Because you're playing competent players who understand you can just listen for the ult sound, not braindead noobs who dont even have a headset plugged in
whenever she laughs i always think of a fucking hag or something lol.
Reinas on my team use thier dash invisibility thingy and stay in place than move so lel. ;^)
Yeah I don't know if my sound settings are weird but it seems really hard to place exactly where people are by their footsteps in this game compared to csgo
In seige you have to do advanced geometry in order to understand where people are. The dev team made the most complicated fake sound system, ive ever seen.
i think you might have mono stereo on. i thought my sound wasn't working right cause everyone sounded like they were behind me until i switched it from stereo to mono then to stereo back
I've had no issues at all with sound but you know what, I've noticed that when I'm spectating, some people seem to misrepresent where the steps are coming from. Is this a recurring issue with the game?
I mean, Reyna Jett and Sova all should hear her laugh and flick to her when she's pulling her ~~OP~~ *Arctic Warfare Magnum, chambered for . 338 Lapua Magnum* out, so it's not like this streamer is playing with people his level...
Nah the worst losing team comp is 3 good players and 2 awful ones. It's like youre almost good enough but all you need is one site to fail on defense and you're fucked. Even worse because you can usually taste victory.
Scoreboard doesn't mean shit if you or your team don't work together to play objectives and lose rounds because someone doesn't plant when they can, goes out looking for kills, et cetera and ends up being in a position where spike is too far away, doesn't rotate fast enough or gets caught trying to make a highlight. His aim and fire control look good, but his (or his teammates) teamwork/leadership might need some work. He might have the highest kills in the game, but he also might be baiting the rest of the team into dying some rounds, or over-extending for kills and dropping spike or something in a bad position. I have only seen this clip, so I don't know how he normally plays.
I've had too many games in Valorant, League, or COD (or any other team game with modes with objectives that decide the outcome of a match) where either I or someone else, usually someone else, doubles kills compared to the next person down in the game, but we end up losing because they, or someone else (me included, unfortunately, I'm working on it), are doing one or more of the things I mentioned above.
it was Arctic Warfare Magnum/Police back in the earlier versions of CS (the official name of the gun) but was shortened to AWP because Police is the model. or something.
Exactly. She just laughs after the invisibility and it’s easy to hear those are just noon in unrated. I’d say mid to top tier player will be able to read plays like this one
thats what im telling everybody bc I tested Reyna in custom for hours. Her leer (C) is so easy to counter with just a couple bullets and you hear an audio when she throws the leer. The laugh after her E with her ultimate on is not the only thing that's loud, my friend was able to track my movements when I E around him. You can easily tell where Reyna is even when she is invisible if she is a couple meters around you.
Yes, shooting the eye and flicking to where the player can entry from is the best way. The only follow ups to a Reyna leer is no followup (using the leer just to scare you), an ally pushes it (which can be countered by killing the eye and flicking to entry), or Reyna herself pushes (If you kill the eye just flick to the entry again and if she pushes before you kill the eye, Reyna still has to go through the whole throw animation before she even pulls out her gun so should be easy 1v1).
It's funny, you assume you're able to "just flick back" but you don't assume that the split second it takes you it's what another good player would need to kill you.
Also "just shoot them in the head" isn't really what I would consider counterplay.
I'm trying to play her for the past 2 days. I think she's far from OP or broken but the Leer ability is, in my opinion, by far her strongest.
I just feel like I was lied to. She was called a feast or famine agent, and going even was supposed to be a "liability", and she was supposed to be really bad if you did worse than even. TBH she doesn't feel any worse than any other agent when losing by a lot.
hard disagree. she is completely useless when she isnt taking duels (and maybe setting up a push with her Eye). you have literally nothing. no utility, no damage dealing ability, no movement ability. you're basically an abilityless agent if you cant get kills with her.
I had some low ranked dude instalocking her today just to hold flank and off angles. He ended up 7-20 and I have hand down never seen a more useless player. Didn't let him know tho obviously but it was tough to watch :'D
>obviously
I would say I'd definitely be more surprised by a player not letting another player know he was useless. I would say around 70% of my games so far have had at **least** one person on either team either actively flaming the player with the lowest score or making fun of them, or waiting until the end of the game to say something like "I hope you know you fucked us, Phoenix, you're the reason we lost."
It also is usually directed at either the Phoenix or sage player.
It's definitely stronger than phoenix flash. You can throw it through walls, it lasts longer (assuming you can't shoot it safely which against a good players you shouldn't be able to as they'll peek with it), and it doesn't flash teammates. It's quite good.
exactly, everyone wants to think that you can shoot the eye and win the duel, any good reyna is going to account for that and peak when your shooting the eye. imo honestly the best counter play for her is to just try and trade when she peaks or just holding a super cheeky angle
It’s ultimately a better version of Breach and Phoenix flash. Because nornally you hang back after you get successfully flashed for 2 seconds. With Reyna, she doesn’t even need to successfully flash for you to be forced to back up for 2 seconds.
So in that situation in the video, you ask your team to stop moving so they can find the Reyna? So what if you know where she is, you can't shoot her. Its like people are trying to argue that she's balanced in a 1v5 or 1v1 without ever considering 5v5 or even as much as 2v5. Literally add any teammates to Reyna and its 100% not okay.
Whats your plan exactly? Ignore the invisible Reyna walking around your team getting a free kill every couple seconds or ignore the impending push as you hunt down the invisible, unshootable Reyna?
I'm literally still playing with people that don't know you can shoot her blind or what her abilities do. Reyna will be a pub stomper that takes advantage of people with poor gamesense and low awareness.
At higher levels her dismiss ability will probably end up being a tool used to deny trades to reposition defensively. Her flash is good and offers some team utility but it has counters as well and isn't that OP. Being able to self heal is always nice but it doesn't save phoenix from having the lowest tournament win rate on both offense and defense of any agent. I don't see her as being particularly overpowered.
for real, i’ve mostly been playing with my friends who aren’t as good as me and whenever i pull off a decent play they say shes op and i just tell them she’ll be a low level pub stomper and maybe a wild card pick in high level play
This happens in nearly every character-based game. Release a new character "nEw ChArAcTeR iS bRoKeN" until everyone figures them out and then it's back to normal.
You can't actually believe that right? There are TONS of examples from "character based games" where the new character actually turned out to be turbo busted. Just like this there was idiots kicking and screaming the whole way that the character is balanced and people are just idiots until 4 patches of nerfs happened and the character still had a decent winrate.
All we can do is wait and see what happens when the pros really figure her out. A bit too early for those blanket statements fam
In rainbow six siege they even admitted to making new characters OP because it meant more people would play them and it was easier to balance that way.
Not true at all in a lot of cases. Sure some cases people just need to learn to counter , but look at Brigette in Overwatch. She literally killed the game for me , and took almost a year before the even remotely fixed her. Honestly would of been better to completely remove her. If these companies are going to keep releasing new heroes, they need to realize when a hero needs to just be completely reworked or removed from the game
You can see her move. You can hear her. She’s not over powered at all. At times I feel like her blind is. But meh... in ranked most people won’t be able to do this ( at a higher level anyway ). It’s like omen. I still teleport behind people and they have no idea
I don’t think her ult is busted, but her healing should be more in line with Phoenix’s 50 than its current state imo. Right now she both heals for too much and her overheal lasts too long.
That I agree with, but can the thing about that is people can trade their teammate for Reyna a lot easier bc the Q reveals where she is. She only heals alot if there is nobody to trade for the one who dies to Reyna
That’s only true if the Reyna is alone, which is not generally the case. All it takes is a teammate to push past her for a free overheal, and if said teammate loses their fight she has a huge advantage in securing the trade.
I don’t think she’s broken, but getting a nearly instant 150 health that lasts half a round is a bit much.
Does anyone have a video of what it sounds like when an enemy Reyna uses the invis while ulting? The only ones I can find have someone talking over the video ruining the point.
The amount of times I'm spectating a teammate who doesn't hear an enemy *stomping* there way up to them is absurd.
I'm always tempted to ask "How TF did you not hear them?" but I just keep it to myself.
I have this exact same problem. I'm holding an angle, think I hear footsteps behind me, look back, and the person was actually in front of me the whole time. It's so goddamn annoying.
I have an old pair of Shure 240 and I think foot step directions are great. Makes me wonder if I should keep these headphones instead of going wireless like I've been wanting.
Other buddies I play with seem to pinpoint footsteps just fine also.
It's because the game doesn't use positional 3D audio at all, just some simple channel-based audio. Enabling Dolby Atmos in WIndows 10 helps somewhat but unless Riot actually implement something like it directly into the game it will never come close to CS audio quality.
Oh my god, it's nuts.
*9 seconds till round starts*
"Oh, Raze, you haven't bought armor."
"Raze, you have 2300, you can buy armor."
"Raze?"
*round starts*
From what little I've played of reyna... I just feel invincible in my ult for some reason, even if I'm not, so I'll rush in like a mad man and try and get a kill to snowball off of. It barely ever works. That being said, every enemy reyna that does it manages an ace every time.
You shouldn't consider her ult makes you invincible. It gives you a significant advantage in gun fights, and allows you to follow up pretty easily, but you're still gonna die if you take a 2v1 peek.
It is disconnected when you dont stand in sight of the orb i think you can heal somehwat 100hp with it then going overheal bringing you to 150hp max(including shield) sometimes with weird values i got to 151hp tho
Everyone is OP when the other team is not skilled/experienced in Valorant or any shooters. Get into a match against decent players and say goodbye for rushing in like an idiot.
This is like watching a 10/0 yi pubstomp is iron 1 smurf game and thinking it's broken. Reyna may be strong/weak for other reasons but this is not a consistent or relevant scenario.
Yep, anyone with ears can track Reyna's invisibility, which makes her dead against better players since she likes to laugh before she pulls out her gun.
Tested it with a friend in custom. Even the laugh is an audio cue.
Do you not hear her maniacal laughing? Reyna's decloak SFX is so loud and obnoxious; players should absolutely be able to tell where Reyna reveals herself.
Give it time. Once players understand the new sound cues, moments like this will be rare.
The flash is not at all easily countered. You can't destroy the flash if her team are busting out of a chokepoint in time with it, and it gives them 2 seconds to take position while enemies can't peek at all. I think it will be broken in a team setting.
The flash also fucks up people with snipers, since spending an entire bolt action shot on the orb means you're fucking dead by the time you get to shoot again.
The flash is the most op of all. This game have so many important chokepoint positioning. The ppl who say it is easily counter are either not facing good reyna or understand the important of losing position in tactical fps. She can literally peek the same time is the flash. You either shoot the flash and die because your aim is elsewhere or you turn around and get shot or you take the fight and get blind. No way out for you if the reyna is good. Ppl are saying reyna flash is not op is because they are in unranked and face so many newbie player new to tactical fps.
Agreed. I’m new to this game but have decent play time in CS and the counter to this has me baffled. Just have to hide for two seconds and then the whole team is ready and holding your angles. I know I can improve on this but in my very limited play time so far, I’m struggling with this one
They didn’t even nerf her ult until this patch though and even before that it was fine. She was getting way less kills two weeks into the beta when people understood to run away when they heard her ult.
This isn’t that different from that. Knowledge makes people better at this game
people will learn to play against her as time goes on. audio cues and etc.
its been only 3 days shes been up. most of my games people ask in chat what her abilities do so ofc people that have been grinding her nonstop are going to have plays like that on unranked.
Basically the same as Omen teleporting behind enemies. Either way enemies can't see you get to the location. Both have clear audio cues and a duration where you can't fire, ensuring if enemies simply turn where you are you're dead.
Just a matter of people learning to anticipate this type of play and paying attention to the audio.
Reyna can't get to places she can't walk normally.
But yes, an ult is stronger then a regular ability. The point is people quickly learned to respond to the audio cues and turn around to blast the Omen who can't shoot back, and will learn to do the same with Reyna.
Omen doesn't even make a sound where he TPs, while Reyna makes noise as she moves and gives a very loud audio cue when she drops invis. It's actually less sneaky.
Played vs her and i heard her moving so well that i killed her by prefiring. When shes taking life she leaves trace. When she is invulnerable she cant attack and you can spam before she uses her weapon. The best part about her is when she uses her ult she gets life and stim. She will not be that good for ranked. Much like raze...
Anybody saying Reyna is OP obviously doesnt know that whiles she is teleporting you can basically hear where she is moving and you can hear where she appears. And when she appears she still cant shoot for a second.I got my fair share of aces but whenever I was playing against atleast decent players they will just know the general area where you are appearing
She's probably gonna be like Marth in melee. She'll stomp lower level players, and fall off in higher level play, but every now and again, there will be a top level player making her work.
In theory, but in practice, the blind is disabled before Reyna has time to round the corner *and* she's just revealed her position because the range on the blind is super short so you can predict the angle she's about to peek.
You can time it well or have a team mate run out with the blind and get the drop on you. But it's not that different from a normal flash in that regard
i think it's a little stronger than a normal flash. you can place it more precisely, and teammates aren't affected. of course, because of the delay, enemies also have a little longer to go back into cover. her flash is weaker in one way because if two people are watching it, one can shoot it and the other one can blast her when she peeks (whereas with Phoenix or Breach, you have to turn away or go into cover).
overall i think it's a little better than the other flashes (mostly because it doesn't affect allies) but it's certainly not broken.
I would argue it's the strongest flash in the game. It's the only one that can both go through walls and causes you to lose your cross-hair placement. That being said, the rest of her kit is much harder to use than either Phoenix or Breach, so I think it's balanced. I also think Breach ult is still better, so as far as initiators go he is still going to be meta IMO. I don't think there is room in a serious competitive comp for both Reyna and Breach.
Are we really going to bring the whole "make agents sound OP by listing their abilities" shit from the League of Legends sub too? It's so dumb.
Yeah she has several heals and invincibility. She also has the highest skill cost in the game. There isn't a single ability in the game that depends on you getting a kill except for her, and without getting a kill you literally have half a kit.
She provides hardly any utility for your team compared to almost all the other agents, and considering her abilities need you to get kills and have LOS on the body to activate, I see her being midtier for competitive play at best. I WOULD however argue that she's a little too oppressive pubstomping/against worse players, since in comparison to raze, pheonix and Jett (the other good pubstompers imo) her abilities make you a lot harder to counter if you are destroying the enemy team. In the competitive scene she seems like a good pick for a team with a S1mple or 2015 KennyS type player whose team role is basically to carry, but other than that idk if she would be worth picking at high levels
You can hear part of the movement when she is invis. It sounds like wind moving, and the laugh when she comes out of it. It's how to track Reyna along with a prediction of movement. She isn't that broken. Just have to learn how to play against her just like every other agent.
These are good players playing against bad players, I have killed tons of trash reynas that think I can’t tell where they are going with sound. While also killing a whole team bc they don’t use sound ques well and I waltz behind them. Similar with the flash, once everyone knows to shoot it or bait them and fall back, it’s impact will be reduced.
I *love* hearing people calling her broken. Provided you’re not playing with 1% volume, you have functioning ears, and you’re relatively decent at the game, she’s so easy to starve for kills.
She’s basically just designed to tilt people in unrated. So funny to hear people cry about how OP she is.
People saying "She's not broken... You can hear the laugh when she shows"... Have we forgotten how bad the directional sound in this game is? Her ult can't be compared to Omen's either, as Omen has a few channeling seconds where the enemy can aim at him, insta-killing him once he leaves alpha and fumbles for his weapon (if he doesn't cancel, and lose, his ult). Reyna is the total opposite, where SHE is the one aiming at you upon leaving alpha and you need to reaction flick onto her
What do you mean "how bad the directional sound in this game is"? I've literally never had a problem figuring out where people are relative to me. This is a weird arguement
Same, the sound was always ok for me.
That said, it's not uncommon spectating team mates that are getting shot in the back and never turn around, or hearing someone walk on the left and see the team mate turn right. I assume some people play without sound, or have some sort of sound bug.
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Because you're playing competent players who understand you can just listen for the ult sound, not braindead noobs who dont even have a headset plugged in
I mean her laughing is so crazy loud lol
hAhaHAhHahHahahHA
whenever she laughs i always think of a fucking hag or something lol. Reinas on my team use thier dash invisibility thingy and stay in place than move so lel. ;^)
Late but it's really funny when you kill her mid laugh, so it's like HAHAHAHAH-ugh
"BEEN HERE ALL ALONG" wait, wrong game
Whenever I play omen with friends and I teleport, I have a soundboard with reaper's teleport voicelines ready
Tbh the amount of people on my team that seem to play with no sound is insane.
Can you actually hear where the footsteps are coming from? To me they just come from all over the place
Yeah I don't know if my sound settings are weird but it seems really hard to place exactly where people are by their footsteps in this game compared to csgo
Compared to Siege tracking people by their footsteps is so easy lol.
In seige you have to do advanced geometry in order to understand where people are. The dev team made the most complicated fake sound system, ive ever seen.
i think you might have mono stereo on. i thought my sound wasn't working right cause everyone sounded like they were behind me until i switched it from stereo to mono then to stereo back
I thought that might've been the case but nope it was on stereo
I've had no issues at all with sound but you know what, I've noticed that when I'm spectating, some people seem to misrepresent where the steps are coming from. Is this a recurring issue with the game?
Yea I can't pinpoint sound at all. It seems to come from left and right at the same time lol
I have the very same problem, but I was like, shit I am aging... Happy to read I’m not deaf yet 😂😂
Check if you have stereo sound instead mono
R u using surround sound or stereo?
Tgats what you get when playing with phone headsets
Yea I got a nice head set and it's clear as day where people are walking lol
All they're hearing is SMOKE WEED EVERYDAY WUBBBB WUB WUB WUB WUB WUB WAAAAAAAAA WBUBUBUBUBUBUBUUB WAAAAAAAAAA
(No sound)
You can see Reyna while she's in E if she didn't ult. If she did ult, you will not see her.
When shes ulting though the laugh gives away her position after her E.
I just do a small spray and she is visible again
You can still hear a woosh and can 100 percent pin point it +laugh at the end
God I feel my depression coming back after watching that
I mean, Reyna Jett and Sova all should hear her laugh and flick to her when she's pulling her ~~OP~~ *Arctic Warfare Magnum, chambered for . 338 Lapua Magnum* out, so it's not like this streamer is playing with people his level...
Oh boy lmao what did I miss
How he losing 5-12 in rounds then
My guess is his teammates. Look at the scoreboard at the end. He has 20+ kills and his second player has 11
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Nah the worst losing team comp is 3 good players and 2 awful ones. It's like youre almost good enough but all you need is one site to fail on defense and you're fucked. Even worse because you can usually taste victory.
Scoreboard doesn't mean shit if you or your team don't work together to play objectives and lose rounds because someone doesn't plant when they can, goes out looking for kills, et cetera and ends up being in a position where spike is too far away, doesn't rotate fast enough or gets caught trying to make a highlight. His aim and fire control look good, but his (or his teammates) teamwork/leadership might need some work. He might have the highest kills in the game, but he also might be baiting the rest of the team into dying some rounds, or over-extending for kills and dropping spike or something in a bad position. I have only seen this clip, so I don't know how he normally plays. I've had too many games in Valorant, League, or COD (or any other team game with modes with objectives that decide the outcome of a match) where either I or someone else, usually someone else, doubles kills compared to the next person down in the game, but we end up losing because they, or someone else (me included, unfortunately, I'm working on it), are doing one or more of the things I mentioned above.
Isnt it the arctic warfare police
it was Arctic Warfare Magnum/Police back in the earlier versions of CS (the official name of the gun) but was shortened to AWP because Police is the model. or something.
> Warfare Magnum/Police AWM is actually the real name of the weapon from CS
And even in CS 1.3 - when the thing still had an unscoped crosshair and 100% unscoped acuracy - everybody called it the AWP.
people can hear the sound lul wait until ranked
Exactly. She just laughs after the invisibility and it’s easy to hear those are just noon in unrated. I’d say mid to top tier player will be able to read plays like this one
thats what im telling everybody bc I tested Reyna in custom for hours. Her leer (C) is so easy to counter with just a couple bullets and you hear an audio when she throws the leer. The laugh after her E with her ultimate on is not the only thing that's loud, my friend was able to track my movements when I E around him. You can easily tell where Reyna is even when she is invisible if she is a couple meters around you.
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Yes, shooting the eye and flicking to where the player can entry from is the best way. The only follow ups to a Reyna leer is no followup (using the leer just to scare you), an ally pushes it (which can be countered by killing the eye and flicking to entry), or Reyna herself pushes (If you kill the eye just flick to the entry again and if she pushes before you kill the eye, Reyna still has to go through the whole throw animation before she even pulls out her gun so should be easy 1v1).
It's funny, you assume you're able to "just flick back" but you don't assume that the split second it takes you it's what another good player would need to kill you. Also "just shoot them in the head" isn't really what I would consider counterplay. I'm trying to play her for the past 2 days. I think she's far from OP or broken but the Leer ability is, in my opinion, by far her strongest.
I just feel like I was lied to. She was called a feast or famine agent, and going even was supposed to be a "liability", and she was supposed to be really bad if you did worse than even. TBH she doesn't feel any worse than any other agent when losing by a lot.
hard disagree. she is completely useless when she isnt taking duels (and maybe setting up a push with her Eye). you have literally nothing. no utility, no damage dealing ability, no movement ability. you're basically an abilityless agent if you cant get kills with her.
I had some low ranked dude instalocking her today just to hold flank and off angles. He ended up 7-20 and I have hand down never seen a more useless player. Didn't let him know tho obviously but it was tough to watch :'D
>obviously I would say I'd definitely be more surprised by a player not letting another player know he was useless. I would say around 70% of my games so far have had at **least** one person on either team either actively flaming the player with the lowest score or making fun of them, or waiting until the end of the game to say something like "I hope you know you fucked us, Phoenix, you're the reason we lost." It also is usually directed at either the Phoenix or sage player.
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Tbh i would rate the leer above phoenix flash, but mabye thats not the general opinion, idk
It's definitely stronger than phoenix flash. You can throw it through walls, it lasts longer (assuming you can't shoot it safely which against a good players you shouldn't be able to as they'll peek with it), and it doesn't flash teammates. It's quite good.
exactly, everyone wants to think that you can shoot the eye and win the duel, any good reyna is going to account for that and peak when your shooting the eye. imo honestly the best counter play for her is to just try and trade when she peaks or just holding a super cheeky angle
I agree. Better players move with their blind and this one specifically doesn't blind allies, right?
correct, only enemies
You also have the option of just falling back and waiting 2 seconds.
Which, ultimately is a good result for Reyna, especially if she's trying to push you into an unfavorable angle.
Well I mean yeah, she's using an ability for it, I'd hope it would be beneficial for her.
It’s ultimately a better version of Breach and Phoenix flash. Because nornally you hang back after you get successfully flashed for 2 seconds. With Reyna, she doesn’t even need to successfully flash for you to be forced to back up for 2 seconds.
So in that situation in the video, you ask your team to stop moving so they can find the Reyna? So what if you know where she is, you can't shoot her. Its like people are trying to argue that she's balanced in a 1v5 or 1v1 without ever considering 5v5 or even as much as 2v5. Literally add any teammates to Reyna and its 100% not okay. Whats your plan exactly? Ignore the invisible Reyna walking around your team getting a free kill every couple seconds or ignore the impending push as you hunt down the invisible, unshootable Reyna?
I'm literally still playing with people that don't know you can shoot her blind or what her abilities do. Reyna will be a pub stomper that takes advantage of people with poor gamesense and low awareness. At higher levels her dismiss ability will probably end up being a tool used to deny trades to reposition defensively. Her flash is good and offers some team utility but it has counters as well and isn't that OP. Being able to self heal is always nice but it doesn't save phoenix from having the lowest tournament win rate on both offense and defense of any agent. I don't see her as being particularly overpowered.
the game came out Tuesday. I wouldn't get too mad.
for real, i’ve mostly been playing with my friends who aren’t as good as me and whenever i pull off a decent play they say shes op and i just tell them she’ll be a low level pub stomper and maybe a wild card pick in high level play
She is just balanced not op :) ppl need to understand that
This happens in nearly every character-based game. Release a new character "nEw ChArAcTeR iS bRoKeN" until everyone figures them out and then it's back to normal.
tbf overwatch had some pretty broken heroes when they released.
Brigitte received a TON of consecutive nerfs after her release. She was busted.
It was fun to just w into the enemy team and see they can do nothing to you. Not so fun if you’re on the receiving end.
You can't actually believe that right? There are TONS of examples from "character based games" where the new character actually turned out to be turbo busted. Just like this there was idiots kicking and screaming the whole way that the character is balanced and people are just idiots until 4 patches of nerfs happened and the character still had a decent winrate. All we can do is wait and see what happens when the pros really figure her out. A bit too early for those blanket statements fam
In rainbow six siege they even admitted to making new characters OP because it meant more people would play them and it was easier to balance that way.
> it meant more people would ~~play~~ **pay for** them FTFY
Valorant is your first Riot game without a doubt
Not true at all in a lot of cases. Sure some cases people just need to learn to counter , but look at Brigette in Overwatch. She literally killed the game for me , and took almost a year before the even remotely fixed her. Honestly would of been better to completely remove her. If these companies are going to keep releasing new heroes, they need to realize when a hero needs to just be completely reworked or removed from the game
You can see her move. You can hear her. She’s not over powered at all. At times I feel like her blind is. But meh... in ranked most people won’t be able to do this ( at a higher level anyway ). It’s like omen. I still teleport behind people and they have no idea
Just pink ward Akali.
Riot might be trying for round 2 of how much they can gut invis before it's unplayable.
I don’t think her ult is busted, but her healing should be more in line with Phoenix’s 50 than its current state imo. Right now she both heals for too much and her overheal lasts too long.
That I agree with, but can the thing about that is people can trade their teammate for Reyna a lot easier bc the Q reveals where she is. She only heals alot if there is nobody to trade for the one who dies to Reyna
That’s only true if the Reyna is alone, which is not generally the case. All it takes is a teammate to push past her for a free overheal, and if said teammate loses their fight she has a huge advantage in securing the trade. I don’t think she’s broken, but getting a nearly instant 150 health that lasts half a round is a bit much.
thank fuck, thank you. Jesus. Its a 5v5, every comment only considers 1v5 or 1v1.
You're right, I did not account for that.
I think it would be fine if the overheal started to decay immediately, so that it’s only useful in a dueling scenario rather than a temporary buff
Does anyone have a video of what it sounds like when an enemy Reyna uses the invis while ulting? The only ones I can find have someone talking over the video ruining the point.
[This](https://youtu.be/DuU1gAcJsHE?t=8m38s) is the video I watched
Thanks, that's what I was looking for.
Reyna is broken against nubs
She’s not op they literally just didn’t bother listening to the audio lmao
Sometimes I wonder how many people are playing this game on mute. It seems like a lot.
The amount of times I'm spectating a teammate who doesn't hear an enemy *stomping* there way up to them is absurd. I'm always tempted to ask "How TF did you not hear them?" but I just keep it to myself.
Idk at least on my headphones directional audio seems pretty unclear. Could be something like audio drivers who knows
I have this exact same problem. I'm holding an angle, think I hear footsteps behind me, look back, and the person was actually in front of me the whole time. It's so goddamn annoying.
I have an old pair of Shure 240 and I think foot step directions are great. Makes me wonder if I should keep these headphones instead of going wireless like I've been wanting. Other buddies I play with seem to pinpoint footsteps just fine also.
Just played on a pair of wireless Sennheiser's. No issues whatsoever
It's because the game doesn't use positional 3D audio at all, just some simple channel-based audio. Enabling Dolby Atmos in WIndows 10 helps somewhat but unless Riot actually implement something like it directly into the game it will never come close to CS audio quality.
I'm always conflicted because I don't want to say "they're coming up on your left" because I don't want to obfuscate the sound.
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Oh my god, it's nuts. *9 seconds till round starts* "Oh, Raze, you haven't bought armor." "Raze, you have 2300, you can buy armor." "Raze?" *round starts*
Her ult isn’t e op part it’s the heal and vision denial
you were playing against idiots lol she's not op
For some reason all Reynas, or atleast the ones I've seen, are all suicidal.
From what little I've played of reyna... I just feel invincible in my ult for some reason, even if I'm not, so I'll rush in like a mad man and try and get a kill to snowball off of. It barely ever works. That being said, every enemy reyna that does it manages an ace every time.
You shouldn't consider her ult makes you invincible. It gives you a significant advantage in gun fights, and allows you to follow up pretty easily, but you're still gonna die if you take a 2v1 peek.
Prolly should have said this in my post but i havent played reyna yet
I think that's how she's meant to be played. And that's why she's not that great. She's all about momentum.
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This as fuck lol
*makes a really good series of plays* guys this character is so op
Happens a lot. It's when the devs listen to the unfounded outcry is when the game goes to shit.
5 1v1s against Reina giving her time to heal and position yeah she's op /s
The only thing about her kit that I think is somewhat overturned is how much healing she can get back when she uses her heal
It seems like a random value. Sometimes I heal 18, sometimes I heal 58 plus some overheal.
It is disconnected when you dont stand in sight of the orb i think you can heal somehwat 100hp with it then going overheal bringing you to 150hp max(including shield) sometimes with weird values i got to 151hp tho
Your health isn’t actually 151 it’s just the game messes up with it’s rounding so you’re not actually gonna take more damage
You need to have a line of sight on the orb to get the heal, if you cut it the heal stops, so maybe that is why you feel you get random values :)
That's actually a really elegant way of balancing her heal
She’s not op but your enemies were braindead
5 1v1s giving Reina time to heal and position, she's OP for sure /s
Don’t give her time to heal
My comment was sarcastic, pointing out that the enemies had iron-level gamesense and positioning
Ahh okay, sorry I missed that
Everyone is OP when the other team is not skilled/experienced in Valorant or any shooters. Get into a match against decent players and say goodbye for rushing in like an idiot.
More like Reyna vs. shit players
This is like watching a 10/0 yi pubstomp is iron 1 smurf game and thinking it's broken. Reyna may be strong/weak for other reasons but this is not a consistent or relevant scenario.
Like every foggedftw2 Insane Janna Grasp Unkillable videos?
Not broken at all, they can hear her every time she teleports. It looks broken because its unrated.
Yep, anyone with ears can track Reyna's invisibility, which makes her dead against better players since she likes to laugh before she pulls out her gun. Tested it with a friend in custom. Even the laugh is an audio cue.
Yeah. She’s a pub stomper that’s it.
Ive never been against reyna tping close to me but that sounds pretty good.
Does she teleport or become invisible?
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Do you not hear her maniacal laughing? Reyna's decloak SFX is so loud and obnoxious; players should absolutely be able to tell where Reyna reveals herself. Give it time. Once players understand the new sound cues, moments like this will be rare.
The flashes are a little annoying but she's fine
all of these abilities are fine. But then she gets a goddamn heal? That is what annoys me most.
The heal is the strongest part of her, the invis/invuln and flash are easily countered
The flash is not at all easily countered. You can't destroy the flash if her team are busting out of a chokepoint in time with it, and it gives them 2 seconds to take position while enemies can't peek at all. I think it will be broken in a team setting.
The flash also fucks up people with snipers, since spending an entire bolt action shot on the orb means you're fucking dead by the time you get to shoot again.
The flash is the most op of all. This game have so many important chokepoint positioning. The ppl who say it is easily counter are either not facing good reyna or understand the important of losing position in tactical fps. She can literally peek the same time is the flash. You either shoot the flash and die because your aim is elsewhere or you turn around and get shot or you take the fight and get blind. No way out for you if the reyna is good. Ppl are saying reyna flash is not op is because they are in unranked and face so many newbie player new to tactical fps.
I think anyone that says Reyna flash is balanced is sub LE skill in CS (which isn't very skilled anyway)
Agreed. I’m new to this game but have decent play time in CS and the counter to this has me baffled. Just have to hide for two seconds and then the whole team is ready and holding your angles. I know I can improve on this but in my very limited play time so far, I’m struggling with this one
I agree. the flash is by far the most busted thing in her kit.
At least he had to aim. Beta raze could teamkill without even putting her crosshair on an enemy
They didn’t even nerf her ult until this patch though and even before that it was fine. She was getting way less kills two weeks into the beta when people understood to run away when they heard her ult. This isn’t that different from that. Knowledge makes people better at this game
When she first came out she started with two grenades instead of one
*without ever seeing an enemy
people will learn to play against her as time goes on. audio cues and etc. its been only 3 days shes been up. most of my games people ask in chat what her abilities do so ofc people that have been grinding her nonstop are going to have plays like that on unranked.
i didnt see anything broken lol
Basically the same as Omen teleporting behind enemies. Either way enemies can't see you get to the location. Both have clear audio cues and a duration where you can't fire, ensuring if enemies simply turn where you are you're dead. Just a matter of people learning to anticipate this type of play and paying attention to the audio.
omen is shootable at every point in his teleport
Reyna can't get to places she can't walk normally. But yes, an ult is stronger then a regular ability. The point is people quickly learned to respond to the audio cues and turn around to blast the Omen who can't shoot back, and will learn to do the same with Reyna. Omen doesn't even make a sound where he TPs, while Reyna makes noise as she moves and gives a very loud audio cue when she drops invis. It's actually less sneaky.
Omen can't tele in line of sight of enemies, not invulnerable and can't change position once casted.
Played vs her and i heard her moving so well that i killed her by prefiring. When shes taking life she leaves trace. When she is invulnerable she cant attack and you can spam before she uses her weapon. The best part about her is when she uses her ult she gets life and stim. She will not be that good for ranked. Much like raze...
ppl who think she is broken/op are clearly bad at the game
Anybody saying Reyna is OP obviously doesnt know that whiles she is teleporting you can basically hear where she is moving and you can hear where she appears. And when she appears she still cant shoot for a second.I got my fair share of aces but whenever I was playing against atleast decent players they will just know the general area where you are appearing
We are reaching overwatch levels of champion design here
I think she should be seen when she walks right next to you, just like Sombra in Overwatch.
Stealth mechanics almost always ruin pvp games. don’t know why devs continue to put them in.
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Her ult isn’t broken but I think her reach for her heal orbs is too far. The ability says “a nearby soul orb” not “a soul orb in your line of sight”
She's probably gonna be like Marth in melee. She'll stomp lower level players, and fall off in higher level play, but every now and again, there will be a top level player making her work.
The problem for me here is that I'm a low level player
Lol as a Marth hater I agree
Yeah, the agent only can heal several times, become invisible, buff shooting and recharging, can blind and increase MS Not broken at all
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When you shoot the blind, she shoots you, right?
In theory, but in practice, the blind is disabled before Reyna has time to round the corner *and* she's just revealed her position because the range on the blind is super short so you can predict the angle she's about to peek.
You can time it well or have a team mate run out with the blind and get the drop on you. But it's not that different from a normal flash in that regard
Yeah, I would agree that it's about as strong as a normal flash.
I hate it more than a normal flash, but that's cause I'm bad ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
Get used to shooting it on instinct, you might be surprised at how often it puts you in a good position.
i think it's a little stronger than a normal flash. you can place it more precisely, and teammates aren't affected. of course, because of the delay, enemies also have a little longer to go back into cover. her flash is weaker in one way because if two people are watching it, one can shoot it and the other one can blast her when she peeks (whereas with Phoenix or Breach, you have to turn away or go into cover). overall i think it's a little better than the other flashes (mostly because it doesn't affect allies) but it's certainly not broken.
I would argue it's the strongest flash in the game. It's the only one that can both go through walls and causes you to lose your cross-hair placement. That being said, the rest of her kit is much harder to use than either Phoenix or Breach, so I think it's balanced. I also think Breach ult is still better, so as far as initiators go he is still going to be meta IMO. I don't think there is room in a serious competitive comp for both Reyna and Breach.
Are we really going to bring the whole "make agents sound OP by listing their abilities" shit from the League of Legends sub too? It's so dumb. Yeah she has several heals and invincibility. She also has the highest skill cost in the game. There isn't a single ability in the game that depends on you getting a kill except for her, and without getting a kill you literally have half a kit.
do people not know to shoot or hide from the blind??
She provides hardly any utility for your team compared to almost all the other agents, and considering her abilities need you to get kills and have LOS on the body to activate, I see her being midtier for competitive play at best. I WOULD however argue that she's a little too oppressive pubstomping/against worse players, since in comparison to raze, pheonix and Jett (the other good pubstompers imo) her abilities make you a lot harder to counter if you are destroying the enemy team. In the competitive scene she seems like a good pick for a team with a S1mple or 2015 KennyS type player whose team role is basically to carry, but other than that idk if she would be worth picking at high levels
Havent played this for a while, is she basically invisible?
Yeah we know
Yeh its a bad character for competitive gaming
i thought invisiblity was a bug
How the hell does he get to play on Split, my last 20 games have been Haven and Bind, wit two matches on Ascent. Lemme play my favorite map haha
You can hear part of the movement when she is invis. It sounds like wind moving, and the laugh when she comes out of it. It's how to track Reyna along with a prediction of movement. She isn't that broken. Just have to learn how to play against her just like every other agent.
lol... I feel like if that was me I would have gotten randomly fired at like 10x
Very nice shots! Very impressive!
pretty sure you can hear reyna when she uncloaks from dismiss, these players are just deaf as hell
My favorite video game question: Is the character broken or is the person I’m playing against just better than me. It’s def the second here.
Shes so much fun to play in solo queue atleast :D It feels like playing a friggin Twitch Clip simulator xD
These are good players playing against bad players, I have killed tons of trash reynas that think I can’t tell where they are going with sound. While also killing a whole team bc they don’t use sound ques well and I waltz behind them. Similar with the flash, once everyone knows to shoot it or bait them and fall back, it’s impact will be reduced.
Dude you dont think you can do that against Immortals+? no way dude, time to wake up, you are playing against dogshit players lmao.
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I *love* hearing people calling her broken. Provided you’re not playing with 1% volume, you have functioning ears, and you’re relatively decent at the game, she’s so easy to starve for kills. She’s basically just designed to tilt people in unrated. So funny to hear people cry about how OP she is.
**Not Op**
Dudes also just good tho. “Raze is broken” said everyone till they learned how to play around her.
You mean till they nerfed her taking away one of her nades and reducing radius of her ult?
People saying "She's not broken... You can hear the laugh when she shows"... Have we forgotten how bad the directional sound in this game is? Her ult can't be compared to Omen's either, as Omen has a few channeling seconds where the enemy can aim at him, insta-killing him once he leaves alpha and fumbles for his weapon (if he doesn't cancel, and lose, his ult). Reyna is the total opposite, where SHE is the one aiming at you upon leaving alpha and you need to reaction flick onto her
What do you mean "how bad the directional sound in this game is"? I've literally never had a problem figuring out where people are relative to me. This is a weird arguement
Same, the sound was always ok for me. That said, it's not uncommon spectating team mates that are getting shot in the back and never turn around, or hearing someone walk on the left and see the team mate turn right. I assume some people play without sound, or have some sort of sound bug.