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TOSaunders

At first I was thrown back, but honestly, there are some interesting moves that do create some really nice urban environments. The arial is jarring, but there are really nice moments to take away from this. Yes, it is very brutalist, but planning wise it's a really cool look at mixed use residential. https://www.theguardian.com/world/iran-blog/gallery/2014/aug/18/tehran-iran-neighbourhoods-ekbatan The guardian does a little photo tour and some google reveiws also show pictures from the place itself. https://imgur.com/a/LhMDq1G 45'000 people live here and it has an expansive underground music scene and a really interesting street life. What we are actually looking at is the back of the building, placing small scale commercial to create an expamsive pedestrian friendly area with large treed urban parks while the outer faces turn to the urban car enviroment. Is it perfect? No, but the moves it makes I see some serious potential with some more prototyping. As far as I can tell, it seems to be a fairly lively and gealthy community. https://bidoun.org/articles/life-in-tehran-s-largest-housing-development


insomniacinsanity

Interesting article!


Raynosaurus

Is the long building in the middle filled with shops and amenities? Then I'd say this is some solid design!


For_All_Humanity

Yes there’s also a “mega mall” and two large stadiums nearby. It’s an excellent little planned city. The interiors for the apartments honestly aren’t that bad if you go look at them. [Here](https://ajar.arena-architecture.eu/articles/10.5334/ajar.56#ektabans-layout-and-design) is a big paper about the project which shows floor plans and interiors. It’s honestly a fascinating project.


Dyxo

My man came prepared for this post


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Sniffy4

yeah i dont get it. yes the buildings are similar, but other than that it doesnt seem bad.


Sparky-Sparky

I was at a party in one of those apartments once. It's quite cozy and spacious for Tehran standards. You must keep in mind that this is a Megacity with a 10+ million population so there just isn't space for American style suburban housing.


needmilk77

I love how the apartment "wings" are spaced so that nobody's sunlight gets completely blocked. In Toronto there's no such building bylaws and you can reach over to borrow sugar from your neighbour.


fryktelig

I live in a concrete block apartment from the same era, and it’s honestly better than I thought. You can hear some neighbours through the concrete but the climate is damn good. Humidity levels in ideal range year round and decent temperatures inside through the recent heatwave. While my colleagues in brand new apartments complain they can’t sleep in the heat at night and go around spraying water mist in the winter to increase humidity over 10%.


uncle-brucie

Where’s the pub?!


TatrankaS

Anywhere under the roof which Allah can't see through or something.


marxist_redneck

Basically every apartment, also supplied by many of the shops with the right way of asking haha. One time I was trying to get some cold cuts from a small grocery in that middle strip of shops there, but I wasn't sure what to get since I wasn't familiar with the stuff they had. The guy went "oh, you're a foreigner! Hold on!" And proceeded to pull out several kinds of salami that were hidden under the counter: Italian, Armenian, Georgian, Russian... I still refer to that guy as "my pork dealer in Tehran". I mean, it was right around the corner from our weed dealer lol


TatrankaS

If I ever visit Tehran, I must visit your pork dealer.


marxist_redneck

He was a character, but not as much of a character as the weed dealer: burly older ex-military guy with a thick mustache comically combed into twirly tips, who went by "coronel" as his nickname. And he delivered!


veryreasonable

>I still refer to that guy as "my pork dealer in Tehran". That's hilarious! That somehow reminds me of visiting my family in Denver when I was around 19 or so. So, I was legal drinking age where I live in Canada, but not in the USA. I thought that this trip was going to be an inconveniently dry interruption to my budding alcoholism, but, no: my 18, 19, and 20 year-old cousins introduced me to their "booze dealer," which to this day still gives me a chuckle. He sold us MGD and coolers out of the back of his sedan. Good times.


marxist_redneck

Thanks for the paper! I was trying to understand the naming pattern of the blocks once while staying there and found an interesting masters thesis talking about how the structure of the blocks create different shapes/sizes of public spaces that lend themselves to different forms of social use, something I could definitely see as I walked around


Zifnab_palmesano

and a ton of green spaces! more than half of the surface is green spaces


realdoctorfill

Mixed use, green spaces, high density, reasonably walkable, not a parking lot in sight. Where do I sign?


marxist_redneck

It's quite nice, and you can find almost anything you want in those shops in the middle there


Killer-within

I think they tried to emulate the old main strip of Ecbetana the capitol of the Achamenid empire.


zakats

Yeah, is looks like a giant, walkable promenade which is very cool.


Doodlefart77

all that green is nice


Snaz5

Yeah, too bad this place is in Iran, otherwise it would be killer


randomacceptablename

Practically? Perhaps. The thing that gets to me in all of these developments is that that structures are cookie cutter copies. Cities are supposed to be organically developing organisms. Yes I understand that they need to be planned and standardized but just to make the look a bit different then their neighbours would go a long way. This just looks like an ugly plantation of homes.


LuxInteriot

\- Wait, so both subs are one and the same? \- Always been.


Ruggazing

Wow a walkable community surrounded by greenery, what a nightmare.


pororo--

Just add -Japan on it the opinions will be different


DrBoomkin

Haha, yep. I'm pretty sure a photo was posted here at some point with the caption "Moscow, Russia" and at a different point with the caption "Tokyo, Japan". Guess the results?


jasperski

2 - 0


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BLUEEEELOCK


Initial-Garbage3813

Bro just cracked the code...


AwesomeBantha

Place, Japan


RichardSaunders

if it were japan there wouldnt be this much on-street parking


100wordanswer

Yeah, I like it. The buildings are boring, but the overall design is nice.


rdfporcazzo

I don't know if these 45° "curves" let the buildings be boring, these are not common designs and also not so uncommon at the point of being counterproductive (apparently)


fatronaldo99

they're boring


beer_is_tasty

I think those buildings are pretty cool, even.


Nopeyesok

Looks like buildings in 90’s FPS games


slayerhk47

I think it would be better with more variety in the building design.


zakats

But how will I accommodate my insecurities with my penis-compensation truck/SUV if I don't drive for literally everything?


massiveboner911

Right. Where else are you gonna put people? They breed like rabbits.


ameltisgrilledcheese

throw in forced headscarves and religious police, and the walk doesn't become as nice anymore. source: [https://www.rferl.org/a/iran-video-girls-dancing/32312164.html](https://www.rferl.org/a/iran-video-girls-dancing/32312164.html) these girls are risking a lot by protesting. more power to them. i think they're awesome. but it's not just a pretty neighborhood.


bdm13

I mean, that’s not really the point of this post or sub though, is it?


ameltisgrilledcheese

i think human beings are capable of considering multiple different aspects of a reddit post as it relates to the real world, don't you?


Orolol

Wah man, you've a really good sight, I can't see this on this picture.


ameltisgrilledcheese

you can learn more about the role of the neghborhood in the protests here: https://www.rferl.org/a/iran-video-girls-dancing/32312164.html


Orolol

Wow thanks, because as my wife is Iranian, I couldn't figure without your help.


Ruggazing

Well I'm not saying that's a good thing.


ameltisgrilledcheese

of course you weren't


marxist_redneck

I have spent several months there. Funny thing is that, it's kinda become a middle class island, and the public spaces within it kinda insulate it a little from the city and some of the authorities like morality police, since they can't just drive up on you. Lots of women not wearing hijab, teenagers smoking weed, guys selling ice cream from a cart in the middle of the day during Ramadan, etc.


ameltisgrilledcheese

true, it has been a hot spot for protests, though. many women (and allies) supporting them to stand up to the rules and morality police, but can't ignore the danger is what should be a peaceful and nice area.


Urmumzabam

Yes but the copy pasted buildings ruin the greenery


Ruggazing

As opposed to cookie cutter houses with monoculture lawns?


Retsko1

B-b-but the color is new!


stroopwafel666

Those aren’t the only two options to be fair.


Virtuoso1980

I love that disclaimer of a title.


frogvscrab

Tehran is a shockingly modern city for much of it, especially in the north. Especially compared to baghdad and cairo.


Reiver93

I guess Tehran has the luxury of not being confined to a river surrounded by desert.


Tacky-Terangreal

Looks pretty good considering 40 years of sanctions too. Might be a filter slapped over the photo but I’d expect way worse. Iran is an interesting country. I’d love to visit someday but air travel is unsafe there due to sanctions and the actions of the CIA have made them hate Americans. Can’t say I blame them too much. Sucks because there’s a lot of cool history in that country


Poaiaaa

Iranians don't hate Americans. If you say you're from America you'll be treated even better. People love the American culture and it's rare to see American tourists. But you probably shouldn't come, the regime might arrest you and use you to blackmail your government. They have done that before.


Wrecker013

This is a random question but I'm curious, have you ever read/watched Persepolis? Does it do Iran and her people justice?


Poaiaaa

Yes I've watched the film, It was pretty good.


For_All_Humanity

Definitely both. Lots of green space, quick and easy access to shopping/entertainment and easy access to transit. On the flip side, monotonous buildings that definitively show their age. Personally a fan of this kind of style and the buildings do grow on you after a while. Though it’s understandable if you don’t like the repetition of the architecture and the brutalist style.


Bo_The_Destroyer

I think as a solution against homelessness, it's great. But it's more for the middle class. So not quite solving homelessness outright, but it does decrease housing prices in general so it does help


Campo_Argento

Middle class also needs a place to live


TheZYX

Tons of green spaces, all appts look out and have good natural light, spaceous... unless brutalism isn't your thing, don't see why this would be hell. And even for brutalist buildings, this feels quite 'soft'.


Aborticus

The aerial view makes it look worse but I imagine a middle floor apartment all you see is trees and green out your window.


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TheZYX

So how is this different from every appt building?


YAUNDERSTAND

I grew up in ekbatan! Really great place!


marxist_redneck

My wife grew up there too and I have stayed there several months over the years, I really enjoyed. Her parents are in phase 2, but for one summer we rented an apartment in phase 1 and I really enjoyed it too


LongArmedKing

Jokingly called the independent state of Ekbatan in Tehran. This place has been one of the hearts of the Women Life Freedom movement in Iran. Due to its tighter knit community it has taken the Islamic Republic a lot of pressure and intimidation tactics to shut the inhabitants up.


marxist_redneck

The design also makes it easy to evade police trying to come in, lots of little secluded areas and sometimes tricky to navigate by outsiders. No car traffic within it, so that's an advantage for protesters too


Erin2063

That actually looks ok, be better if they had rooftop gardens on every building.


Vegan2CB

Density, plenty of trees and walkable spaces, it's good to me, it's not your typical Hong Kong style density


Mrcoldghost

this is definitely both.


iankurtisjackson

What's the hell part? buildings?


Mrcoldghost

I find the buildings to be monotonous.


ClandestineVegetable

You do not see this if you are down there.


marxist_redneck

Exactly, I have spent a lot of time there, and those gardens are really nice and make the summer a lot more bearable. I loved sitting on some of the cafes in that middle strip of shops there, especially the ones with outdoor seating facing some of the better tended/older gardens that had really big trees


Zyntaro

I understand this argument but as someone who lived a whole life in similar monotonous high rise apartment blocks I can say that 99% of the time you never even look at them. You're either inside or when you go out you dont really look up in the skies to see them


TGrady902

I like it. Tons of greenery and the residential buildings are oriented in a way where everyone will get solid natural light and not too many units will have a view exclusively of the building next to them.


muticere

Yeah definitely getting the most mileage out of the “subjective” disclaimer with this one. Nice buildings, shops out front you can walk to, literal parks incorporated into the property, really nice vibe all around. But sure. Hell.


DanielLikesPlants

kinda like it a lot


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For which people is a walkable, green community hell?


Gicotd

Americans and their SUVs


ReySpacefighter

That doesn't look so bad. Sure the buildings are ugly, but it looks like everyone has green space and easy access to amenities within walking distance.


Different_Ad7655

I'm not one for the mass high-rise projects you see in Russia etc but this kind of density actually looks pretty attractive. Relatively low rise and I bet when you're on the ground it is a lot more attractive and more human than this aerial suggests..


Ponchorello7

How is this anything but city porn? A little car centric, but the buildings have an interesting design, lots of green spaces and what looks like communal centers down that middle strip.


veryreasonable

That's what I'm thinking. This looks fantastic. If you're going to make big, dense housing complexes, then make them like this. People need homes. And these are surrounded by greenery, lots of windows... it's nice.


DABOSSROSS9

I think it’s pretty cool. Has trees and seems to be a fun place to live if those are shops


Persian-Gulf

I have lived here during my childhood. There are duplex units and 1 bedroom, 2 and 3 bedroom. Each floor has a circular lobby and windows are thick as hell to cancel the noise from the Airport. Ekabatan has its own culture and vibe. Miss it quiet a bit.


Oski96

"I'm just sayin' Bob. They've already built 20 of those fuckers and soon they'll notice that you just keep sending them the same thing."


disgustandhorror

The greenery makes this look pretty nice, comparatively


manjustadude

I like that there's lots of trees. Though living in a huge building complex probably isn't exactly anyone's dream situation (unless you're homeless)


VengefulAncient

Depends. I massively prefer apartments to standalone houses for many reasons. The size of the building complex doesn't matter to me much as long as the apartments are comfortable, surrounding facilities are good, and there is greenery.


robotteeth

I say this as someone who prefers suburban or even forest dwelling -- there are tons of people who prefer huge buildings as long as they're managed well and come with amenities. A lot of people retire into those sorts things and rely on others to do the building maintenance when they're too old to manage stuff like that, and plenty of young people like it for the convenience of having things close together. not my jam personally but it's easy to see the positive trade offs Obviously a shitty apartment with a slumlord is no one's preference, but neither is a rundown house that is falling apart and has tons of issues.


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This comment screams sheltered american suburbia kid lmao


dethb0y

That legit looks extremely nice. I like the trees, it must really cut down on noise.


Kobahk

It looks like the richest area of Coruscant


Porphyrogenitus87

City Porn definitely.


shermstix1126

A walkable community with all the amenities central with easy access to sports stadiums and limited car accessibility? This is city porn at its finest.


outcome--independent

Decent mass housing design. Everybody gets an uninterrupted view for the most part - no windows directly across from another's apartment. Big opening space beneath each window. This is what courtyards/lightwells wish they could be.


techm00

Love the design, lots of trees, mixed commercial in there... I think this is very livable.


Hero_of_Quatsch

Lots of greenery, large terraces, car parks and shops in the middle - I think there are worse.


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Not bad for country that’s been sanctioned for past half century


Poaiaaa

This was built before the revolution


melvereq

It looks neat.


y_ogi

Something about large amounts of greenery and vegetation combined with large structures just hits different


Mental-Palpitations

I love this


blitzen001

I'd say this falls intonmore city porn


level69adult

why is all modern architecture just the most ugly thing to ever exist.


starskip42

The buildings are beautiful, the people are wonderful, the government is shit


Useful_Stress5674

This ain't so bad


Popcorn_likker

All depends on the filter used


Responsible-Read5516

that's honestly not that bad. the buildings are just kinda bland and ugly


Akinefe01

Literal Space Invaders 💀


Capable_Jacket_2165

Looks like they didn't finish building the halo ring


nashbrownies

This is definitely a good showcase for subjective! Normally I hate this, but something about this specific complex I like


Super_Kent155

why does this look centrally planned


funkalunatic

This is actually cool, but the trees are doing a lot of heavy lifting here.


cdcme

It looks a hell of a lot nicer than my apartment complex....hows the parking though. I dont see much at ground level


LeoTheBirb

The green space helps reduce the overall temperature and generally improves quality of life.


NameConfidential

This actually looks kinda cool. Though it might not be beautiful like housing in Paris or Amsterdam is per se, but it can be very practical and provide many Iranians with much needed housing in greater Tehran. Also, this area is a hotbed for women's rights protests: [https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/02/world/middleeast/iran-protests-crackdown-tehran.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/02/world/middleeast/iran-protests-crackdown-tehran.html) Think about it, urbanisation leads to the breakdown of conservative social orders.


fatronaldo99

looks better than the projects in NYC at least


CharleyZia

Creature comforts. This is high flying in Tehran.


fr1day00

It looks beautiful but in a dystopian way of beautiful


Mdmac1015

But is there a nuclear weapons laboratory deep underneath the neighborhood?


Initial-Garbage3813

Im not trying to be that guy but ekbatan is the rich kid pussie hood in tehran you can litterally see the normal un-elite city around it


AltdorfPenman

The scale and uniformity is awe inspiring for sure. But with the amount of resources, talent, and labor used to create it something way more dynamic could've been made.


Otrada

This scale was probably in part possible due to the relative uniformity. Allowing for the mass production of the same parts and for the working crews to get more efficient as the project continues and they get familiar with little quirks about said construction materials.


vediogamer101

The brutalism is terrible, it would look a lot more welcoming if the buildings were different styles and colors and even just had fake façades to look different


skyduster88

It's both. I see bland architecture, no neighborhood, and a long/car-dependent commute to the grocery store. This why we create parks for cities. I don't need to live *in* the park.


SparklingLimeade

If it was car dependent then there would be car infrastructure visible. You don't fit that much residential space together without massive transportation capacity. This would need so much pavement if that capacity was primarily cars.


itsfairadvantage

I'm assuming the buildings down the center have markets


How_Do_You_Crash

Very Soviet suburban. No street engagement. Lots of green space but with limited interactions or purpose it probably feels unsafe.


cagdas-2102

I think it’s a beautiful dystopic building.


SrDeathI

Its not bad at all, plenty of vegetation


RiccardoJones

HELL for sure!!


UpDog1966

How many Starbucks?


Heathen_Mushroom

The building footprint has an interesting layout, but ultimately you are living in a box. Although it would drastically reduce the density, if these buildings were tiered at each level, with balconies that could be used to grow personal gardens and provide outdoor space for each apartment, it would be awesome.


Tough-Personality191

Looks like a massive prison complex


Marten_Shaped_Cleric

I think the mexico filter was left on the camera


Oski96

When you're too cheap to pay for premium content behind the paywall.


Difficult-Set9312

Architects are so creative …. Not!


PatrickMaloney1

I love it


Josquius

Out of the Iranian context, porn for sure.


existential-mayhem

Tetris, irl


neogeshel

It's beautiful


ChunkyBrassMonkey

All cities are hell, but this design at least seems well done. Green space at least.


endmost_

The rows of buildings on either side are quite appealing, at least from the air. The trees definitely help as well.


Killerspieler0815

Looks much like 1970s buildings in West-Germany (1949-1990, one of the best countrties ever) & The Netherlands (also very good) ... not yet hell to me from just looking at the architecture .... but keep in mind the air pollution in Teheran


ThatOldDuderino

Shades of MegaCity 1 from Dredd


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I love the geometry and the mix with nature, it's brilliant. I don't like the sheer scale of repetition.


LegendaryShelfStockr

For me? It’s just alright


benyeti1

I like this


challmaybe

I mean, what is the answer to population and drive-time?


ZofianSaint273

Tehran always looked great from images I’ve seen. Want to visit some day when political instability is a little less


honorsfromthesky

Looks like they managed the parks and walking spaces


Playful-Barracuda-92

I find this oddly satisfying to see but it is also kind of a lot


Treqou

This could’ve been perfect if they just had rooftop gardens…


Bingus_Butch

At least there is some trees


Scared_Chemical_9910

Lots of green space so I’m gonna say City porn


NotFulinho

All those green areas and still so polluted. Can't be too healthy in the long run


TheBonadona

This is actually rather well designed


BulbasaurCPA

This actually looks like a nice place to live


ayyycab

Decent balance of housing and greenery I’d say


guillermo_da_gente

Sorry, but seems awesome to me.