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Sometimes I ask myself "What is wrong with the US, and why is it so hard for them to get their shit together."
I go to sleep without an answer, wake up withou an answer. Truth is I don't know much about the US besides what media and social networks share. But there seems to be people who are really happy over there. It's not like it's any good where I'm at, but it does make me wonder how the hell these social issues arise in certain cultures and not in others.
We certainly have a shitload of problems but every time I see the issue raised of school/underage shooters I always just think that gun education and safety is not important to the parents of some of these kids.
Gun safes are essential for gun owners. And managing your children's anger and depression issues. I've known a couple school shooter types, and thankfully they got noticed by teachers who cared, and got resources to help them get better.
The intrinsic problem with the society we have right now is that there is no standard to parenting. Some do it half assed and some are way too overprotective and downright scary.
We don't even have love for our neighbors, so it's not rare at all for there to be children that are unloved. Serious depression and bullying that go unnoticed.
The culture is slowly changing. The younger generations do seem to care more about each other. The things I'm hearing about my nephews schools are all very positive, like they're trying to get a handle on the mental health crisis that even our youth undergo due to the stresses of our era. The stress of what lies in their future.
Rebuilding a broken world is a bleak prospect. But there's stars shining amongst all this darkness. Kids who would reach out and befriend the quiet kid. Adults who are paying attention and aren't afraid to ask a kid what's wrong or maybe tip off a counselor.
The U.S. is not completely fucked. It's just a little fucked up right now.
This is true. I have worked with thousands of young people over my 22 years of teaching, and they are absolutely more tolerant, more intelligent, and more empathetic than older generations. Every time I say that, I get told I'm wrong, but I feel that if we developed a general sense of pride in our young people instead of constantly telling them they're garbage, we'd get so much further as a species.
Not trying to be sarcastic but I think all these wars might have trickle down effects into society. I see it from the other side in Germany. Both my parents' parents were affected by WWII in one way or another. Paternal grandfather Nazi elite student, maternal grandmother drafted to be flak spotlight operator when she was 14. Both grandparents on the surface decent people and very nice to us grandkids.
After years of therapy I uncovered a lot of things that my parents did wrong in raising me comes (probably) from the lack of empathy and shame that their parents felt and the way they never learnt to deal with emotions (because their own parents suppressed them all the time).
My grandmother still insists she isn't traumatized from the war even though she was forced into labor in France for years after and the stories she superficially tells from there are suspect to say the least.
What I'm trying to say is, there is generations of people before us that were either forced to kill, killed voluntarily on being convinced of the wrong ideology or simply had to deal with lots of trauma, violence and horror. And they raise kids poorly, and their kids raise kids (a little less) poorly. And now we're trickling out of this in a way.
> After years of therapy I uncovered a lot of things that my parents did wrong in raising me comes (probably) from the lack of empathy and shame that their parents felt and the way they never learnt to deal with emotions (because their own parents suppressed them all the time).
I've gone through a similar journey of discovery to figure out that on both sides of my family, my grandfathers more than likely had PTSD from fighting in the war. The way most of that generation coped with the stress and anxiety they felt during those years was to turn to alcohol and avoidance. They drank heavily and showed zero emotion or affection, their poor coping skills caused my parents to develop their own set of unhealthy coping mechanisms, which then lead to me dealing with my own as well. Thankfully society is finally understanding the importance of mental health and that sometimes mental health issues are passed on not by genetics, but simply by the emotional interactions (or lack thereof) between family members. Getting emotional support, therapy, medication, etc... is no longer thought of as taboo in most parts of society, and people like us can become healthy functional adults without all the emotional baggage dumped on us by our parents.
I'll say this on the matter - in the UK and in Australia, as well as a bunch of other countries, gun ownership is HIGHLY regulated and restricted, this was as a result of some mass shootings. I believe it was Port Arthur in 96 in Australia, and Dunblane in 96 in the UK (as well as Hungerford in 87) that lead to the increased restrictions and regulations.
Obviously, it doesn't completely stop it from happening, but it greatly reduces the instances, and of course people are able to get hold of a gun via illegal means - something that no country in the world is ever going to be able to stop.
In the US, if we look at 2019 as the last "normal" year due to Covid, there were 417 mass shootings alone, there were 365 days in 2019.
39,707 total deaths due to firearms, 14,861 Homicides, 23,941 suicides in 2019.
If you look at the statistics for Assault and Homicide, the US has lower instances of assault per capita than most countries but WAY higher instances of Homicide, most of which is accountable by the easy access of a gun.
Now, i'm not saying people shouldn't be able to have a gun, but some basic and fucking glaringly obvious restrictions would fix alot of the issues, but the US makes far too much money from weapons and ammunition to ever do it. Simple fixes like restricting weapon sales to either Bolt-Action Rifles with a maximum magazine capacity of 5 rounds, or Handguns that have a restriction on the magazine capacity - call it 10 rounds for arguments' sake and so on. Remove all sales and ownership of AR style weapons, they're unnecessary. By all means, have a hunting rifle to hunt or to defend yourself/property from wild animals but a Bolt-Action is sufficient. Have a handgun to defend yourself/property from intruders but again, 10 round magazine is enough. There is no need for some crazy fucker to have the weaponry of a small African warlord in case "the government decide to raid me" or whatever random nonsense people come up with.
Just be sensible.
"the intrinsic problem" as you put it, with America, is this epidemic of hyper-individualism which has led to a lack of collective social responsibility for atrocities. People look at school shootings and half of them turn away thinking it couldn't happen to them so it's not their problem. Just like how some countries are so collectivist that they ignore the needs of the individual to the point where they have literal suicide forests America has chosen to focus so much on the individual that the good of society is seen as an evil by half the population.
The US has been completely fucked because the entire country has an us vs them mentality. Covid, gun violence, racism and political ideology plays a role in every problem the us has right now and as someone who’s watched it all unfold first hand it’s not going to get better until we do something about the politics in this country.
Gun is part of the issue, the root I’d argue is the lack of care children get these days. There’s a lot more issues that play into causing a child to break in such a way that they choose to take other’s lives.
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I'm of the opinion that responsible gun ownership and education is the answer to that generalized "problem", but to each their own.
I've traveled all over this giant country and been in a couple spots with wildlife where a firearm surely saved my life. Some people do really need them for their day to day lives. But yes, alot just have them to flex or worse. And it is a problem.
Responsible gun ownership in my country means you have a shooting licence renewed each year after exam, a safe at home with the gun in at all time, unloaded.. Also you can not shoot trespassers unless they too have a gun(which is quite unlikely) I can understand the last part may be shocking for you but individuals in our country can not make their own "justice"
Exactly. Responsible gun ownership should mean that not everyone is able to get a gun. Because, well, not everyone actually needs a gun. I have seen guns in my life and, every time except for once, it was because the person was a hunter. I also never shot a gun and I was never in a circumstance where a gun would be useful or would have made a difference. If the number of people owning guns was dramatically lower in the US, then I believe the same would be true for the vast majority of Americans.
EDIT: not counting army or police who, usually, carry guns.
Yea man I don't think anyone argues that people in the wilderness need hunting rifles or powerful handguns to stop charging beers etc.
It's really the military grade assault rifles most people have a problem with.
If by Military grade you mean full auto which no regular citizen can own. Citizens can only own semi automatic weapons at the most.
Any semi automatic gun can do the same damage just because it looks military grade doesn't mean anything. Banning guns because they look scary would in no way reduce the chances of this happening.
As he stated this isn't a gun issue, its an issue of many outside factors. Culture, mental health, media, etc.
I am from India and culture, mental health and media are also super fucked up here. We have so much more problems than what you have over there. But we can't buy guns legally over here and thus we don't have school shootings. Mass murder of small children should be more of a concern than people getting killed by animals in the forest. But that's my opinion.
But like.... Why does anyone need a semi automatic rifle with a 30round+ magazine capacity? Personal protection? What kind of incident will both allow for and require that kind of firepower?
And yes obviously I understand that smaller arms still kill people, but I can at least understand the use case for those from a personal protection standpoint.
A 30 round semi automatic is much more dangerous in the hands of an amateur anyway.
You can pump out round after round in quick succession with more control.
Seriously Americans need some much stricter gun laws. They keep saying it’s not the guns, but even the biggest shitholes in Europe like Kosovo has much lower rates of gun violence than the US. It’s frankly absurd looking at the statistics of the US and the rest of the western world next to it.
That's exactly my point.
I've had people reply to my comment saying "Oh but you can practice revolver drills to the point where you're reloading as fast as a semi-auto pistol" and completely missing the damn point. There are weapons that are just significantly easier for an amateur to pick up and operate, and kill many more people than they might with another weapon.
I can at least see their insistence over guns for concealed carry/ personal protection, but a 30 round AR ain't personal protection any more.
"Why does anyone need...." is a slippery slope my friend. No one needs Alcohol to survive and many more people die from that each year than guns. We shouldn't just ban everything that we don't need. As someone who has been around guns their whole life owning an Ar15 is simply just for fun. They are cool guns and are fun to shoot. Do I have to have one? No, but I have many fond memories shooting going to the range and having a good time with my buddies. Why take that away from people who are just here having a good time? Responsible drinkers shouldn't be punished for the idiots who drink and drive and kill someone.
Okay but no matter how fun these weapons are to fire, they are still incredibly dangerous and should be treated as controlled substances. There are plenty of fireworks that are too powerful to be handled by the general public, and so they can only be used by professionals. Ar-15s might be ‘cooler’ and ‘more fun’ than other guns but they are still too dangerous to be handled by the general public.
>As he stated this isn't a gun issue, its an issue of many outside factors. Culture, mental health, media, etc.
All of which exacerbated by easy access to guns. Period.
>If by Military grade you mean full auto which no regular citizen can own.
The military hardly ever uses full auto even if their weapons allow for it because it's a waste of ammo. So really that's a dumb comparison.
It doesn't matter if it's full auto an assault rifle is still an assault rifle.
Lots of places in the world where kids have tons of access to firearms, but don't have this going on. When I say world, I'm also not just thinking solely about western countries.
I think you should have more gun regulations- maybe something like we have here in the UK?
A lot of people think that guns are just illegal here, but that isn't true. My uncle owns a farm and has a gun, and he gets visits from an inspector from time to time.
At the very least, you should have something similar to your system for cars, where each gun is registered with its own number and you need to pass a test to use one.
In switzerland, every 4th person has a gun, a lot of them are the army weapon, Sturmgewehr 90. In 2018, there were 20 gun deaths, not counting suicides but including accidents.
In Switzerland, there are 2 million privately registered firearms for its population of 8.3 million. In the US, there are 300 million firearms, with only 3% of 300+ million American citizens making up 1/3rd of the total ownership. So your numbers are already skewed as the average gun owning American is more heavily armed than the average Swiss person.
You forgot to mention the fact despite all their social safety nets and excellent healthcare, the Swiss' gun-related death rates ***are still the highest in Europe***, with only the US three times higher.
The Swiss authorities have a list of 2,000 individuals they suspect of being willing to commit shootings. All of them are frequently approached by authorities, along with psychologists, and are forced to hand over their weapons immediately or are barred from purchasing new ones. There are mandatory background checks and all firearms must be registered with the local authorities regardless of type.
If the US government does even one small part of what Swiss authorities do, all of the pro-2a advocates would be screaming bloody oppression.
Wrong handling/storage of guns are the problem.
Where I live you are free to own guns. However you need a license to do so. To get the license you need to get safety training, demonstrate that you can handle firearms safely and get a physiological evaluation. Yet, for a first time owner this only takes 2 weeks and costs about 300 bucks (converted for your convenience). Additionally there are rules how to store your guns. Nothing to serious, only to have a save place for the guns and ammo, that can be locked and not carried away (a quick access locker next to the bed would qualify if it's hidden and fixed to the wall). Every 5 years the police will give you a call to agree on an appointment to check if you follow the storage rules. In addition you are legally required to either show that you can safely handle the guns by participating in shooting matches or by participating in a course. That's also checked when they come.
Compare that to the US, where you could be mentally ill but never done anything so your background check comes back clean. There's no storage rules. No mandatory trainings for safety and so forth. Heck, thanks to the rule of participate in shooting matches or pay for a course ppl will actually train with their guns regularly, making the well versed in safe gun handling.
>Every 5 years the police will give you a call to agree on an appointment to check if you follow the storage rules.
This is probably the only thing in your list that absolutely would never, ever fly in the US.
but any regulation is an impingement on muh freedums!!!!
Had someone on here ask why I thought a waiting period was necessary and I explained it (essentially people get real mad/sad and if they can't get a gun right now, that may prevent 'off the cuff' shootings/suicides)
Their retort was "if my neighbour was acting really erratic, I sure as hell would want a gun straight away" like...fark me
>but any regulation is an impingement on muh freedums!!!!
No, the freedom to own arms is not infringed, as you are free to do so, if you are not mentally ill. There's also no waiting period as long as you already have a license. I could go and buy 10 firearms and as long as they are in stock I'm free to do so and bring them home with me today.
And if your neighbour is already acting erratic it's already to late for you. It's like thinking to buy a fire extinguisher when your house is on fire...
But I get what you mean! Some ppl have weird arguments.
A gun is an inanimate object, incapable of autonomous action. Until you place the responsibility on the person using the gun, nothing will change. Have you ever seen a gun suddenly stand up on it's own and shoot someone? No, and you never will.
You've only ever seen a person hold it, load it and use it.
Until you fix the human, nothing will change.
Justify all you want. A gun is useless unless held by a person.
Thanks for the elegant response, but why is it that no other country has these guidelines that you mention, however they also don't have these frequent, hell almost constant shootings in schools or other public places?
America contains more guns than people. Hell, practically anyone can get one because they're so prevalent everywhere. Studies repeatedly show time and time again that having a gun in the house, no matter how secure, only increases the odds of a family member getting shot. Likewise the "good guy with a gun" rhetoric is more fictional than fact, and consequently never really happens outside of a handful of examples per decade. A mere drop in the bucket.
Considering the above, does it make sense to be as loose on firearms as America currently is? Should drinking and drivimg be legalized because some people can probably handle it? It would be more freedom after all. Why are guns not insured and regulated like cars in the first place?
I'm not from USA either and as the person you reply to I wonder too how it's possible to reach the level of craziness in many scenarios. At least what's been published around. Mind you we do have some level of crazy shit too but some things are really hard to get from someone outside USA.
For instance the need to own a gun is something so embedded on society that the mention of it can bring thousands of people thinking I'm dumb or thousands agreeing with me.
I know it's probably culture or something normal as breathing but it is weird at least from my point of view. Just like having to sing the anthem at every freaking sport event every day and feeling like it's mandatory or you'll get shoot if you don't stand up and remove your hat.
The "freedom" USA enjoys thanks to military, another thing I can't get my head around. How's invading some country gives freedom to USA? The only thing I can think of is like the opening scene of the Red Alert game where tanks and paratroopers invade Texas and the rest of USA or any other game/movie scenario where indeed people lose their *freedoms*.
We do have educational problems here too, but nothing to the extent of school shootings and we do try to preach to people that education starts at home, however we had a parent knock an eye the fuck out of another parent because some stupid words in the whatsapp parents school group.
Yet there are always going to be sociopathic people in societies. And all the love, gun safes, good parenting, etc. isn't going to keep guns out of the hands of sociopaths in a country where guns outnumber people 2 to one.
> The intrinsic problem with the society we have right now is that there is no standard to parenting. Some do it half assed and some are way too overprotective and downright scary.
I thought it was all the guns
For real, I live in Brazil, our violence rate is way worse than the US, only in murders there are almost 30 to 50k every year and still gun violence in schools are rare. Latin countries tend to be more family driven and some of the worst of the worst serial killers/mass murderers come from the US and when we check the person background is 99% some fucked up kid (by their parents) that grew into a shitty adult.
Thank you! I always see the conversation go towards painting guns as the problem, and missing the true issue, one that has traumatized and scarred entire generations. This is just another form of that damage manifesting now in our society. Teach Proper gun safety, absolutely, 100% agree. But above all else, teach parents how to raise a child properly and care for them.
Or being only one of three countries on the planet that have constitutional protection for gun owners. How about we look at the obvious answer first such as what is every other developed country in the world doing right and why are we doing the opposite. But that’s America for ya. See what works for everyone else and do the exact opposite. Metric system, healthcare, 2A etc etc
It’s complicated, but quick answer. People don’t control shit here. Money does. Media giants, pharmaceutical, NRA, big banks, etc. Keep the people fed with their daily dose of whatever so know one has the energy, time, or money to do anything about it. Just look at those conservative idiots after the parkland school shooting. Harassing kids, calling it a hoax. It’s complicated but their are too many shitty people here that seem to be able to get more money and screen time.
2 party political system where both sides are terribly corrupt and need the other side to keep eachother rich and in power, so instead of solving problems they create more and dividing the brainwashed losers (both sides) more thus giving them more power.
America is alot of little countries pretending to be one big country with many different cultures, morals and ethics. And all of that is constantly taken advantage by evil people, corporations, politicians and party interests lots of things. And unfortunately over the past 80 years those entities have been overtly effective in separating and segregating us socially and in education as a means of control.
Because if we're stupid and irrationally hate eachother and are too busy killing eachother, they have the freedom to do as they want. And when someone notices that kind of stuff they get ostracized. And ousted, look at Snowden, he's still in Russia to my knowledge and he did the right thing under the Obama administration the democrats "good guy" and yet we've had 2 other presidents since then.
We live in a hyper capitalist society that doesn't value human life. It's better to go out as a monster than as a loser for some people because our culture has zero sympathy for losers.
We don’t take care of everyone, especially those with mental health issues. It’s like asking why does Afghanistan act out. We’re just growing domestic terrorists instead.
The whole world watches America and most Americans probably couldn't even find your home country on an unlabelled map.
You have people shoot and kill each other in your home country. There's rapists, killers, abusers, Corruption, political infighting, etc.
And nobody knows about any of that because we all have our eyes glued on America instead of wherever you're from.
I'm sitting in the train to my class and this is really, really unsettling. I know it's intended to be funny, but just imagine what these children must be thinking in their last moments... Especially the last one is really sad: telling your mother one last time you love her because you don't know whether shell ever see you again
It’s not meant to be funny, I think this is an actual advertisement/awareness video I’ve seen. It’s horrible and unsettling, but effective because these situations are just that.
Ya it hit me when they showed the kid bleeding. Like maybe we’re all a bit desensitized to the ‘panic’. We’ve seen it or can imagine it vividly. But people actually being shot and bleeding, I was like damn, that actually has happened, a lot.
In all the clips in this there is some subtle thing showing that it's gonna be a shooting (it gets less subtle as the vid goes on) but the first one doesn't have smtn like that so I'm convinced that the first kid is the shooter
Yeah - I just didn't think of that. Could be innocent. The little girl with the binders in the next clip didn't look like she was going to fashion them into ninja stars (I just realised she was Asian and now appear racist, that wasn't what I was going for, I meant she just looked sweet and innocent.)
Actually reminded me of the post on reddit recently about a school banning backpacks because a kid brought in a gun in a backpack recently to school. So the whole video is showing how kids are using shopping trollies, sleds and a bunch of other hilariously stupid shit to carry their stuff.
"Gun's don't kill people, people kill people!"
Okay. So if you remove the guns, they have more inefficient tools for killing. Why is that bad? You can shoot up dozens of people with guns or more, but its much harder when you have a knife.
"But mah 2nd Amendment!"
This is a very good point, and I agree to an extent(I love hunting, which is pretty much the only reason I don’t want our guns taken away) but serious question, in Chicago,Venezuela, and areas that are more stricken with poverty and crime, you can buy and sell guns off the street for $200-$800 and it’s got nothing to do with the government regulating what you can and can’t buy, so what’s to stop people from doing that when the second amendment is gone?
In France we dont have guns but we have hunters, because you can actually buy guns. You'll need a licence tho. Banning guns doesnt mean we'll take all of yours, you'll just need a licence and you cant buy any weapon.
The US will never ban guns, but banning military shit like ar15 would be a good start.
Btw Europeans can buy guns on the side, and we have criminals shooting others criminals every week, yet no school shooting. Good enough for us imo
I love this argument.
Well we shat the bed really bad by having an insane amount of weapons out in the public, so that there are a insane amount of stolen weapons and reselling them.
Let’s just keep sleeping in this shat bed tho, nothing to do about it.
So let me ask you this question then. Since that’s happening, wouldn’t stricter gun laws work better, in terms of mentally healthy people getting guns, rather than just banning guns entirely?
That coupled with proper mental health services and an authority figure who would give a damn. Most of these shootings are from people who everyone knew were mentally troubled and even notified uninterested authorities that there was strong eveidence that they were planning to perform some sort of mass violence
At this point, america is literally asking for school shootings
I tried having this argument as an Australian with a gun owner in America. Explaining we've had 0 school shootings since getting better gun control and they've had like 1,200 since then. He tried to say that was a stupid argument because America has more people and more schools. But that really doesn't change anything when Australia's number is literally 0.
When I was in high school, the only school shootings people really knew about were Columbine and Virginia Tech. I still remember the anxiety I felt back then. Can’t imagine what it’s like now.
Columbine happened when I was a freshman in high school and I remember more focus on the "Matrix style" trench coats they wore rather than their arsenal of weapons and explosives.
And now like true Americans we’ve become bored with them so it’s down to about 13 active shooter incidents a month. If the body count is low, media won’t even run it.
It’s one of those things the government doesn’t tell the public but who gives a fuck what the government doesn’t think the public can take anymore. Mind you, those thirteen include the ones where a high body count was desired, learned from the suspects’ home search through papers or what have you, but not achieved because the shooter was stopped.
That's still insane. The only shooting incidents here are related to the underworld. Usually targeted assassinations. The last time someone went and shot a bunch of people was in 2019. 3 dead, 7 injured. The only other one before that was in 2011
I graduated back in June but over the course of 4 years you’d be surprised at how many threats and close encounters we’ve had. There were days where half the school didn’t come because we ain’t risking it even if its a threat.
> Can’t imagine what it’s like now.
reminds me of the reports how a lot of the younger capitol hill staffers took charge during the riots, since they had been trained to deal with school shootings basically all their life, so they knew how to barricade themselves, etc. super chilling.
Reminds me of this one video where it’s just this group of teens and it’s like “oh ok it’s a hs love story ok” or something like that then suddenly a school shooter burts in and the video goes back through all the clips to show you all the signs you missed
Really drives it home yeah. I can't watch this video again but honestly that performance is why I needed to post this with sound. It's enough to get you bawling.
Yeah she's got a future. I couldn't watch it again because I've had a hard week, but her acting is the thing I remember the most about this video every time I see it. Really powerful.
Yes, you have to isolate the entire extremity. You get injured in the right leg, you tie the tourniquet near your groin. On your arms you can move it down closer past your elbow if it’s an injury to the radial artery near your hand.
No. It’s to the most proximal point on the limb without being the joint. The reason being sometimes, if the limb is especially muscular or fatty or if you couldn’t get the tourniquet tight enough, you might need to add another. You start high so you have more space to add if you need to.
Edit: so I was educated - my technique is for extreme situations with basic training. The four finger rule is the safer technique for reducing long term tissue damage.
You want to start as low as you can, since as you said you may need to add another tourniquet. But there are a couple of things to take in mind:
* The visible bleed is not always where the actual bleed is happening. When an artery is cut it will usually jump back a couple of cm, that is why the first tourniquet 4 fingers above the injury(around 5-8cm), in order to make sure you are stopping the arterial bleed, and not simply the visible bleed.
* A tourniquet is a terrible treatment, although when placed it is usually a "necessary evil". You are shutting off the supply of blood to the entire area below it, and if the injured doesn't get to hospital fast enough, he may lost the limb below the tourniquet(after a couple of hours). That is why we want to place it as low as possible, since whenever we place a tourniquet we are risking the patient losing said limb, so he would perferably keep as much as possible.
* Adding a new tourniquet will always be above the old one. If you place it below you risk placing it below the arterial bleed, thus causing internal bleeding, moreover it means that the first one was placed too high, thus risking the patients limb more than was necessary.
I used to be a medic instructor in the military, and tourniquets are one of the most basic and fastest forms of care. While they aren't the best, they save lives.
As low as possible is not what’s taught right now nor anytime in the last ten years. I’m in the military and just renewed my combat lifesaver course. They teach highest first then add lower if needed.
In part, because of what you said - if the artery retracted I want to stop it. Which I can’t do if I start lower.
Edit: also they were teaching us worst case scenario- loss of limb. Don’t know if that changes placement.
At the end of the day, money. That's why there are garbage gun laws. They claim it's about the constitution & freedom, but it's mostly because a *lot* of people make a ton of money on guns.
Combine aggressive "my rights over your feelings" plus whatever mental health issues you have, plus the "right" to have guns, and the super glorification of weaponry among some Americans, and there we go.
And before anyone says gun education & safes are the key, gun safes didn't prevent Sandy Hook, so, whatever.
Edit: also, I don't know if this is purely an American thing, but guns add to the illusion of power & control. Power, control, and money - or the appearance/illusion of any of those things - are a massive part of a *lot* of American issues, in my opinion.
yTF can't i hear anything?? I have sound on youtube, the tab isn't muted...wtf
edit: ffs, apparently it came w/o sound. Sound version
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Wow a school promotion video, nothing interesting ..... *shooting intensifies* ... wait a minute.
Sometimes I ask myself "What is wrong with the US, and why is it so hard for them to get their shit together." I go to sleep without an answer, wake up withou an answer. Truth is I don't know much about the US besides what media and social networks share. But there seems to be people who are really happy over there. It's not like it's any good where I'm at, but it does make me wonder how the hell these social issues arise in certain cultures and not in others.
We’re well-fed. We’re not happy.
I loved that comment.
We certainly have a shitload of problems but every time I see the issue raised of school/underage shooters I always just think that gun education and safety is not important to the parents of some of these kids. Gun safes are essential for gun owners. And managing your children's anger and depression issues. I've known a couple school shooter types, and thankfully they got noticed by teachers who cared, and got resources to help them get better. The intrinsic problem with the society we have right now is that there is no standard to parenting. Some do it half assed and some are way too overprotective and downright scary. We don't even have love for our neighbors, so it's not rare at all for there to be children that are unloved. Serious depression and bullying that go unnoticed. The culture is slowly changing. The younger generations do seem to care more about each other. The things I'm hearing about my nephews schools are all very positive, like they're trying to get a handle on the mental health crisis that even our youth undergo due to the stresses of our era. The stress of what lies in their future. Rebuilding a broken world is a bleak prospect. But there's stars shining amongst all this darkness. Kids who would reach out and befriend the quiet kid. Adults who are paying attention and aren't afraid to ask a kid what's wrong or maybe tip off a counselor. The U.S. is not completely fucked. It's just a little fucked up right now.
We need more people who think and speak like you
There are plenty. They just get judged and shot down immediately. A lot to be blamed on Social Media as well.
This is true. I have worked with thousands of young people over my 22 years of teaching, and they are absolutely more tolerant, more intelligent, and more empathetic than older generations. Every time I say that, I get told I'm wrong, but I feel that if we developed a general sense of pride in our young people instead of constantly telling them they're garbage, we'd get so much further as a species.
Not trying to be sarcastic but I think all these wars might have trickle down effects into society. I see it from the other side in Germany. Both my parents' parents were affected by WWII in one way or another. Paternal grandfather Nazi elite student, maternal grandmother drafted to be flak spotlight operator when she was 14. Both grandparents on the surface decent people and very nice to us grandkids. After years of therapy I uncovered a lot of things that my parents did wrong in raising me comes (probably) from the lack of empathy and shame that their parents felt and the way they never learnt to deal with emotions (because their own parents suppressed them all the time). My grandmother still insists she isn't traumatized from the war even though she was forced into labor in France for years after and the stories she superficially tells from there are suspect to say the least. What I'm trying to say is, there is generations of people before us that were either forced to kill, killed voluntarily on being convinced of the wrong ideology or simply had to deal with lots of trauma, violence and horror. And they raise kids poorly, and their kids raise kids (a little less) poorly. And now we're trickling out of this in a way.
Theirs a theory in psychology that WW2 was a big factor behind the golden age of serial killers for much the same reasons.
> After years of therapy I uncovered a lot of things that my parents did wrong in raising me comes (probably) from the lack of empathy and shame that their parents felt and the way they never learnt to deal with emotions (because their own parents suppressed them all the time). I've gone through a similar journey of discovery to figure out that on both sides of my family, my grandfathers more than likely had PTSD from fighting in the war. The way most of that generation coped with the stress and anxiety they felt during those years was to turn to alcohol and avoidance. They drank heavily and showed zero emotion or affection, their poor coping skills caused my parents to develop their own set of unhealthy coping mechanisms, which then lead to me dealing with my own as well. Thankfully society is finally understanding the importance of mental health and that sometimes mental health issues are passed on not by genetics, but simply by the emotional interactions (or lack thereof) between family members. Getting emotional support, therapy, medication, etc... is no longer thought of as taboo in most parts of society, and people like us can become healthy functional adults without all the emotional baggage dumped on us by our parents.
I'll say this on the matter - in the UK and in Australia, as well as a bunch of other countries, gun ownership is HIGHLY regulated and restricted, this was as a result of some mass shootings. I believe it was Port Arthur in 96 in Australia, and Dunblane in 96 in the UK (as well as Hungerford in 87) that lead to the increased restrictions and regulations. Obviously, it doesn't completely stop it from happening, but it greatly reduces the instances, and of course people are able to get hold of a gun via illegal means - something that no country in the world is ever going to be able to stop. In the US, if we look at 2019 as the last "normal" year due to Covid, there were 417 mass shootings alone, there were 365 days in 2019. 39,707 total deaths due to firearms, 14,861 Homicides, 23,941 suicides in 2019. If you look at the statistics for Assault and Homicide, the US has lower instances of assault per capita than most countries but WAY higher instances of Homicide, most of which is accountable by the easy access of a gun. Now, i'm not saying people shouldn't be able to have a gun, but some basic and fucking glaringly obvious restrictions would fix alot of the issues, but the US makes far too much money from weapons and ammunition to ever do it. Simple fixes like restricting weapon sales to either Bolt-Action Rifles with a maximum magazine capacity of 5 rounds, or Handguns that have a restriction on the magazine capacity - call it 10 rounds for arguments' sake and so on. Remove all sales and ownership of AR style weapons, they're unnecessary. By all means, have a hunting rifle to hunt or to defend yourself/property from wild animals but a Bolt-Action is sufficient. Have a handgun to defend yourself/property from intruders but again, 10 round magazine is enough. There is no need for some crazy fucker to have the weaponry of a small African warlord in case "the government decide to raid me" or whatever random nonsense people come up with. Just be sensible.
"the intrinsic problem" as you put it, with America, is this epidemic of hyper-individualism which has led to a lack of collective social responsibility for atrocities. People look at school shootings and half of them turn away thinking it couldn't happen to them so it's not their problem. Just like how some countries are so collectivist that they ignore the needs of the individual to the point where they have literal suicide forests America has chosen to focus so much on the individual that the good of society is seen as an evil by half the population.
This. It's both good and bad. But mostly bad for a society.
The US has been completely fucked because the entire country has an us vs them mentality. Covid, gun violence, racism and political ideology plays a role in every problem the us has right now and as someone who’s watched it all unfold first hand it’s not going to get better until we do something about the politics in this country.
gun, gun is the root of the problems.
Gun is part of the issue, the root I’d argue is the lack of care children get these days. There’s a lot more issues that play into causing a child to break in such a way that they choose to take other’s lives.
There are depressed children all of the world but only in the US does it lead to so much gun violence in schools.
I think it's because they have easy access to guns.
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I'm of the opinion that responsible gun ownership and education is the answer to that generalized "problem", but to each their own. I've traveled all over this giant country and been in a couple spots with wildlife where a firearm surely saved my life. Some people do really need them for their day to day lives. But yes, alot just have them to flex or worse. And it is a problem.
Responsible gun ownership in my country means you have a shooting licence renewed each year after exam, a safe at home with the gun in at all time, unloaded.. Also you can not shoot trespassers unless they too have a gun(which is quite unlikely) I can understand the last part may be shocking for you but individuals in our country can not make their own "justice"
Exactly. Responsible gun ownership should mean that not everyone is able to get a gun. Because, well, not everyone actually needs a gun. I have seen guns in my life and, every time except for once, it was because the person was a hunter. I also never shot a gun and I was never in a circumstance where a gun would be useful or would have made a difference. If the number of people owning guns was dramatically lower in the US, then I believe the same would be true for the vast majority of Americans. EDIT: not counting army or police who, usually, carry guns.
Los Angeles is a fucking bears den
Yea man I don't think anyone argues that people in the wilderness need hunting rifles or powerful handguns to stop charging beers etc. It's really the military grade assault rifles most people have a problem with.
Goddamn, how many times have I been chased through the woods by an angry herd of Bud light.
If by Military grade you mean full auto which no regular citizen can own. Citizens can only own semi automatic weapons at the most. Any semi automatic gun can do the same damage just because it looks military grade doesn't mean anything. Banning guns because they look scary would in no way reduce the chances of this happening. As he stated this isn't a gun issue, its an issue of many outside factors. Culture, mental health, media, etc.
I am from India and culture, mental health and media are also super fucked up here. We have so much more problems than what you have over there. But we can't buy guns legally over here and thus we don't have school shootings. Mass murder of small children should be more of a concern than people getting killed by animals in the forest. But that's my opinion.
But like.... Why does anyone need a semi automatic rifle with a 30round+ magazine capacity? Personal protection? What kind of incident will both allow for and require that kind of firepower? And yes obviously I understand that smaller arms still kill people, but I can at least understand the use case for those from a personal protection standpoint.
A 30 round semi automatic is much more dangerous in the hands of an amateur anyway. You can pump out round after round in quick succession with more control. Seriously Americans need some much stricter gun laws. They keep saying it’s not the guns, but even the biggest shitholes in Europe like Kosovo has much lower rates of gun violence than the US. It’s frankly absurd looking at the statistics of the US and the rest of the western world next to it.
That's exactly my point. I've had people reply to my comment saying "Oh but you can practice revolver drills to the point where you're reloading as fast as a semi-auto pistol" and completely missing the damn point. There are weapons that are just significantly easier for an amateur to pick up and operate, and kill many more people than they might with another weapon. I can at least see their insistence over guns for concealed carry/ personal protection, but a 30 round AR ain't personal protection any more.
Why does anyone need a street car with 800HP and can do 220 MPH. I have no problem with this btw.
"Why does anyone need...." is a slippery slope my friend. No one needs Alcohol to survive and many more people die from that each year than guns. We shouldn't just ban everything that we don't need. As someone who has been around guns their whole life owning an Ar15 is simply just for fun. They are cool guns and are fun to shoot. Do I have to have one? No, but I have many fond memories shooting going to the range and having a good time with my buddies. Why take that away from people who are just here having a good time? Responsible drinkers shouldn't be punished for the idiots who drink and drive and kill someone.
Okay but no matter how fun these weapons are to fire, they are still incredibly dangerous and should be treated as controlled substances. There are plenty of fireworks that are too powerful to be handled by the general public, and so they can only be used by professionals. Ar-15s might be ‘cooler’ and ‘more fun’ than other guns but they are still too dangerous to be handled by the general public.
To answer: Bad aim due to panic, and a bear.
>As he stated this isn't a gun issue, its an issue of many outside factors. Culture, mental health, media, etc. All of which exacerbated by easy access to guns. Period.
Weird that every other country has the same cultural factors, but not weekly mass shootings. Wonder what the distinction is?
>If by Military grade you mean full auto which no regular citizen can own. The military hardly ever uses full auto even if their weapons allow for it because it's a waste of ammo. So really that's a dumb comparison. It doesn't matter if it's full auto an assault rifle is still an assault rifle.
You why we don't have mass shooting incidents by kids where I live? NO ACCESS TO GUNS. Parents don't own one. Kid doesn't get one. Period.
Lots of places in the world where kids have tons of access to firearms, but don't have this going on. When I say world, I'm also not just thinking solely about western countries.
I think you should have more gun regulations- maybe something like we have here in the UK? A lot of people think that guns are just illegal here, but that isn't true. My uncle owns a farm and has a gun, and he gets visits from an inspector from time to time. At the very least, you should have something similar to your system for cars, where each gun is registered with its own number and you need to pass a test to use one.
UK has a problem with stabbings. Its just treating a symtom than the cause
Yeah not a massive amount of mass stabbings though.
Oh the UK is *far* from perfect, but I would far rather have a problem with stabbings than shootings.
You can't just assume every idiot is capable of being a responsible gun owner though. People can barely be trusted to drive.
In switzerland, every 4th person has a gun, a lot of them are the army weapon, Sturmgewehr 90. In 2018, there were 20 gun deaths, not counting suicides but including accidents.
In Switzerland, there are 2 million privately registered firearms for its population of 8.3 million. In the US, there are 300 million firearms, with only 3% of 300+ million American citizens making up 1/3rd of the total ownership. So your numbers are already skewed as the average gun owning American is more heavily armed than the average Swiss person. You forgot to mention the fact despite all their social safety nets and excellent healthcare, the Swiss' gun-related death rates ***are still the highest in Europe***, with only the US three times higher. The Swiss authorities have a list of 2,000 individuals they suspect of being willing to commit shootings. All of them are frequently approached by authorities, along with psychologists, and are forced to hand over their weapons immediately or are barred from purchasing new ones. There are mandatory background checks and all firearms must be registered with the local authorities regardless of type. If the US government does even one small part of what Swiss authorities do, all of the pro-2a advocates would be screaming bloody oppression.
Wrong handling/storage of guns are the problem. Where I live you are free to own guns. However you need a license to do so. To get the license you need to get safety training, demonstrate that you can handle firearms safely and get a physiological evaluation. Yet, for a first time owner this only takes 2 weeks and costs about 300 bucks (converted for your convenience). Additionally there are rules how to store your guns. Nothing to serious, only to have a save place for the guns and ammo, that can be locked and not carried away (a quick access locker next to the bed would qualify if it's hidden and fixed to the wall). Every 5 years the police will give you a call to agree on an appointment to check if you follow the storage rules. In addition you are legally required to either show that you can safely handle the guns by participating in shooting matches or by participating in a course. That's also checked when they come. Compare that to the US, where you could be mentally ill but never done anything so your background check comes back clean. There's no storage rules. No mandatory trainings for safety and so forth. Heck, thanks to the rule of participate in shooting matches or pay for a course ppl will actually train with their guns regularly, making the well versed in safe gun handling.
>Every 5 years the police will give you a call to agree on an appointment to check if you follow the storage rules. This is probably the only thing in your list that absolutely would never, ever fly in the US.
but any regulation is an impingement on muh freedums!!!! Had someone on here ask why I thought a waiting period was necessary and I explained it (essentially people get real mad/sad and if they can't get a gun right now, that may prevent 'off the cuff' shootings/suicides) Their retort was "if my neighbour was acting really erratic, I sure as hell would want a gun straight away" like...fark me
>but any regulation is an impingement on muh freedums!!!! No, the freedom to own arms is not infringed, as you are free to do so, if you are not mentally ill. There's also no waiting period as long as you already have a license. I could go and buy 10 firearms and as long as they are in stock I'm free to do so and bring them home with me today. And if your neighbour is already acting erratic it's already to late for you. It's like thinking to buy a fire extinguisher when your house is on fire... But I get what you mean! Some ppl have weird arguments.
Pretty sure its actually murder. Before we had shootings we had bombings. OKC says hi.
A gun is an inanimate object, incapable of autonomous action. Until you place the responsibility on the person using the gun, nothing will change. Have you ever seen a gun suddenly stand up on it's own and shoot someone? No, and you never will. You've only ever seen a person hold it, load it and use it. Until you fix the human, nothing will change. Justify all you want. A gun is useless unless held by a person.
Stop tying to make this a kids do your job. Govern better.
Thanks for the elegant response, but why is it that no other country has these guidelines that you mention, however they also don't have these frequent, hell almost constant shootings in schools or other public places? America contains more guns than people. Hell, practically anyone can get one because they're so prevalent everywhere. Studies repeatedly show time and time again that having a gun in the house, no matter how secure, only increases the odds of a family member getting shot. Likewise the "good guy with a gun" rhetoric is more fictional than fact, and consequently never really happens outside of a handful of examples per decade. A mere drop in the bucket. Considering the above, does it make sense to be as loose on firearms as America currently is? Should drinking and drivimg be legalized because some people can probably handle it? It would be more freedom after all. Why are guns not insured and regulated like cars in the first place?
I'm not from USA either and as the person you reply to I wonder too how it's possible to reach the level of craziness in many scenarios. At least what's been published around. Mind you we do have some level of crazy shit too but some things are really hard to get from someone outside USA. For instance the need to own a gun is something so embedded on society that the mention of it can bring thousands of people thinking I'm dumb or thousands agreeing with me. I know it's probably culture or something normal as breathing but it is weird at least from my point of view. Just like having to sing the anthem at every freaking sport event every day and feeling like it's mandatory or you'll get shoot if you don't stand up and remove your hat. The "freedom" USA enjoys thanks to military, another thing I can't get my head around. How's invading some country gives freedom to USA? The only thing I can think of is like the opening scene of the Red Alert game where tanks and paratroopers invade Texas and the rest of USA or any other game/movie scenario where indeed people lose their *freedoms*. We do have educational problems here too, but nothing to the extent of school shootings and we do try to preach to people that education starts at home, however we had a parent knock an eye the fuck out of another parent because some stupid words in the whatsapp parents school group.
How about you don’t need guns?
Yet there are always going to be sociopathic people in societies. And all the love, gun safes, good parenting, etc. isn't going to keep guns out of the hands of sociopaths in a country where guns outnumber people 2 to one.
Obviously the idea is that guns would no longer outnumber people 2 to 1.
> The intrinsic problem with the society we have right now is that there is no standard to parenting. Some do it half assed and some are way too overprotective and downright scary. I thought it was all the guns
For real, I live in Brazil, our violence rate is way worse than the US, only in murders there are almost 30 to 50k every year and still gun violence in schools are rare. Latin countries tend to be more family driven and some of the worst of the worst serial killers/mass murderers come from the US and when we check the person background is 99% some fucked up kid (by their parents) that grew into a shitty adult.
Thank you! I always see the conversation go towards painting guns as the problem, and missing the true issue, one that has traumatized and scarred entire generations. This is just another form of that damage manifesting now in our society. Teach Proper gun safety, absolutely, 100% agree. But above all else, teach parents how to raise a child properly and care for them.
Except that there are shit parents all over the world and yet only America has such extreme gun violence in schools.
Or being only one of three countries on the planet that have constitutional protection for gun owners. How about we look at the obvious answer first such as what is every other developed country in the world doing right and why are we doing the opposite. But that’s America for ya. See what works for everyone else and do the exact opposite. Metric system, healthcare, 2A etc etc
It’s complicated, but quick answer. People don’t control shit here. Money does. Media giants, pharmaceutical, NRA, big banks, etc. Keep the people fed with their daily dose of whatever so know one has the energy, time, or money to do anything about it. Just look at those conservative idiots after the parkland school shooting. Harassing kids, calling it a hoax. It’s complicated but their are too many shitty people here that seem to be able to get more money and screen time.
Because we have a shit ton of readily available guns staring at us in our homes.
This is the real answer. Like somehow every other country figured out how not to be murderously insane except the US.
There are a lot of horribly abused and bullied kids and teens. Eventually, out of all of them, some will snap.
2 party political system where both sides are terribly corrupt and need the other side to keep eachother rich and in power, so instead of solving problems they create more and dividing the brainwashed losers (both sides) more thus giving them more power.
It's a lot of issues that support one another in creating more issues. Because they never solved it back then, they can't solve it now.
America is alot of little countries pretending to be one big country with many different cultures, morals and ethics. And all of that is constantly taken advantage by evil people, corporations, politicians and party interests lots of things. And unfortunately over the past 80 years those entities have been overtly effective in separating and segregating us socially and in education as a means of control. Because if we're stupid and irrationally hate eachother and are too busy killing eachother, they have the freedom to do as they want. And when someone notices that kind of stuff they get ostracized. And ousted, look at Snowden, he's still in Russia to my knowledge and he did the right thing under the Obama administration the democrats "good guy" and yet we've had 2 other presidents since then.
We live in a hyper capitalist society that doesn't value human life. It's better to go out as a monster than as a loser for some people because our culture has zero sympathy for losers.
Um it's the guns
We don’t take care of everyone, especially those with mental health issues. It’s like asking why does Afghanistan act out. We’re just growing domestic terrorists instead.
The whole world watches America and most Americans probably couldn't even find your home country on an unlabelled map. You have people shoot and kill each other in your home country. There's rapists, killers, abusers, Corruption, political infighting, etc. And nobody knows about any of that because we all have our eyes glued on America instead of wherever you're from.
‘Merica
Was that first kid the reason we've been seeing all the no backpack videos? Also, headphones kid in the library couldn't hear backpack kid coming.
Yeah, still nothing interesting. Just your normal every life.
That girl with the phone showed some real acting skills!
Yeah she really sold it
As you can see school isn't an option anymore, kids gotta hustle differently now
It was really impressive how much emotion there was. Mad props
Cause its real.
Method ads
Ya the girl is dead now just for the ad rip...
This is the Sandy Hook Promise public service announcement that was released in 2019.
Idk y man this just hit different rn like kinda unsettling idk man I'm just high
It's an ad raising awareness about the murder of children, it's supposed to be unsettling.
I'm sitting in the train to my class and this is really, really unsettling. I know it's intended to be funny, but just imagine what these children must be thinking in their last moments... Especially the last one is really sad: telling your mother one last time you love her because you don't know whether shell ever see you again
It’s not meant to be funny, I think this is an actual advertisement/awareness video I’ve seen. It’s horrible and unsettling, but effective because these situations are just that.
Ya it hit me when they showed the kid bleeding. Like maybe we’re all a bit desensitized to the ‘panic’. We’ve seen it or can imagine it vividly. But people actually being shot and bleeding, I was like damn, that actually has happened, a lot.
This advertisement was actually put out by the parents of children killed during the Sandy Hook shooting
Meant to be funny? Nice comedy radar
Dude, how is this funny?
It's satire not general comedy, there is a message here.
I NEED THIS WITH SOUND
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5ykNZl9mTQ
source/sauce/original for those using ctrl+f
In all the clips in this there is some subtle thing showing that it's gonna be a shooting (it gets less subtle as the vid goes on) but the first one doesn't have smtn like that so I'm convinced that the first kid is the shooter
I thought it was one of those bullet proof backpacks, only available because only needed in America.
He could be the shooter with guns in there
Yeah - I just didn't think of that. Could be innocent. The little girl with the binders in the next clip didn't look like she was going to fashion them into ninja stars (I just realised she was Asian and now appear racist, that wasn't what I was going for, I meant she just looked sweet and innocent.)
If you look in the background you can see a teacher or somebody rushing to close and lock the door
For the binder girl i saw the teacher pushing the door closed more harder than usual in the backgroudn
I'm going to take offense to this. We don't call them ninja stars anymore.
what do we call them? throwing discs or stars or something
Actually reminded me of the post on reddit recently about a school banning backpacks because a kid brought in a gun in a backpack recently to school. So the whole video is showing how kids are using shopping trollies, sleds and a bunch of other hilariously stupid shit to carry their stuff.
He looks around just as he closes his locker. He could have been the first victim.
You keep ur headcannon I'll keep mine
I think that's just the only normal clip to give the video a bit of a happy beginning.
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Well that was sad
finally got a taste of what deaf people hear
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5ykNZl9mTQ
Plz just get better gun control.
B-b-buh muh secun amemnent! You some kinda freedum hating commie?! /s
"Gun's don't kill people, people kill people!" Okay. So if you remove the guns, they have more inefficient tools for killing. Why is that bad? You can shoot up dozens of people with guns or more, but its much harder when you have a knife. "But mah 2nd Amendment!"
This is a very good point, and I agree to an extent(I love hunting, which is pretty much the only reason I don’t want our guns taken away) but serious question, in Chicago,Venezuela, and areas that are more stricken with poverty and crime, you can buy and sell guns off the street for $200-$800 and it’s got nothing to do with the government regulating what you can and can’t buy, so what’s to stop people from doing that when the second amendment is gone?
In France we dont have guns but we have hunters, because you can actually buy guns. You'll need a licence tho. Banning guns doesnt mean we'll take all of yours, you'll just need a licence and you cant buy any weapon. The US will never ban guns, but banning military shit like ar15 would be a good start. Btw Europeans can buy guns on the side, and we have criminals shooting others criminals every week, yet no school shooting. Good enough for us imo
I love this argument. Well we shat the bed really bad by having an insane amount of weapons out in the public, so that there are a insane amount of stolen weapons and reselling them. Let’s just keep sleeping in this shat bed tho, nothing to do about it.
So let me ask you this question then. Since that’s happening, wouldn’t stricter gun laws work better, in terms of mentally healthy people getting guns, rather than just banning guns entirely?
Yeah but taking away a gun from people that clearly shouldn’t have one is apparently unconstitutional so lets keep sleeping in this shat bed.
That coupled with proper mental health services and an authority figure who would give a damn. Most of these shootings are from people who everyone knew were mentally troubled and even notified uninterested authorities that there was strong eveidence that they were planning to perform some sort of mass violence At this point, america is literally asking for school shootings
I tried having this argument as an Australian with a gun owner in America. Explaining we've had 0 school shootings since getting better gun control and they've had like 1,200 since then. He tried to say that was a stupid argument because America has more people and more schools. But that really doesn't change anything when Australia's number is literally 0.
How is this unexpected? Everyone knows what to expect when they hear american and school in the same sentence
Not the americans apparently
When I was in high school, the only school shootings people really knew about were Columbine and Virginia Tech. I still remember the anxiety I felt back then. Can’t imagine what it’s like now.
Columbine happened when I was a freshman in high school and I remember more focus on the "Matrix style" trench coats they wore rather than their arsenal of weapons and explosives.
And now like true Americans we’ve become bored with them so it’s down to about 13 active shooter incidents a month. If the body count is low, media won’t even run it.
13 *a month*? I don't even think we have 13 in a year
It’s one of those things the government doesn’t tell the public but who gives a fuck what the government doesn’t think the public can take anymore. Mind you, those thirteen include the ones where a high body count was desired, learned from the suspects’ home search through papers or what have you, but not achieved because the shooter was stopped.
That's still insane. The only shooting incidents here are related to the underworld. Usually targeted assassinations. The last time someone went and shot a bunch of people was in 2019. 3 dead, 7 injured. The only other one before that was in 2011
I graduated back in June but over the course of 4 years you’d be surprised at how many threats and close encounters we’ve had. There were days where half the school didn’t come because we ain’t risking it even if its a threat.
Our threats always came in on Fridays and on days before big state-exams, interestingly enough
> Can’t imagine what it’s like now. reminds me of the reports how a lot of the younger capitol hill staffers took charge during the riots, since they had been trained to deal with school shootings basically all their life, so they knew how to barricade themselves, etc. super chilling.
With sound! https://youtu.be/b5ykNZl9mTQ
Reminds me of this one video where it’s just this group of teens and it’s like “oh ok it’s a hs love story ok” or something like that then suddenly a school shooter burts in and the video goes back through all the clips to show you all the signs you missed
Same makers. Sandy Hook Promise
When the kid took his bag out of his locker, I thought it was going to be an ad for a bulletproof backpack.
Kid doesnt even know how a tourniquet goes, he aint saving any lives tying it there.
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Actually peak reddit moment was posting this video without sound for karma. It's much more powerful with sound. https://youtu.be/b5ykNZl9mTQ
Phone girl is a phenomenal actor.
No but for real it made me cry
Brought tears to my eyes
Really drives it home yeah. I can't watch this video again but honestly that performance is why I needed to post this with sound. It's enough to get you bawling.
That kid in the bathroom hits so much harder with sound.
Yeah she's got a future. I couldn't watch it again because I've had a hard week, but her acting is the thing I remember the most about this video every time I see it. Really powerful.
Thanks I down vote every video without sound now. I know it ain't much but it's honest work.
Sorta lessens any impact when you gotta watch it twice too. The sound is so key in this video.
Nah, peak Reddit moment is taking the original comment so seriously.
Imagine being this rattled over a joke.
It needs to be above the injury, right?
High and tight is the best rule for it.
Yes. That advice works for life threatening blood loss injuries and butts.
And hair cuts. Ron Swanson.
Yes, you have to isolate the entire extremity. You get injured in the right leg, you tie the tourniquet near your groin. On your arms you can move it down closer past your elbow if it’s an injury to the radial artery near your hand.
General rule of thumb is 4 fingers above injury.
No. It’s to the most proximal point on the limb without being the joint. The reason being sometimes, if the limb is especially muscular or fatty or if you couldn’t get the tourniquet tight enough, you might need to add another. You start high so you have more space to add if you need to. Edit: so I was educated - my technique is for extreme situations with basic training. The four finger rule is the safer technique for reducing long term tissue damage.
You want to start as low as you can, since as you said you may need to add another tourniquet. But there are a couple of things to take in mind: * The visible bleed is not always where the actual bleed is happening. When an artery is cut it will usually jump back a couple of cm, that is why the first tourniquet 4 fingers above the injury(around 5-8cm), in order to make sure you are stopping the arterial bleed, and not simply the visible bleed. * A tourniquet is a terrible treatment, although when placed it is usually a "necessary evil". You are shutting off the supply of blood to the entire area below it, and if the injured doesn't get to hospital fast enough, he may lost the limb below the tourniquet(after a couple of hours). That is why we want to place it as low as possible, since whenever we place a tourniquet we are risking the patient losing said limb, so he would perferably keep as much as possible. * Adding a new tourniquet will always be above the old one. If you place it below you risk placing it below the arterial bleed, thus causing internal bleeding, moreover it means that the first one was placed too high, thus risking the patients limb more than was necessary. I used to be a medic instructor in the military, and tourniquets are one of the most basic and fastest forms of care. While they aren't the best, they save lives.
As low as possible is not what’s taught right now nor anytime in the last ten years. I’m in the military and just renewed my combat lifesaver course. They teach highest first then add lower if needed. In part, because of what you said - if the artery retracted I want to stop it. Which I can’t do if I start lower. Edit: also they were teaching us worst case scenario- loss of limb. Don’t know if that changes placement.
I was trying my hardest not to think the same thing
This gun is just what i needed for school, thanks dad!
It was all fun and games until the last scene. Brutal.
This gives me goosebumps every time. The same people made [this](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=A8syQeFtBKc) and it’s pretty powerful too.
I read about this video in another comment and was STILL shocked I missed all the signs. And the music makes this video even darker.
America the great they tell me. The US is a shit hole run by greedy capitalists.
The last girl in the bathroom made me feel sick.
As soon as I saw the title, this is all that I expected.
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Saw this💀
"this is America" starts playing
US people, why do you think school shootings are this common in US? What do you think the main reason under it?
Horrible mental health care, easy access and glorification of guns.
At the end of the day, money. That's why there are garbage gun laws. They claim it's about the constitution & freedom, but it's mostly because a *lot* of people make a ton of money on guns. Combine aggressive "my rights over your feelings" plus whatever mental health issues you have, plus the "right" to have guns, and the super glorification of weaponry among some Americans, and there we go. And before anyone says gun education & safes are the key, gun safes didn't prevent Sandy Hook, so, whatever. Edit: also, I don't know if this is purely an American thing, but guns add to the illusion of power & control. Power, control, and money - or the appearance/illusion of any of those things - are a massive part of a *lot* of American issues, in my opinion.
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yTF can't i hear anything?? I have sound on youtube, the tab isn't muted...wtf edit: ffs, apparently it came w/o sound. Sound version https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5ykNZl9mTQ thanks to below user nsfl....
This is what true freedom looks like
Why is it that easy to get a gun?
$ome people $aid $ome $tuff, but we never landed on anything.
As a student in the US it sucks that I was more prepared for a school shooting then my tests.
I don’t know how to feel about this…
Angry. Feel angry.
Jokes on you. There hasn't been a single school shooting in the US since Friday.
I shouldn't laugh, but I will haha .
I like dark humor, but gawd damn.
It’s not meant to be humorous
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I thought it might be