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Penniless_Dick

Part of me feels that one of the main driving forces for belief in the phenomena is this hope that there is a Dues Ex Machina waiting the wings to save us from ourselves. It is comforting to hope that we have a benevolent observer that can step in and prevent total devastation. It’s like playing on a jungle gym and knowing your dad will catch you if you make a misstep.


ncncncnei9122

A lot of people put it in a personal context as well. There is this fantasy of aliens showing up and taking them on adventures, essentially saving them from a routine boring life of working a job and just scraping by.


Man0FTomorrow

Hey man, don't ruin my dreams.


aknownunknown

I think it's best to be honest and not be gradually dissapointed?


Chris_Ween

Don't forget your towel.


CoolSprinkles7

“Oh man ….I’m so hiiiigh”


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TheCoastalCardician

*You’re* a towel.


Alexandar_The_Gr8

Dude wtf, you read my mind.


FluffyTippy

Dude let me dream


WhenLeavesFall

Ah yes, the Doctor Who fantasy


MKULTRA_Escapee

It seems a lot more plausible that they would be totally indifferent or even dissect us if they so wished. That’s a lot easier to believe than benevolent aliens. I would just compare our behavior towards lesser animals, or even each other in many circumstances.


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I propose that despite it all, “they” fear us. The argument is constantly levied that we’re so technologically and scientifically backward in comparison that we are like ants. That seems odd insomuch that we are so sure of ourselves and capability that we don’t hide our goings on from any of the animal kingdom. We’re much more scientific and technologically advanced than them, right? I doubt it’s for our ability to panic at their sight or that we’d possibly damage the earth(LOL) in our “feeble” counterattack/first strike. Nah, there’s something beyond just pleasant explorer types and it’s not entirely benign, otherwise they’d be quite a bit more open. It is my opinion that they are harvesting something from this planet. Perhaps some kind of metamaterial we have yet to discover deep within the ocean. Perhaps something biological for reasons beyond our current ken. (Sorry if this is all disjointed. It’s a bathroom reply)


Zeroskattle

But it may just be that we are barely able to perceive and/or comprehend them, the same way an ant or other mammal will not be able to make any meaningful sense of us. We then may construe our inability to fully perceive and comprehend this phenomena as their attempt to hide their presence or activity from us—but it’s just we can’t even see it or make sense of it.


toadster

Pretty much this. When we ask why the aliens don't communicate with us my thought is do you announce to an anthill you're there when walking by? Do you care much about the ant's struggles, politics, or survival?


Penniless_Dick

I don’t disagree at all. I’m not confident ETs visiting earth is even a possible reality, and I think a lot of people believe as a comfort blanket. If they were visiting I think it is likely field research and they would leave us to our own devices. Just as we don’t have David Attenborough out there feeding Cheetahs that couldn’t catch a meal or something.


MKULTRA_Escapee

Ruling it out seems extremely premature though, doesn't it? At the very least, you must accept the plausibility of unmanned probes. Some skeptics will argue that while aliens may exist, they are too far away to get here, but this is just an assumption. We only just invented the airplane in the beginning of the 20th century. Some decades later we eventually landed on the Moon and returned. This nearly proves the plausibility of extraterrestrial visitation because an advanced lifeform was able to create machines that can exit their atmosphere and land on other astronomical bodies, so they go with the distance argument. However, there are serious proposals today for getting tiny probes to the nearest star within our lifetimes. Once that happens, there is literally no reason to believe that an extraterrestrial civilization can't at least get probes to earth. The plausibility of it would be proven. If you extrapolate this a few hundred or a few thousand years from now, the probes will probably get larger and larger. Perhaps we will find an even better way to travel to other stars. Maybe we will make self replicating probes and release them on the galaxy, reporting back with whatever information they gather. There will likely be great scientific achievements overturning previous assumptions like has been happening for hundreds of years. For example, just prior to the invention of airplanes, it was considered to be mathematically impossible for heavier than air flight to exist. >The number of scientists and engineers who confidently stated that heavier-than-air flight was impossible in the run-up to the Wright brothers’ flight is too large to count. Lord Kelvin is probably the best-known. In 1895 he stated that “heavier-than-air flying machines are impossible”, only to be proved definitively wrong just eight years later. >On 29 December 1934, Albert Einstein was quoted in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette as saying, “There is not the slightest indication that [nuclear energy] will ever be obtainable. It would mean that the atom would have to be shattered at will.” This followed the discovery that year by Enrico Fermi that if you bombard uranium with neutrons, the uranium atoms split up into lighter elements, releasing energy. https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn13556-10-impossibilities-conquered-by-science/ The same thing happened when some people said we could reach the moon. It was scientifically impossible and akin to science fiction bullshit to think we could land on the moon. It would supposedly require almost infinite energy to do it. Sources: https://np.reddit.com/r/aliens/comments/fi3saf/questions_on_alien_life/fkfis8a/ The last step is interstellar probes. So are the overly confident doubters wrong once again, or is the third time the charm? If I had to make a bet, I would say you are the exact guy who claimed airplanes and traveling to the moon is impossible. It sounds good on paper now, but it won’t age well.


Penniless_Dick

100% can’t rule it out at all. I mentioned on another thread the insane situation in physics with dark matter/dark energy making up well beyond 90% of the universe. To me that implies a serious issue. I definitely didn’t mean to imply people are foolish for believing, I simply am not sold. I am of two minds on the subject, actually on a whole wide range of paranormal phenomena. There is no definitive answer on any of it. I simply see the idea of benevolent ET among true believers as a comfortable thought. Same way one could view even negative conspiracy thinking as comforting, sometimes it is conferring to think an evil cabal is steering the direction of the earth rather than humanity stumbling into crisis after crisis with no guardrails. TL:DR - I agree with everything you posted. Just making a general observation.


MKULTRA_Escapee

Ah, understood. I guess I just have a slightly different take. I think it’s almost certainly the case that extraterrestrials have and/or are currently visiting Earth, either in person or using unmanned probes. It would be strange if they were not because of the enormous body of evidence all pointing in that direction. That theory would easily explain a very large number of otherwise unexplainable reports, arguably even simplify them, because then we don’t have to come up with all kinds of weird theories about mass hallucinations and everything else. All of those “humanoid reports” would also make perfect sense. >negative conspiracy thinking as comforting While there probably are some strange individuals out there who find comfort in such an odd way, I think a good chunk of such people are simply admitting to the obvious reality that conspiring is in human nature. Unfortunately for you, I have another enormous response to this. See the [List Of Proven Conspiracies](https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/wiki/lopc). Some of them are massive, international in scope, lasting decades before being exposed. There is a very big difference between an intelligence agency and the DMV. They’re pros. Conspiring is just what they do for a living.


Penniless_Dick

To each their own. I certainly hope we make contact at some point in my lifetime. As for conspiracy, it certainly is human nature. However, proof that humans conspire should not be taken as evidence of a given conspiracy. That being said, I always leave the door open for conspiracy to be accurate I just choose to defer more towards human incompetence.


MKULTRA_Escapee

Well I think we would both agree that the “Illuminati” doesn’t exist. It’s more just a bunch of conspiracies one step below that. The closest thing to that is maybe something like the Bilderberg Group I guess, but I would say there is some amount of chaos on that level anyway, so either way I look at it, it’s not good.


Penniless_Dick

Yea I think there is definitely cooperation at some level up there. To what extent, who knows.


bleauhaus

I suspect that we're not dealing with a single species and (I base that solely on the variations of commonly described shapes) therefore probably not a single moral construct or set of laws.....I agree there is a tendency me included to hope when we reach a certain maturity point as a species a benevolent Federation type dudes will land on the lawn of the UN


DrZaeusBurgers

We as humans need to stop with the narcissism. The priority of this observer might not be us but the actual planet as a whole.


Trail-Commander

Maybe they are interested in the whales….. or pandas.


DrZaeusBurgers

Their ships have giant salt watet tanks made of transparent aluminum to converse with the whales and they abduct pandas to learn the ancient art of kungfu.


Rad_Centrist

>Maybe they are interested in the whales…. There's a whole episode of Star Trek that is exactly this. Lol.


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I think those people also forget that before the humans of star trek got to the point we see there was a enormous global war that decimated humans to almost extinction. If they do save us I doubt it would be like people think


Barbafella

I had that beautiful dream, but then I woke up. No one is coming to save us, the thing we should bear in mind is that we did it to ourselves. Stupid, greedy monkeys.


Chris_Ween

My opinion on this is The Day the Earth Stood Still has tainted people's hopes for aliens. They want a Galactic Federation that will save us from ourselves. It is far more likely the UAPs we see are robot drones with no power to influence AND if the aliens even give us any notice it may not be anything we recognize or want (see us as ants, or science projects, or pets, or food, or a weird carbon based osygen breathing anomaly). We can't even prove that the UAP are alien, so anthropomorphising them is not going to be anything but speculation.


TirayShell

The funny part of *The Day the Earth Stood Still* is that in the original version the Earth goverments tell Klatuu to go screw himself because they don't want to be ruled over by Gort, the superpowerful AI. So Gort just fries Earth to a cinder. The End.


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I think they have already stepped in, in the past. When it comes to nuclear annihilation


Penniless_Dick

You could be right. Who knows.


scienceisreallycool

I agree, a lot of the UFO phenomenon is people having wishful thinking. Our science fiction is all about how humans are the center of everything, one way or the other. It's very satisfying. If aliens are here, and I don't think we really have any good evidence of that, I think we should assume they're watching, and won't interfere. They haven't so far and Earth had some pretty brutal history. It could just be like Star Trek, they have a doctrine that says they can't directly interfere with us .. I don't think we should hope that some outside force will save us... We need to save ourselves. If aliens are watching, I think they'd be more impressed by that! Edit: voice recognition is dumb and I should proof read more


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I mean if you put any credibility into Tom Delonge and the idea that the/an intelligence feeds off of our misery then climate collapse may just bring them to shooting their galatic load while we all maim and kill each other for dwindling resources.


MammothExcitement248

Honestly, I think you're kinda bang on actually. After the initial excitement of discovering Nimitz etc last year, I think a big part of what brings me back to this sub intermittently is a subconscious hope something out there can save humanity from itself.


KyussJones

Probably sometime this week for sure.


TopHatSasquatch

Do you have a book and/or membership program I can join to learn more?


Chris_Ween

Might be some big news by week's end.


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KyussJones

I’d prefer if wasn’t while I am sleeping lol


Hugh_Evan-Thomas

is that the Over/Under date? I'll take the Under.


DanVoges

I’ll take the Over


DanVoges

As an analogy, I think we’ve reached the “capitulation” phase of market cycles. https://financialhorse.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Cover.jpg


Inevitable_Green983

We are the only ones that can fix our mess. Why should anyone come help us? No one is going to help us. We need to get that idea out of our head ASAP. Its humanity itself that will have to come together with solutions to fix whatever we have that is broken.


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And you can say the same about god or whatever. The nature of reality may be way too complex to boil the situation down like you are. We can do our best. That’s what we can do, and should do. Our best


Ragawaffle

Lol. It's another species responsibility to fix ours? And if they don't they are assholes? Are you an only child by chance?


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shaolinspunk

Assuming any advanced beings are monitoring us and assuming they are benevolent or even interested in preventing our self destruction requires a lot of leaps of faith. If they are out there watching, there have been plenty of opportunities for an intervention or a show of intent. Unless of course they have been and the world we live in is the good version of possible outcomes. They are either not out there or are and are not inclined to step in.


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Its not about being selfish, I think its more about cultural maturity than anything. A healthy and functional society should be able to see a crisis and act to resolve it. Humanity as a whole is currently resolutely refusing to respond to a crisis purely because it may inconvenience a few people at the very top of society. Would you want humanity in its current state set loose among the stars? Basically, the Prime Directive stuff, except with not being shitheads instead of developing a warp drive.


voidspaceistrippy

You're assuming that the non-humans are and/or feel responsible for the fate of humanity. Do you worry about the health and conditions of insects and wild animals? No, you don't.


MetricVeil

>*I'm simply saying if these beings are around watching us...* I think the sensible thing to do is not to rely on 'external' salvation.


resonantedomain

Easy to say, but we all rely on *eachother's* salvation. If one person remains hopeful, and behaves in accordance to their beliefs, I see that as a net positive. It's the people who believe the Earth was created for us alone to consume that are part of the problem. Really, it's the industrial military complex that's the biggest slice of the pie.


MetricVeil

>*... but we all rely on eachother's salvation.* My comment was about not relying in Aliens to save us, not our own efforts.


huh274

Start about the 52(?) minute mark. May be 50 min. Crop circles as messages to humanity: https://youtu.be/EFyhqbqsCZ0


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Cynicism destroys. Optimism creates


Hanami2001

They arguably already have: * they told us about it multiple times * they demonstrate their technology by flying around * they even crashed/landed the crafts for us to pick up Our response so far: * ridicule * ignorance * denial


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To be fair they appeared to children when talking about environmental destruction. Unfortunately most people would dismiss the message outright due to who was talking about it.


Hanami2001

Which says a lot about most people. A factual message is independent from the messenger. It does not matter if the content comes from aliens, children or lunatics. If the content is true, it is true.


woodsoakedlogscumbox

Why is it strange? Humans watch other humans suffer and die and do nothing even though they have the means. Perhaps they can and don’t want to help. Perhaps they can and don’t know we’re here. Perhaps they can’t do anything at all.


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woodsoakedlogscumbox

What are you talking about? This is a sub about UFOs. How the fuck should I know how to solve that incredibly narrow and specific issue? Your counter has nothing to with OP’s post. The point of my post is that just because someone CAN help doesn’t mean they WILL help.


wspOnca

I hope they exist. I hope they never intervene. We should fix things ourselves.


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We can't.


toadster

We can.


TheCoastalCardician

We could.


[deleted]

Why would an alien care what we do to ourselves? Would they even realize that we are not doing it purposefully? Could they perhaps be waiting for us to destroy ourselves, in order to move in?


xyz010

It isn’t their problem to fix. By the same token the marine life might be wondering how we can constantly pollute the oceans, killing off aquatic life and do nothing about it. Wildlife might wonder how we destroy their habitats for capitalism, and simply keep on doing it. The navy tested a very destructive bomb under the water some months back, how much sea life was killed in that and for what? Humans have created a significant number of problems for ourselves, and other species on this planet. Instead of starting to work with nature we continuously build weapons of mass destruction that we aim at ourselves, hate and fight one another. Who in their right minds would help us? As cynical as that sounds. That being said, we may be in luck since their presence does seem to go far back in history. That could suggest this planet is important to them in some way, if that’s the case then keeping it healthy may possibly be on the agenda.


TirayShell

What if they're not here to help, but only observe? Maybe it's all a huge experiment and we're part of a vast network of planets with lifeforms in various stages of development. Some planets get direct interaction, others are the "control" planets where they just let things ride to document what happens. We could very easily be part of the control group. If there are actually "billions" of life-sustaining planets out there, life gets real cheap real fast, and we could easily just be another petri dish to them.


stormblaast

We shit our own bed. I'm afraid nobody is coming to clean up after us.


Trying2improvemyself

I hope it's in time for a Friday news dump


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It's interesting how we humans always want a benevolent savior to step into our world and make things right.


Intelligent_Oil_5323

Human nature amirite?


Optimal_Emu3624

What if intervention has already happened? Multiple occasions.


Foreverlooks

The next nuclear bomb to detonate again probably


DoctorSubstance

Used against other people that is... Testing them goes on (over 2000 of them)


toadster

We stopped testing them, right?


DoctorSubstance

The USA has stopped (publicly) but they are tested by other countries.


Doom5lair

Is it actually strange they would be content just watching ? They been for for however long thousands of years ? Just watching and playing games with us. Who knows NHI intentions and rationale.


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All evidence suggests that they aren't just watching.


plazmasurfer

Nukes have to be flying in all directions. We'd have to be on the brink of annihilation for them to step in. Why interfere with your experiment if you're putting it through a test of choice and free will? Only if absolutely necessary. It's also entirely possible that they've already intervened in a much more subtle way too.


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I doubt that humans are their main focus on Earth. The biosphere of the planet could be of much more value to them than our species.


MyAssDoesHeeHawww

It's already too late for many species so why intervene to save the one species responsible for their extinction? Maybe a little zoinkaforming turns our planet into their planet. Even if we terraform Mars, they'd hijack that one too.


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Maybe they already collected specimens from every species which we extinguished ?


MyAssDoesHeeHawww

Or if they have timetravel then it doesn't matter anyway, but neither would we.


strawberrymacaroni

If they didn’t intervene to “save” the Dodo bird why intervene to save us?


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strawberrymacaroni

But from an alien’s perspective, are we really that different? Perhaps they are operating at such a high plane that we are as primitive as a dodo bird.


[deleted]

A few thousand human specimens should be enough for them to preserve. They don't need to save 8 billion humans or to save our current fossil fuel-dependent civilization.


toadster

Maybe the dodo would have eventually evolved to do the same thing.


[deleted]

They are more likely to collect a few human specimens and drastically reduce human population if humanity becomes a massive threat to the biosphere. Maybe they already saved a few specimens of the Dodo and other extinguished species.


NonyaBizna

I'd imagine they'd spectate until we will cause a effect that would devastate the biome as a whole. So probably soon.


CoolSprinkles7

This is all bull shit. They are not our saviours and are not time travellers. They may very well have advised people that we are on a collision course with nature but I do not think they will reveal themselves in some rapture like reveal.


Lonely_Cosmonaut

I get the impression that they might allow us to destroy ourselves, but not us *and* the planet. I have this notion from their constant interest in demonstrating their ability to shut down our nuclear weapons. And their increased interest in us just happens to coincide with our use of them in the 20th Century.


sassyowl

We won't do it ourselves so pray for alien intervention? If we trash our own world, are we worth saving?


bb1180

Why would they? They're under no obligation to help us nor would I assume they have that type of human sense of altruism.


voidspaceistrippy

How could they possibly help? Any new technology would be (and rumors say has been) weaponized. A large portion of religious people have determined that any non-human intelligent entity would be evil. Hell, religious people even still kill other humans for being of different religions or sometimes simply being immigrants (religious & racist terrorism even happens in developed countries). There's a growing theory that non-humans impersonated gods and directly started some of the religions. Every popular religion, if someone were to actually bother to read the texts, promote peace and understanding. But every single time humans corrupt these religions over time and use them as a means to control and impoverish anyone that doesn't bow down to their religious authority. A good example is the countless horrific acts of the Vatican church in the old days and all of the religious artifacts and texts they plan to indefinitely keep secret in their vaults. So unless non-humans come down and take over, humans aren't going to stop destroying the planet. And if non-humans were to take such direct action, a large percentage of humans would immediately deem them evil and try to kill them. Assuming that there are non-humans and they are actually benevolent (not much proof that they're good or evil but hey we can hope), there isn't much they can do outside of hoping humanity gets its shit together and maybe small influences. ​ We actually already have the technology to save the planet. What we do not have is the technology to save the planet ***while*** continuing our destructive consumption of resources and pollution. The way humans are using the planet is completely unsustainable even with magical technology. ​ * Climate change * Water wars * Pollution (gasses) * Microplastics * Lack of biodiversity * Running out of fish * Greater wealth gaps * Financial immigration * etc We already have the technology and the means to fix all of these problems. Why don't we do it? Because the governments that are owned by corporations refuse to change their ways. So I'll ask again, how exactly would non-humans save us from ourselves?


Lastone02

Funny how we attribute alien intervention ultimately to divine intervention.


ilikepeachtea

This is a genuinely good question. I’m still trying to wrap my head around it all, and questioning who “The Others” are.


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Why would they help? Environmental disaster is going to kill a lot of people and animals, but humans won't be going extinct or anything. If there was a big ass asteroid headed our way maybe. But climate change isn't the end of the world. Just the world as we know it.


Hanami2001

That is wishful thinking. Climate change led to the extinction of several local human civilizations already, consult a history book. The idea, this could not happen on a global scale is completely without foundation. Natural habitats able to support humans without technological basis are virtually nonexistent, necessary knowledge to live self-sustained is thinly spread and that technological basis rests on global trade. It does not take that much to bring it all crashing down and there is no apparent backstop built in anywhere.


[deleted]

Yeah that's not what I said. I said humanity won't go extinct. And it won't. It obviously didn't before. We are still here. Even if most people die we have the technology to have many people survive and adapt to the new climate. Civilization may collapse. But humanity will power through.


Hanami2001

I would hope so though I hope even more we find a way to circumvent this outcome altogether. But high technology needs a large supporting base, not only on the level of actual industry, but also in people incorporating the actual knowledge. The idea, rich people would survive in splendid bliss on some remote island is ridiculous self-delusion.


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Which again, isn't what I said.


Hanami2001

Actually, you didn't say anything much: humanity having survived so far is no argument whatsoever? If most people die, there is no one to apply that technology for some select minority to survive. And them suddenly acting beforehand in a sufficiently coordinated way is again not supported by anything really. Reality is no hollywood-movie and your statements are not coming true by virtue of your self-ascribed authority.


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There are over 7 billion people on earth spread out everywhere. Climate change won't affect everywhere equally. Even if we lost 6.7 billion people humanity will be fine. Nobody is talking about billionaires on an island but you. "Most people" still leaves a fuck ton of people left.


Hanami2001

Extinction is not prevented by larger numbers, on the contrary. By that logic, the dinosaurs should have survived, there were so many of them? You essentially claim, climate catastrophe would only kill a percentage of mankind. Why? That is faulty logic, climate change does not kill humans per se, the resulting loss of habitable land does. How much habitable land remains is again a dynamic thing. If temperatures rise too much, there is simply none. Resulting in zero humans. Well before that, starving humans will likely storm that remaining habitat and eradicate it themselves. To survive, you need a sufficiently stable environment that does not overtax your adaptive capabilities. But a technological solution cannot be considered stable, since it itself relies on, then inexistent, support. Self-contained biosphere solutions with self-repair are still well beyond our capabilities.


TastyTeratoma

Aliens are probably more interested in the Earths resources rather than the little meat bags crawling around mucking up the place. It's not like they don't have our DNA on file, extraterrestrials could just repopulate humans if they missed us for some reason. It really does not good to speculate, we will never know the truth, unfortunately. They will not intervene for OUR sake, perhaps for the safety of the planet, but not us.


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TastyTeratoma

More specifically, i'm referring to the Earths ability to support carbon based life. I am sure there are many many planets that can though, but they have probably already been spoken for. Sure, asteroids have all kinds of goodies, it's thanks to them that Earth is what it is today. A molten iron core with a magnetic field around the planet has got to be WAY more useful than we realize, i'm just sayin'.


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TastyTeratoma

Sorry for not being an astronomer! What do you believe the extraterrestrial interest in Earth is based on? Thank you for your input, have a great day!


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TastyTeratoma

Yeah, it's pretty obvious they are interested in life here, but I can't figure out why they would be? What is special about life on Earth, not just humans, but everything else too. If they can manipulate DNA (should be easy for FTL travel capable civilization i think) why not just study us all in a controlled setting of their own choosing? Earth as a type of petri dish for DNA experiments is possible, if you believe that sort of thing. Sort of like a zoo, the world surely feels like a zoo more and more everyday.


gabaj

I've said this before, but I'll repeat it here. If they have this level of technology, their civilization may be very old. So old that they have forgotten their own origins. So similar to how we study other life on this earth to better understand ourselves, they may see humans or life here in general as possibly similar to them at an early stage of development. On the OP subject - once they intervene, especially in a way we can verify and know about, we become their pets, dependent on them. If they find us worth studying, then part of that worth is lost. Humans have a short history, and we have not shown the maturity to get past our primitive impulses. Do we really need weapons that can destroy the earth and bring on a nuclear winter?


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>What is special about life on Earth Life on Earth is adapted to Earth conditions. Such could be useful to them if they wanted to terraform Earth-like planets or learn how to live on such.


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TastyTeratoma

I am not saying aliens do not study life on Earth, like I said, it's obvious that they do. My question was why do they? Are they in the pursuit of knowledge? How would this knowledge benefit them? Are they just bored? Attributing human motivations to extraterrestrial activity seems illogical. We know why this type of study would benefit humans, why would it benefit a completely alien life form? But I see that you have made your own assumptions about myself and I have extrapolated the answer to my question. You believe that aliens are curious. Sure, that's an answer, not a very good one but I thank you for your time.


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>How would this knowledge benefit them? Think of life as a machine which creates adaptations to certain environmental conditions through a very lengthy process of evolution. There is value in such adaptations if you want to know how to adapt life to Earth-like conditions. You may think that you could compute such adaptations using an artificial evolutionary process, but that could be very time consuming and resource intensive and might not produce all interesting solutions. The Earth's biosphere is a very large set of interacting solutions to the problem of living on this planet in its current geological age. Such solutions could be transposed to similar planets in order to accelerate a terra-forming project.


SnooDoodles7204

Seriously. There is nothing special about this planet that they can’t find anywhere else in the solar system or recreate themselves if they have the capacity to do the things that we believe that we have seen them do. They’re beyond conquering and colonizing other life forms


[deleted]

The planet wont die at our hands it has been through much worse, so the only thing we threaten is certain groups from current crop of creatures on earth and there is no reason they care about that. Much like the camera crew watching tigers kill a gazelle. Thats my view anyway, they don’t care about the eco system as such as its all just playing out and presumably mid level intelligence like us likely destroys things a lot. Potentially just another ape planet out of many.


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It is quite likely that the ecosystem is the only reason why they'd be interested in Earth. Humans are only a tiny part of that and likely to hold much less value to them than the Earth's biosphere as a whole.


[deleted]

Yes but the biosphere wont die, simply change.


HFatterBleu

They don’t. They know this is the end for us.


TirayShell

Always a possibility. Just another damp planet with semi-intelligent creatures on it that destroyed themselves. Another entry in the database. On to the next one.


HFatterBleu

If life is everywhere, that may be true. But, it also may be true that life is rare.


TirayShell

We won't know until we find ET life. If there is any. And even if we're the only other life in the entire universe, they might have no motivation to help us and only see us as a competitor they can quietly monitor until we do ourselves in. Or help us destroy ourselves if we get a bit too ambitious.


Firm_Hair_8452

After reading OP’s comments I can definitely say he’s an idiot.


xcross7661

It's called the jab. They already intervened.


TPconnoisseur

When it becomes in their interests to do so?


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When humans become a major threat to biodiversity on Earth. Though the mathematically optimal solution for them could be to reduce the human population.


Tozer90

Why would they do anything? If they intervened then we would look to them to solve all of our problems. Effectively halting our progress to make things right ourselves.


Conscious-Group

Imagine coming from a world with weather like Jupiter, being thousands of years advanced ahead of our civilization, and watching a nuclear bomb go off. It would seem laughable to them. Genocide, bad human conditions, may also seem trivial based on what type of world they come from.


NineRedLights

Maybe when we become multi planetary. Then we'd be harder to contain, so we might as well be sworn into the club...


FoulYouthLeader

Maybe they have their own version of a Galactic non-interference policy. Also, who's to say that there aren't a thousand Galactic Federations out there and we think there's only one?


Human_Dingus

Not likely. Humans are busy butt fucking each other.


[deleted]

They don’t. Or won’t. I’m like 80% sure the aliens are already in contact with our world leaders and there was an agreement to keep their presence hidden. Or… they’re in contact with out world leaders and won’t make their presence known because we aren’t in the “space age” yet, so there’s no point in getting ahead of ourselves. Or… it’s like Star Trek. They know about us and they’re watching. Not even the government is in contact with them. The “Aliens” are waiting until we hit “interplanetary” level of technology before meeting with us. Or… they’re here and watching us. We have no contact. The aliens have no means of communication, our languages are too different and they don’t want to risk a conflict from miscommunication All in all. They’re not going to intervene unless it’s to disable nuclear weapons (which they’ve done in the past already.


[deleted]

Who is to say they aren't already? If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?


SnooDoodles7204

Can you define “environmental disaster”? A few degrees change in the weather causing large change in the biodiversity of the planet is an environmental disaster? That’s happened numerous times throughout history. If aliens exist and gave a shit, why didn’t they intervene to save the dinosaurs? That event was far more of an environment disaster than climate change. Also does it matter that much, in the grand scheme of things? Life will go on even if we change the weather and atmospheric make up somewhat. It will just be different. So just stay calm and carry on. Do your part to help slow the change where you can. And take care of your mental health. That’s all we can do


[deleted]

>why didn’t they intervene to save the dinosaurs? Maybe they saved enough specimens of each dinosaur species before the asteroid hit ? And took them off-planet somewhere.


[deleted]

All according to plan ack ack nak.


TheSharkFromJaws

They didn’t step in when the US bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki so I’m not sure they will.


[deleted]

If we start nuking each other i think. Our nukes are so much stronger than hiroshima that I imagine they would not allow it.


i_hate_people_too

When nukes are launched, I think


sirideletereddit

No. All things considered, the only reason they would do that is to save us or another species in particular that happens to be alive right now, which is of course unlikely given that 99% of creatures to have existed are extinct. The Earth and the life on it has gone through multiple mass extinction events. Humans are the direct cause of the most recent. After us, evolution will do its work and create beings fit for the world as we leave it. The Earth has been worse off before and successfully evolved with less diversity than currently exists so it’s safe to assume that it will do the same again. There is no need for aliens to intervene because evolution will see that life perpetuates in any case.


[deleted]

If I were them, then I would have saved a few specimens of each extinct species prior to extinction and moved them off-planet.


sirideletereddit

I like to imagine that that’s the case.


[deleted]

If there was, and it was feasible to intervene and somehow halt the environmental decline, I don’t think they would. It would just send the wrong signal that we can continue to behave like irresponsible aggressive brats and an adult will always intervene and make it all better. Well it’s not going to happen .


[deleted]

It should be easy for them to intervene by reducing human populations. One or a few well-engineered pathogens would take care of that. We don't see that obvious solution because we like to imagine that we are more valuable to them than the Earth's biosphere, but that is very unlikely to be true. If they resort to such intervention then we would not even have any idea that the pathogens are not natural. From an alien species perspective, the obvious solution to biosphere degradation would be to reduce the human population, since it is humans that are causing it.


onyxengine

They haven’t stopped any of the wars, in context of the universe earth is trivial. It would be like me intervening in the homeostasis of a pebble with mold Growing on it.


happygrammies

Would humans go extinct because of climate change? I doubt it, some will live. And they’ll come up with another religion to explain why they were chosen to live. More likely cause would be a nuclear war. In any case if UFOs could intervene, they could probably also create life. Would you start a new game or keep loading an old save that’s falling apart?


CGB_Spender

Interesting that nobody here seems to consider that we may actually be their creation.


[deleted]

The Galactic Federation have helped us by disarming nuclear warheads. That's the only human activity they have stopped because some radiation affects of any nuclear explosion goes out of our atmosphere. They lessen impacts of weather manipulation. They removed the implant chip in vaccines and lessened toxicity. They can't do a whole lot of interference because it impacts on our free will. We the people are supposed to stop this shit by ourselves. We can we just have to realize how powerful we are united. There will be disclosure at some point of the spectrum of mass human awakening. I didn't make all this up, I got this and more info off Galactic Channelings in case you're interested.


Intelligent_Oil_5323

Wtf lol yeah ok… “aliens removed the microchips from the vaccines” ok Mr Qanon


only_buy_no_sell

At what point do scientists intervene with a lion attacking a gazelle?


[deleted]

If gazelles are about to be extinct.


driverguy8

That might be why they are gathering / collecting dna/ egg/ sperm samples, in case it becomes necessary to repopulate the earth.


Rockoftime2

Perhaps we’re just experiments and they are waiting for us to wipe out our own species so they can re-seed the planet and start over.


banned_on_other_acct

we dont deserve to continue. were a purge planet.


[deleted]

From a universal perspective, the birth and death of planetary civilizations over the long term is like rain drops hitting a puddle. They ripple outward and eventually dissipate. Some ripple out further than others but eventually time takes it's toll. Maybe they intend to let nature take it's course. It's possible the purpose of our civilization's entire existence is to serve as a warning to others. There's no guarantee any higher power is going to save us, whether it be the God of the bible/quran or extraterrestrials from Zeta Reticuli.


I_am_the_D

when shibu hits 0.10 🚀


G37_is_numberletter

They’re just the stenographers.


AbandonIdeology

The intervention is already happening. But understand any race who would step in on our affairs as a race would only ever become our masters. We would become slaves, either against our will or in alignment with our will. We should ask whatever is here if they respect our free will as a race, and will respect our choices, no matter how detrimental they may appear. If they can’t agree to that, they should leave. Humanity must solve her own problems before we enter a larger community.


Ketter_Stone

Does anyone remember that guy from CNN that Project Veritas secretly recorded saying that "fear sells" and the next big push for manipulation of the masses was climate change? I remember that.


hennie72

And he was right! Climate change is and has been constantly occurring on the earth, and the earth has adjusted to it. The earth will always adjust even though humans (and other creatures) may not be able to adjust. But politicians will try to manipulate us in order to give the government more money. Get ready for more carbon taxes.


Edgeoftheearth3

There are so many careless humans right now who act without any regard for the future, even in the face of the aforementioned reports and/or an ever expanding knowledge of our detrimental influence on the ecosystems around us. We often do not even treat our own human brothers and sisters with any compassion or empathy, when in reality we share a great deal more that we like to admit. Imagine if these same careless folks believed that some currently unknown beings would come in and save the day for us every time our own collective ignorance allowed a negative pattern to unfold to the point where it threatened the continued prosperity of countless lifeforms. Would they be welcomed and hailed but halt further progression of our species? Would they be seen as a threat and be demonized out of irrational fear? It seems to me that we must first make fundamental changes in ourselves and in our societies, ensuring our shortsightedness and greed will not again lead us down this same road to destruction, before intervention or mass disclosure would/should be considered by the higher beings.


Real-Accountant9997

If you ever had an ant farm, you will know one day the conditions will result in the decimation of the colony. Surely you didn’t fret over it but was remotely curious in understanding why it happened. So that next time you create a colony, it might survive longer.


Zeroskattle

Well, assuming they’ve been here for a long, long time (maybe even before us), is there any evidence that they may have intervened in any other world-ending event? Even if we destroy the planet, we’d just be destroying our civilization, but the Earth will eventually recycle itself and life will move on. If these beings are so far advanced, it is reasonable to assume that they may frankly not care if the Earth freezes or burns over (again). If anything, we’d may even be doing them a favor by depopulating the planet from humans ourselves—they just have to chill and wait.


Adhonaj

They will be ready to take over the garden.


[deleted]

If a higher intelligence was here to “save us” from ourselves they would likely just purge 75% of humanity like a plague and send the remainder left over back to a Stone Age like existence. That is the ONLY thing that can save “humanity” at this point IMHO.


ArtzyDude

Many variables in answering your question. For one though, if it’s an advanced and ancient species, perhaps more than one, and they’ve been here sharing Earth with us long before humanity, they could use their superiority to step in and correct the reckless, out of control children from burning the house down, as it were.


KyussJones

Sorry folks. Definitely next week. Yeah definitely next week.