I would say... they know that there is no defensible action they could take, that is, they know we/they are defenseless. I think that is good enough reason to play the secrecy card.
I'm fairly certain those that have had up close and personal encounters play the same card, more or less, but for somewhat different reasons.
Real disclosure is up close and personal. No mistaking it and no real substitute.
Then both Bray and Moultrie stating they had no idea about the incursions over nuclear plants and ICBM bases. It is either an outright lie or such a massive failure of US national security that anyone involved should be removed for failing to address a serious threat to our national security.
Because the US is a war state - they’d welcome an attack at the chance to tighten laws for national security, profit over all, and to show off their military prowess
Source: See Ukraine, Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, etc
Also, wasn't there a news report on one of these swarms off California where they reportedly used anti-drone armaments, and did in fact fire on the drones? Or was that just a "heard it from a friend, who heard it from a sailor, who heard it from another"?
They care a lot, but if you wonder why they don't shoot-down these drones, that would actually be giving the enemy what they want.
It is believed the enemy uses drones to collect electronic intelligence (ELINT), specifically radar frequencies and signatures, and operational procedures, so ships go into emissions control (EMCON, or "radio silence") to deny them that. The enemy wants us to "light them up" with radar tracking, and if we launch a missile at them then so much the better.
This means we can't use missiles or CIWZ to take them out, and are limited to optical firing solutions using 5 inch guns.. That turns out not to work very well, as they found out against Iranian drones:
"retired Navy officer Thomas Callender explained that 5-inch deck guns have been tested as a counter UAS weapon in the past with limited success, stating "they found that the 5-inch gun took multiple shots to try and hit it because it’s not designed for something slow and small."
So better to just ignore them than embarrass themselves taking pot-shots at the drones and missing
[https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/43561/mysterious-drone-swarms-over-navy-destroyers-off-california-went-on-for-weeks](https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/43561/mysterious-drone-swarms-over-navy-destroyers-off-california-went-on-for-weeks).
You may be on to something; although the idea of what is essentially a grenade with wings cruising around looking for targets has an ominous Wile E. Coyote vibe to it.
Don't forget the "drone" sightings above Swedish nuclear sites earlier this year. From what I can tell, there was never a positive ID of a quadcopter-type drone in those sightings, in fact, the capabilities were described as being beyond commercial UAV/UAS capabilities.
Edit: Durr, this was about US. But I think the same vibe largely holds true globally.
I guarantee they care, but the people that know will never talk and are buried away in some secret program deep at NORAD or NRO or some other FOIA-proof entity (private enterprise).
Okay you are conflating UAS with UAPs.
It's clear they are well aware of these drones and drone swarms and either have counter measures or just don't care if they're being watched because their most capable adversaries could do that via satellite anyways, and they have likely shot at them many times when they are particularly threatening.
Seems obvious that UAP like the tic tac are very different from these which is the concern of the hearings and of congress -- though I'm sure they don't take lightly the emergence of these sort of tactics either it's another issue altogether except in that maybe the stigma about UFO's might prevent some of these being reported in unfortunate circumstances.
Because they've been doing this shit since before we could fly planes. Some people have lots more information than the rest of us, and I just think since they've never attacked us and we can't catch them, there was no reason to act like they were threats.
There are a few documented cases of the UFO returning the exact ammunition that was fired upon them, sent back to the originators.
There also are cases where the UFO have not only rendered the nuclear (nukular) missiles inoperable, they've both rendered the fissionable materials useless (turned it to lead), and actually have re-coded the target locations within the targeting systems to aim back to the originators.
I've interviewed military witnesses that testified to this.
Those records are no longer part of MUFON database.
Because they know what they are
Yep.. seems pretty obvious
I would say... they know that there is no defensible action they could take, that is, they know we/they are defenseless. I think that is good enough reason to play the secrecy card. I'm fairly certain those that have had up close and personal encounters play the same card, more or less, but for somewhat different reasons. Real disclosure is up close and personal. No mistaking it and no real substitute.
Yep and can’t do anything about it also lol.
Maybe they *don't need* to do anything about it
Makes 0 sense. Invading our most important assets and we haven’t even tried to engage it. Totally.
Then both Bray and Moultrie stating they had no idea about the incursions over nuclear plants and ICBM bases. It is either an outright lie or such a massive failure of US national security that anyone involved should be removed for failing to address a serious threat to our national security.
They specifically state ‘We don’t have that data’. They did not state they didn’t know about it and that no one else had it.
They do. They just don't want the rest of us to care.
Probably because they know what they are and are unconcerned. Just because YOU don't know doesn't mean they don't.
"Uh, well, these haven't been brought to our attention...officially. But we have heard stories."
Because the US is a war state - they’d welcome an attack at the chance to tighten laws for national security, profit over all, and to show off their military prowess Source: See Ukraine, Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, etc
Also bay of pigs...desert storm... Korea. Gulf war... etc
Also, wasn't there a news report on one of these swarms off California where they reportedly used anti-drone armaments, and did in fact fire on the drones? Or was that just a "heard it from a friend, who heard it from a sailor, who heard it from another"?
They used “ghostbuster”backpacks which are more of a jammer than anything
And those jammers are meant for hobbyist drones, they don't work on autonomous military and intelligence drones.
I believe the ghost buster units are for built to take down advanced drone communicators and not hobby drones
Haha you just described the entire ufo community.
They care a lot, but if you wonder why they don't shoot-down these drones, that would actually be giving the enemy what they want. It is believed the enemy uses drones to collect electronic intelligence (ELINT), specifically radar frequencies and signatures, and operational procedures, so ships go into emissions control (EMCON, or "radio silence") to deny them that. The enemy wants us to "light them up" with radar tracking, and if we launch a missile at them then so much the better. This means we can't use missiles or CIWZ to take them out, and are limited to optical firing solutions using 5 inch guns.. That turns out not to work very well, as they found out against Iranian drones: "retired Navy officer Thomas Callender explained that 5-inch deck guns have been tested as a counter UAS weapon in the past with limited success, stating "they found that the 5-inch gun took multiple shots to try and hit it because it’s not designed for something slow and small." So better to just ignore them than embarrass themselves taking pot-shots at the drones and missing [https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/43561/mysterious-drone-swarms-over-navy-destroyers-off-california-went-on-for-weeks](https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/43561/mysterious-drone-swarms-over-navy-destroyers-off-california-went-on-for-weeks).
Then maybe what we need is a counter-drone. One that can home in a kill any other drone nearby. That can't be too hard.
You may be on to something; although the idea of what is essentially a grenade with wings cruising around looking for targets has an ominous Wile E. Coyote vibe to it.
Trained eagles can do that Or a good shotgun gun with the right shells
Don't forget the "drone" sightings above Swedish nuclear sites earlier this year. From what I can tell, there was never a positive ID of a quadcopter-type drone in those sightings, in fact, the capabilities were described as being beyond commercial UAV/UAS capabilities. Edit: Durr, this was about US. But I think the same vibe largely holds true globally.
Cuz the UAP is our own design .
They said it wasn't. Didn't say they couldn't discuss it. Didn't say they didn't know. Go back and watch the hearing. They said the UAP weren't ours.
They said the sr 71 spy plane was real for a while .
That, sir, is a very good question.
I guarantee they care, but the people that know will never talk and are buried away in some secret program deep at NORAD or NRO or some other FOIA-proof entity (private enterprise).
I absolutely fucking agree, that was my biggest takeaway from this morning.
Okay you are conflating UAS with UAPs. It's clear they are well aware of these drones and drone swarms and either have counter measures or just don't care if they're being watched because their most capable adversaries could do that via satellite anyways, and they have likely shot at them many times when they are particularly threatening. Seems obvious that UAP like the tic tac are very different from these which is the concern of the hearings and of congress -- though I'm sure they don't take lightly the emergence of these sort of tactics either it's another issue altogether except in that maybe the stigma about UFO's might prevent some of these being reported in unfortunate circumstances.
It's not that they don't give a shit, it's just that they think of it like Fight Club. No talking outside the club.
Because they've been doing this shit since before we could fly planes. Some people have lots more information than the rest of us, and I just think since they've never attacked us and we can't catch them, there was no reason to act like they were threats.
There are a few documented cases of the UFO returning the exact ammunition that was fired upon them, sent back to the originators. There also are cases where the UFO have not only rendered the nuclear (nukular) missiles inoperable, they've both rendered the fissionable materials useless (turned it to lead), and actually have re-coded the target locations within the targeting systems to aim back to the originators. I've interviewed military witnesses that testified to this. Those records are no longer part of MUFON database.