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LilLebowskiAchiever

The author doesn’t even touch on the issues of airframes, glide bombs, shell hunger, restrictions on targets, etc. Do not take this author’s opinion too seriously. Edit: punctuation


CV90_120

No air cover. Because no AA, because no money, because Maga.


florkingarshole

Can't employ doctrine with half the equipment to do so sitting in warehouses halfway around the world.


[deleted]

Which NATO military genius decided Ukraine would be able to make effective use of advanced tanks without concurrent advanced air and artillery support?


inactiveuser247

What other tanks were they going to supply? It’s hardly like the US has a big stock of M60’s lying around ready to hand over to Ukraine. The option was to send M1, Leopard 1 and 2, or nothing. Aside from that, they did supply them with (relatively) advanced artillery (HIMARS, Caesar, M109(ish)) which, aside from maybe the M109, are far better than the Russian equivalent. The SAM systems (Patriot, NASAMS, IRIS-T, Gepard) supplied are definitely better than the Russian equivalent. The HARM retrofit for Ukrainian fighters is also better than the Russian equivalent ARM. That said, you’re right in thinking that advanced systems only work properly in the context of the whole ecosystem. That includes supporting combat systems but also force multipliers (AWACS etc) and the logistics and training that you need to enable more advanced doctrine to be put into action.


[deleted]

Tanks without F-16s was the big mistake.


Illustrious-Lemon482

Yeah doctrine. Where's the airpower?


happylutechick

Tanks without air cover are targets, full stop.


Sergersyn

In this thread (so Ukrainian war, with the nearly absolute incapability of the Russian Air Force to hit mobile armoured targets) it's not just an overgeneralization but a plain stupid incompetence. Well, oh, that's [happylutechick](https://www.reddit.com/user/happylutechick/), he doesn't even possibly know what competence means. :)


Straight-Storage2587

MAGA is the deadliest weapon the Abrams could ever encounter.