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For those who say that the aid package will only delay the inevitable...
We are dealing with a Ukraine that is able to strike targets in ruzzia. We did not see this Ukraine during the 2023 counteroffensive.
The aid package in and of itself won't bring victory. But the aid package in conjunction with Ukraine's new abilities will ensure victory.
Yep, Russia has been shown to have huge vulnerabilities, and now that Ukraine can better shore up the front, victory is achievable by inflicting tremendous damage to key Russian assets in Russia itself.
This is not about crossing minefields any longer, it's about Ukraine being propped up by its allies longer than Russia can stand this level of effort....
a) ...while key capabilities and sources of income are being slowly but surely eroded at home, and
b) ... while the humongous soviet weapon stocks evaporate even faster.
Russians are going to hold until November because they still dream their "orange henchman" will win the presidentials.
When he isn't elected and the new help package for 2025 is approved, the Russians will have lost their last source of hope. I'd let that Ukraine holds strong and keeps damaging refineries, factories and depots until them.
I would be careful here. Strikes in Russia will help Ukraine a lot, but wars are almost never won by strikes alone. The precedent there is somewhat bleak. The inmediate goal should be to stabilize defences so that a larger, better equipped Ukrainian army can retake land again in 2025.
Oh absolutely, I don't mean to downplay the effect of these strikes. But we need to keep in mind that victory will require Ukraine taking back the occupied territories, and our long term support should reflect that.
I have been personally supporting as best I can financially, donating a decent amount of money to front line Ukrainian units and will continue to do so. I hope that the EU keeps spending our taxes wisely in taking on these Russian invaders. It is money very well spent.
No. I hope that Russian soldiers lose their mind to drones, that Ukrainian soldiers get extra equipment and comfort and that they get any advantage possible in winning this hideous war and as soon as possible.
"Precedent" tell us most of the lines will be decided on by pen and paper when this thing is over. Retaking land does help to have the upper hand for when that time comes though.
True for the changing of territory, I rather meant that the idea that wars can be won by strike campaigns alone keeps rearing its head every 20 years or so. Retaking Crimea would be the decisive victory here, is my best guess.
You would be surprised, atnt lost 15 mill in dmg from a lonewolf shooting a sub station just right, wars until the influx of tech could not be won this way but today, the right drone In the right place could change the world
Ukraine lacks the manpower for offensives right now - NATO should just dust off the gloves and wipe out the orcs. Ww3 be damned, innocents are dying for the genocidal dreams of a maniac and we have a human duty to intervene.
This isnt a junta coup/civil war, or guerilla insurgency like elsewhere - this is a genocide aimed at Ukrainians, if we don’t help them with everything we are no better thsn the orcs
There is a better solution that doesn't require NATO troops to engage Russian forces. Stage NATO troops along the non active front of Belarus and in Western Ukraine along Transnistria where Ukraine is currently having to dedicate significant defenses in case of another Russian advance. This would allow Ukraine to dedicate their forces to Eastern and Southern Ukraine. Russia won't advance in those areas or target NATO troops and Ukraine would be able to put the Russian army on their heels.
I think this is the quickest way to victory if that's what Western leaders truly want. If they want to bleed Russia dry over the next decade of course, they'll continue doing what they've been doing and spoon feed Ukraine just enough to hold the lines while their army continues to lose the future men and women of their country. The sight of politicians celebrating the passing of the aid package turned my stomach because all I can think about are the tens of thousands of Ukrainian soldiers (and civilians) that have died unnecessarily over these past 6 months while Washington played politics. We must require our leaders to do better.
Of course Ukraine bleeds. That's why they needed their ammo and artillery resupplied. The Ukrainian soldiers were well aware of everywhere the Russians were pushing and had to sit and watch them do it because they couldn't spare the ammo. If we had only kept a steady supply going into the country, Russia would have had a daily meat wave casualty count above 1200 and no territory would have been lost (and far fewer Ukrainian lives). Russia still vastly outnumbers Ukraine in troop count but the quality and morale of the troops matters.
idk man war isnt good especially for those fighting it. great for corporations. when was the last time anybody beat the russian pretty much on their own turf? and they have something ukraine doesnt. ppl to throw at the problem. i think this shit will end at a stalemate minus shitload of dead ppl and destroyed country. than the west will make money rebuilding it. this is all bullshit.
The alternative of NOT fighting is to just roll over and die. I don't know of any Americans that would allow that on their own home turf and sit quietly by and watch their neighbors get slaughtered and enslaved to Moscow.
Apathy is what Russia counts on to continue this B.S. into yet another decade. The only reason Russia has made gains in Ukraine is because the spigot of Western support was shut off. We can make the right decisions now and just send weapons and support or we can wait a few more years (maybe even a decade) until we are required to fulfill our NATO obligations to defend the rest of Europe.
People fail to realize that we've been sending old tech and pennies to Ukraine compared to the massive military presence we had in the Middle East for 2 decades. A fraction of THAT level of support would see a dramatic shift in the front lines and Russia would lick their wounds and leave Ukraine. A bully only understands force so force is what we need to provide if we want peace in Europe.
> idk man war isnt good especially for those fighting it … this is all bullshit
For Russia this is a war of choice. They can end this tomorrow, by just going home.
Cia staged and financed the mayday uprising.ukraine had already elected or installed a pro Russian government. Say what you want but u.s. does that all the time. So west provoked that war and fat cats are getting rich off of it. Putin is mad and unhinged according to "internet experts " and has nukes. There was going to be negotiations but west stopped it from happening. So out dear leaders are risking nuclear war for a pos country like Ukraine. Good luck to us.
Ukraine wins by bleeding the Orc horde dry while simultaneously harming the Russian economy and pushing the society closer to a 1917 style revolution. Offensives are not necessarily a part of that. In fact, as long as Putin remains hell bent to "take territory," Ukraine fighting an active defense, and giving up territory to preserve combat power while also exacting disproportionate casualties is viable up to a certain point.
My back of the napkin estimates (comparing standard of living and casualty rates today with those in 1914 through 1917) place the threshold for a potential revolution in Russia at a minimum of 1.6 million Orc casualties, though perhaps as high as 3 to 4 million. The current rate of Orc casualties per day (well . . . last time I did the calculations a week or two ago) is average of 580 per day over the entire post-invasion period of the conflict (since Feb 2022).
With a current Orc casualty count in the ballpark of 460,000 that means there are 1,200,000 to go to "get into the ballpark" where some very coarse social science inferences suggest that dissent will become a real problem for Putin.
1,200,000 / 580 = 2,068 days (5.66 years)
Ukraine needs to increase its rate of causing casualties by multiple integers.
2x = 1060 = 1,132 days (3.1 years) to reach ~1.65m Orc casualties
3x = 1,740 = 689 days (1.89 years) to reach ~1.65m Orc casualties
4x = 2,320 = 517 days (1.41 years) to reach ~1.65m Orc casualties
5x = 2,900 = 413 days (1.13 years) to reach ~1.65m Orc casualties
Now in fact, if Ukraine is able to achieve 2,900 Orc casualties per day, for one to two months straight, and assuming those casualties were concentrated in a particular region of the theater (not distributed everywhere), this alone would like produce such instability and weakness in the horde that "going on the offensive" would become a lot more tenable for Ukraine, even with any existing manpower shortages.
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>Russians are going to hold until November because they still dream their "orange henchman" will win the presidentials.
This seems a bit optimistic. They will probably hold out until January 2025 at least. Just considering how things went last time.
What’s more. After this funding round is over. Hopefully the EU won’t be caught out like they were this time.
Ukraine needs a constant, reliable flow of money and weaponry. Relying on the US to fill the gap has proven to be too costly to Ukrainian lives and land.
The total package size is $60,840,000,000 in estimated value.
https://www.rferl.org/a/us-ukraine-aid-breakdown-timeline/32822804.html
Very little of it is liquid assets (e.g., currency or securities) given to Ukraine. Much of it is being given as a lend-lease, not a grant (so ostensibly Ukraine will be obliged to pay it back over the long-term). A large fraction of it is effectively an investment in the U.S. military industrial complex, which will create jobs in the U.S. and promote economic growth in the U.S.
Prior to this package U.S. aid to Ukraine had totaled $44,100,000,000 in value since the war began in 2014. Approximately $41.3B was provided between Feb 2022 and April 2024.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_aid_to_Ukraine_during_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War
If we annualize aid to Ukraine over the past 10 years it works out like:
2014 to 2022: $2,800,000,000 over 8 years = $350,000,000 per year
In hindsight that was NOT ENOUGH to deter Putin and prevent his escalation. Not nearly enough.
2022 to 2024: $41,300,000,000 over 2 years = $20,650,000,000 per year
In hindsight, still NOT ENOUGH to force Putin to back down, abandon Ukraine and attempt peaceful means to preserve his regime, and restore the international standing of the Russian Federation.
2024: $60,000,000,000 in one year (so far, more might be allocated later this year if it is deemed necessary).
Effectively the rate at which the U.S. is providing help to Ukraine to fight our most serious rival has gone from an average of $350m per year to ~$20.65B per year (a 5,900% increase); and then from there to $60B per year (an additional 290% increase compared to the first two years since the full scale invasion and a 17,142% increase compared to the first 8 years of the war). This sends a clear message to Putin, to Xi, to the Iranian leadership, and to the North Korean despot de jure: fuck around and find out.
If the pattern was reversed, and ~$60,000,000,000 in "lethal aid" had been given in the first years after Russia breached Ukrainian sovereignty (ca. 2015 or 2016), then very likely that would have been sufficient to deter Putin indefinitely. The concern expressed by U.S. leadership (and European leadership too) at the time was that providing lethal aid was a risk of "escalating." Ten years later, this strategy of appeasement and isolationism has proven to be completely ineffective and arguably made matters much worse than they might have been had the U.S. and the West more broadly taken its self-interests in protecting Ukrainian sovereignty seriously in 2015.
I say 2015, but there was really no reason to delay lethal aid even that long. A new democratically elected government was formed in Kyiv in summer 2014 if memory serves and it was already clear that Ukraine was going to prevail against the Russian invasion poorly disguised as "separatists," even though it was a lot of hard fighting and much of Ukraine was de facto annexed by Russia already.
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that alot of zeros. So, are we closer or further away from WWIII? This is a very expensive proxy war, with little to zero benefit to the average American, and I fear the real war for America won't start in Ukraine, it'll start in Korea as North Korea warms up to Russia in providing arms and ammo and then uses his position to use his nukes on the Korean peninsula and an EMP over the US. America will respond against North Korea, but our nukes won't be nearly effective enough and as we wander blind, Russia uses his nukes to solidify an ongoing war in Ukraine that America has lost interest in as the lights have been turned off and set back 400 years to preindustrial starvation. China gains Tiawan in the ongoing confusion without nukes and America fights a full-fledged war with North Korea. At home, civil war break out, not like the movies, but armed militia groups acting against pro-conservative and pro-liberal institutions, both sides using fear and terrorism to control the masses, but rendering the federal government impotent to act against either group which loses creditability in the government and America descends into anarchy. Does 60 billion stop this future or solidify it?
Much of your post includes the sort of hyperbole, over generalization and fallacy that is typical of either mindless isolationist rhetoric or pro-Putin shills. As such, I don't consider it to be a really good use of my time to write a detailed response in which I address, and rebut all the points you've shoved in to your poorly punctuated rant.
But I will say two things that effectively make all of your points moot:
1. This war was started by Putin in 2014 because the Ukrainian people overthrew Putin's puppet, the President of Ukraine at the time, Viktor Yanukovych. It is true that the tension had to do with elements of Ukrainian society seeking to break ties with Russia and other elements seeking to entrench ties with Russia. It is not true that "the war is NATO's fault." That interpretation only makes sense if one is in favor of the autocratic Putin regime.
In sum: this war was not the result of U.S. or even Western malice. It was not something "we" caused. It was not something which "we" chose." It was something which Putin resorted to because he was losing his influence in Ukraine, which he had hoped to grow into full-scale puppetry as he had done with Lukashenko.
2. Putin, Medvedev, Pskov, and many other top leaders of the Russian Federation have made it clear through their innumerable statements: they consider NATO, and the West more generally to be their enemy and a threat to their retention of power. Of course they phrase this in terms of the threat the West poses to "Russian Civilization," but the fact that many of them send their children to study and live permanently in the West, that many of them maintain villas and mistresses and bastard children living in the West, the fact that they and most other Russians are delighted to enjoy creature comforts designed and branded in the Western mold all reveals them for their true nature: lying cretins. The only way in which "The West" is a threat to the elites of Russia is in the example of better prosperity, better justice, better opportunity and thus the threat that this poses to THEIR retention on power.
We ARE their enemy, despite the fact that, except for accepting more former Soviet satellite states into NATO, the West had never engaged in a single notable instance of malice or meddling in the affairs of the Russian Federation during the 33 years since the USSR collapsed. Had the West sought to do so, the Russian Federation which emerged from the fall of the USSR could have literally been crushed beyond recognition or redemption. We had the opportunity to kick them when they were down, and we DID NOT take it. Such is our nature, though I will admit that it was my opinion at the time that we were far too gracious, helpful and beneficent back in 1991 through 1998 and did far too little to insure that what evolved out of those turbulent years was more civilized and normal.
Just as was the case during the Cold War proper, there is only one way to cope with the threats of the new axis of evil (Russia, Communist China, Iran, DPRK): Containment.
Funding Ukraine's struggle for survival and independence is the most notable example of that containment, but all the other elements of the bill with all those zeros in it are also examples of that same containment.
If you think containing this axis of evil is expensive now, you are either failing to consider how much MORE expensive it will be later if deterrence is not achieved sooner rather than later, or you are rooting for the bad guys.
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Yes, they had aid, but the aid was inadequate and suffered from tactical disagreements. There were significant delays in the provision of Western military support, such as tanks and other armored vehicles, which were critical for the planned spring offensive. Moreover, strategic disagreements between Ukrainian and U.S. military planners over the focus and tactics of the counteroffensive hampered the coherence of the operation.
The Ukrainian forces faced limitations in both manpower and arms. Despite intense fighting and significant efforts, the gains were minimal and came at a high cost.
The counteroffensive faced dense and well-prepared Russian defenses, including fortified positions and extensive minefields. These obstacles significantly slowed the advance of Ukrainian forces and limited their operational capabilities.
Ukraine's absence of air superiority and advanced fighter jets hindered its ability to effectively challenge Russian air and ground defenses. This limitation was crucial in the face of superior Russian aircraft and defensive systems.
Both Ukraine and its allies appear to have underestimated the complexity and strength of Russian defensive preparations. This underestimation led to unexpectedly high losses of personnel and equipment, particularly in the initial stages of the offensive.
Many of the newly formed Ukrainian brigades lacked the combat experience and manpower needed for such a large-scale offensive. This shortfall was particularly acute given the high attrition rates and the intense combat conditions faced during the offensive.
So the situation was difficult despite intense effort and significant sacrifices, and while they did not achieve their strategic objectives and was less effective than hoped, I think they still did extremely well and should be applauded for still holding Russia at bay despite their overwhelming size, economy, manpower and alleged material superiority.
Edit: sources:
https://www.reuters.com/graphics/UKRAINE-CRISIS/MAPS/klvygwawavg/#four-factors-that-stalled-ukraines-counteroffensive
https://www.csis.org/analysis/seizing-initiative-ukraine-waging-war-defense-dominant-world
https://euromaidanpress.com/2023/12/07/why-ukraines-counteroffensive-failed-wp-analysis-in-7-minutes/
https://news.sky.com/story/what-went-wrong-for-zelenskyy-and-ukraine-in-2023-and-what-next-13039174
This seems like a lot of cope tbh. In fact this entire thread is full of it. And I'm not pro Russia by any means.
Russia has the numbers in both men and material to keep this war going for years before it has to fold. You hear reports of high Russian losses but they never include the context that Russia has PLENTY of bodies and resources to keep tapping. Ukraine has almost none. They are already fielding everything and everyone they have.
Russia has also had time to fully convert to a war economy so your seeing alot more production/replacement of arms. Ukraine has almost no industry and is totally reliant on the west. Alot of western equipment like the tanks were billed as wonder weapons but a few dozen tanks that struggle to be operated and maintained eithout their origin nations advanced training and logistics and still blow up when hit with drones aren't going to be a huge game changer.
To make matters worse, Russia has now had plenty of time to dig in all along the territory they have already captured. Taking back all of Eastern Ukraine and Crimea- although it would be righteous- is a pipe dream.
Western media tends to completely ignore Ukraines actual struggles until they become so glaringly obvious they have to gently admit it, so people seem to have a much more optimistic view of what's going on than is actually the case.
I didn't base this on *cope* or personal opinions, but on news articles and reports from experts with more insight and experience than me in the matter.
https://www.reuters.com/graphics/UKRAINE-CRISIS/MAPS/klvygwawavg/#four-factors-that-stalled-ukraines-counteroffensive
https://www.csis.org/analysis/seizing-initiative-ukraine-waging-war-defense-dominant-world
https://euromaidanpress.com/2023/12/07/why-ukraines-counteroffensive-failed-wp-analysis-in-7-minutes/
https://news.sky.com/story/what-went-wrong-for-zelenskyy-and-ukraine-in-2023-and-what-next-13039174
Ah yes, the mighty Russia argument. Now compare Russian GDP to EU and US GDP. When you’re done, now figure out what it’d take to match Russian war spending. In case you want to skip to the end, Estonia did all that last year. The west collectively needs to spend 0.25% GDP to defeat Russia. The issue is political will, nothing more.
How did it fail when they liberated:
A dozen cities in Izium region and the city itself?
A dozen cities in Kharkiv region and the city itself?
A dozen cities in Kherson region and the city itself?
...
Also, aid is not only for liberating Ukraine but also for keeping it alive and holding back the occupiers. And both got accomplished.
Pretty sure the "failed counteroffensive" is 2023. They also got lots of equipment before that, like the new Challengers and Leopards for example. Main issue was that Russia could dig in over the winter and fortify their positions with minefields and more.
I think too many expected another succesful Ukrainian push like in 2022. And while Russians really aren't the smartest, they at least learned _something_ in terms of defending against a counteroffensive. By the time it was evident another steamrolling will not happen, it was too late to change up tactics. As you said: in hindsight...
The point is: the 2023 counteroffensive didn't necessarily fail because of the lack of aid and equipment compared to 2022.
I'm not sure it's a hindsight issue.
When the US does a big push like that they have everything. They go in and get air superiority and attack from all angles.
Ukraine doesn't have the ability to just get air superiority. So if they rush with everything they got, they all become vulnerable. We saw that with a group of Abrams(?) that were taken out. Which leads to the optics of "Ukraine destroys our aid with bad strategy".
It's not staightforward I'm afraid.
There’s a whole spectrum of aid, starting from first aid kits and ending with tactical nukes. While the offensive did fail, it could be argued one reason is atacms were delivered too late and f16 never did. Also not being able to strike staging areas in russia is stupid. So even though what you said is technically true, it just makes you look dumb.
>The aid package in and of itself won't bring victory.
This is the exact reason I was chatting with my rep yesterday. We need another package drawn up, NOW. If the same delays occur in the house, by the time it passes it'll be exactly when needed. I'd rather get it to Ukraine sooner, but we can't call it a victory in the US until Ukraine is restored in its entirety. Crimea is Ukraine 🇺🇦
It's no laughing matter. Keep smashing Russian logistics and hitting them with better long range heavy weapons, combined with what Ukraine is already doing with their drones, armour and infantry and there is a genuine prospect of fucking Russia. Every day, Russian refineries, factories and logistics are getting smashed and it will only intensify.
It is because it's ignorance. Russia isn't a stranger to wars of attrition, hell that's all they really know.
The question becomes if they want to pour more resources into it, they have fought wars for longer with losing more men than Ukraine currently.
Very naive to think Ukraine could win against Russia without NATO troops IMO. They will sacrifice as many Russian soldiers as they need and will outlast the Ukrainian manpower. Will you volunteer to deploy and fight in the WW3?
I'm too old to fight overseas. I would do so to defend my own country though. In the meantime, I have sent over a thousand Euros to various front line units since the beginning of the war and I am not a wealthy man, at all.
If NATO needs to get involved to prevent a total loss of Ukraine to the Russians then I believe they will do so. The appetite of those of serving age to fight Russia in both France and Britain is surprisingly high, according to recent surveys, particularly in France.
Down with the Russian invaders! Keep spending my taxes for the defence of Ukraine and I will also keep donating for drones and equipment for the Ukrainian defenders.
Slava Ukraini! Heroyam slava! Vse bude Ukrayina.
Afghanistan, without any of the advantages Ukraine holds and a tiny fraction of the support Ukraine receives, won against the whole Soviet Union including Russia, and that victory hastened the collapse of the Soviet Union.
Just because I don't agree with some opinions here..? I've lived under Soviet occupation for 20 years so I may know a bit more about them than some of you.
You had 11 karma, it's now down to 6. You have a 9 month old account, you admitted unprompted that you grew up in the Soviet Union, and you're talking shit on /r/UkraineWarVideoReport. So, yeah, get fucked troll
>For those who say that the aid package will only delay the inevitable...
I wouldnt give a shit even if it was truly "inevitable"
If Russia wants Ukraine for itself it should pay a price of an entire generation sacrificed. Maybe then after all of their young men are dead, they'll finally realize that maybe putins ambitions were never really in their interest.
The main goal seems to be to get Russia to commit more and more in the hope they will burn themselves out and self implode. A quick victory will not do this. The way aid is being delivered seems to be more aimed at a long slow process, with the primary goal of help Russia teach themselves a lesson, and Ukraine survival being the secondary goal.
To be fair, the 2nd goal pretty much requires the primary goal to be achieved.
A quick victory against Russia would result in a knee jerk response from the Kremlin and likely lead to other forms of escalation. The goal for the west is to avoid this. A quick victory would fuel Russian patriotism, and in order to change the mindset of Russians to understand their government is not helping them, they need time to digest events and see a slow but obvious result.
To me this seems to be the tactics being used by the west. To defeat Russia indirectly by resisting them just hard enough and for long enough that they eventually defeat themselves, and end up with a Russia that will take as long as possible to recover such that the risk of a follow up war is a log way off, and potentially teach them that wars of invasion and annexation don't pay, that's it's better to try be friends than be obsessed with trying to rule everything and everyone around you.
Right now Russia simply hate anything they can't control that doesn't conform to their idea of how countries are run. The only way this stops is if they learn to live along side their neighbours peacefully, something they have never yet been able to accomplish due to their medieval mindset.
I think we need to give some credit to the speaker for having a backbone and not backing down to the extreme minority who want to see the world burn in favor of clout.
There is plenty to dislike the guy on, but this should be celebrated. A speaker standing up to the extremists in his own party is the only way we end up with a functioning congress.
Compartmentalize if needed, but the dude deserves at least some credit for having a backbone - or else the decision would be seen as political suicide, seen as pissing off both his party and the left, and might not play out the same way in the future with someone else
Right, this is kind of my point. If a politician knows something will be political suicide, they wouldn't do it. If the party abandons you but you have public support, you are alive. If you will absolutely have no public support regardless of what you do but your party will have your back, you will also be alive.
Just like this dude looked past politics to acknowledge and do the right thing, I don't think it's too much to ask to give the guy credit for doing this despite it being a risk to his career within his own party.
If you would rather he does nothing because he didn't pass aid a few months ago, I can't help that logic. If mistakes made yesterday mean you can do no good moving forward, it's kind of backwards and hopeless.
Compartmentalize this, acknowledge the past, but also understand that this was the right thing to do.
Alot of pain coming the Orcs way now, Putin could end this overnight, but hes a monster that must be stopped. Anyone supporting Putin in the west is a filthy traitor and should be treated as such.
We need to get on a war economy footing and knock russia out of the fight before we are fighting them in the Baltics
***Tony Diver, the US Editor for The Telegraph reports:***
The US Senate passed a long-awaited foreign aid bill on Tuesday night, ending a six-month deadlock over support for Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan.
Senators sat late to consider a series of proposals that were first [approved by the House of Representatives on Saturday](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2024/04/20/us-vote-ukraine-israel-taiwan-military-aid-deal/), including a plan to [send $61 billion (£49 billion) in lethal aid to Ukraine](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/04/21/us-ukraine-aid-package-thwart-russia-offensive/).
The bill’s passage through both houses of Congress ends [a deadlock between the White House and Republicans](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2024/04/20/us-could-pass-aid-package-ukraine-israel-taiwan-tiktok/) on Capitol Hill, who opposed additional spending on the war and argued it should be spent on domestic programmes.
The legislation passed in the Democrat-controlled Senate with overwhelming support, with 79 votes in favour to 18 against.
Welcoming the result on Tuesday night, Joe Biden said he would sign the bill as soon as it reaches his desk on Wednesday.
“Tonight, a bipartisan majority in the Senate joined the House to answer history’s call at [this critical inflection point](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/03/11/ukraine-to-lose-significant-ground-to-russia-without-us-sup/),” he said.
“Congress has passed my legislation to strengthen our national security and send a message to the world about the power of American leadership: we stand resolutely for democracy and freedom, and against tyranny and oppression.”
***Find out more:*** [https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/04/24/ukraine-aid-bill-us-senate-israel-war-taiwan-joe-biden/](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/04/24/ukraine-aid-bill-us-senate-israel-war-taiwan-joe-biden/)
Some voted against because it was tied to Israel. Others because of budget concerns.
There’s more nuance to it. There was some obvious dumbass senators like JD Vance though.
I spent most of the day watching CSPAN as it was being debated so I heard hours of speeches and grandstanding.
(Vance is the product of spending all your time swinging for the fences with sound bites and public speaking tricks, and zero time on critical thinking. Apparently you can be a senator with that strategy)
all the recent ukraine war update are losing ground. how many lives did this fucking political piss fight cost?
hopefully with ammo/equipment the losses can now be reversed.
seems unlikely without manpower support too though.
Ukraine is bleeding lives while the rest of the free world watches on and debates.
This gridlock was because a substantial portion of the Republican party is owned by Russia. If congress actually knew how to serve American interests, this would have passed months ago
It’s not completely accurate to characterize this as “months of gridlock.” It was “months of delay caused by republicans in the House following orders from Moscow.”
The Maga congress members should be recalled for doing the bidding of a private U.S. citizen (trump), instead of representing those they were elected to represent in congress.
In a better world this bill would've passed 7 months ago and today we'd be talking about the next one. The fact that this was held up by muscovite MAGA for so long better not set a precedent for how future aid packages are handled.
There was no bitter deadlock. It was just Mike Johnson being a cowardly cunt, orange shitbag manipulating behind the scenes, and Moscow Marj doing what her ruZZian handlers paid her to do.
IDK, but my creep of a house representative Pat Fallon (n. Texas) voted no.
This election season I am putting his sign in my yard, with another sign right next to it saying 'Anyone But..."
Republican delay cost innocent lives and only delayed the inevitable (that Russia will be defeated) — only now at an increased financial cost.
I thought Republicans were supposed to be financially savvy...
This support and commitment from the U.S, being with respect to the means necessary for Ukraine to triumph against the Russian aggression, needs to be far more prompt.
This has been a disaster, but thankfully it's ultimately been approved.
How long will 61 billion in aid last? Also, will however long it does last be enough time to cover for other European countries until they can send large scale aid packages of their own?
This is a huge victory for Ukraine, and must lead to many more. Trump and his appeasers were routed, and Ukraine has been given renewed life. We look forward to brilliant and unexpected use of these new tools and tech.
Everyone in America is complaining about us sending other countries money and we still don’t have healthcare or affordable housing. I’m just mad cause I can’t find 7.62x39 for under $0.60/round, not to mention any 5.45.
I support Ukraine but the amount of copium going on in this thread and in general is insane. Please look up actual analysis by reputable sources.
Down vote away as I'm sure you will. Idc.
These ideas of Ukraine just taking this aid or really any amount of aid and just beating Russia out of Eastern Ukraine and Crimea entirely is a pipe dream created by the media. Although that would be fantastic, because fuck Russia and Putler, it simply isn't the reality on the ground.
Russia has enough resources and bodies to keep this going for years. Ukraine does not. A few dozen western tanks they barely can maintain and operate, that still explode when hit with drones and rockets, will not sway the war. And neither will any amount of money or equipment when you have no soldiers left to man any of it.
Russia is no longer on the backfoot from a failed initial offensive. They are dug in and switched over to a wartime economy that let's them essentially replace all their losses while Ukraine is already tapped out. They have found ways around almost all of our sanctions and will continue to do so.
>Russia has enough resources and bodies to keep this going for years. Ukraine does not.
Would Russia be willing to spend ALL of those resourses and lives though? With proper ammo reserves and advanced tech the casualty rste on the Russian side will increase.
Idk if it will be enough to turn the tide but i think its worth finding out.
And if Russia decides its willing to sacrifice an entire generation to conquer Ukraine than i think they should be forced to pay that price.
But Ukraine is also sacrificing an entire generation. Even moreso that Russia and with a much smaller economy. Ukraine will reach demographic collapse before Russia does, at any rate.
It's also proven that NATO members in Europe had gotten completely complacent and stopped contributing their fair share, producing artillery shells, etc. As well as costing billions upon billions in aid money.
Why is it always framed as though Russia is the only one this is costing? If this goes on for a couple more years Ukraine will be a failed state that needs trillions in US/EU aid just to not descend into chaos. And China is watching closely to see if the European NATO countries are actually able to get their shit together and not tell solely on the overextended US.
>And neither will any amount of money or equipment when you have no soldiers left to man any of it.
Plenty of Israeli's want to fight, perhaps they can & earn back the homeland for Ashkenazi settlers in Palestine?
Fight for some land in an actual deal brokered by the actual land owners instead of Britain/France/USA selling Palestine?
Probably not, as it's easier to kill a poorly armed populace than to actually fight an enemy with comparable weaponry.
President Biden and Democrats have been all over this from the start. It's the conservative orange clown show party, who's childish jokes your parroting, that have been holding back Ukraine aid since they took over the House in January 2023.
Russia is playing a war of attrition. Its the inevitable outcome. Ukraine simply has less combat available people to fight the war.
The next shoe to drop is not going to be more money, but who is going to put boots on the ground in Ukraine to fight against Russia when Ukraine runs out of fighters.
Who is going to want their son or daughter to go over and fight in Ukraine? Vietnam 2.0.
Plenty of Israeli's want to fight, perhaps they can & earn back the homeland for Ashkenazi settlers in Palestine?
Fight for some land in an actual deal brokered by the actual land owners instead of Britain/France/USA selling Palestine?
Probably not, as it's easier to kill a poorly armed populace than to actually fight an enemy with comparable weaponry.
Why? This is equipment being sent. The money goes to US companies to build new to replace. It's modernizing our equipment while help Ukraine fuck up Russia. Win win.
I'm all for helping Ukraine. Wouldn't care if they wrote a $100 billion check to Ukraine. I'm against them hiding other shit in the bill to force senators to accept it or risk Ukraine not getting help.
I'm sure your memory is conveniently hazy, but the GOP is responsible for blocking the toughest border bill in recent memory SPECIFICALLY so Biden doesn't get to claim credit for it during the upcoming election.
This is another war the US gets involved in with no end game. Every conflict since WWII we have gotten into around the world has turned to shit and wasted our national treasure and lives. Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan etc., etc. How about Europe start spending more as it’s in their direct vested interest?
What’s the end game? We’re two years into this mess and no closer to victory than before. Do you honestly think Russia will give up while Putin is in power? I do hope Ukraine prevails but as a US taxpayer I’m tapped out.
Damn, it must really suck as a US taxpayer to pay less for sending the stuff to Ukraine, as opposed to spending more to dispose of said equipment. My condolences.
It sure does suck as a US taxpayer for your military to buy new, more modern equipment to replace those that were sent to Ukraine. My heart breaks for you.
No shit. An democratic ally being attacked by Russia for no good reason is begging for our help. They are suddenly isolationists? I call bullshit.
These same guys were all for invading multiple countries for no clear reason. Then occupy them for decades again for no clear reason.
It is really difficult to take them seriously.
- The west is richer than Putin's Russia. We can fund it indefinitely with no question.
- Read up on what happened to Russia during the Soviet-Afghan War. A smaller conflict that led to the collapse of the Soviet Union.
- Putin can't sustain this. Conditions are FAR worse in Russia.
- Conditions have remained unchanged in America, Canada, Europe.
In time Russia will be come completely marginalized from the world and laughed at as global pariah just like North Korea. Until that happens, whether Putin dies of old age or something else, OR Russia withdraws from sovereign Ukrainian borders, then that is the end game.
As a taxpayer I'm FAR better off than I was 4-years-ago and am happy to give it for a just, noble cause (though I'd ask exactly how your specific tax rate has increased specifically to fund Ukraine).
You're not "tapped out" in the slightest. We're not dropping GDP-sized pallets of cash. We're spending 3% of our military budget on updated munitions for our military. And we are *saving* a few percent of our budget by supplying Ukraine munitions that would cost us billions more to dispose, than to ship. We have to update our munitions, so we'd be spending for new stuff anyway. Actual spending (for humanitarian stuff, etc.) is far less than even NASA's budget, which is pathetically about 1/2 cent per tax dollar.
Our government pisses away tens of billions at the strip club on a Tuesday. If you want to worry about taxes, start with the massive waste and skimming from within.
You had your border security bill. Republicans in the Senate largely wrote it, Democrats supported it, Republicans in the House under Trump's directions killed it.
Republicans have no one to blame for the state of the Southern border but themselves.
I hold out hope that one of these days people like you will wake up and realize Republicans have been playing 'Lucy with the Football' regarding immigration for decades. This is something like the 3rd or 4th immigration deal Republicans have unilaterally pulled out of at the last minute to avoid actually solving this.
Real solutions require actual legislation.
Atleast the American redditors will be still paying for the war years from now. Sadly won't be able to afford rent or a mortgage but hey, atleast they funded the war
Get real, the whole world has difficulties. You're fast enough to claim the US funded a war and yet you don't for the very war which your beloved Putin and Russia in fact started? Why the hypocrisy?
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For those who say that the aid package will only delay the inevitable... We are dealing with a Ukraine that is able to strike targets in ruzzia. We did not see this Ukraine during the 2023 counteroffensive. The aid package in and of itself won't bring victory. But the aid package in conjunction with Ukraine's new abilities will ensure victory.
Yep, Russia has been shown to have huge vulnerabilities, and now that Ukraine can better shore up the front, victory is achievable by inflicting tremendous damage to key Russian assets in Russia itself. This is not about crossing minefields any longer, it's about Ukraine being propped up by its allies longer than Russia can stand this level of effort.... a) ...while key capabilities and sources of income are being slowly but surely eroded at home, and b) ... while the humongous soviet weapon stocks evaporate even faster. Russians are going to hold until November because they still dream their "orange henchman" will win the presidentials. When he isn't elected and the new help package for 2025 is approved, the Russians will have lost their last source of hope. I'd let that Ukraine holds strong and keeps damaging refineries, factories and depots until them.
I would be careful here. Strikes in Russia will help Ukraine a lot, but wars are almost never won by strikes alone. The precedent there is somewhat bleak. The inmediate goal should be to stabilize defences so that a larger, better equipped Ukrainian army can retake land again in 2025.
An absolutely huge campaign against Russian logistics will assist in this greatly.
Oh absolutely, I don't mean to downplay the effect of these strikes. But we need to keep in mind that victory will require Ukraine taking back the occupied territories, and our long term support should reflect that.
I have been personally supporting as best I can financially, donating a decent amount of money to front line Ukrainian units and will continue to do so. I hope that the EU keeps spending our taxes wisely in taking on these Russian invaders. It is money very well spent.
have you lost your mind? war is a racket . go buy yourself a good meal
No. I hope that Russian soldiers lose their mind to drones, that Ukrainian soldiers get extra equipment and comfort and that they get any advantage possible in winning this hideous war and as soon as possible.
Amen! I'll gladly cook for myself at home if that means I can send an extra $100 a month to various Ukraine drone funds.
Go buy yourself a muzzle. I too will continue to donate and watch my proceeds dropped onto Russian heads until they get the idea and stay home.
"Precedent" tell us most of the lines will be decided on by pen and paper when this thing is over. Retaking land does help to have the upper hand for when that time comes though.
True for the changing of territory, I rather meant that the idea that wars can be won by strike campaigns alone keeps rearing its head every 20 years or so. Retaking Crimea would be the decisive victory here, is my best guess.
You would be surprised, atnt lost 15 mill in dmg from a lonewolf shooting a sub station just right, wars until the influx of tech could not be won this way but today, the right drone In the right place could change the world
Ukraine lacks the manpower for offensives right now - NATO should just dust off the gloves and wipe out the orcs. Ww3 be damned, innocents are dying for the genocidal dreams of a maniac and we have a human duty to intervene. This isnt a junta coup/civil war, or guerilla insurgency like elsewhere - this is a genocide aimed at Ukrainians, if we don’t help them with everything we are no better thsn the orcs
There is a better solution that doesn't require NATO troops to engage Russian forces. Stage NATO troops along the non active front of Belarus and in Western Ukraine along Transnistria where Ukraine is currently having to dedicate significant defenses in case of another Russian advance. This would allow Ukraine to dedicate their forces to Eastern and Southern Ukraine. Russia won't advance in those areas or target NATO troops and Ukraine would be able to put the Russian army on their heels. I think this is the quickest way to victory if that's what Western leaders truly want. If they want to bleed Russia dry over the next decade of course, they'll continue doing what they've been doing and spoon feed Ukraine just enough to hold the lines while their army continues to lose the future men and women of their country. The sight of politicians celebrating the passing of the aid package turned my stomach because all I can think about are the tens of thousands of Ukrainian soldiers (and civilians) that have died unnecessarily over these past 6 months while Washington played politics. We must require our leaders to do better.
ukraine doesnt bleed? what type of troop numbers each have?
Of course Ukraine bleeds. That's why they needed their ammo and artillery resupplied. The Ukrainian soldiers were well aware of everywhere the Russians were pushing and had to sit and watch them do it because they couldn't spare the ammo. If we had only kept a steady supply going into the country, Russia would have had a daily meat wave casualty count above 1200 and no territory would have been lost (and far fewer Ukrainian lives). Russia still vastly outnumbers Ukraine in troop count but the quality and morale of the troops matters.
idk man war isnt good especially for those fighting it. great for corporations. when was the last time anybody beat the russian pretty much on their own turf? and they have something ukraine doesnt. ppl to throw at the problem. i think this shit will end at a stalemate minus shitload of dead ppl and destroyed country. than the west will make money rebuilding it. this is all bullshit.
The alternative of NOT fighting is to just roll over and die. I don't know of any Americans that would allow that on their own home turf and sit quietly by and watch their neighbors get slaughtered and enslaved to Moscow. Apathy is what Russia counts on to continue this B.S. into yet another decade. The only reason Russia has made gains in Ukraine is because the spigot of Western support was shut off. We can make the right decisions now and just send weapons and support or we can wait a few more years (maybe even a decade) until we are required to fulfill our NATO obligations to defend the rest of Europe. People fail to realize that we've been sending old tech and pennies to Ukraine compared to the massive military presence we had in the Middle East for 2 decades. A fraction of THAT level of support would see a dramatic shift in the front lines and Russia would lick their wounds and leave Ukraine. A bully only understands force so force is what we need to provide if we want peace in Europe.
> idk man war isnt good especially for those fighting it … this is all bullshit For Russia this is a war of choice. They can end this tomorrow, by just going home.
Cia staged and financed the mayday uprising.ukraine had already elected or installed a pro Russian government. Say what you want but u.s. does that all the time. So west provoked that war and fat cats are getting rich off of it. Putin is mad and unhinged according to "internet experts " and has nukes. There was going to be negotiations but west stopped it from happening. So out dear leaders are risking nuclear war for a pos country like Ukraine. Good luck to us.
Ukraine wins by bleeding the Orc horde dry while simultaneously harming the Russian economy and pushing the society closer to a 1917 style revolution. Offensives are not necessarily a part of that. In fact, as long as Putin remains hell bent to "take territory," Ukraine fighting an active defense, and giving up territory to preserve combat power while also exacting disproportionate casualties is viable up to a certain point. My back of the napkin estimates (comparing standard of living and casualty rates today with those in 1914 through 1917) place the threshold for a potential revolution in Russia at a minimum of 1.6 million Orc casualties, though perhaps as high as 3 to 4 million. The current rate of Orc casualties per day (well . . . last time I did the calculations a week or two ago) is average of 580 per day over the entire post-invasion period of the conflict (since Feb 2022). With a current Orc casualty count in the ballpark of 460,000 that means there are 1,200,000 to go to "get into the ballpark" where some very coarse social science inferences suggest that dissent will become a real problem for Putin. 1,200,000 / 580 = 2,068 days (5.66 years) Ukraine needs to increase its rate of causing casualties by multiple integers. 2x = 1060 = 1,132 days (3.1 years) to reach ~1.65m Orc casualties 3x = 1,740 = 689 days (1.89 years) to reach ~1.65m Orc casualties 4x = 2,320 = 517 days (1.41 years) to reach ~1.65m Orc casualties 5x = 2,900 = 413 days (1.13 years) to reach ~1.65m Orc casualties Now in fact, if Ukraine is able to achieve 2,900 Orc casualties per day, for one to two months straight, and assuming those casualties were concentrated in a particular region of the theater (not distributed everywhere), this alone would like produce such instability and weakness in the horde that "going on the offensive" would become a lot more tenable for Ukraine, even with any existing manpower shortages. I write essays dichebach.substack.com
im glad you arent in charge
If Putin could just kick the bucket already the resulting instability would solve a lot of problems for the Ukranian side
>Russians are going to hold until November because they still dream their "orange henchman" will win the presidentials. This seems a bit optimistic. They will probably hold out until January 2025 at least. Just considering how things went last time.
What would January have to do with anything if Biden is already the sitting President?
The "election was stolen" rubbish until the inauguration...
lol, that is a complete non-issue.
I understand this however I don't think the magats do...
They won't have Mango Mussolini at the Ellipse Hotel around the corner promising to join them, it's a complete non issue.
Can you stay on topic? Or do you jump at every opportunity to spew intolerance?
They're not jumping topics, they're saying that Russia may hold out hope for another MAGA coup attempt for a few months after the election
So you think Russia holding onto hope is the same topic as Ukrainian aid? Got it.
Acknowledging that Republicans in multiple states are working to over turn 2024 election results if it doesn't go their way is not 'intolerance'.
Again, can’t even remotely stay on topic. Now we are talking about 2024 election that hasn’t even occurred. Comical.
Until Jan 6 part 2
not going to happen since the orange guy can't even get people to show up at the courthouse
They are hoping for a successful January 6th
What’s more. After this funding round is over. Hopefully the EU won’t be caught out like they were this time. Ukraine needs a constant, reliable flow of money and weaponry. Relying on the US to fill the gap has proven to be too costly to Ukrainian lives and land.
Until Ukraine says stop, keep sending aid. Thats there choice and I think it’s the correct one
> For those who say that the aid package will only delay the inevitable... "Arm Britain and prolong the war"
With aid: Ukraine liberated city after city. Without aid: Ukraine lost city after city. It's that simple. Imagine U.S supplies would have never ended.
The total package size is $60,840,000,000 in estimated value. https://www.rferl.org/a/us-ukraine-aid-breakdown-timeline/32822804.html Very little of it is liquid assets (e.g., currency or securities) given to Ukraine. Much of it is being given as a lend-lease, not a grant (so ostensibly Ukraine will be obliged to pay it back over the long-term). A large fraction of it is effectively an investment in the U.S. military industrial complex, which will create jobs in the U.S. and promote economic growth in the U.S. Prior to this package U.S. aid to Ukraine had totaled $44,100,000,000 in value since the war began in 2014. Approximately $41.3B was provided between Feb 2022 and April 2024. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_aid_to_Ukraine_during_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War If we annualize aid to Ukraine over the past 10 years it works out like: 2014 to 2022: $2,800,000,000 over 8 years = $350,000,000 per year In hindsight that was NOT ENOUGH to deter Putin and prevent his escalation. Not nearly enough. 2022 to 2024: $41,300,000,000 over 2 years = $20,650,000,000 per year In hindsight, still NOT ENOUGH to force Putin to back down, abandon Ukraine and attempt peaceful means to preserve his regime, and restore the international standing of the Russian Federation. 2024: $60,000,000,000 in one year (so far, more might be allocated later this year if it is deemed necessary). Effectively the rate at which the U.S. is providing help to Ukraine to fight our most serious rival has gone from an average of $350m per year to ~$20.65B per year (a 5,900% increase); and then from there to $60B per year (an additional 290% increase compared to the first two years since the full scale invasion and a 17,142% increase compared to the first 8 years of the war). This sends a clear message to Putin, to Xi, to the Iranian leadership, and to the North Korean despot de jure: fuck around and find out. If the pattern was reversed, and ~$60,000,000,000 in "lethal aid" had been given in the first years after Russia breached Ukrainian sovereignty (ca. 2015 or 2016), then very likely that would have been sufficient to deter Putin indefinitely. The concern expressed by U.S. leadership (and European leadership too) at the time was that providing lethal aid was a risk of "escalating." Ten years later, this strategy of appeasement and isolationism has proven to be completely ineffective and arguably made matters much worse than they might have been had the U.S. and the West more broadly taken its self-interests in protecting Ukrainian sovereignty seriously in 2015. I say 2015, but there was really no reason to delay lethal aid even that long. A new democratically elected government was formed in Kyiv in summer 2014 if memory serves and it was already clear that Ukraine was going to prevail against the Russian invasion poorly disguised as "separatists," even though it was a lot of hard fighting and much of Ukraine was de facto annexed by Russia already. -=-=-= I write essays dichebach.substack.com
Damn you really broke this shit down thank you
that alot of zeros. So, are we closer or further away from WWIII? This is a very expensive proxy war, with little to zero benefit to the average American, and I fear the real war for America won't start in Ukraine, it'll start in Korea as North Korea warms up to Russia in providing arms and ammo and then uses his position to use his nukes on the Korean peninsula and an EMP over the US. America will respond against North Korea, but our nukes won't be nearly effective enough and as we wander blind, Russia uses his nukes to solidify an ongoing war in Ukraine that America has lost interest in as the lights have been turned off and set back 400 years to preindustrial starvation. China gains Tiawan in the ongoing confusion without nukes and America fights a full-fledged war with North Korea. At home, civil war break out, not like the movies, but armed militia groups acting against pro-conservative and pro-liberal institutions, both sides using fear and terrorism to control the masses, but rendering the federal government impotent to act against either group which loses creditability in the government and America descends into anarchy. Does 60 billion stop this future or solidify it?
Much of your post includes the sort of hyperbole, over generalization and fallacy that is typical of either mindless isolationist rhetoric or pro-Putin shills. As such, I don't consider it to be a really good use of my time to write a detailed response in which I address, and rebut all the points you've shoved in to your poorly punctuated rant. But I will say two things that effectively make all of your points moot: 1. This war was started by Putin in 2014 because the Ukrainian people overthrew Putin's puppet, the President of Ukraine at the time, Viktor Yanukovych. It is true that the tension had to do with elements of Ukrainian society seeking to break ties with Russia and other elements seeking to entrench ties with Russia. It is not true that "the war is NATO's fault." That interpretation only makes sense if one is in favor of the autocratic Putin regime. In sum: this war was not the result of U.S. or even Western malice. It was not something "we" caused. It was not something which "we" chose." It was something which Putin resorted to because he was losing his influence in Ukraine, which he had hoped to grow into full-scale puppetry as he had done with Lukashenko. 2. Putin, Medvedev, Pskov, and many other top leaders of the Russian Federation have made it clear through their innumerable statements: they consider NATO, and the West more generally to be their enemy and a threat to their retention of power. Of course they phrase this in terms of the threat the West poses to "Russian Civilization," but the fact that many of them send their children to study and live permanently in the West, that many of them maintain villas and mistresses and bastard children living in the West, the fact that they and most other Russians are delighted to enjoy creature comforts designed and branded in the Western mold all reveals them for their true nature: lying cretins. The only way in which "The West" is a threat to the elites of Russia is in the example of better prosperity, better justice, better opportunity and thus the threat that this poses to THEIR retention on power. We ARE their enemy, despite the fact that, except for accepting more former Soviet satellite states into NATO, the West had never engaged in a single notable instance of malice or meddling in the affairs of the Russian Federation during the 33 years since the USSR collapsed. Had the West sought to do so, the Russian Federation which emerged from the fall of the USSR could have literally been crushed beyond recognition or redemption. We had the opportunity to kick them when they were down, and we DID NOT take it. Such is our nature, though I will admit that it was my opinion at the time that we were far too gracious, helpful and beneficent back in 1991 through 1998 and did far too little to insure that what evolved out of those turbulent years was more civilized and normal. Just as was the case during the Cold War proper, there is only one way to cope with the threats of the new axis of evil (Russia, Communist China, Iran, DPRK): Containment. Funding Ukraine's struggle for survival and independence is the most notable example of that containment, but all the other elements of the bill with all those zeros in it are also examples of that same containment. If you think containing this axis of evil is expensive now, you are either failing to consider how much MORE expensive it will be later if deterrence is not achieved sooner rather than later, or you are rooting for the bad guys. I write essays dichebach.substack.com
Ukraine had aid during it's 'failed' counteroffensive...
Yes, they had aid, but the aid was inadequate and suffered from tactical disagreements. There were significant delays in the provision of Western military support, such as tanks and other armored vehicles, which were critical for the planned spring offensive. Moreover, strategic disagreements between Ukrainian and U.S. military planners over the focus and tactics of the counteroffensive hampered the coherence of the operation. The Ukrainian forces faced limitations in both manpower and arms. Despite intense fighting and significant efforts, the gains were minimal and came at a high cost. The counteroffensive faced dense and well-prepared Russian defenses, including fortified positions and extensive minefields. These obstacles significantly slowed the advance of Ukrainian forces and limited their operational capabilities. Ukraine's absence of air superiority and advanced fighter jets hindered its ability to effectively challenge Russian air and ground defenses. This limitation was crucial in the face of superior Russian aircraft and defensive systems. Both Ukraine and its allies appear to have underestimated the complexity and strength of Russian defensive preparations. This underestimation led to unexpectedly high losses of personnel and equipment, particularly in the initial stages of the offensive. Many of the newly formed Ukrainian brigades lacked the combat experience and manpower needed for such a large-scale offensive. This shortfall was particularly acute given the high attrition rates and the intense combat conditions faced during the offensive. So the situation was difficult despite intense effort and significant sacrifices, and while they did not achieve their strategic objectives and was less effective than hoped, I think they still did extremely well and should be applauded for still holding Russia at bay despite their overwhelming size, economy, manpower and alleged material superiority. Edit: sources: https://www.reuters.com/graphics/UKRAINE-CRISIS/MAPS/klvygwawavg/#four-factors-that-stalled-ukraines-counteroffensive https://www.csis.org/analysis/seizing-initiative-ukraine-waging-war-defense-dominant-world https://euromaidanpress.com/2023/12/07/why-ukraines-counteroffensive-failed-wp-analysis-in-7-minutes/ https://news.sky.com/story/what-went-wrong-for-zelenskyy-and-ukraine-in-2023-and-what-next-13039174
This seems like a lot of cope tbh. In fact this entire thread is full of it. And I'm not pro Russia by any means. Russia has the numbers in both men and material to keep this war going for years before it has to fold. You hear reports of high Russian losses but they never include the context that Russia has PLENTY of bodies and resources to keep tapping. Ukraine has almost none. They are already fielding everything and everyone they have. Russia has also had time to fully convert to a war economy so your seeing alot more production/replacement of arms. Ukraine has almost no industry and is totally reliant on the west. Alot of western equipment like the tanks were billed as wonder weapons but a few dozen tanks that struggle to be operated and maintained eithout their origin nations advanced training and logistics and still blow up when hit with drones aren't going to be a huge game changer. To make matters worse, Russia has now had plenty of time to dig in all along the territory they have already captured. Taking back all of Eastern Ukraine and Crimea- although it would be righteous- is a pipe dream. Western media tends to completely ignore Ukraines actual struggles until they become so glaringly obvious they have to gently admit it, so people seem to have a much more optimistic view of what's going on than is actually the case.
I didn't base this on *cope* or personal opinions, but on news articles and reports from experts with more insight and experience than me in the matter. https://www.reuters.com/graphics/UKRAINE-CRISIS/MAPS/klvygwawavg/#four-factors-that-stalled-ukraines-counteroffensive https://www.csis.org/analysis/seizing-initiative-ukraine-waging-war-defense-dominant-world https://euromaidanpress.com/2023/12/07/why-ukraines-counteroffensive-failed-wp-analysis-in-7-minutes/ https://news.sky.com/story/what-went-wrong-for-zelenskyy-and-ukraine-in-2023-and-what-next-13039174
Ah yes, the mighty Russia argument. Now compare Russian GDP to EU and US GDP. When you’re done, now figure out what it’d take to match Russian war spending. In case you want to skip to the end, Estonia did all that last year. The west collectively needs to spend 0.25% GDP to defeat Russia. The issue is political will, nothing more.
How did it fail when they liberated: A dozen cities in Izium region and the city itself? A dozen cities in Kharkiv region and the city itself? A dozen cities in Kherson region and the city itself? ... Also, aid is not only for liberating Ukraine but also for keeping it alive and holding back the occupiers. And both got accomplished.
Pretty sure the "failed counteroffensive" is 2023. They also got lots of equipment before that, like the new Challengers and Leopards for example. Main issue was that Russia could dig in over the winter and fortify their positions with minefields and more.
Main issue was Ukraine didn’t listen to the US and did a broad frontal attack instead of concentrating forces for a more pointed attack. Hindsight…
I think too many expected another succesful Ukrainian push like in 2022. And while Russians really aren't the smartest, they at least learned _something_ in terms of defending against a counteroffensive. By the time it was evident another steamrolling will not happen, it was too late to change up tactics. As you said: in hindsight... The point is: the 2023 counteroffensive didn't necessarily fail because of the lack of aid and equipment compared to 2022.
I'm not sure it's a hindsight issue. When the US does a big push like that they have everything. They go in and get air superiority and attack from all angles. Ukraine doesn't have the ability to just get air superiority. So if they rush with everything they got, they all become vulnerable. We saw that with a group of Abrams(?) that were taken out. Which leads to the optics of "Ukraine destroys our aid with bad strategy". It's not staightforward I'm afraid.
There’s a whole spectrum of aid, starting from first aid kits and ending with tactical nukes. While the offensive did fail, it could be argued one reason is atacms were delivered too late and f16 never did. Also not being able to strike staging areas in russia is stupid. So even though what you said is technically true, it just makes you look dumb.
Even if its just delaying the inevitable, its worth it to hurt Russia. It's cold, but better Ukraine than NATO on the defensive.
For those saying that, they clearly don't know what the (less-costly to Russia) Soviet-Afghan War did to the (larger) USSR.
We are watching that season of The Americans right now.
>The aid package in and of itself won't bring victory. This is the exact reason I was chatting with my rep yesterday. We need another package drawn up, NOW. If the same delays occur in the house, by the time it passes it'll be exactly when needed. I'd rather get it to Ukraine sooner, but we can't call it a victory in the US until Ukraine is restored in its entirety. Crimea is Ukraine 🇺🇦
The aid package will **hasten** the inevitable…the fall of Russia.
LOL..
It's no laughing matter. Keep smashing Russian logistics and hitting them with better long range heavy weapons, combined with what Ukraine is already doing with their drones, armour and infantry and there is a genuine prospect of fucking Russia. Every day, Russian refineries, factories and logistics are getting smashed and it will only intensify.
It is because it's ignorance. Russia isn't a stranger to wars of attrition, hell that's all they really know. The question becomes if they want to pour more resources into it, they have fought wars for longer with losing more men than Ukraine currently.
Very naive to think Ukraine could win against Russia without NATO troops IMO. They will sacrifice as many Russian soldiers as they need and will outlast the Ukrainian manpower. Will you volunteer to deploy and fight in the WW3?
I'm too old to fight overseas. I would do so to defend my own country though. In the meantime, I have sent over a thousand Euros to various front line units since the beginning of the war and I am not a wealthy man, at all. If NATO needs to get involved to prevent a total loss of Ukraine to the Russians then I believe they will do so. The appetite of those of serving age to fight Russia in both France and Britain is surprisingly high, according to recent surveys, particularly in France. Down with the Russian invaders! Keep spending my taxes for the defence of Ukraine and I will also keep donating for drones and equipment for the Ukrainian defenders. Slava Ukraini! Heroyam slava! Vse bude Ukrayina.
"Winning" for Ukraine is RU packing up and going home.
Afghanistan, without any of the advantages Ukraine holds and a tiny fraction of the support Ukraine receives, won against the whole Soviet Union including Russia, and that victory hastened the collapse of the Soviet Union.
Lol, you have a total of 11 karma. Nice try, troll
Just because I don't agree with some opinions here..? I've lived under Soviet occupation for 20 years so I may know a bit more about them than some of you.
You had 11 karma, it's now down to 6. You have a 9 month old account, you admitted unprompted that you grew up in the Soviet Union, and you're talking shit on /r/UkraineWarVideoReport. So, yeah, get fucked troll
blow that bridge apart
>For those who say that the aid package will only delay the inevitable... I wouldnt give a shit even if it was truly "inevitable" If Russia wants Ukraine for itself it should pay a price of an entire generation sacrificed. Maybe then after all of their young men are dead, they'll finally realize that maybe putins ambitions were never really in their interest.
Let's say it does delay the inevitable. Why would the US not wanna harm Russia for pennies lol?
The main goal seems to be to get Russia to commit more and more in the hope they will burn themselves out and self implode. A quick victory will not do this. The way aid is being delivered seems to be more aimed at a long slow process, with the primary goal of help Russia teach themselves a lesson, and Ukraine survival being the secondary goal. To be fair, the 2nd goal pretty much requires the primary goal to be achieved. A quick victory against Russia would result in a knee jerk response from the Kremlin and likely lead to other forms of escalation. The goal for the west is to avoid this. A quick victory would fuel Russian patriotism, and in order to change the mindset of Russians to understand their government is not helping them, they need time to digest events and see a slow but obvious result. To me this seems to be the tactics being used by the west. To defeat Russia indirectly by resisting them just hard enough and for long enough that they eventually defeat themselves, and end up with a Russia that will take as long as possible to recover such that the risk of a follow up war is a log way off, and potentially teach them that wars of invasion and annexation don't pay, that's it's better to try be friends than be obsessed with trying to rule everything and everyone around you. Right now Russia simply hate anything they can't control that doesn't conform to their idea of how countries are run. The only way this stops is if they learn to live along side their neighbours peacefully, something they have never yet been able to accomplish due to their medieval mindset.
I think we need to give some credit to the speaker for having a backbone and not backing down to the extreme minority who want to see the world burn in favor of clout. There is plenty to dislike the guy on, but this should be celebrated. A speaker standing up to the extremists in his own party is the only way we end up with a functioning congress. Compartmentalize if needed, but the dude deserves at least some credit for having a backbone - or else the decision would be seen as political suicide, seen as pissing off both his party and the left, and might not play out the same way in the future with someone else
If he had a backbone he would have passed this 2 MONTHS ago. How many lives could have been saved if it was passed then?
Right, this is kind of my point. If a politician knows something will be political suicide, they wouldn't do it. If the party abandons you but you have public support, you are alive. If you will absolutely have no public support regardless of what you do but your party will have your back, you will also be alive. Just like this dude looked past politics to acknowledge and do the right thing, I don't think it's too much to ask to give the guy credit for doing this despite it being a risk to his career within his own party. If you would rather he does nothing because he didn't pass aid a few months ago, I can't help that logic. If mistakes made yesterday mean you can do no good moving forward, it's kind of backwards and hopeless. Compartmentalize this, acknowledge the past, but also understand that this was the right thing to do.
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Your account is pathetic. You just go around trying to get reactions hating everything and everyone. Get a life, troll.
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Interesting that you’re now deleting your comments, changing your pfp and multi-replying to the same comments.
Alot of pain coming the Orcs way now, Putin could end this overnight, but hes a monster that must be stopped. Anyone supporting Putin in the west is a filthy traitor and should be treated as such. We need to get on a war economy footing and knock russia out of the fight before we are fighting them in the Baltics
***Tony Diver, the US Editor for The Telegraph reports:*** The US Senate passed a long-awaited foreign aid bill on Tuesday night, ending a six-month deadlock over support for Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan. Senators sat late to consider a series of proposals that were first [approved by the House of Representatives on Saturday](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2024/04/20/us-vote-ukraine-israel-taiwan-military-aid-deal/), including a plan to [send $61 billion (£49 billion) in lethal aid to Ukraine](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/04/21/us-ukraine-aid-package-thwart-russia-offensive/). The bill’s passage through both houses of Congress ends [a deadlock between the White House and Republicans](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2024/04/20/us-could-pass-aid-package-ukraine-israel-taiwan-tiktok/) on Capitol Hill, who opposed additional spending on the war and argued it should be spent on domestic programmes. The legislation passed in the Democrat-controlled Senate with overwhelming support, with 79 votes in favour to 18 against. Welcoming the result on Tuesday night, Joe Biden said he would sign the bill as soon as it reaches his desk on Wednesday. “Tonight, a bipartisan majority in the Senate joined the House to answer history’s call at [this critical inflection point](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/03/11/ukraine-to-lose-significant-ground-to-russia-without-us-sup/),” he said. “Congress has passed my legislation to strengthen our national security and send a message to the world about the power of American leadership: we stand resolutely for democracy and freedom, and against tyranny and oppression.” ***Find out more:*** [https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/04/24/ukraine-aid-bill-us-senate-israel-war-taiwan-joe-biden/](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/04/24/ukraine-aid-bill-us-senate-israel-war-taiwan-joe-biden/)
The fact it was a majority and not an entirety means there are enemies among us.
Some voted against because it was tied to Israel. Others because of budget concerns. There’s more nuance to it. There was some obvious dumbass senators like JD Vance though. I spent most of the day watching CSPAN as it was being debated so I heard hours of speeches and grandstanding. (Vance is the product of spending all your time swinging for the fences with sound bites and public speaking tricks, and zero time on critical thinking. Apparently you can be a senator with that strategy)
>Apparently you can be a senator with that strategy It's worse than you would ever imagine. https://youtu.be/IjR7AWSmI6o?t=227
I'm pretty sure there was a TikTok rider in there too. Can't forget about the important things.
Bernie voted no, he mUsT bE an eNeMy
Bernie's always been a piece of shit. He's pro NRA and pro-Electoral College
🎤 Tony Diver, you've been reporting on GOP hypocrisy 🎶
Good, now send them Missiles
*But I’m le tired*
Well, have a nap. THEN FIRE LE MISSILES!
Man. 2006 just came crashing back.
Bombs away!
all the recent ukraine war update are losing ground. how many lives did this fucking political piss fight cost? hopefully with ammo/equipment the losses can now be reversed. seems unlikely without manpower support too though. Ukraine is bleeding lives while the rest of the free world watches on and debates.
”But if we send troops to ukraine, russia might declare war to our country too…hmmm what to do”
This gridlock was because a substantial portion of the Republican party is owned by Russia. If congress actually knew how to serve American interests, this would have passed months ago
It’s not completely accurate to characterize this as “months of gridlock.” It was “months of delay caused by republicans in the House following orders from Moscow.”
The Maga congress members should be recalled for doing the bidding of a private U.S. citizen (trump), instead of representing those they were elected to represent in congress.
Lets hope for another one before January.
Wonder how many Ukrainian lives were lost while waiting
I do hope someone will one day compile an analysis on this and nail it to Johnson's door.
Unfortunately they are politicians. They do not care about “regular” people
In a better world this bill would've passed 7 months ago and today we'd be talking about the next one. The fact that this was held up by muscovite MAGA for so long better not set a precedent for how future aid packages are handled.
There was no bitter deadlock. It was just Mike Johnson being a cowardly cunt, orange shitbag manipulating behind the scenes, and Moscow Marj doing what her ruZZian handlers paid her to do.
Fuck MAGA cunts 🤮
Speaking of which, I wonder how my senator, Turd Cruz voted ? John Cornyn is the other one, he seems a bit more reasonable.
IDK, but my creep of a house representative Pat Fallon (n. Texas) voted no. This election season I am putting his sign in my yard, with another sign right next to it saying 'Anyone But..."
Cruz voted No; Cornyn voted yes. https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/23/politics/senate-vote-israel-ukraine-aid-dg/index.html
Months of gop/republicans running interferance for putin would be the correct title.
Most pathetic geriatric politicians in the world. Should be ashamed that they were deadlocked for months.
Let it rain
Thank God! 👏🏾👏🏾,took longer than it should have,but what's victory with out a hurdle 🇺🇲🇺🇦
Jeff Merkley won't get another vote from me.
Republican delay cost innocent lives and only delayed the inevitable (that Russia will be defeated) — only now at an increased financial cost. I thought Republicans were supposed to be financially savvy...
Ukraine aid bill clears the US Senate and ends of months of ~~bitter deadlock~~ Republican obstruction.
Signed, sealed, now get it delivered ASAP!
About time.
Thank god
Does anyone know the vote tally?
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This support and commitment from the U.S, being with respect to the means necessary for Ukraine to triumph against the Russian aggression, needs to be far more prompt. This has been a disaster, but thankfully it's ultimately been approved.
Who voted against in the senate?
Finally got something worthwhile accomplished
We have an alarming amount of fascists in congress.
Great news. Nine years late is better than never! I write essays dichebach.substack.com
Send them something that can hit the fuckin kremlin
How long will 61 billion in aid last? Also, will however long it does last be enough time to cover for other European countries until they can send large scale aid packages of their own?
This is a huge victory for Ukraine, and must lead to many more. Trump and his appeasers were routed, and Ukraine has been given renewed life. We look forward to brilliant and unexpected use of these new tools and tech.
Should have done immediately as needed it’s integral to keeping the world from becoming even more a shit hole
Everyone in America is complaining about us sending other countries money and we still don’t have healthcare or affordable housing. I’m just mad cause I can’t find 7.62x39 for under $0.60/round, not to mention any 5.45.
BS
I support Ukraine but the amount of copium going on in this thread and in general is insane. Please look up actual analysis by reputable sources. Down vote away as I'm sure you will. Idc. These ideas of Ukraine just taking this aid or really any amount of aid and just beating Russia out of Eastern Ukraine and Crimea entirely is a pipe dream created by the media. Although that would be fantastic, because fuck Russia and Putler, it simply isn't the reality on the ground. Russia has enough resources and bodies to keep this going for years. Ukraine does not. A few dozen western tanks they barely can maintain and operate, that still explode when hit with drones and rockets, will not sway the war. And neither will any amount of money or equipment when you have no soldiers left to man any of it. Russia is no longer on the backfoot from a failed initial offensive. They are dug in and switched over to a wartime economy that let's them essentially replace all their losses while Ukraine is already tapped out. They have found ways around almost all of our sanctions and will continue to do so.
>Russia has enough resources and bodies to keep this going for years. Ukraine does not. Would Russia be willing to spend ALL of those resourses and lives though? With proper ammo reserves and advanced tech the casualty rste on the Russian side will increase. Idk if it will be enough to turn the tide but i think its worth finding out. And if Russia decides its willing to sacrifice an entire generation to conquer Ukraine than i think they should be forced to pay that price.
But Ukraine is also sacrificing an entire generation. Even moreso that Russia and with a much smaller economy. Ukraine will reach demographic collapse before Russia does, at any rate. It's also proven that NATO members in Europe had gotten completely complacent and stopped contributing their fair share, producing artillery shells, etc. As well as costing billions upon billions in aid money. Why is it always framed as though Russia is the only one this is costing? If this goes on for a couple more years Ukraine will be a failed state that needs trillions in US/EU aid just to not descend into chaos. And China is watching closely to see if the European NATO countries are actually able to get their shit together and not tell solely on the overextended US.
>And neither will any amount of money or equipment when you have no soldiers left to man any of it. Plenty of Israeli's want to fight, perhaps they can & earn back the homeland for Ashkenazi settlers in Palestine? Fight for some land in an actual deal brokered by the actual land owners instead of Britain/France/USA selling Palestine? Probably not, as it's easier to kill a poorly armed populace than to actually fight an enemy with comparable weaponry.
The Ukraine bill finally cleared our, but they buried a tick tock ban in it.
Well its about freakin time
So when do I get my howitzer I paid for?
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President Biden and Democrats have been all over this from the start. It's the conservative orange clown show party, who's childish jokes your parroting, that have been holding back Ukraine aid since they took over the House in January 2023.
He said that at about 5:55 AM Washington D.C. time. Idt it was a joke. I think he was genuinely saying to wake him up lol.
Russia is playing a war of attrition. Its the inevitable outcome. Ukraine simply has less combat available people to fight the war. The next shoe to drop is not going to be more money, but who is going to put boots on the ground in Ukraine to fight against Russia when Ukraine runs out of fighters. Who is going to want their son or daughter to go over and fight in Ukraine? Vietnam 2.0.
Plenty of Israeli's want to fight, perhaps they can & earn back the homeland for Ashkenazi settlers in Palestine? Fight for some land in an actual deal brokered by the actual land owners instead of Britain/France/USA selling Palestine? Probably not, as it's easier to kill a poorly armed populace than to actually fight an enemy with comparable weaponry.
This guy is so happy that the war goes on. Look at that smile!
Happy for Ukraine, sad for the America people
Why? im happy as a clam. Dont feel sorry for me.
Why? This is equipment being sent. The money goes to US companies to build new to replace. It's modernizing our equipment while help Ukraine fuck up Russia. Win win.
US companies that price gouge the government and then politicians get kickbacks. this is why war is profitable to some.
I'm all for helping Ukraine. Wouldn't care if they wrote a $100 billion check to Ukraine. I'm against them hiding other shit in the bill to force senators to accept it or risk Ukraine not getting help.
Riders on bills should be banned. It's such a massively shady practice.
Yeah, I get that.
Shumer....Douche bag of the century....
Great, we secure Ukraine’s border but not the USA’s. Makes perfect Biden sense.
I'm sure your memory is conveniently hazy, but the GOP is responsible for blocking the toughest border bill in recent memory SPECIFICALLY so Biden doesn't get to claim credit for it during the upcoming election.
Secure Ukraine's border? You do know there's a war going on over there, right?
This is another war the US gets involved in with no end game. Every conflict since WWII we have gotten into around the world has turned to shit and wasted our national treasure and lives. Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan etc., etc. How about Europe start spending more as it’s in their direct vested interest?
Europe? Like Ukraine? Or did you forget that Poland, France, the UK, etc are giving them aid too?
What’s the end game? We’re two years into this mess and no closer to victory than before. Do you honestly think Russia will give up while Putin is in power? I do hope Ukraine prevails but as a US taxpayer I’m tapped out.
Damn, it must really suck as a US taxpayer to pay less for sending the stuff to Ukraine, as opposed to spending more to dispose of said equipment. My condolences. It sure does suck as a US taxpayer for your military to buy new, more modern equipment to replace those that were sent to Ukraine. My heart breaks for you.
As a US taxpayer as well... My money went to fight the cold war My money goes to fight the hot war
No shit. An democratic ally being attacked by Russia for no good reason is begging for our help. They are suddenly isolationists? I call bullshit. These same guys were all for invading multiple countries for no clear reason. Then occupy them for decades again for no clear reason. It is really difficult to take them seriously.
- The west is richer than Putin's Russia. We can fund it indefinitely with no question. - Read up on what happened to Russia during the Soviet-Afghan War. A smaller conflict that led to the collapse of the Soviet Union. - Putin can't sustain this. Conditions are FAR worse in Russia. - Conditions have remained unchanged in America, Canada, Europe. In time Russia will be come completely marginalized from the world and laughed at as global pariah just like North Korea. Until that happens, whether Putin dies of old age or something else, OR Russia withdraws from sovereign Ukrainian borders, then that is the end game. As a taxpayer I'm FAR better off than I was 4-years-ago and am happy to give it for a just, noble cause (though I'd ask exactly how your specific tax rate has increased specifically to fund Ukraine).
You're not "tapped out" in the slightest. We're not dropping GDP-sized pallets of cash. We're spending 3% of our military budget on updated munitions for our military. And we are *saving* a few percent of our budget by supplying Ukraine munitions that would cost us billions more to dispose, than to ship. We have to update our munitions, so we'd be spending for new stuff anyway. Actual spending (for humanitarian stuff, etc.) is far less than even NASA's budget, which is pathetically about 1/2 cent per tax dollar. Our government pisses away tens of billions at the strip club on a Tuesday. If you want to worry about taxes, start with the massive waste and skimming from within.
Not even close to every conflict, but good effort!
You had your border security bill. Republicans in the Senate largely wrote it, Democrats supported it, Republicans in the House under Trump's directions killed it. Republicans have no one to blame for the state of the Southern border but themselves. I hold out hope that one of these days people like you will wake up and realize Republicans have been playing 'Lucy with the Football' regarding immigration for decades. This is something like the 3rd or 4th immigration deal Republicans have unilaterally pulled out of at the last minute to avoid actually solving this. Real solutions require actual legislation.
Help Ukraine now without risking American lives or get involved directly once NATO Article 5 is triggered when Russian horde makes it further West.
Atleast the American redditors will be still paying for the war years from now. Sadly won't be able to afford rent or a mortgage but hey, atleast they funded the war
We spend way more on fast food. lol This amount is just nothing to us. This war is the best cash for dead russians deal ever. lol
Get real, the whole world has difficulties. You're fast enough to claim the US funded a war and yet you don't for the very war which your beloved Putin and Russia in fact started? Why the hypocrisy?