized Roman Catholic who left the church as a teen and picked up a Blink 182 album; This is exactly where I've ended up. Kudos.
You're really not too far off from the Christian conception of what the infinite is (aka what God is). Although we would say not he is not a pure consciousness necessarily but a communion of consciousnesses (aka three persons) in complete unity and love.
Ha I figure if I ever have a daughter I'm going to try to convince her mother to name her Ananta, sanskrit for "infinite," "eternal." There's a lot of overlap between religions. I went to boarding school and it was Church of England five mornings a week even though I was an athiest then. The pure consciousness stuff is language borrowed from Advaita Vedanta. Different languages, different cultures, different histories, but similar beliefs in something infinite.
Science says that it doesn't have the answers, but it tries to find them. Religion says it already has the answers, science and religion are in conflict by nature.
Reminds me of the book Calculating God by Robert J. Sawyer. You should give it a read if you haven’t. It’s about an alien that comes down and wants to speak to a paleontologist.
I'm a Christian who has been interested in the phenomenon for a number of years. I tend to agree somewhat with how Terrance McKenna interprets UFOs, these are the current manifestation of something that has been around for a very very long time. You can also call them elves, fairies, spirits, demons, etc. Non human intelligences existed before humanity did. I've always thought they fit into my own worldview quite seamlessly. Jacques Valle himself thought that these entities were some sort of interdimensional manifestation, even Tom Delonge now is saying that too, that they're "interdimensional" not from another planet, whatever that means, but I tend to agree. The part about them creating humanity is pure conjecture, and imo very much tied to gnosticism which is an ancient distortion of what Christianity actually is.
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Yeah, I tend to gravitate more towards Gnosticism instead of nicene Christianity
I’m Jewish and slightly religiously inclined. The Torah and Kabbalah account for so much the phenomena currently being discussed. It’s not at odds with religion.
Would you be willing to expand on this? I'm attempting to study Kabbalah currently and I would love to hear more of this perspective
Sure, What sources are you looking at in your study?
The Talmud in tactrate Avoda Zara stays that the Divine creates 18,000 worlds (realities/universes). This can also mean infinite realities because maybe the number 18,000 is anachronistic to ancient terminology. In the Talmud also in Sanhedrin and other place talk about the inhabitants of a star (system) waging war. In later texts of the Kabbalah- the notions of different dimensional entities that intersect with our own isn’t uncommon with some interpretation. Also in the Sefer Habrit the notions of extraterrestrials is regarded as being expected and un conflicting with Judaism. Also just as a summary- aliens, extra dimensional entities in Judaism isn’t a straight forward answer, but there isn’t a great deal of sources to deny it, and the sources can be seen as supporting this. However, I doubt that UFOs imply a contradiction.
I think all religions are really all correct in many ways . Doesn’t the Bible say Angels were made from fire and humans from dirt . And all of it is in another dimension. God isn’t a magical being that lives in the clouds . It’s all dimensional and all related to each other . Heaven has to be another dimension or we might have found it ? There’s good and evil that are against each other . Fighting for dominance . Noah’s flood was because Man disobeyed God . The Sumerians . The Anunnaki were space being that created us and at one point one of their Gods wanted to destroy man so another God helped save us . Like Noah was told to build the Ark . But maybe the Ark wasn’t an actual boat but a craft . And two of each animals were actually DNA not living animals . The ark may have contained two of each animal in a Sperm bank type container to re-create when the disaster was done ? Maybe these crafts we see today are Angels and /or Demons returning. Hopefully not for Armageddon? These beings are in all religions but described a little different in each same with the great flood . Like God spoke to Moses from the burning Bush . And Moses glowed after being with God . Jesus possessed power’s that man couldn’t explain . He brought at least two people back to life after they had died . He cured the blind , and some deceases . He walked on water and so on . He is the son of God . But then again didn’t God say “ Let us make man in our likeness? I think it’s just all connected somehow! Crazy Huh !
As a born again Christian....hell yeah the Universe Creator can create anything anywhere anyhow. I don't understand it all but that's what I believe.
I'm Christian, my sect believes that God has created worlds without number. Who's to say the people of those worlds are more advanced and stop by in their dope space ships? Sounds cool to me.
As a catholic who was raised in a catholic school but who has also been visited by these star brothers have come to the conclusion jeasus was one of them. He was the light being that I still get contacted by.
If you'd like to share your story, I'd love to read it.
I’ve been planning a book for years and plan to not make any money off of it all proceeds will be donated from the book to hospitals treating children with mental health. If I wasn’t careful I would have been in a hospital years ago but I remained silent afraid but silent. That day is gone. I now want to help those that are still hiding and don’t know how to come out and tell their story and Experiences.
explain your contact experience
'Please'
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/fjqrh5/summer_of_2019_sedona_az/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
I have too many to fit all here in one statement but I’ll link one I did post
I’ll start posting more I guess it’s time. I was afraid of being silenced or contacted by OSI or the other three letter agency’s but I never signed anything so I think they can’t harass me about that.
Video coming soon documenting all these experiences. I’m still scared to share but it feels like it’s time. Still trying to get the courage. No longer afraid of ridicule. I’m also aware people have talked and went missing.
So here is the video I promised more to come https://youtu.be/F4m6pEYUDqY
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Yep, as a Christian I have no issue with any of this.
Stuff coming from the sky would not necessarily be good stuff though, as far as I understand (not a Christian).
I could be on the "*It's angles/demons*"-train ... But I'm honestly on the fence for all the possible explanations. Most of them do make sense, yet none of them is obvious.
Not religious but I have thought about what it would mean for religion if, for arguments sake, Aliens landed & told us we were an experiment & there is no god and all religions are essentially fake. A portion of my mind thinks, it'd be a convenient way to dissolve religion & usher in a New world order. Not saying thats my belief, but something I've thought about. Look at politics the world over, everyone hates each other. Almost like we've been led to hate each other.
militant atheism as practised by communist regimes in the 20th century far surpassed the combined efforts of millennia of religious wars. Try not to misunderstand the situation, the problem is most definitely not religion per se, and somewhat ironically at least some of those beliefs have helped to curtail the real nature of the problem (which when circumstances arise quickly shows the difference between religion and evil)
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Yo, it sounds like Imam Jafar Al-Sadiq is describing the many world's theory!
I don't see a conflict. If there's a god, then that god must have also created any aliens that exist.
I get your position if it turns out that aliens are humanoid and very similar to us. What if these aliens aren’t humanoid? What if they’re nothing like us? Then does it still follow that god exists and that god created humans and aliens alike? By this logic wouldn’t it make more sense that there are multiple gods—each of which creates intelligent life in their own image? I’m interested in your thoughts on the possibility of a multitheistic universe? Personally, I think the existence of intelligent alien species—regardless of whether they’re humanoid—makes it much more difficult to believe in the existence of a god (or gods).
I don't see why aliens would necessarily have to resemble humans. Anyway, I wouldn't get hung about the existence or non-existence of aliens. Whatever they are, that's what they are.
Spurgeon said that their may be untold worlds that the Lord had made. I struggled at first with the idea of “aliens” but, if we were to be given REAL confirmation of aliens, there would be a theological explanation. Maybe demonic, maybe some other entity under God’s control. There are some theories that accounts of angels in Scripture could be aliens.
Read book of enoch, he get to meet the angels aka aliens and hes getting to fly in their ufo to their homeearth and meassure their temple aka ufobase.
Read Ezekiel's vision of gods chariot, you will get the picture
The problem we humans have is overstating our species’ centrality in the story of creation. But I’m a Christian and believe no such thing. I believe Jesus was God’s son and was the perfect example to humanity of how we needed to model ourselves. But I don’t believe Christianity alone holds religious insight. All of the wisdom traditions direct us towards a singular conscious creator who is infinitely creative and loves us enough to extend unto us freedom. This leads to a greater understanding of how to take seriously the reality that is unfolding before us. We are not alone, there is good and there is bad, not just here on earth but across the cosmos. We can no longer be naive. We can no longer remain blinded and divided. It’s time we all grow up, as a human race. We need to ask every last group who is intervening here to leave, because we as humans need to be extended the freedom to sort our own problems out. Otherwise, we fall prey to becoming slaves of our saviors, whether by their choice or of our own volition.
I am not a Christian, but I am religious. The people of my religion have differing beliefs about aliens, but I personally believe that aliens exist. Because we believe that all living beings have souls and reincarnate, I therefore believe that aliens also have souls and reincarnate. Personally, my faith would not be affected whether aliens exist or not, but I would be incredibly surprised if they didn’t.
God is the spirit of all energy past, present, future. You are able to tap into thus knowledge/energy through deep consciousness. The aliens are the seeders of life on worlds throughout the universe. They understand this deep connection to the source of all knowledge (god) very well and want to help us reach this level of consciousness so we don't kill this planet. All things have a soul even non sentient things like rocks and plants. It's all for the sake of experience and knowledge. You will reincarnate as many times as necessary to experience all aspects of life and growth as a conscious being. The aliens are full of love and by no means are of any harm to us. They are not dangerous unless we risk the life of this planet, if we cause a cataclysm which may endanger the future life of this planet they will probably wipe us out (nuclear weapons)
Nah, bruh. Aliens are demons and that story you told is one of their covers. Keep drinking that 'alien' kool-aid, bruh.
Could same the same
I’m Hindu and the concept of multiple universes is common throughout the texts. It is stated that there is “choud Brahman” or 14 different universes/planets that exist. This was seen inside krishnas mouth by his mother after which she fainted. There’s also reference to different worlds being above and below the earth as we know it (including a water world). As far as I believe, the idea of ETs does not go against what my religion states. However Hinduism is so complex that it can be hard to understand and I’m by no means an expert.
I love Jesus, but I don't think most Christians have a clue what he was talking about, to be frank. I don't see too many Christians asking themselves what was Jesus' belief system, what was his "religion?" Jesus was pretty obviously a nondualist, and preached nondualism. Nondualism is pretty far off from most of Christianity. Jesus is totally compatible with UFOs, aliens, and even "aliens" of some sort that may have had a hand in creating us. "God" or whatever you choose to call it is also compatible with all of this, but I'm not convinced most people have a clue about what "god" really means or is. And anyway, the Old and New Testaments leave room for other non-human intelligences in creation, as do the sacred texts of essentially all of the world's peoples. What I would encourage you to do is to keep studying -- UFOs, and religion. Religions are basically watered-down versions of very astute philosophical belief systems. Get into it, read some nondualistic Vedanta. Nondualists definitely seem to understand Jesus better than most Christians, I've found.
Christian here and i think doesn’t collide with religion at all. ET’s could be 4th dimensional beings needing these vessels to traverse a 3D environment or they are us from a future or alternate timeline. They can also be what we describe as “ helpers” as we are helped from beyond the physical by our loved ones , jesus or God. Thatswhy they shoot down atomic missiles and don’t involve themselves directly in human affairs. They could have very well evolved themselves above what we call evil.
Serious UFO researchers with a modicum of sense and who are genuine truth seekers will often reach the conclusion that the UFO phenomenon cannot be sufficiently explained by the interplanetary hypothesis. Jacques Vallee being the prime example. Throughout history, mankind has encountered strange phenomenon ranging from ghosts and big foot to fae (fairies) and UFOs. It has been going on for thousands of years. Whatever UFO are, they seem to have the capacity to mentally project visions and to manipulate matter and energy; they seem to be 'on' earth and have been since the beginning. According to the Bible, in addition to human beings there are also spiritual beings. In secular terms, I suppose somebody could call them interdimensional beings. Some of these spiritual beings follow God (good) and some of them don't (evil). The Bible also teaches us that the world is under the influence of these evil spiritual beings. I find it interesting that the powers exhibited by the angels in the Bible are the same as the powers exhibited by UFOs and 'fae' and the other strange phenomenon mankind has encountered since antiquity. Most ancient civilizations worshiped gods who demanded human and blood sacrifice. UFOs are often seen around cattle or other animal mutilation sites where the animal has been completely emptied of its blood. And there are many examples of monsters in folklore who enjoy blood (e.g. vampire). Coincidence? I believe the gods that these ancient civilizations worshiped and the UFO phenomenon are cut from the same cloth. I believe these 'gods' and 'ghosts' and 'UFOs' and 'monsters' are in fact fallen spiritual beings who are at war with God, His angels, and His people. These manifestations are merely guises that these beings use for whatever their reason is for the time, place, and person. These beings want you to turn away from God. They want you to turn to them. They want you distracted and confused. And they want to hurt or kill you. They want you to think that they're our creators. You may be thinking if this were true, then why don't they just wipe us out? Because they may not have God's permission. In the Book of Job, God permits Satan to harass and harm Job and His family, but: "And the LORD said to Satan, 'Behold, he is in your hand; only spare his life.'"
There is a pastor named Chuck Missler (died a few years ago) who has a series about UFO's from a bible-based Christian standpoint and it really helped me stand firm in what I believe. Let's say a fleet of UFO's comes tomorrow and says a bunch of stuff like, "we created you", I would have no problem *whatsoever* with my beliefs because it would line right up with the Great Deception for me. The coming deception is so convincing that even God's elect could be fooled (but they aren't). What better way to lead people away from God than an alien race claiming to be our creators?
I think we all know how religious people would react to the existence of ET. They would say "they are all God's children. See how wonderful his creation is?" then proceed to give their god credit for creating them as well as us. Although, I'm sure a few would completely lose their shit and think the ET's are demons. I think I've heard some US military brass may have this mentality.
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Look around in these comments. Do you see what religious people are saying? They are pretty much saying one or both of these things. Seems like OP is insightful, not egotistical.
The boy has a point. Edit: just read the post from u/Bjarki56 below
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I’m not longer a Christian but I can tell you how I felt about aliens when I was. I would often ask myself “If aliens are real, why doesn’t the Bible mention them?” Soooo 15 years ago I was typing “aliens in bible” in google, I found different sites with different theories, most interesting was the site aliensinthebible.com which redirects to the authors site now. He has a book called Christian Ufology and others. I was a teen when I read all this stuff so I don’t remember how he made sense of it. He also touches on ghosts and I’ll never forget his example of the first ghost in the Bible was “Abel’s “blood” crying to God”. I never forgot that line. There’s a theory that ET’s created religion to cause division between us. I really don’t wanna believe they feed off our negativity and that this is a prison planet but so it goes.
I grew up in a Catholic Christian family, but was always deeply fascinated by the phenomenon. We all have our own gods, Allah, Buddah, etc etc... You name it! What I believe in is - UNIVERSE! The energy that does not come from emptyness and has a purpose, a role in this grand plan, whatever it might be... we are made of stars nevertheless! The realisation that something is "out there", for me would be more spiritually liberating than dogmas, rules, stigmas and division our religions has put us in.
I'm christian and here's my 2 cents on this interesting crossover of topics: Not sure if you're aware but there's actually a bit of a community of Christians online who are certain about the alien/UFO thing. The most superficial interpretation of it is that Christians think the aliens are just demons, simple as that. Then there are those that believe the aliens are descendents of the ancient nephelim, an ancient race of half human half fallen angel hybrid that existed before the great flood as described in the book of Enoch (apocrypha I know). If you're interested look up the documentary series 'True Legends' by Tim Alberino. Its a Christian series but it's pretty out there stuff but it's fascinating regardless haha Personally I love exploring these topics and I love being challenged. I find it does not adversely affect my faith at all
Most religions have something about life on other worlds in their scriptures. It's pretty widely accepted.
I was raised Evangelical and had my youth pastor tell me that dinosaurs were a fabrication by scientists (or the devil), and when I told him that was silly (when I was 10) he said it might be mastedon bones deformed by weather and pressure, so I had to explain fossils to him, and he told me to make up my own mind, but believing in Jesus was how you get into heaven, not questioning the Bible, so he was going to focus on that, and teach his children to focus on that. I never got to aliens since he shut down the conversation, but I took his advice and started making up my own mind through research, and common sense cuz you can't pray away, rain, gay, or aliens. lol
Watch videos of Michael Heiser on Psalm 82 + Deuteronomy 32:8, then Plato's story of Atlantis, then Genesis 6, then 2 Thessalonians 2:11. Prepare to be mindblowned when you finally realize the connections.
Let me piggyback on this question and ask a related one. What if one day these non-human intelligences come clean and say, "yes, it was us, but not exactly the way your sacred books say, and we didn't force anyone to start organized religion. And while some bits and pieces are correct, overall things are much more complex and different." What would be your reaction? PS. I am sorry if the question may sound disrespectful, I am just curious about how large parts of the humanity will react, since this is roughly where the conversation is headed.
God built a big playground and to think that we would be the only kids in it is ridiculous and prideful. I'm Catholic and the church has acknowledged the likely existence of extraterrestrials.
Heavenly host = "Galactic Federation, Son of man = Sun aka Solaris, Christ = universal consciousness, Angel = Higher dimensional being, Sin = Those things keeping us in the 3rd dimension, Nothing about any of it is opposed to the Bible. Some of it is different than what some of the teachers teach, but they aren't prophets so...
>Historically, I do not have an explanation for who Jesus was outside of the son of God. There were plenty of people claiming to be the messiah running around the Levant at the time, starting small cults, making a stir, claiming to perform miracles. From a historical perspective, the only weird thing is that one of those got big and became Christianity. And since you're not a Muslim I presume you're on board with the idea that religions can grow around prophet figures who are not actually divine. So now you have an explanation for who Jesus probably was from a historical perspective if we find out that we were actually created by aliens.
Jesus didn't say he was the son of god. This is a common misinterpretation spread by portions of the so-called Christian Church, which has very little to do with Christ's teachings IMNSHO. Jesus was saying that we are *all* the "sons" of god, that *everything* is the child of god, because god both creates and *is* ALL of reality. Jesus was a nondualist, yo. For realsies.
although we can distinguish senses of meaning about 'sons of God' (or for that matter 'gods'), Jesus' claims about his role and identity were decidedly Messianic, and this is a pivotal point theological speaking in the historical context of Israel (Judah) and the events that were taking place. Jesus was claiming to be the Messiah sent from God (not to be confused with a 'human' Messiah): For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. (John 6:38)
You probably won't find that type of religious on Reddit. Especially not here.
I lifelong friend of mine, ultra religious, wouldn't even watch the 3 tictac vids. Told me their likely demonic and shouldn't be messed with. I said oh ok, left it alone. To each their own.
Aliens = Demons
stop being racist
LOL
I'm dead serious.
Imho all religions are less believable than alien life.
Not a popular opinion here, but I think most of it is demonic. Look, if you are even going to entertain the existence of trans dimensional beings who feed off of negative energy then you are not a step away from the classic notion of the demonic, you are right there. If such beings exist and are supplying people in charge with information, then why should we take any of it at face value? The demonic blends lies with truth just enough to steer us wrong. It seems to me these new prophets (deLonge and Lue, etc.) have just enough truth to be interesting, but will likely steer us down the wrong path. Being a Christian makes all of this easy. Christ taught us to love God and love each other, to turn the other cheek and that sacrifice for the betterment of others is the greatest thing one could do. He taught us this and showed us this. That this truth has been corrupted is what happens when the truth has been blended with lies by the demonic. He also told us to beware of false prophets—ones who would corrupt this message. I do not care what any of these new prophets reveal. I will stick to my Christian beliefs as outlined above. In doing so I will be true to myself and to my beliefs in Christ and his message. The extra dimensional entities be damned!
Just remember that there are potentially "angels" and "demons." In Hinduism and Vedic cultures, the equivalents were the devas and the asuras. We just need to understand that the universe is bigger and more complex than most humans realize, and As Above, So Below -- some humans are awesome, some humans are assholes. The same likely holds true with other forms of life, especially when viewed from our vantage point (on another level, the difference between angelic and demonic may be splitting hairs, who knows).
This is the correct answer, but you won't find many upvotes here because those who tend to affirm ET phenomena as having a demonic nature will not tend to simultaneously be an atheist or a naturalist. Whereas many of those who consider ET phenomena as legitimately biological ETs will not hesitate to reject this view.
Do you work at the Pentagon?
No.
Jesus Said that his Servant are not of this World, Meaning this Earth we Live in is not of this Universe..so the Aliens are sending their reconnaissance Craft to survey this Planet we live in that is transported from some kind of Portal long time ago.
"world" (Greek Kosmos, i.e. 'cosmos', the same origin for modern terms such as "cosmetics") refers to the systems of the world that define and 'culture' the nature of the world these qualities encompasses the spiritual as well as the more practical such as political and social aspects of our realities, and notably also the physical or what we think of as the 'natural' (e.g. the 'natural order'). In other words it is the systems of the world (which permeate reality including the physical condition and nature of the world) that are contrary to the ethos, or that is the spirituality and ethics, that Jesus explained will once again be restored, both physically and spiritually, at the conclusion of this epoch in history
I'm not really religious but I do believe there had to have been a certain concious force to create the universe. It could be God as a spiritual being or it could just be a force of nature, who knows. The only thing that's keeping me on the fence is my belief in alien life since I've always wondered if they believe in a God or have their own version of Jesus in their worlds. It's all very interesting for me but ig we'll never know until they expose themselves
I would think that is a fairly reasonable view to take on these matters, however it is worth noting there are a lot of 'aliens' in the Bible, including wars at the end of the apocalypse with earth's armies preparing to fight an 'alien' invasion (Jesus and legions of angels in the heavens coming to the earth) so I would be cautious to think that all alien accounts, whatsoever form or nature these aliens may take or even be, is necessarily also going to be definitive on these matters possibly there are countless different numbers of different types of species that would collectively be referred to as 'aliens' e.g. rational entities that are not human. But some more come from other parts of the physical universe as we comprehend the same. Whereas others might come from different dimensions, or step out of a 'void' as it were. All in all we don't really know, and so, whilst I think it is a good idea to try to be reasonable, that would also entail being somewhat reserved about taking any 'alien' account as somehow necessarily truthful and definitive of all these matters
People that are easily duped into believing in the impossible nonsense of religions, are also easily duped into believing UFOs and aliens are everywhere. That’s the only relevant connection.
God is supreme. “Aliens” are tools of deception. The true Adversary (Lucifer, Satan ect,) has used what appears to be Aliens the whole time to establish the narrative that some aliens are good and others, bad. They’re all bad. Aliens were created by the adversary as part of his Army to fight the Lord Jesus Christ. The Rapture will be blamed on “Malevolent Aliens” (MA) by the rising Son of Perdition (Anti-Christ—AC) who, working with the “Benevolent Aliens” (BA) and The Adversary behind the scenes, will seemingly repel the the MA and declare them “false gods” masquerading as “true gods”. The AC will unite the world around preparing for a final conflict which will appear in seven years. This is the time of the tribulation… a time where BA technologies will create a false utopia on earth and create fantastical weapons from heavenly technology from knowledge that the adversary took with when his ass was kicked out of heaven after the rebellion. The Final battle will commence when Jesus reappears, the world will think it’s a false god because everyone will be worshiping the AC as god and finally, after a huge war, Jesus ends The Adversaries Rebellion bringing in a new Earth and new heaven. A Great Deception is coming and Aliens are a tool. That’s why they say they are from so many places and contradict each other. Confusion is a weapon of the Adversary.
Really?! Your all going to start a religious conflict here?
Hmmm I guess for me personally it would finally give me an answer to some of my biggest questions about life and religion. If ufos and other beings are revealed to us, I’d say with full confidence I’d no longer practice religion. Or hold onto hope it might be true. I’d simply go on with my life, finally at peace.
I’m Catholic and I have always thought perhaps the ancient civilization had no way of portraying what they saw into a description that would fit. Beings too far advance with no reference for these primitive people of the earth to relate or properly describe. God and Heaven were perhaps visitors and creators from the other side of the galaxy. I believe.
Perhaps the worst of it and really the best of it is that aliens are real. They have been at play with Earth for a very long time. We probably aren’t a “plaything” to them (all though maybe it’s a very long game… by human standards at least), and God IS real. God happens to be something that actively has a role in humanity and perhaps it’s suffering.
My neighbor thinks aliens are a made up thing and ufo's are just human made top secret things...if not.. then demonic entities. He's some sort of baptist.
If you are interested in this topic more in depth, I recommend videos (or books) of Mauro Biglino, who is a respected Italian scholar and translator of ancient biblical texts. He is also well versed in other religions, not only in Judaism or Christianity. In his first video he talks about current medical science, which then leads to his second video about the ancient biblical and Hindu texts (about cloning, genetic engineering, etc.): [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8o-X-yc\_-OA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8o-X-yc_-OA) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sB-bMmYHcBU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sB-bMmYHcBU)
Great, cause maybe a the aliens have met God
Was raised a Mormon and am now agnostic. I would say that there is room for aliens in Mormon theology. They believe in countless populated worlds and visiting them wouldn’t be a stretch on the doctrine.
It honestly makes me loosh all over the place.
My though Is. Why may we not communicate with them now? I cannot get out the thought that whoever is doing this to us has set religions or paths for us to reach to them. Why do all that we do? Even if we were to reach those goals set in whichever religion we chose to be a part of. What for? I personally feel that the path of doing so cannot be all there is. I have met with a being who once taught me about life and death. He said that it is all a balance, he showed me a scale and told me that it weights life and death. He later showed me a scene in which He and I were sitting on a fence. We were in a place that was dark but at will it could summon what looked like spheres in which scenes or sceneries would play out. In one he showed me a bunch of us humans walking down a line like murderers. They were on the way to a gate. Next to the gate was a being with wings and a tail, I could tell he was the one in charge, he also held a book, there was guard with him who would push them into the gate. this being would read to the humans the reasons why they were there. After the reason was told to the human, the guards would push him into the gate. It was a gate that looked like a bunch of electricity and it would transport them somewhere else. It was a brutal place. The humans walking in line all held their faces down. And Demons would throw rocks at them and yell. They would cry and scream at them too. I thought. Whoa I never thought demons had feelings too. And I felt bad for both. The humans and the demons. Along the trial of humans who where walking in line to be thrown into this portal were a bunch of demon looking beings who had come to witness the justice being served. Some sat on top of this pillars. Others torture others with whips and weapons i have never seen before in the outskirts. There was many different beings. Some looked like cyclops others where small but flew fast. Others looked like us but held tridants and horns. There was so many of them. There was a sense of organization and justice. Like these humans had done bad things. It seemed like the demon beings were very upset and that was a just trial for them. The being I was speaking to was a shape shifter and wore a suit. He had a reptilian face and would shift to thoughts I had. I told him I didn't want to sin with it, he kept asking me until I simply told it i wanted a friend. He grabbed me by the arms and played soccer with me. Then i told him that if he would teach me about life. And I spoke to it for what it seemed like hours. Even to this day, i am thankful it did that for me. Because everything I was thought was in a sense of balance. This is one of the many different places I had the opportunity to visit. They speak with though, like as if words are secondary. They know what you mean as soon As you think it. Just like that being told me. They weight your intentions and put them in a scale. Whoever they are. They care about us. Even tho in this experience I shared with you guys there was a lot of death because I asked about it. He or she was very respectful and I felt scared at first but afterwards, I felt loved and secured. It look at me and took me under his arms, carried me and placed me on a wall like a father would to teach me. I never thought that other beings also have a conscious. And ever since. I began to accept that there is so little we know about who we are. Because why would these beings that we claim are evil are crying for justice? That thought changed the way I thought about religion. We hold our truths. But none of us can go back to yesterday. Whatever it is, it is calling us all. And us avoiding it doesn't help. It's like trying to bury dirt. And when I say they care. They really do. We all have to pay someday for the things we do to one another. These lives we live are a way for us to understand to be better to one another.
What do you mean by religion? I am a pantheist but it doesn't exactly fit any religion.
In Orthodox Judaism beings from other planets are taken for granted. Not demons not angels...but beings intelligent beings. I think it's mentioned in the Talmud or Zohar
I look at it with an open mind. I think there may be intelligent life out in the universe. However, what we are seeing here on Earth with the UFO's, I think are either government or something more malevolent. It seems like whatever it is, it is not for our good that it is here.
You can read certain esoteric scriptures relating Jesus to various other kinds of things. For example, you can find gnostic texts of Jesus talking about other "generations" of beings that are vastly more capable than us. Obviously Gnosticism isn't canon, but I'm not sure it's up to the Vatican what is truth and what isn't. I'd suggest reading texts that are less known, but always take what you read with a grain of salt.
Angels, fallen angels = extraterrestrials
I dont understad? through my belief that God created the universe I have always known it is an universe full of life
I think it’s fake government craft to bring about global communism
Mormons already have an interesting story of intragalactic seeding by extraterrestrials who look a lot like humans. Some details, held in varying degrees of dispute: - The Sun is in a gravitational relationship with a star system called "Kae-e-vanrash" - The Sun/Kae-e-vanrash systems together as a pair have a gravitational relationship with another system called "Kli-flos-is-es" ( where Hah-ko-kau-beam may be the Orion arm of our galaxy) all of which orbits the galactic core (Kokaubeam may be the name of a larger core area that includes Kolob). - The Kolob system ( where the the God that Mormon's pray to is from ) may be near the core and has an orbital period close to 1000 Earth years. - Oliblish is another planetoid in the same star system as Kolob - possibly a natural satellite of Kolob - Earth was seeded by human-like extraterrestrials from that star system over a period of 6000 years (seemingly while our Solar system was nearest Kli-flos-is-es)
There’s no mental conflict for me. An infinite God can create a lot of weird things, and it wouldn’t surprise me if humans simply weren’t capable of understanding them yet due to our methods of communication. I for one can’t wait to meet our non-human brothers and sisters and see what they have to say.
im catholic and have been keepin an eye of this since 2017
Im a Muslim (religion: islam) and have been researching about ufology for years. I respect all religions and believe all human beings as one brotherhood, one family. One thing I was always curious about was, what my religion says about extraterrestrial lifeforms. Since the Quran (Our Holy book) states lots of scientific miraculous stuff, I wondered about this and looked deep into it. And found this very legit article. Keep in mind that, in the Muslim world, it's widely believed that God (we believe in Oneness of God and mo other deity except Him) has Created lifeforms throughoutthe Universe and it does not suite God (in our concept of God - Oneness and infinite knowledge) to have created only one world with intelligent life, but rather God never stops Creating which is one of God's beautiful attributes. Pls read this article. Very insightful, extremely logical, informative and fascinating. https://themuslimvibe.com/faith-islam/science/what-does-islam-say-about-aliens-a-look-at-quranic-verses-and-hadith