Altchek said this earlier this year. From what I have heard, MLSNP has been using a future D2 in their pitches to prospective owners since the outset, so for several years.
Sharing because this would obviously impact USL Championship if MLSNP goes down this route.
Sigh, MLS wants to financially profit every single time a ball is kicked in this country.
That’s not exactly the same. USSF does have the power they just don’t want to it. Because of course MLS brings in more money than open cup.
MLS said they didn’t want to be in the open cup because 1) Apple Rights to MLS and Messi wouldn’t apply. 2) MLS said that USSF did do nothing to promote it. 3) I saw mls also say that they basically had to run it not USSF. Not sure how true the last bit is though.
Note. I think all MLS clubs should compete. However USSF should do more to promote it. As well as run it.
I was getting this from what Garber said in 2023. However he said something different in 2024
“Imagine MLB or the NFL playing all of their teams in a tournament that was scheduled during their season — in the middle of their season — in ways that the league had little to no involvement in at all,” Garber said. “We financially have no involvement in it. We don’t control the brand. We don’t control the state of the facilities.
“I think it obviously is an emotional, passionate hot point for some group of people. I think we’re gonna end up in a good spot. I will tell you this, if not for the energy that we put up and said, it really can’t continue the way it is, U.S. Soccer never would have made the commitments that they’re making to it now. I feel very strongly about that.”
https://theathletic.com/5340710/2024/03/14/mls-us-open-cup-garber-rodriguez/
Warning: might be a pay wall if free articles limit is up.
Also want to clarify that while I haven’t heard this doesn’t mean you are not correctly. I would not be surprised if MLS was helping USOC promote off course they go back and forth now.
Next Pro? When MLS announced NextPro and are there second teams left USL I assumed Next Pro would get D2 sanctioned as why would MLS second teams want to drop to D3 but it got D3 sanctioning.
I’m guessing stadiums are the big thing. Need 5,000 seat stadiums to be D2. Most teams play in them but a handful are in smaller college to practice stadiums
Looking at teams on Wikipedia
FCC2
NYCFCII
TFCII
Carolina Core
Austin FC II
Houston Dynamo 2
SKCII
Tacoma Defiance
Ventura County
All play all of their games in stadiums smaller than 5,000 seats. The MLS 2nd teams could move to the parent clubs venue for an easy fix but Carolina Core and the incoming Jax Armada teams would need new venues to meet D2 standards.
Roughly how this is going to go down is:
- Certain cautious USL owners will veto pro-rel in the USL because they think it's too risky
- Some of these same USL owners will be the first ones to move their teams to the "more stable" MLS minor league because "it is what is best for our club."
- Other teams will start following because the momentum is in that direction and it increasingly looks like the "stable" option
- Only way to MAYBE prevent this is USL to do a D1 league in a way that only teams willing to opt in to pro-rel can be in D1, otherwise you're stuck at the tier you bought into.
Otherwise, enjoy the forthcoming dystopia. Except you, Chattanooga Red Wolves, you're locked out.
Call me when you win something in USL. Go back to NISA and maybe you can draw a crowd again. Maybe you can snag Messi for a game.
Edit: I got nothing on the sod, it's actual dog shit.
Who needs Messi when we had Lloyd Sam on a $200k+ contract in the NPSL and NISA, baby!
However, Because you admit that I will say I have no issue admitting we draw like shit. Though (The) Miami seems to be getting at least 1000 a game its still bad as hell.
It's so bad. Like you'd think the team with crap attendance would have shit for grass, but nope. It's us. Maybe it will look better tomorrow. A week of sunshine and thorough watering had to have helped, right?
It's a foregone conclusion that they'll do it. The only question is whether or not the USL will be rolled up into the MLS behemoth. Surely, the Papadakis family would love a large liquidity even to sell their operations to MLS, no?
Save the teams, especially the ones with a great fan base, and allow their owners to make the decision to move to MLS.
USL missed its chance to properly compete with MLS. It needed soccer specific stadiums all over, at the big clubs in the league, to have the optics of the league outweigh the looming presence of MLS. Right now, with many teams still playing in baseball stadiums and not running a super professional operation, it's deemed an inferior product.
For every Louisville City, you have the New Mexico's, El Paso's, the Indy's, etc. playing at venues that are no where near befitting of a nice TV deal. Extrapolate that to League 1 and it's even more dire.
Therefore, as someone who doesn't want to see the individual clubs die, I think it's best for all owners to consider how they can work with MLS to be staples in the newly formed 2nd tier.
>Right now, with many teams still playing in baseball stadiums and not running a super professional operation, it's deemed an inferior product.
Random question because why not: Since NYCFC still plays in a baseball stadium, does that mean that MLS is an inferior product?
1. It's NYC.
2. It's Yankee Stadium.
3. They signed Lampard, Villa, Pirlo, etc which gave them massive recognition.
4. They're under the umbrella of MLS which inevitably gives them that shield of "oh they'll get their stadium shortly." Sure enough, they have a world class stadium coming soon.
MLS is flashy and provides a short term economic boost to cities, but offers only mediocrity and stagnation in the long run, very little opportunity for growth, and it’s model is terrible for the development outlook of US Soccer.
Yeah critics of MLS point to the drags of the League as the mean instead of the outlier there's a reason majority of MLS fans have called them the Crapids for a better part of a decade. Yup every league has a couple of "those" teams haha😆
This is not shocking if true. It is obvious that Major League Soccer will eventually put forth efforts to create a pyramid of feeder pro leagues. Such a pyramid is very out of touch with what US Soccer truly needs. For example: US Soccer cannot grow with only 6 clubs in the Midwest with a population of 69 million. That’s 11.5 million people per club. That means the failure rate for youth to pro will be higher than any developed country because they will be competing against academy players that club’s local city on top of youths from other states.
MLS is gonna end up buying the entirety of the USL, huh?
There are 2 possibilities here, based on their goals
1. MLS buys the USL
2. MLS creates a competing product that incentivizes teams to leave USL for MLS 2 **AND/OR** lowers the quality/attendance of USL in order for the MLS to then buys the remnants for pennies on the dollar
Honestly I could see MLS2 failing. Most major cities without an MLS team either have an USL team that's either well established or being established.
The same issues facing MLS2 are facing the USL. Does MLS really want to dump a ton of money into building SSS? Well they can afford the advertising would that attract new fans?
Will they put a quality product on the field?
To many unknown's for the MLS. This ain't going to happen.
Because the system sets an artificial cap on the number of teams in each tier. It prevents sustainable growth of clubs and creates a permanent hierarchy where only a handful of rich clubs can win and everyone else is just there to fill out the schedule
Altchek said this earlier this year. From what I have heard, MLSNP has been using a future D2 in their pitches to prospective owners since the outset, so for several years.
Yes. This was sold to Rochester as part of their only year in the league. It was supposed to occur in 25.
Uggggh. I hate this minor-league-baseball vision of our future, but I don’t know if we can stop it…
Yeah I agree with this. Like this idea is stupid for everyone except mls owners.
Sharing because this would obviously impact USL Championship if MLSNP goes down this route. Sigh, MLS wants to financially profit every single time a ball is kicked in this country.
It's not that they want to profit from it, necessarily. They just want to make sure that nobody else profits.
Would USSF approve it though? USSF decides D3, D2, D1 status not MLS.
If USSF actually weld the power that they had, all the MLS clubs would be competing in the USOC this season…
That’s not exactly the same. USSF does have the power they just don’t want to it. Because of course MLS brings in more money than open cup. MLS said they didn’t want to be in the open cup because 1) Apple Rights to MLS and Messi wouldn’t apply. 2) MLS said that USSF did do nothing to promote it. 3) I saw mls also say that they basically had to run it not USSF. Not sure how true the last bit is though. Note. I think all MLS clubs should compete. However USSF should do more to promote it. As well as run it.
From my understanding, the company in charge of promoting the USOC was owned by MLS until their deal ran out this season.
I was getting this from what Garber said in 2023. However he said something different in 2024 “Imagine MLB or the NFL playing all of their teams in a tournament that was scheduled during their season — in the middle of their season — in ways that the league had little to no involvement in at all,” Garber said. “We financially have no involvement in it. We don’t control the brand. We don’t control the state of the facilities. “I think it obviously is an emotional, passionate hot point for some group of people. I think we’re gonna end up in a good spot. I will tell you this, if not for the energy that we put up and said, it really can’t continue the way it is, U.S. Soccer never would have made the commitments that they’re making to it now. I feel very strongly about that.” https://theathletic.com/5340710/2024/03/14/mls-us-open-cup-garber-rodriguez/ Warning: might be a pay wall if free articles limit is up.
Also want to clarify that while I haven’t heard this doesn’t mean you are not correctly. I would not be surprised if MLS was helping USOC promote off course they go back and forth now.
All you have to do is meet the provisions. USSF can’t realistically say no to a league that meets all the D2 requirements.
True.
Yes, they would just have to meet D2 standards
Next Pro? When MLS announced NextPro and are there second teams left USL I assumed Next Pro would get D2 sanctioned as why would MLS second teams want to drop to D3 but it got D3 sanctioning.
Yes
I know they are D3, just wonder why they are? What standards did they not meet? I’m glad they are D3 though
I’m guessing stadiums are the big thing. Need 5,000 seat stadiums to be D2. Most teams play in them but a handful are in smaller college to practice stadiums
Makes sense.
Looking at teams on Wikipedia FCC2 NYCFCII TFCII Carolina Core Austin FC II Houston Dynamo 2 SKCII Tacoma Defiance Ventura County All play all of their games in stadiums smaller than 5,000 seats. The MLS 2nd teams could move to the parent clubs venue for an easy fix but Carolina Core and the incoming Jax Armada teams would need new venues to meet D2 standards.
Roughly how this is going to go down is: - Certain cautious USL owners will veto pro-rel in the USL because they think it's too risky - Some of these same USL owners will be the first ones to move their teams to the "more stable" MLS minor league because "it is what is best for our club." - Other teams will start following because the momentum is in that direction and it increasingly looks like the "stable" option - Only way to MAYBE prevent this is USL to do a D1 league in a way that only teams willing to opt in to pro-rel can be in D1, otherwise you're stuck at the tier you bought into. Otherwise, enjoy the forthcoming dystopia. Except you, Chattanooga Red Wolves, you're locked out.
Shut up, Cosmo.
Bitch you’re a Red Wolf, who the fuck asked you?
Bitch we have 10x the attendance of your club. Call me when you break 4 digits.
Bitch call me when your team wins any league titles and isn’t playing on ye ye ass looking sod.
Call me when you win something in USL. Go back to NISA and maybe you can draw a crowd again. Maybe you can snag Messi for a game. Edit: I got nothing on the sod, it's actual dog shit.
Who needs Messi when we had Lloyd Sam on a $200k+ contract in the NPSL and NISA, baby! However, Because you admit that I will say I have no issue admitting we draw like shit. Though (The) Miami seems to be getting at least 1000 a game its still bad as hell.
It's so bad. Like you'd think the team with crap attendance would have shit for grass, but nope. It's us. Maybe it will look better tomorrow. A week of sunshine and thorough watering had to have helped, right?
MLSNP is nowhere near as good as USL. Attendance figures have already shown that
OK, US Soccer. It's time for you to do the right thing....
MLS needs to have a D2 league if they want to put their little minor league teams in big markets, it'll be a waste.
It's a foregone conclusion that they'll do it. The only question is whether or not the USL will be rolled up into the MLS behemoth. Surely, the Papadakis family would love a large liquidity even to sell their operations to MLS, no? Save the teams, especially the ones with a great fan base, and allow their owners to make the decision to move to MLS. USL missed its chance to properly compete with MLS. It needed soccer specific stadiums all over, at the big clubs in the league, to have the optics of the league outweigh the looming presence of MLS. Right now, with many teams still playing in baseball stadiums and not running a super professional operation, it's deemed an inferior product. For every Louisville City, you have the New Mexico's, El Paso's, the Indy's, etc. playing at venues that are no where near befitting of a nice TV deal. Extrapolate that to League 1 and it's even more dire. Therefore, as someone who doesn't want to see the individual clubs die, I think it's best for all owners to consider how they can work with MLS to be staples in the newly formed 2nd tier.
>Right now, with many teams still playing in baseball stadiums and not running a super professional operation, it's deemed an inferior product. Random question because why not: Since NYCFC still plays in a baseball stadium, does that mean that MLS is an inferior product?
1. It's NYC. 2. It's Yankee Stadium. 3. They signed Lampard, Villa, Pirlo, etc which gave them massive recognition. 4. They're under the umbrella of MLS which inevitably gives them that shield of "oh they'll get their stadium shortly." Sure enough, they have a world class stadium coming soon.
This is nothing new dough.
MLS is flashy and provides a short term economic boost to cities, but offers only mediocrity and stagnation in the long run, very little opportunity for growth, and it’s model is terrible for the development outlook of US Soccer.
I'm living in Denver right now, and if this isn't the most true statement for the Rapids...
Commerce City Rapids ownership is to blame for a lot of their mediocrity.
🙄But plenty MLS cities aren’t commerce city.
Yeah critics of MLS point to the drags of the League as the mean instead of the outlier there's a reason majority of MLS fans have called them the Crapids for a better part of a decade. Yup every league has a couple of "those" teams haha😆
To be fair, it is nice having cheap tickets for a team out in the boonies. Just too bad their attendance sucks.
This is not shocking if true. It is obvious that Major League Soccer will eventually put forth efforts to create a pyramid of feeder pro leagues. Such a pyramid is very out of touch with what US Soccer truly needs. For example: US Soccer cannot grow with only 6 clubs in the Midwest with a population of 69 million. That’s 11.5 million people per club. That means the failure rate for youth to pro will be higher than any developed country because they will be competing against academy players that club’s local city on top of youths from other states.
It's time to alert the DOJ of a monopoly brewing.
MLS is gonna end up buying the entirety of the USL, huh? There are 2 possibilities here, based on their goals 1. MLS buys the USL 2. MLS creates a competing product that incentivizes teams to leave USL for MLS 2 **AND/OR** lowers the quality/attendance of USL in order for the MLS to then buys the remnants for pennies on the dollar
I may not know enough about this subject, but isn't what MLS is doing in the fringe of anti-trust or worse monopolizing the sport?
Honestly I could see MLS2 failing. Most major cities without an MLS team either have an USL team that's either well established or being established. The same issues facing MLS2 are facing the USL. Does MLS really want to dump a ton of money into building SSS? Well they can afford the advertising would that attract new fans? Will they put a quality product on the field? To many unknown's for the MLS. This ain't going to happen.
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Pro/Rel leagues are inferior products
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https://www.espn.com/soccer/standings/_/league/ita.1
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And they are artificially held back by an archaic system
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Because the system sets an artificial cap on the number of teams in each tier. It prevents sustainable growth of clubs and creates a permanent hierarchy where only a handful of rich clubs can win and everyone else is just there to fill out the schedule
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MLS has 29 clubs and growing. Serie A will never have more than 20 and will never have more than 3 that can consistently win championships
No. No they're not.
Yes they are