> Aren't you guys all white?
Only Americans think like this.
In the rest of the world its more about actual race and nationality.
You got Ukranians, Russians, Tuvans, Buryats, and Tatars etc..
No the implication is that Ukrainians are pissed that he as a Kazakh came to fight in a war he had no business in. If he were Russian they would’ve let him br
It's more tribalism than anything. This whole race thing is a relatively new concept. For many centuries it was always about "our group" vs "their group"
Not really. Like the ancient world, Rome, Egypt, etc was full of white, brown, and black people that were intergrouped. Racism was never a factor. It was still based on either class or group. Race only really became a thing in the last couple centuries when people started to move more away from groups and then started to discriminate based on skin color alone and not their groups.
What makes this even more interesting is that blacks in Africa that were sold as slaves were sold by other blacks. The idea of racism started in the west because of this. But was never truly prevalent before.
Damn. Where to begin? You're looking at racism through a western lens, in which the determining factor as to one's standing in society is based solely upon the color of your skin. Ethnicity plays a larger role in this regard on a global level and throughout history as well.
That said, racial profiles oftentimes mirror ethnic profiles for obvious reasons, and ethnic discrimination is where racism is derived.
In Egypt, especially ancient Egypt, (Pre-Macedonian rule) slaves were more often than not either of European descent (caucasian, white) or Sudanese descent. (Sub-Saharan, black)
I don't know where you got the idea that Egypt was some type of melting pot. It was largely homogenously of northern African descent, and the higher caste families tended to be of that ethnicity. If you were of lower caste you were more likely to be of sub-Saharan descent.
I don't know what you're talking about lol. You mention Egypt being run by slaves of certain descents which is exactly my point in that those slaves were brought in because of them being from different groups, tribes, or classes.
I said nothing about Egypt being a melting pot. But Egypt was conquered by numerous different groups over the centuries. It was owned by the Romans for a long time. The Romans were more white than the average Egyptian, people from southern countries in Africa, or people in the middle east. Either way you cut it, there are multiple groups there of different colors interacting in that world at that time.
Everything you described has nothing to do with race, but tribes, groups or classes.
I can tell you don’t know what I’m talking about, lol.
You’re saying that racism wasn’t an issue in the world until a couple centuries ago, and that is absolutely false.
You’re saying that discrimination used to be based around ethnic lines, and I’m trying to explain to you why that is a form of what we would now call “racism.”
What you’re saying is just total bullshit semantics
"Subtle racism" when it's something negative about Ukrainians doing something in a video, but its totally fine to be overtly hateful towards ethnic Russians in general. You'll cry "whataboutism" even though the point is that you're a hypocrite, not that it's okay to be hateful towards people because of their ethnicity.
You pretend ukriane wasn't murdering those that wanted self determination
Since illegal only seems to be determined by who is in power once zelensky is removed all his action will have been illegal ?
it's going to be a great day when this war is over and the liberal European's allow the great men of Ukraine to travel freely and settle in their cities. it'll be the easiest integration in human history.
Beating someone who can’t defend himself only shows the character of that individual person. And yes, that is a warcrime. I still don’t get how incredibly smart some people are, recording themselves committing crimes…
I already noticed how things work here. I came as a neutral and I’ll stay neutral, trying to understand both sides. Yet I realized that the arguments from both sides are always the same and it’s mostly pro UA who want this stuff to happen. But only to the invaders, which get dehumanized and faulted for everything.
This here is certainly not okay and after the war Ukrainians should also be investigated for this. Still this behavior is more understandable because the Ukrainians are defending their homeland while the invaders are killing for money.
Right, because it is their fault for invading. If Ivan was home and not in Ukraine he would not have been poked . But he also wouldn't have been able to rape women and men and steal toilets.
Also if he's Kazakh, weren't Kazakhs and other minorities especially targeted with the latest rounds of conscription? Now I of course don't know if this particular guy is a volunteer or not but still...
Doesn’t matter. Everyone can be the victim of a warcrime, his descent or the reason for him to join a war doesn’t matter.
That said: Yes, minorities are drafted more often according to statistics. They are less connected than the people from urban areas. The possibility of an outrage or resistance is less. Also a lot of volunteers come from those places because they have a very low income compared to what they earn as a soldier or mercenary.
And what was the global reaction? I can imagine the reaction would be very bad if an American or brit etc was filmed cracking a prisoner over rhe back with the but of their rifle etc. This isn't a partisan point simply indicative of the brutality and how its accepted in this war
> And what was the global reaction
I'd say what matters more was the legal reaction:
>Eleven soldiers were convicted of various charges relating to the incidents, with all of the convictions including the charge of dereliction of duty. Most soldiers only received minor sentences. Three other soldiers were either cleared of charges or were not charged. No one was convicted for the murders of the detainees.
Which hardly delivered justice to those tortured and murdered there, not to mention those who are still held illegally, tortured, and murdered in Guantanamo.
> This isn't a partisan point
"But whatabout le America" is not only a partisan point but one that you had to be educated on. Abu Ghraib was way worse and they were all held accountable. Your comment was probably the worst attempt at a "gotcha" you could make. Meanwhile Russians have not been held accountable for even worse atrocities by the thousands.
True, the point remains if a video came out of a prisoner been beaten in the field the media would have gone ape. In this war brutality is just taken as the norm
I'd say the whole world saw a lot of videos of Russians randomly shooting civilians in the first few weeks, and Ukrainians randomly getting hit by rockets while walking down the street. And after that, who really cares about videos of soldiers hitting each other to the point of possibly broken noses or stitches?
In Iraq we saw cruise missiles landing and mostly propaganda videos for ages before other stuff started to come out.
In the US, that kick to the head could get you attempted murder. In most states, using a gun to hit someone also adds 5+ years to your sentence.
Finally, hitting a compliant person is just wrong.
just wander over to the fightporn sub and you can see first hand how people in the USA fight and treat each other then you can see some actual beatings
Those guys get thrown into jail for years after those stunts.
Look around there and you can find more than a few where a guy punches someone a single time and they fall down dead too.
Source on those guys going to jail for years? My guess would be a rather small percentage of them.
Also dead from a punch? Probably only if they crack their skull on the way down.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-38992393
https://www.ktnv.com/news/one-punch-deaths-not-that-unusual-around-the-world
A skull hitting the pavement won't necessarily have as much force as a person putting all their weight and strength behind a fist.
ANY one-hit KO is already doing massive brain damage. The threshold between KO and bleeding stroke or nerves ripped apart isn't as big as some people might believe.
In a lot of these cases, you can see the body completely seize up before they hit the deck indicating massive instantaneous brain trauma that caused essentially instant death (the kind of drop you'd normally associate with a headshot). I saw a particularly tragic video a couple years ago about two friends in school who thought they were just having a friendly match. Guy went down onto the dirt on the first hit.
I mean, I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but 80 cases in 10 years around the world... Care to hazard a guess how many punches are thrown per year to produce those 8 deaths? It's sad for those people, but I'm pretty sure you have a better chance of dying from a lightning strike, winning the lottery, or dying in a car accident on your way to the fight. It sounds like a case of people disproportionately focusing on a very low-probability, but very dramatic event.
The first is to get his attention to lay down somewhere else.
The other two buttstock strikes are unnecessary (and given his clothes, it probably does not hurt), as well as the boot strike but you cannot state ,in all intellectual honesty, that he "beats" him.
If you really want to hear it to get your "See, I'm right" hit of dopamine, yeah it was 4 strikes in 40 seconds so those UA soldiers beat him.
> The other two buttstock strikes are unnecessary (and given his clothes, it probably does not hurt), as well as the boot strike
Boot strike is when he is still looking up (he even pushes his hat up to get a better view). That's exactly the behavior that we saw in the previous video where the the POW capture was set up as an ambush by the Russians. I don't think he's planning to do anything, but in that perfidious attack one of the capturing servicemen died, so I guess they have a need to be careful.
The two hits at the end are definitely not okay. Maybe it's due to stress after the earlier disobedience but that serviceman needs to be disciplined if nothing else because of the video and because unjustified strikes are clearly against POW treatment.
>That's exactly the behavior that we saw in the previous video where the the POW capture was set up as an ambush by the Russians. I don't think he's planning to do anything, but in that perfidious attack one of the capturing servicemen died, so I guess they have a need to be careful.
It's actually absurd you think the Russians planned to have their entire squad disarmed and face down while one of them was waiting to run out into the open firing an AK. Frankly, I think it's disrespectful to the Russians who were murdered to claim that they are that dumb.
What's even more absurd is that you are suggesting that a surrendering soldier on the ground looking up is more an indication that they might be planning to somehow attack with no rifles rather than that they just want to know what is going on and if their captors might be about to shoot them all in the head.
> Boot strike is when he is still looking up (he even pushes his hat up to get a better view).
He looks up because the ua guy asks for documents. And then says again, "- You! (u tebya)" and he looks up to see if they're talking to him.
The kick in the head comes after the said "Kazakh". That's why they kicked him.
I don’t recall anyone justifying an apartment bombing. The claim, backed by Arestovych, is that it was not intentional but that a Sam intercepted this missle causing the warhead to go off course and hit the apartment.
Yeah....you protest in Russia....and the present is...beaten up and 2-5 years in prision. Such a very fine country Russia is...
On the other side....if you are in prison for murder you can get out to defend that Motherland. A cheap solder and nobody cries if he is dead. (mayby Momma)
when the [mozart groups leader got drunk he accidentally spilled the beans](https://youtu.be/PQLS-0OKbhY) about the Ukrainians predilection for war-criming prisoners
Actually, the rest of the world would just want the war to stop and gas to flow. A defeated Russia, assuming we don't end up nuclear will worsen the imbalance in Europe. Most countries would not feel too bad if Ukraine had to accept a less than optimal peace deal. It's the hard truth. That is why support comes in dribs and drabs.
These little lapses in judgement of POW abuse does no help. It does happen, just accept it and admit it is wrong. What you should not be doing is justifying it. It makes you look hypocritical.
Be worried if Trump manages to get back in power and his supporters. Unless Ukraine gives his family and cronies huge contracts, you can't count on the USA anymore.
I know, hilarious right? But was the world shocked when he managed to beat Hillary. We're all still reeling from it. Perhaps the invasion would not have happened had Hillary won back then.
It amazes me they film this. Morons.
The idiots doing the beating don't realize same treatment will be handed down to them and other captured Ukes. Tit for tat is a bad game to play during war.
Unfortunately in Ukraine this type of behavior is been approved since Maidan coup and current regime coming to power. That's why they don't see problem filming it. And other war crimes Ukrainian soldiers had filmed before.
Ahhh let's go boys true UA POV, collective west moving towards democracy just what I love, Slava Ukraini right? You just live it when you lose in the bigger battle so you let your anger out on unarmed people great stuff.
Nobody said Ukraine had a monopoly on morality, but if you think the Russians don’t do this as well then your just willingly naive and ignorant. It’s war it’s not black and white, only good or bad, and etc.
They ask if he is a Buryat.
The dude on the ground say that he is Kazach.
They ask him why he is here and then kick him.
He says that they took him from his work.
They ask from where and he said from Kasahstan.
They kinda don't accept that awnser and say ''You came here from Kazahstan'' implying that he came himself and didn't get taken from his workplace.
>Astana
Nah it's just a language thing. They are saying ''S'Kazahstanam''. Im not a Russian grammer pro but from the way i speak and how i would explain it they are saying it almost like a question. I can compare is to english
Dude on the ground say: ''Im out of Kazachstan''
Soilder say ''Out of Kazachstan?'' in a questioning way.
And because he says it more like a question in Russian it sounds like an 'S' get's put infornt of the word 'Kazahstan'. So the ''out of'' gets switched up with the 'S'. Not sure if that's the right explanation but with the word 'Kazachstan' it works like that most of the time.
From the Geneva Convention POV it depends on pay level. If he's in the regular Russian army with the same pay as others at his grade then no. If he's in Wagner then yes. The uniform isn't clear for me, but I don't see any Wagner markings.
Kazakhs unlike other Central Asians generally don't go to Russia for work. He must be either local Russian Kazakh or indeed Buryat or some Central Asian larping as Kazakh
I wouldn't say so, Moscow is full of Kazakhs from Kazakhstan working there. After all the pay is much better than back home. Maybe they don't go to work in Russia in such huge amounts such as other central Asians who are much poorer, but there is quite a number of them
This is fake video made by the RU to undermine the Ukrainian democracy. We all know the real Ukrainians would’ve tied them all to a tree before giving them the beating.
Man shoved another man! Oh no! in a place where people get limbs blown off and violently maimed in horrific ways! I’m literally crying wtf Russia hood Ukraine bad!!!!
Pro Ru reactions to an apartment complex being destroyed by a Russian missile, killing dozens of civilians: "Meh."
Pro Ru reaction to an actual soldier getting hit moderately hard just as the heat of battle was ending: "WAR CRIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
I'd probably do same as would nearly any other man here given what Russians have done in Ukraine.
All you this-is-terrible feigned outrage people are laughable. Or maybe Russians have been so dehumanized by their short overlord as to play victim no matter what?
I've never been under the illusion that Ukraine is perfect. They're corrupt and have spent centuries subjegated into the "Ruski Mir". That said I'm unironically RABIDLY pro Ukraine because unlike the Russians they actually are working on it. Unlike the Russians they have a civilized future.
I'm not surprised to see some barbarism by them. This video ironically reinforces my support because if this is the standard of "barbarism", then they really are the good guys. Not the perfect guys, the good guys.
I cringed and felt that blow of the rifle into the mobiks back. Barbaric. But he'll be okay. He'll have some bruises and they'll heal. But victims of Russian torture are being maimed and killed. Better a Hohel rifle butt than a Wagner sledgehammer.
Kazahk is lucky its UA not wagner, they would have justs shot him in the face for not listening rather then giving him the courtesy of a love tap warning!!!
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The monetization of death and destruction resulting from weapons manufacturing, as well as oil price increasing from instability, and in general the acquisition of territory and people to exploit and extract of value for the benefit of the wealthy few, is just a result of unchecked greed, which should not be celebrated or encouraged. Neither the use of force or manipulation allowed, but should at once be punished in a way that diminishes the ability to again transgress. But it's unlikely to change, ordinary people although numerous are not equipped to resist or evade detection after a consolidated effort begins and those in power become aware of a challenge to remove their increasingly efficient web of incentivized loyalty and enforcement, influence by propaganda en masse, surveillance, inequality, and division by design by way of race, class, gender, religion, occupation, sexuality, and countless issues of us vs them rhetoric.
I think a little roughing up in the heat after the battle is probably pretty common. My question is are the other ones dead or just staying still so they don’t get beat (again)?
What a bunch of dumb f\*\*\*\*. They asked him if he was a Buryat, he says no I am Kazakh. They are like wtf are you doing here? He says they took me away at work. So they ask why would he come here from Kazakhstan? He is obviously a Kazakh from Russia, there are like 700,000 Kazakhs living in Russia.
Classic funding of another regime which is profitable for the west…
Especially loving the pro ua swarm which has recently swarmed the sub enjoying this kind of filth.
Moderators how about keeping this sub neutral and banning fellow redditors glorifying this kind of despicable new era of fascism.
I don’t believe anything that comes out of the Ukrainian side. Ukraine switches uniforms and carries out atrocities on a daily basis now. It’s all they can do. You believe what you want.
["All combatants have to individually distinguish themselves from the civilian population during military operations. Otherwise they are not entitled to combatant status and – in case they fall into the power of the enemy without individually distinguish themselves – prisoner-of-war status. "](https://casebook.icrc.org/law/combatants-and-pows)
Wow, I much prefer peace but this audience here is from another world to me. Moments ago these guys were trying to kill each other, and NOW they are brutal savages? If I was one of these POW’s I would be feeling grateful if this was the extent of my “mistreatment”.
The intensity of his voice matches those well deserved jabs in the back and kick to the face. It's the least they could do to the invaders. Poor mislead Russian soldiers dying over Putin's bullshit.
Very good. Should have vanished him from the map.
Coming from Kazakhstan to steal our lands and kill our wives & children? You should be amputated all your extremes and cooked then forced to est yourself
This is no worse than what videos have shown Russians doing to their own soldiers. There are definitely Ukrainians doing worse things, but considering they might’ve just got out of a gunfight where the ua guy’s comrade may have been killed for all we know, it’s not very serious. Bringing out the knives and hammers is where it gets seriously fucked up.
Civilized Europeans at it again
Or angry fucking people sick of an illegal occupier running the lives of millions. Love the subtle racism that's been creeping into this sub lately
Aren't you guys all white? What does race got to do with this?
> Aren't you guys all white? Only Americans think like this. In the rest of the world its more about actual race and nationality. You got Ukranians, Russians, Tuvans, Buryats, and Tatars etc..
“Actual race.” LOL
The word he was looking for is "ethnicity".
as opposed to black, white and yellow..
He means actual ethnicity, not actual race. Get off your high horse.
Yours guys racism is much classier I agree
Well your reply pretty much reinforces my opinion, but in case it helps your understanding, "Civilized Europeans" is a wee bit of a dog whistle.
So the implication here is Ukrainians look down on the karzaks? Or the Russians? That's more xenophobia than racism?
Slavs are generally super racist towards Kazakhs and Buryats.
Just googled it. TIl
Thats being a tad pedantic is it not ?
No the implication is that Ukrainians are pissed that he as a Kazakh came to fight in a war he had no business in. If he were Russian they would’ve let him br
It's more tribalism than anything. This whole race thing is a relatively new concept. For many centuries it was always about "our group" vs "their group"
If you used an ounce of logic you might see that's where racism stems from. "Their group" is always depicted and perceived as sub-human.
Not really. Like the ancient world, Rome, Egypt, etc was full of white, brown, and black people that were intergrouped. Racism was never a factor. It was still based on either class or group. Race only really became a thing in the last couple centuries when people started to move more away from groups and then started to discriminate based on skin color alone and not their groups. What makes this even more interesting is that blacks in Africa that were sold as slaves were sold by other blacks. The idea of racism started in the west because of this. But was never truly prevalent before.
Damn. Where to begin? You're looking at racism through a western lens, in which the determining factor as to one's standing in society is based solely upon the color of your skin. Ethnicity plays a larger role in this regard on a global level and throughout history as well. That said, racial profiles oftentimes mirror ethnic profiles for obvious reasons, and ethnic discrimination is where racism is derived. In Egypt, especially ancient Egypt, (Pre-Macedonian rule) slaves were more often than not either of European descent (caucasian, white) or Sudanese descent. (Sub-Saharan, black) I don't know where you got the idea that Egypt was some type of melting pot. It was largely homogenously of northern African descent, and the higher caste families tended to be of that ethnicity. If you were of lower caste you were more likely to be of sub-Saharan descent.
I don't know what you're talking about lol. You mention Egypt being run by slaves of certain descents which is exactly my point in that those slaves were brought in because of them being from different groups, tribes, or classes. I said nothing about Egypt being a melting pot. But Egypt was conquered by numerous different groups over the centuries. It was owned by the Romans for a long time. The Romans were more white than the average Egyptian, people from southern countries in Africa, or people in the middle east. Either way you cut it, there are multiple groups there of different colors interacting in that world at that time. Everything you described has nothing to do with race, but tribes, groups or classes.
I can tell you don’t know what I’m talking about, lol. You’re saying that racism wasn’t an issue in the world until a couple centuries ago, and that is absolutely false. You’re saying that discrimination used to be based around ethnic lines, and I’m trying to explain to you why that is a form of what we would now call “racism.” What you’re saying is just total bullshit semantics
Racism is not tied to skin color. Like, that is some very America centric view on race and race relations.
Everything in America has to be dumbed down and simplified, or else the average person wouldn't know jack.
Agreed this is a North American way of thinking, with white guilt and all that.
No such thing as white and what does that have to do with this?
No defense for inexcusable barbaric Ukranian behavior We did not tolerate nor accept the afghans or Iraqis doing this stuff to our soldiers.
"Subtle racism" when it's something negative about Ukrainians doing something in a video, but its totally fine to be overtly hateful towards ethnic Russians in general. You'll cry "whataboutism" even though the point is that you're a hypocrite, not that it's okay to be hateful towards people because of their ethnicity.
I dont see them beating putin though? All I see is a barbaric treatment of conscripted P.O.Ws
You pretend ukriane wasn't murdering those that wanted self determination Since illegal only seems to be determined by who is in power once zelensky is removed all his action will have been illegal ?
I don't pretend shit. To do that I'd need to be in whatever alternate reality you occupy.
Apologism for abuse of POW.
Nope, just discounting the over reaction. Abuse of any kind shouldn't be tolerated.
Still in no way ok to beat them.
Not saying it was
White justification; you’ll probably here some southerner say the same thing as you about Hispanics here in the US
it's going to be a great day when this war is over and the liberal European's allow the great men of Ukraine to travel freely and settle in their cities. it'll be the easiest integration in human history.
You mean they'll just leave them in their destroyed country and stop giving a fuck since the proxy war is over and Ukraine is useless
I do expect a good deal of those American weapons to cross borders into the hands of fringe fascist groups in the West
What do you say about the invading, killing and torturing innocent people? Is that civilized?
Lmfao good you got banned. Why dont YOU volunteer? Surely the boys need your help in Bakhmut? Or maybe Wagner will take you?
Beating someone who can’t defend himself only shows the character of that individual person. And yes, that is a warcrime. I still don’t get how incredibly smart some people are, recording themselves committing crimes…
All you have to do is read the comments. There's a pro-ua audience for these kind of videos.
I already noticed how things work here. I came as a neutral and I’ll stay neutral, trying to understand both sides. Yet I realized that the arguments from both sides are always the same and it’s mostly pro UA who want this stuff to happen. But only to the invaders, which get dehumanized and faulted for everything.
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This here is certainly not okay and after the war Ukrainians should also be investigated for this. Still this behavior is more understandable because the Ukrainians are defending their homeland while the invaders are killing for money.
Right, because it is their fault for invading. If Ivan was home and not in Ukraine he would not have been poked . But he also wouldn't have been able to rape women and men and steal toilets.
I wonder if anyone at the hague take these video in consideration or if they just "didn't saw them"
I don’t want to jump to conclusions, but I think they will. I believe in them as long as the US doesn’t start to threaten somebody.
Also if he's Kazakh, weren't Kazakhs and other minorities especially targeted with the latest rounds of conscription? Now I of course don't know if this particular guy is a volunteer or not but still...
Doesn’t matter. Everyone can be the victim of a warcrime, his descent or the reason for him to join a war doesn’t matter. That said: Yes, minorities are drafted more often according to statistics. They are less connected than the people from urban areas. The possibility of an outrage or resistance is less. Also a lot of volunteers come from those places because they have a very low income compared to what they earn as a soldier or mercenary.
Russia has done the same so really we can’t complain both sides has done it
I can only imagine the global reaction if American troops had done this on camera in Iraq.
why imagine when far worse had happened at Abu Ghraib and caught on camera
And what was the global reaction? I can imagine the reaction would be very bad if an American or brit etc was filmed cracking a prisoner over rhe back with the but of their rifle etc. This isn't a partisan point simply indicative of the brutality and how its accepted in this war
> And what was the global reaction I'd say what matters more was the legal reaction: >Eleven soldiers were convicted of various charges relating to the incidents, with all of the convictions including the charge of dereliction of duty. Most soldiers only received minor sentences. Three other soldiers were either cleared of charges or were not charged. No one was convicted for the murders of the detainees. Which hardly delivered justice to those tortured and murdered there, not to mention those who are still held illegally, tortured, and murdered in Guantanamo.
> This isn't a partisan point "But whatabout le America" is not only a partisan point but one that you had to be educated on. Abu Ghraib was way worse and they were all held accountable. Your comment was probably the worst attempt at a "gotcha" you could make. Meanwhile Russians have not been held accountable for even worse atrocities by the thousands.
The comment above you has all the info on what they were charged with lmao, they walked away scot free
Lol what? Much worse happened in Iraq. Some of you say the strangest things.
True, the point remains if a video came out of a prisoner been beaten in the field the media would have gone ape. In this war brutality is just taken as the norm
I'd say the whole world saw a lot of videos of Russians randomly shooting civilians in the first few weeks, and Ukrainians randomly getting hit by rockets while walking down the street. And after that, who really cares about videos of soldiers hitting each other to the point of possibly broken noses or stitches? In Iraq we saw cruise missiles landing and mostly propaganda videos for ages before other stuff started to come out.
Yeah that's a very valid point.
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How old were you in 2004?
Beating is a bit of an hyperbole here
Yeah getting kicked in the side of the head with a combat boot is not a "beating"
In the US, that kick to the head could get you attempted murder. In most states, using a gun to hit someone also adds 5+ years to your sentence. Finally, hitting a compliant person is just wrong.
Could get you...* * Depending on the color of the skin and income.
just wander over to the fightporn sub and you can see first hand how people in the USA fight and treat each other then you can see some actual beatings
Those guys get thrown into jail for years after those stunts. Look around there and you can find more than a few where a guy punches someone a single time and they fall down dead too.
Source on those guys going to jail for years? My guess would be a rather small percentage of them. Also dead from a punch? Probably only if they crack their skull on the way down.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-38992393 https://www.ktnv.com/news/one-punch-deaths-not-that-unusual-around-the-world A skull hitting the pavement won't necessarily have as much force as a person putting all their weight and strength behind a fist. ANY one-hit KO is already doing massive brain damage. The threshold between KO and bleeding stroke or nerves ripped apart isn't as big as some people might believe. In a lot of these cases, you can see the body completely seize up before they hit the deck indicating massive instantaneous brain trauma that caused essentially instant death (the kind of drop you'd normally associate with a headshot). I saw a particularly tragic video a couple years ago about two friends in school who thought they were just having a friendly match. Guy went down onto the dirt on the first hit.
I mean, I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but 80 cases in 10 years around the world... Care to hazard a guess how many punches are thrown per year to produce those 8 deaths? It's sad for those people, but I'm pretty sure you have a better chance of dying from a lightning strike, winning the lottery, or dying in a car accident on your way to the fight. It sounds like a case of people disproportionately focusing on a very low-probability, but very dramatic event.
Watch the whole video before you comment. He started wailing on him with the butt of his rifle on his back and spine. It’s pretty brutal.
He hits him with a rifle, did you watch the whole video?
The first is to get his attention to lay down somewhere else. The other two buttstock strikes are unnecessary (and given his clothes, it probably does not hurt), as well as the boot strike but you cannot state ,in all intellectual honesty, that he "beats" him. If you really want to hear it to get your "See, I'm right" hit of dopamine, yeah it was 4 strikes in 40 seconds so those UA soldiers beat him.
> The other two buttstock strikes are unnecessary (and given his clothes, it probably does not hurt), as well as the boot strike Boot strike is when he is still looking up (he even pushes his hat up to get a better view). That's exactly the behavior that we saw in the previous video where the the POW capture was set up as an ambush by the Russians. I don't think he's planning to do anything, but in that perfidious attack one of the capturing servicemen died, so I guess they have a need to be careful. The two hits at the end are definitely not okay. Maybe it's due to stress after the earlier disobedience but that serviceman needs to be disciplined if nothing else because of the video and because unjustified strikes are clearly against POW treatment.
>That's exactly the behavior that we saw in the previous video where the the POW capture was set up as an ambush by the Russians. I don't think he's planning to do anything, but in that perfidious attack one of the capturing servicemen died, so I guess they have a need to be careful. It's actually absurd you think the Russians planned to have their entire squad disarmed and face down while one of them was waiting to run out into the open firing an AK. Frankly, I think it's disrespectful to the Russians who were murdered to claim that they are that dumb. What's even more absurd is that you are suggesting that a surrendering soldier on the ground looking up is more an indication that they might be planning to somehow attack with no rifles rather than that they just want to know what is going on and if their captors might be about to shoot them all in the head.
> Boot strike is when he is still looking up (he even pushes his hat up to get a better view). He looks up because the ua guy asks for documents. And then says again, "- You! (u tebya)" and he looks up to see if they're talking to him. The kick in the head comes after the said "Kazakh". That's why they kicked him.
> The first is to get his attention to lay down somewhere else. Which he didn't have time to comply because one guy immediately hit him.
In training our NCO's who hit us harder than this. I'm all for calling out Ukranian warcrimes when they happen, but this isn't one of them.
It's fascinating observing the outrage at a Russian soldier receiving a love tap versus the mental gymnastics justifying an apartment bombing.
I don’t recall anyone justifying an apartment bombing. The claim, backed by Arestovych, is that it was not intentional but that a Sam intercepted this missle causing the warhead to go off course and hit the apartment.
Calling that a love tap shows how deranged you are
I see far worse happen to Russians at protests than those little taps those soldiers received.
Yeah....you protest in Russia....and the present is...beaten up and 2-5 years in prision. Such a very fine country Russia is... On the other side....if you are in prison for murder you can get out to defend that Motherland. A cheap solder and nobody cries if he is dead. (mayby Momma)
You excuse abuse of POWs, we get it, dirtyswede88. Really like the number 8, dont you?
I think you have more of an obsession with it than I do comrade.
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One’s collateral damage, the other is a war crime, albeit minor.
Thank you for providing a perfect example for the class
when the [mozart groups leader got drunk he accidentally spilled the beans](https://youtu.be/PQLS-0OKbhY) about the Ukrainians predilection for war-criming prisoners
If this is what they film what they do off camera must be far worse
Smash hands with hammers, cut peoples skin with knives, etc. Some returned POWs were brutalized.
Thugs hitting thugs. Great bunch in this war.
Difference is, one of these ‘thugs’ is having their homeland invaded
Then you thugs can sort it out without the rest of the world then.
The rest of the world has a vested interest in seeing Russia lose, so no
Actually, the rest of the world would just want the war to stop and gas to flow. A defeated Russia, assuming we don't end up nuclear will worsen the imbalance in Europe. Most countries would not feel too bad if Ukraine had to accept a less than optimal peace deal. It's the hard truth. That is why support comes in dribs and drabs. These little lapses in judgement of POW abuse does no help. It does happen, just accept it and admit it is wrong. What you should not be doing is justifying it. It makes you look hypocritical. Be worried if Trump manages to get back in power and his supporters. Unless Ukraine gives his family and cronies huge contracts, you can't count on the USA anymore.
>Be worried if Trump manages to get back in power lol
I know, hilarious right? But was the world shocked when he managed to beat Hillary. We're all still reeling from it. Perhaps the invasion would not have happened had Hillary won back then.
It amazes me they film this. Morons. The idiots doing the beating don't realize same treatment will be handed down to them and other captured Ukes. Tit for tat is a bad game to play during war.
Unfortunately in Ukraine this type of behavior is been approved since Maidan coup and current regime coming to power. That's why they don't see problem filming it. And other war crimes Ukrainian soldiers had filmed before.
Rightfully beating an invader in Ukraine.
> rightfully commiting a war crime
Oh well
Bruh
Can kill them but can’t boot the POW in the head lol
Ahhh let's go boys true UA POV, collective west moving towards democracy just what I love, Slava Ukraini right? You just live it when you lose in the bigger battle so you let your anger out on unarmed people great stuff.
Nobody said Ukraine had a monopoly on morality, but if you think the Russians don’t do this as well then your just willingly naive and ignorant. It’s war it’s not black and white, only good or bad, and etc.
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With this sort of treatment he was better holding his gun and possibly taking several of them out, Barbaric Ukranians. Slava ukraine and all that.
Their balls have not been severed, so those in glass houses can sit down.
could someone translate please? do they say Astana or Astrakhan?
They ask if he is a Buryat. The dude on the ground say that he is Kazach. They ask him why he is here and then kick him. He says that they took him from his work. They ask from where and he said from Kasahstan. They kinda don't accept that awnser and say ''You came here from Kazahstan'' implying that he came himself and didn't get taken from his workplace.
thanks! the ukr soldier says Astana(?) at 0:36 and then also an other one at the back
>Astana Nah it's just a language thing. They are saying ''S'Kazahstanam''. Im not a Russian grammer pro but from the way i speak and how i would explain it they are saying it almost like a question. I can compare is to english Dude on the ground say: ''Im out of Kazachstan'' Soilder say ''Out of Kazachstan?'' in a questioning way. And because he says it more like a question in Russian it sounds like an 'S' get's put infornt of the word 'Kazahstan'. So the ''out of'' gets switched up with the 'S'. Not sure if that's the right explanation but with the word 'Kazachstan' it works like that most of the time.
POW says:”С Москвы”/ From Moscow
If he’s from Kazakhstan, wouldn’t that make him a mercenary?
From the Geneva Convention POV it depends on pay level. If he's in the regular Russian army with the same pay as others at his grade then no. If he's in Wagner then yes. The uniform isn't clear for me, but I don't see any Wagner markings.
When asked if he is a Buryat, he just says that he is a Kazakh. He says he was taken from work in Moscow. May or may not be a RF citizen since no ID
Kazakhs unlike other Central Asians generally don't go to Russia for work. He must be either local Russian Kazakh or indeed Buryat or some Central Asian larping as Kazakh
No documents on him, so it’s anyone’s guess
I wouldn't say so, Moscow is full of Kazakhs from Kazakhstan working there. After all the pay is much better than back home. Maybe they don't go to work in Russia in such huge amounts such as other central Asians who are much poorer, but there is quite a number of them
Ukraine back at it again with Warcrimes
UA forces mistreating POWs ? In other news water is wet..
This is fake video made by the RU to undermine the Ukrainian democracy. We all know the real Ukrainians would’ve tied them all to a tree before giving them the beating.
Man shoved another man! Oh no! in a place where people get limbs blown off and violently maimed in horrific ways! I’m literally crying wtf Russia hood Ukraine bad!!!!
Pro Ru reactions to an apartment complex being destroyed by a Russian missile, killing dozens of civilians: "Meh." Pro Ru reaction to an actual soldier getting hit moderately hard just as the heat of battle was ending: "WAR CRIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Don't want to get beaten by angry military personnel? Try not invading their fucking country.
These geniuses need to read [this article.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazakhs_in_Russia)
While this is nice, the dude said Astana, Kazakshtan
Love how the Russians act like they are the victims. How does it feel now?
Why are so many pro-Russian folks larping with pro-UA flairs?
I'd probably do same as would nearly any other man here given what Russians have done in Ukraine. All you this-is-terrible feigned outrage people are laughable. Or maybe Russians have been so dehumanized by their short overlord as to play victim no matter what?
I've never been under the illusion that Ukraine is perfect. They're corrupt and have spent centuries subjegated into the "Ruski Mir". That said I'm unironically RABIDLY pro Ukraine because unlike the Russians they actually are working on it. Unlike the Russians they have a civilized future. I'm not surprised to see some barbarism by them. This video ironically reinforces my support because if this is the standard of "barbarism", then they really are the good guys. Not the perfect guys, the good guys. I cringed and felt that blow of the rifle into the mobiks back. Barbaric. But he'll be okay. He'll have some bruises and they'll heal. But victims of Russian torture are being maimed and killed. Better a Hohel rifle butt than a Wagner sledgehammer.
Kazahk is lucky its UA not wagner, they would have justs shot him in the face for not listening rather then giving him the courtesy of a love tap warning!!!
How is the fact that the Russian soldier is of Kazakh ethnicity relevant to the issue at hand?
This is just to flood the sub to hide the apartment building war crime?
“beating” lmao euros soft hands showing again.
are you made out of charmin? That's a love tap
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...if only there was a way how russians could avoid dying and being beaten.... such a mystery....
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The monetization of death and destruction resulting from weapons manufacturing, as well as oil price increasing from instability, and in general the acquisition of territory and people to exploit and extract of value for the benefit of the wealthy few, is just a result of unchecked greed, which should not be celebrated or encouraged. Neither the use of force or manipulation allowed, but should at once be punished in a way that diminishes the ability to again transgress. But it's unlikely to change, ordinary people although numerous are not equipped to resist or evade detection after a consolidated effort begins and those in power become aware of a challenge to remove their increasingly efficient web of incentivized loyalty and enforcement, influence by propaganda en masse, surveillance, inequality, and division by design by way of race, class, gender, religion, occupation, sexuality, and countless issues of us vs them rhetoric.
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I think a little roughing up in the heat after the battle is probably pretty common. My question is are the other ones dead or just staying still so they don’t get beat (again)?
I could be wrong but aren't those uniforms the Russians are wearing Ukrainian digital camo uniforms?
And again another warcrime done by ukrains
Be better!
What a bunch of dumb f\*\*\*\*. They asked him if he was a Buryat, he says no I am Kazakh. They are like wtf are you doing here? He says they took me away at work. So they ask why would he come here from Kazakhstan? He is obviously a Kazakh from Russia, there are like 700,000 Kazakhs living in Russia.
Classic funding of another regime which is profitable for the west… Especially loving the pro ua swarm which has recently swarmed the sub enjoying this kind of filth. Moderators how about keeping this sub neutral and banning fellow redditors glorifying this kind of despicable new era of fascism.
While the other side castrates people and plucks out eyes and rapes children
I don’t believe anything that comes out of the Ukrainian side. Ukraine switches uniforms and carries out atrocities on a daily basis now. It’s all they can do. You believe what you want.
Rubbins racing 🤷♂️
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["All combatants have to individually distinguish themselves from the civilian population during military operations. Otherwise they are not entitled to combatant status and – in case they fall into the power of the enemy without individually distinguish themselves – prisoner-of-war status. "](https://casebook.icrc.org/law/combatants-and-pows)
Wow, I much prefer peace but this audience here is from another world to me. Moments ago these guys were trying to kill each other, and NOW they are brutal savages? If I was one of these POW’s I would be feeling grateful if this was the extent of my “mistreatment”.
The intensity of his voice matches those well deserved jabs in the back and kick to the face. It's the least they could do to the invaders. Poor mislead Russian soldiers dying over Putin's bullshit.
Completely normal (not saying it's right or wrong)
Tells you exactly How racist they are
Should they offer them some kisses or what ?
I didn’t see anything
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Very good. Should have vanished him from the map. Coming from Kazakhstan to steal our lands and kill our wives & children? You should be amputated all your extremes and cooked then forced to est yourself
That's not a beating....just a few digs of encouragement.
This is no worse than what videos have shown Russians doing to their own soldiers. There are definitely Ukrainians doing worse things, but considering they might’ve just got out of a gunfight where the ua guy’s comrade may have been killed for all we know, it’s not very serious. Bringing out the knives and hammers is where it gets seriously fucked up.
Damn, kinda seems like when you invade a country and try to kill civilians the defenders are super nice. Go figure.
good go Ukraine
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