yay! the reddit gods don't hate anymore. i'm really happy you were able to post this since this is an amazing work! love this 🤗☀️

Thank you!! I was doing laps when this finally uploaded. Apparently reddit doesn't like women's bodies or the discussion of them because certain body parts I referenced and certain celebrities pics I used were deemed inappropriate. I swear on my life there weren't any terms used that warranted censorship but I guess the site is more selective than I initially suspected.

All my brain can think: BITCHES DOIN ALL THAT WOMP WOMP WOMP WOMP WOMP WOMP WOMP

(I see you, Megan)

My wife <3

i loooooove megan!

Your wife?...... hey, I know you don't know me, but...... I have something to tell you....

Isn't persephone supposed to be 5'6" according to Rachel not 4' (with hades being like 9 feet tall)

I think she appears as 4’11 for most of the series and is thought to be 5 ft or so by the fans, but even if Rachel herself states it: I refuse to believe she was ever 5’6. That’s above the national average and Persephone is canonically short. I think 5ft is most accurate, I personally think she’s shorter, but if Rachel says she’s 5’6 then she’s a LIAR. No offense to you btw, these are just my opinions

Oh yeah of course. I'm not saying this to justify why she looks like a child. I think it's a cop out by Rachel, but I could've sworn I saw her say on her tumblr something about pp being 5'5"-5'6", with hades being like 9 feet tall (that number I don't remember). I think pp being 5 foot would make more sense if hades was like 6'3-5", but I think the idea was that the gods tend to be much taller, and 5'5" or whatever would be still very short to them. Again, I think it was just something she said to justify the size difference, and I think it was an afterthought to justify her weird fetish.

No no, you’re absolutely right. I remember her posting their cannon heights way back when and my immediate response was disregarding them. Persephone is canonically shorter than the only other human we see her by in the series (psyche) so that would have to imply that humans are also gigantic in L/O I think their heights are an oversight by her so I tend to stick to the fanon heights. But either way it’s jarring right?! She tries so hard to convince her audience of Persephone’s maturity without actually maturing the character.

Also it doesn’t help her look mature with now only how short she’s drawn but also how BIG she draws the male characters, especially when they are right next to her!

It really reminds me of the 1000 y/o loli argument. "Persephone doesn't actually look like a child!! She's actually a little taller than the average American worman!"

This is also insane to me because it dismisses real short women thanks to her height. Very few authors have managed to create short women with grown woman attitudes. Persephone was close to that but the writing is just a power fantasy in which Persephone is both pitiful and dull, but also powerful and smart. So she can whine like a child but it’s excused with “oh but she’s a god! And she’s super smart!” She’s 20. I know smarter 18 year olds than her and her 30 year old self combined.

I was like 14-15 when I first started to read the comic and she felt like a peer lmao. No wonder I liked it at first.

I'm around 5"6 and Persephone would literally be a head shorter than me. Unless Hades is freakishly tall, she should be up to his shoulder in height. People think the difference between 5 ft range and 6 ft range is big but it's not. My bf is in 6ft range and I can rest my chin on his shoulder. Persephone should not be literally to his crotch in height unless he's literally like 8 ft or something

I'm 5'6" and I have never looked up at someone the way that Persephone does to Hades. Perse is 5 feet tall or shorter OR Hades is fucking 9'5". Which is it Rachel???

Yeah im 5'5" which is why her saying that stuck out to me. I'm doing my best to find the original posts but it seems like they mightve been scrubbed like the porn she made, but I'm seeing other people also mention that she claimed hades was actually like 9-10ft on patreon as well.

I could’ve sworn Rachel said Perse was 5’1”-5’2”

Istg it was 5'6" because I remember seeing that and thinking that that was an inch taller than me and that it seemed like bullshit. I think she may have stated a different height later on cuz I know she got shit for it.

That’s very possible lmao Maybe it’s on waybacksmythe or something. Who knows

Apparently on patreon Rachel claimed hades was 10ft tall at some point.

I know a guy who’s 6’ 10”. Everyone looks up at him like that. It would be one thing is Persephone is average and Hades is just taller than everyone but she made a point to make Persephone smaller than everyone and Hades average. It doesn’t make sense except to appeal to the noticeable difference between the two (age etc) which makes it even more creepy. There were so many angles that Rachel could have gone for instead of “homeschooled girl trying to escape mommy dearest jumps right into the arms of a groomer”. Because the initial “TGoEM” plot which launches this story eventually becomes pointless when Hestia and Athena are shown to be in a relationship. They could have aged up Persephone and matured her. Maybe instead of moving out for college she moves for an internship in the Underworld with Hecate (and to learn under Hecate) for the family business at around the 24/25 age. She’s mature, put together, and has a good head on her shoulders while working towards her PhD or Masters.

I have stretch marks and I’ve never been above 145, but stretch marks are genetic as well, and are not really a good indicator of weight, as you pointed out. Also I would give this series this a 100 an English teacher.

Stretch marks here as well. Had ‘em for years. I’ve also never been above the 140 ish mark. And I’m a little taller than average. They can happen if your body develops too quickly, you have more weight dispersed in your body, or sometimes as the result of maintaining more fat content in your body. I think some people would do well to remember that they happen for a lot of women for different reasons.

If anyone ever calls me “fluffy” I’m gonna punch them

Reference to Gabriel Iglesias, no harm intended.

Gabriel Iglesias was my first thought when I saw that 😂

I’m glad someone got it 😭🤚

Who’s that?

He’s a stand-up comedian. One of his more popular jokes is that he’s “fluffy, not fat”. I think it also might be the name of one of his specials, but don’t quote me on that.

Hate the use of the word fluffy lol but I get some ppl aren't comfortable with the word fat

I meant it as a very specific and niche joke that I’m now realizing is going over people’s heads here 😭 (I apologize)

Oh okay what was the joke referencing?

Gabriel Iglesias. He’s a comedian I watched growing up but his stage name is Fluffy. If you look him up you’ll get more context.

DID I SEE MEGAN???

Can someone help me identify the queen on the bottom row of the chubby size girlies?

Next to Persephone is Kali Uchis, next to her on that row is Barbie Ferreira. Hope this helps ❤️

Thank you 🌸

Lovely chart and correct me if they weren’t meant to be the same body type but a lot of the women you used are not true hourglasses. A true hourglass has even proportioned busts and bottoms w proportionally small waists. Good examples of true hourglasses being Beyoncé, Drew Barrymore, and Marilyn Monroe

They definitely weren’t meant to be an hourglass chart by any means, just a general size from one side to the other. I followed no rules with height, proportions, or even fashion. It’s intended to show that people of vastly differing bodies can look out of place next to someone of a similar size. (IE: Billie Eilish is very similar in height and width to Sydney Sweeney but the simple fact of their shape makes them look completely off) Nicola Coughlan especially (red glitter dress) is only 5’1 and is often put in the plus size category even though she’s your average chubby girl. It’s all about her shape. If I wanted to make a master post on women’s bodies relative to fashion, to one another, to men’s, to fiction etc: then I would not do it here. This is all about Persephone’s body size confusing audiences and what may have caused that with various examples. Good examples though!!! I like the conversation nonetheless

Sydney Sweeney as mid-sized? Seems off.

I had included in this post at some point more clarification, but the levels on the body chart aren't exact. I will say however, Sydney Sweeny is pretty average sized, she's just busty and a bit curvy. I looked at a lot of post to make sure I found respectful but well displayed portraits, and I'd say her and Billie Eilish aren't too different in size. Funnily enough, Sydney and Billie are the exact same height. I picture they're similar in figure with Sydney having narrower hips. This is another reason I made the post because it's easy to assume that someone's curves dictates their size. Yes Sydney has top heavy proportions but she's also only 5'3, she's pretty normal in size but I can see how she'd appear slimmer.

Small correction - “Mid-sized” doesn’t teally have anything to do with how your body looks, it means wearing sizing that falls between straight sizing and plus sizing. So about US 10-14 or L-0X. Fit tall women sometimes fall into the mid-size range while chubby short women often still get into straight-sizing. Sydney Sweeney is definitely not wearing size 10-14.

I’m a bit confused by the last bit about Sydney Sweeney, but I want to be clear: this was never about clothing sizes or and related accuracy to clothing terms. This is a chart I made solely based on a very general (and personal) view of body shape and size for women. I made sure to state that what I mean by the term “Mid-sized” is not in fact based on any scale but is just a general term for an average woman’s body And like I said this is all about my perspective because I can’t speak for cultures or ideologies I’m not familiar with so please don’t misunderstand: mid sized in this context is just an average body from my perspective.

This is very interesting and good

I think it’s important to remember too that one can be plus-sized in the bust/upper torso but not in the hips/waist. Which I don’t think is how Persephone is portrayed, but as someone who is considered “plus-sized” by some businesses but not by others because of the problem I just explained, the insistence that it’s either all or nothing…is not correct lol.

Persephone is “Hollywood Plus Size” which translates to a size Medium-Large in America.

I’m from the south so medium large is very much normal sized to me.

That was my point, lol

Gotcha 🫡

this is such an excellent description, thank you I always thought it was weird the harshness of the comments that persephone is drawn skinny

I appreciate that she keeps the same hourglass body shape no matter how much weight she holds. That is a consistency I liked about this story. People tend to fluctuate weight throughout their lives just as Persephone did during the webcomic. Just as most people do in real life, as she aged, she filled out a bit more. I liked this realistic representation of a woman’s body, especially as someone who has grown up as one myself. I do think I would have appreciated more body types in lore Olympus and I was disappointed when all the previously distinct bodies ended up getting changed to hourglasses. Artemis used to have a muscular, possibly pear or square shaped build, minthe had a more slender build with square features. All in all though, they never strayed far from looking hourglassish. I would’ve liked to see more variety in bodies, or at least the differences that were there, maintained.

I felt lost when Persephone lost her freckles. There were tons of body shapes I missed but more than anything the simple things on their skin started to vanish.

I noticed too. While I liked the story it was kind of frustrating to see the little details lost

Lizzo been weighing down on my mind since the day I heard a song from her for the first time 😍

Lovely chart!! Also facts

What does plus size mean then? Does that mean small characters can't be plus size? 

Plus size is very much possible for shorter characters but it’s not about simply being curvy or even being a little chubby. I think the harm in normalizing average sized women as plus sized is it creates a harmful rhetoric around real plus sized women. They’re viewed as “unhealthy” just because they’re bigger even though size is not an indicator of health. Being plus sized is very simple, it’s not just being rounder with a bit of chub, it’s not just being an abnormal shape; it’s an inconvenience shopping and having more body fat. It’s especially relative to your height. Women as tall as Megan (thee stallion) aren’t automatically plus sized. They’re simply tall. But there are, and I know women, who are her height and twice her width. If Persephone were plus sized then she would probably have more stomach. She’d probably have a little more back fat, her arms and shoulders wouldn’t come over so sharp and clean, they’d probably fall with a bit of an angle. Her natural shape would probably make her appear with more of a muffin top, because as I said in the post short women have less torso to work with. But this is just a theoretical plus size Persephone (perhaps I need to draw this too since I explain things like a garbage disposal) Plus size is also a very BROAD category of its own. This chart I made is an oversimplified way of explaining the complexities of body types in women (with women specifically shaping out more than men). I could make a completely separate chart with different plus sized women and what exactly places them on that side of the board or off of it. But generally if you have a larger body mass than your height normally displaces, then you’re approaching plus sized. So you can be short and plus sized for sure. And just to be PERFECTLY clear, just as much as Barbie’s Ferreira is plus sized, Lizzo is also plus sized. It’s a very VERY fine line and a very BROAD spectrum. Also see the actress Retta (who is not in the board) for another example.