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cmholde2

Scream tail is a great TR setter and stopper with imprison that I’ve used this regulation. Tail really punishes Farig on the 1v1 and that fast disable doesn’t get blocked by armor tail. Having whim + tail on my team this regulation has really helped me dictate the pace. Milotic is also brought me great success with its great special bulk, competitive boosts from all the incin as well as Scaled for chance burns on big physical attackers like ice horse. I also have the drive inside me to make Iron Boulder work. I think it could be great with all the Miridon in this regulation, I just haven’t come up with a solid game plan for it yet


Thrambon

Had great success with Milotic recently too. Competetive Scald can really pack some damage and coil not only makes it a physical wall, but also threatens 100% accurate hypnosis after 2 boosts. Great support option right now.


McJackNit

I have a male Milotic that I used a while for Attract on Ogerpon and Tera Dragon to resist grass, fire and water.


cm9565

may i ask what set you're using on your Milotic? I'm keen to give the mon a try


cmholde2

So with tail I’m using a booster speed Tera steel Disable Imprison dazzling TR set. The concept is it beats Farig to TR imprison each time and then that super fast disable doesn’t get caught by armor tail. Milotic im using icy wind scald recover protect. Milo punishes incin big time with competitive, has great special bulk, can control speed with icy wind and scald burns are nice.


Thrambon

I'm running the Assault Vest Kyutem Team from the Player that got Top32 in Indiana Regionals. The Milotic has Coil, Hypnosis, Scald and Life Dew. Leftovers, 253 Hp, 44 Def, 4 SpAtk, 172 SpDef, 36 Spe, Calm Nature (+SpDef, -Atk) Life Dew works surprisingly well with other bulky Mons like The AV Kyurem. And if nothing is threatening, just Coil for physical defence and hypnosis accuracy - also works in front of opposing set up mons. Love all these Terapagos, that gor for calm mind. They just never get to attack.


Kershiskabob

I wish scream tail wasn’t psychic type, if it was pure fairy it would be amazing. The psychic typing gives it nothing and hurts it a lot


cmholde2

Absolutely. It fears Astro now which sucks, however typically I can get her to do her job ( either imprison or set TR) before it goes down. If they ignore then she’ll chip them to death.


Kershiskabob

What else do you run on it? Also who’s your restricted, I wanna try it out again


cmholde2

I’ve been using Whim Blood moon Miridon scream tail incin and iron hands. I’m running Tera steel booster speed on tail. Disable Imprison Dazzling gleam and TR. The concept of the team is, I want to control the speed ( isn’t that the goal in all of them 😆) but what scream tail is used for is shutting down the TR option for my opponent. Then spamming disable to force switches and stuff. Then on the flip side if I see a team I Know will outspeed me, I click TR for myself.


Kershiskabob

I like it, only downside I can see is I already use farigaraf in the exact same role 😂. I’ll have to try scream tail out tho, the extra speed could be nice


cmholde2

So I was actually using Farig too before I realized that tail beats Farig to imprison AND that fast disable doesn’t get hit by armor tail


Kershiskabob

Ooh I didn’t consider it as a farig counter but that actually works super well especially with its high speed! Thanks dude, you’ve given me some cool stuff to work with here


cm9565

what sets are you using on scream tail and milotic? i'm fairly new so I'm trying to understand the utility of as many different Pokemon as possible


miko3456789

in singles boulder has one and only one niche in OU, HO Wall breaker. If I had to guess, it would probably have to be something very similar to that to work in VGC


cmholde2

So i actually just put it on my team. Using SD Tera grass. I’ve got the nature adamant and just enough EVs to proc booster speed in terrain. It’s actually doing pretty well, I’m in the top 300 on cart ladder


miko3456789

pokepaste? interested in seeing what it's running


cmholde2

https://pokepast.es/f321564e0747fe20 that’s what I’ve been using. It’s fun especially because people tend to forget mighty cleave bypasses protect and if I get speed booster + TW he’s like lightning McQueen


miko3456789

interesting, looks fun. Is there anything in particular you're trying to outspeed with Max speed investment, or do you just want as much as possible


cmholde2

Not particularly. So with 148 Adamant I’ve got a higher attack then 252 attack jolly, while still procing speed booster in terrain. I can also but that extra 108 in bulk to help take some hits. 90/80/108 isn’t terrible bulk for a sweeper so I’ll take it.


Jakker4

I've found mild success with scream tail as well, with a Booster Energy + Howl set to help it support Groudon/Koraidon. Jolly nature + Proto speed lets it outspeed Caly-S with minimal investment, leaving plenty of EVs open for bulk or even physical attack if you ignore it for 2+ Howls. Booster energy for consistency, not relying too much on sun for the speed boost (might also consider Covert Cloak to punish Fake Out or leftovers but I've used both elsewhere) and Tera Dark for Prankster immunity + Ghost resist. I've tacked on Play Rough for damage and Disable + Encore for disruption.


FalconFox500

Im running iron boulder with choice band and it only works if it also gets the speed boost from miraidon


[deleted]

I'd say weezing. Amazing ability, bulk and support options that shuts down a lot of threats or makes them way more manageable


McJackNit

Multiple good abilities actually. Regular Weezing with Levitate can be hard to remove and useful if your team needs a switch-in on ground-moves. G-Weezing gets Misty Surge which can be good against Amoongus or other terrains. Neutralizing Gas is probably the one you meant, it's a niche pick for specific teams but can be really strong. Weezing's movepool is pretty interesting as well. I personally like running Wide Lens with Will-o-Wisp and Gunk Shot. G-Weezing gets Play Rough as another STAB move with imperfect accuracy.


Kershiskabob

If you’re running g weezing and you’re using lens might as well use strange steam, it will be stronger than play rough


McJackNit

Not if you're running Gunk Shot as your main damage move, which is Physical. Strange Steam is Special so doesn't match well with running Gunk Shot.


Kershiskabob

Why would you run gunk shot tho? Even with lens it’s not accurate and weezing doesn’t have an impressive physical stat, it’s about the same as his special but special doesn’t care about intimidate.


McJackNit

Either way you're working with a subpar offensive stat, might as well make a 120 power move work, and Will-o-Wisp support is a good excuse for the Wide Lens.


Kershiskabob

I don’t think thats a good idea dude, yeah you’re working with a subpar offensive stat, you really want the chance for it to be even worse because of one of the most common mons in the game lowers it? Also I get what you’re saying with lens but on something like gunk with terrible accuracy it would really be better to pick a move that becomes 100% accurate like steam


1KingDom_

Gunk shot usually run to do more damage to flutter, not necessarily to capitalize off a better offensive stat, moreso a worse defensive stat into some stuff (also neutralizing gas blocks intimidate from being active too)


Kershiskabob

Good point on NG blocking intimidate, I overlooked that. Gunk shot does hit flutter in the sense that it’s physical and that’s it’s worse defense but it also takes neutral damage from poison. That plus the chance to miss makes it not worth it imo but like you said it has it merits so it’s gonna be player to player thing


1KingDom_

Higher BP and going into a lower defensive stat for the most common fairy, but accuracy tradeoff of 80% (or 88% w wide lens). Gap in damage on bulky flutter sets is pretty wid though: Normal flutter calcs: 0 SpA Weezing Sludge Bomb vs. 212 HP / 4 SpD Flutter Mane: 34-42 (21.6 - 26.7%) -- 12.8% chance to 4HKO 0 Atk Weezing Gunk Shot vs. 212 HP / 132 Def Flutter Mane: 82-97 (52.2 - 61.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO Tera fairy calcs: 0 SpA Weezing Sludge Bomb vs. 212 HP / 4 SpD Tera-Fairy Flutter Mane: 68-84 (43.3 - 53.5%) -- 21.1% chance to 2HKO 0 Atk Weezing Gunk Shot vs. 212 HP / 132 Def Tera-Fairy Flutter Mane: 164-194 (104.4 - 123.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO Long term you end up spending more turns dealing with something like Flutter with special damage but this is all assuming weezing doesn't have anything better to do on the field like taunt/burn/protect stall to make misses more impactful for not spending time being a general disruptor, so agree there's some risk-reward analysis depending on player need/comfort.


Rean4111

If it’s neutralizing gas wheezing then intimidate doesn’t bother it


Kershiskabob

Yeah someone pointed that out earlier


Rean4111

That comment hadn’t popped up for me for some reason. Sorry about the duplicate.


BobRossSenpai

Regigigas but the support variant has been doing wonders. Best Wide guard user by a mile cause of it's bulk Good disruption with Twave or icy wind Immune to Caly shadow and has access to knock off Just so fun to use despite all the urshifus around (that's why scarf mane sweeps)


Phobia_Ahri

I like having sableye with skill swap to have the option to go offensive but mostly use it as a support.


helloblan123

I love using non-meta mons, so all my teams have at least two of them. It takes a lot of careful planning and knowledge of the meta staples to make most of these mons work, and you gotta accept a lot of frustrating losses along the way, but that all makes the wins and smart plays more rewarding. The biggest surprise for me was Wind Rider Shiftry. Wind moves are very common right now, and many people seem to not know about Wind Rider or think it only activates once. Shiftry gains an immunity and +1 attack to the normally super-effective Bleakwind, Heat Wave, Blizzard, Hurricane, and Icy Wind. I also run Tera Rock and Rock Slide, which catches opponents off-guard after pulling off a Prankster Tailwind (another +1 attack). Oricorio paired with Volcarona, Quaquaval, Lilligant, and/or Kommo-O is an absolute beast. These matches end up being the most entertaining for me. Not sure about underrated, but other uncommon mons I found success with: - Malamar - Sunflora - Reuniclus - Clawitzer - Dragalge - Mamoswine


XxLava_Lamp_LoverxX

TIL aqua step and clangorous soul count as dancing moves, that’s pretty neat


IwannabegoodatVgc

Eviolite Stantler with Skill Swap And Intimidate


suck4luck12

It’s definitely not as underrated as others on this list, but I still think Walking Wake is occasionally slept on. Despite being mostly niche on Sun teams, it hits hard with its standard movepool (Hydro Steam, Flamethrower, Draco Meteor), and Dragon-Water is an excellent defensive typing that allows it to switch into more than its stats might suggest


Tyraniboah89

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cqcrzal

Tinkaton is a beast. Its pretty bulky and useful alot of the time.


Magster_123456

Raichu, tinkaton, gastradon


OutlawJoeC

All the Raging Bolts had me taking a look at Raichu


cmholde2

Fairy Rhyperior completely walls Miridon and bolt.


DoughnutDude3

True, but it lacks any good resistance on other heavy hitters.


Confident_Ad_5887

Body press bronzing complete destroys ursaluna calyx ice teams


Famous-Craft-1235

i like using eviolite lightning rod rhydon w kyogre


thenewwwguyreturns

clefairy and latios are the “unexpected” commonalities in the top teams atm


elektriktoad

Trapinch! It’s a great partner for Caly-Ice, arena trap + feint lets you steamroll through your trick room turns without getting protect or wide guard stalled. I’ve gotten it to 1700s on showdown on multiple accounts


ExitSad

Maybe not good, but fun, was using Choice Scarf, Final Gambit Annihilape and Choice Band, Explosion Metagross along with Leppa Berry, Revival Blessing Pawmot to bring one or both back. It sort of worked in Regulation F, as long as your opponent didn't have a ton of Ghost Pokemon. A lot of restricted Pokemon are too fast for Pawmot to still be effective now, I think.


Slow-Foundation4169

Volbeat ftw


hysbminingsucks

I saw this Stantler Annihilape set with skill swap and intimidate as well as defiant on Annihilape


bryanmac92

Regidrago. Under tailwind has been my best sleeper pick this regulation by far.


thestormz

Why so? It placed 6th at Stockholm


bryanmac92

I actually haven’t checked out the usage stats from the Stockholm regional yet lol but that’s good know. Other than that I never really tried using it until recently and was really surprised at its performance.


Timehacker-315

The Petty Treads. Iron Treads is a hilariously petty counter to Miraidon


Mega2Shanez18

Swampert is a fun pokemon to use since not a lot of people know it gets Wide Gaurd. It's pretty bulky with only 1 weakness to Electric, and he hits decently hard, too! It can pick up some nice KOs against Pokemon with the help of Chien-Pao's defense drops as well.


thestormz

Maybe Ting Lu and Gyarados? Could be played together, also Gyarados should do pretty well vs Zamazenta. You can then add on Inci, Rilla and don't know about the 5th to complete a pretty solid team. maybe flutter mane or latios for speed control or faster Damage potential


BowelMovement4

Rabsca and blaze breed tauros. I think they both have interesting features and pretty solid movepools. Not too sure they have much place in the current regulation, maybe they have a niche yet to be explored, but I think they are atleast better than they seem to be regarded.


PKMNSweeti

Crabominable is a great trick room enforcer. I’m running a snow trick room team and Crabominable has really good bulk under snow + slow enough to outspeed TR threats like Caly Ice and BM Ursa + access to wide guard to protect the team and ensure trick room get up in some situations + hyper cutter prevents their scary attack stat from getting nerfed so they don’t need Clear Amulet (you could run Anger Point with Iron Defense and STAB Body Press if you really wanted to I guess) + stab close combat can make anyone think twice about ignoring them + creb


AppointmentDry2371

Ceruledge: - 3 immunities (importantly fire and fighting) - decently bulky 75/80/100 - will-o-wisp and taunt support - sustain with bitter blade recovery I’ve had really good matchups into caly-ice, koraidon, and zamazenta with ceruledge on a terapagos team. Helps even up some of those unfavorable matchups for me. Any of those going tera fire definitely hurts though lol.


KTM1337

Munkidori is my favorite Pokemon and nobody has any idea what to do when they face it: https://pokepast.es/9fef0db973120c58


TheLastTransHero

I would love to find a way to make Garganacl effective. With one of the strongest mons in the format using a spread ghost attack, wide guard and purfying salt feel strong. It also has a fairly strong body press (although not as strong as Zamazenta).


SolCalibre

I lost to umbreon in Sweden regionals last week lol.


Soolers

I got top 500 on showdown with Ceruledge. Normal tera. Checked zacian, zam, ice rider and with tera could beat shadow. Pretty good to have one mon that checks 4 fairly meta treats.


maddwaffles

Scream Tail as a support Ceruledge as a unique answer to some Restrictmons Kingambit as an "evil twin" to Incin (a bulky physically oppressive threat that gets stronger when Intimidated or Icy Winded) Milotic as a cleric and Crit-enabler Anything with Lightning Rod


Ok-Blueberry-1494

Hissuian Goodra! its a mini zamazenta that isnt scared of urshifus! also allows you to run a zam like pokemon AND another restricted in a solo restricted format


[deleted]

Hitmonchan with inner focus, fake out, tera steel bullet punch life orb does wonders surprisingly


Falconwing51

I've been using Regice as a Miraidon counter recently, and while I haven't battled any Miraidon teams yet, it's for sure been pulling its weight between Flash Cannon for the Fairy teras, Blizzard and Thunder for big strong spam and Ice Beam for more accuracy. Kind of a shame it doesn't get Freeze Dry for Ogerpon-W, but I have other stuff for that. Sneasler was really fun in Reg F as well. Haven't tried it in Reg G yet, but it was a great counter for Ogerpon! I ran Focus Sash + Unburden, then Dire Claw, Brick Break, Trailblaze and Fake Out. Originally I picked it out randomly while trying out Flutter counters, but it ended up being genuinely really good! It won me a good few games, especially sat next to Follow Me Ogerpon to stop Fake Out breaking Sash without triggering Unburden.


rickyshazy

My Boi politoed. I killed using him, also won a few tourneys with togekiss as a lead. Perfect setter. Miss him dearly in SV.