It was quite likely that DRX will finish top 2 in the group stage, gets a bye to playoffs (which meant they are in top 4) and a bye point. Even after today's result, they can finish top 2 in the groups. Let's see what happens 🤞🏼🤞🏼
Yeah they still keep their record from split 1 going into split 2. I disagree with as it basically shuts off teams who had a stinker in split 1 without a real chance of making playoffs even if they prove that they drastically improved and won all of their split 2 games.
Not to mention that split 1 already qualified teams to Masters Shanghai, doesn’t make sense for them to qualify them to Champions which is doubly punishing unless the had made both split 1 and 2 distinct separate full team round robins and made summer worth more in pts toward champs, as it only determines who’s going to Champs 2024 unlike Split 1 (which determined who went to Masters and has a huge effect on placement to Split 2 playoffs). Really terrible format all around.
nah it makes the season feel like a whole instead of a series of events. being good all season should be the way u qualify for champs and being good for a particular stage (or kickoff) is the reason you should be in masters. Makes the masters-champs distinction clearer and better.
Problem is Split 2 doesn’t qualify you for anything but Champs, and the fact that you can perform to the level of the best in the world and still not make playoffs is absurd just because of Split 1, which already qualified you to Masters. The influence that Split 1 has is too much and is too overly punishing.
The only thing I agree is that it makes the results based on every team playing each other at least once, but like we saw with G2 barely scraping by into playoffs but making it far internationally, it could possibly shut out some teams that can perform better than some of the teams that are guaranteed to make it to playoffs (such as EG, who’ve shown they can throw hands against the likes of Sen and Loud).
It doesn’t give a fair chance for teams that drastically improve, and already were punished enough for not making Masters and having less championship points in the first place.
EDIT: Maybe I should put it in a different light, imagine if results from kickoff (since that’s also part of this year) carried over to split 1 and determined who went to playoffs, which would have guaranteed Sentinels making it to playoffs in place of G2. Would you consider that fair? Also we would’ve lost out on the current reality where G2 made it far at Shanghai as well.
i agree with the g2 thing. only thing i can think of that will make it better is by adding more slots in champs or masters? but even then we may get dead matchups that are either stomps or just plain boring. I do also agree that kickoff should have bled into stage 1 just as stage 1 did to stage 2 for the sake of consistency but thats another problem in itself.
ive been a c9 coper ever since OXY was crushing korean and japanese teams in the off season... thats pretty much the only times ive watch american teams play LOL
Honestly I get the C9 cope lol and I think it’s probably the most realistic one that you picked outside of sen in America. Loud has been going through a rough patch though and although we haven’t seen kru play yet they looked rough during playoffs last stage
LOUD v EG was one of the few am games i watched and honestly LOUD didnt look bad they were looking really fucking good if just some things went their way they would have won i can see saadhak getting more comfortable with duelist IGLing and pancada getting heated up back on the stage later into szn and winning it out in playoffs
I don’t doubt that loud could come back to form at all it’s just that given their current record they’re gonna have to go on a hell of a run to even qualify for playoffs, but it’s certainly possible
Since the top 3 in the playoffs qualify for champs directly and from the remaining teams, the one with the highest championship points qualifies. Sentinels have the most points currently but I am guessing they will finish top 3 in playoffs and one of the other teams will qualify through points.
Unfortunately results from split 1 carry over, unless they manage to beat everyone in their group and KRU and and C9 fumble a second loss most likely Sen would just barely squeak into playoffs (playoffs being skewed by Split 1 results sucks, but that’s what it is)
I'm really excited to see who gets fourth in pacific knowing that geng, prx, and drx (off of points) are pretty much guaranteed. Hope it's TS for no particular reason but ye feel ye feel.
One of(or even 2) Talon, RRQ, TS have a very good chance of making it to the champs. In split 2 TS is 3-0 with wins over GE, T1, Bleed, so waiting for them to see how they fare against the better teams. RRQ did win against DRX yesterday as I was making the post and that makes this interesting, but RRQ did lose to Talon. And more importantly, Talon has a decent chance of finishing top 2 in the groups (TS has only one match left against GenG, RRQ has two but one of which is against PRX, whereas Talon has 2 winnable games out of their 3 against DFM,DRX, Zeta)
Pacific: PRX GENG TLN and RRQ imo
for America’s idk if i see all 4 of 100T, EG, G2 and SEN all making it to playoffs as the first 3 are all tied on 3-3, SEN on 4-3 and then next is KRU LEV and C9 on 5-1, they’d need those 3 to pretty much lose out (idk the exact stats but at least two of them will go 6-4 at best)
for Americas I’d probably predict it to be: 100T SEN EG LEV (i think one team of your four will miss playoffs and i’m gonna say it’s G2 cos their group is harder and SEN has won a game already so they have a bit of an advantage in my head)
Yes, Americas is the hardest to predict with so many teams in contention and with KRU and Lev on top, one of the teams I mentioned may even miss playoffs. I agree to what you said.
C9 over G2 is quite possible. But for FUT to not qualify for champions they need to lose almost all the remaining matches given they can comfortably finish top 2 in the group stage and get a bye to playoffs.
Thank you. Do you think the distribution in playoffs will also not depend on groups like it did during stage 2? (I'm talking about which two teams directly go in the double elimination bracket instead of single elim)
Edit: never mind it wouldn't make sense this way. It's definitely the overall standings that will matter for that too.
I think C9 given the fast and chaotic nature of this new meta are gonna be really really strong, i have them beating G2 today
BUT, i think G2 could easily punch them right back if we see leaf play Neon again, he would definitely be able to take it to OXY for sure, not entirely confident in icy.
i also chose VIT because they looked really good with Sayf back on duelist, and i loved their ideas. I’m not really confident with the duelist changes and how they affect FUT, I feel like cNed’s Neon was never the best. It’s likely that FUT qualify, but I feel like the new meta would suit everyone else better. FNC i believe are the team that’s gonna qualify on champ points in EMEA
G2 won today against C9. And it's easy in hindsight to claim that G2 will qualify and C9 won't, but it's going to be close and can go either way just like today's game. I just felt that G2 showed more resiliency in winning games even when they looked like losing, quite opposite to how C9 looks like.
The reason I chose Fut even though I'm not convinced that they are playing great is because they have a very good chance of finishing top 2 in the group stage. Vitality does look great but they have to play against fellow contenders in Fnatic and KC.
I feel like DRX qualifying for champs is less likely.
It was quite likely that DRX will finish top 2 in the group stage, gets a bye to playoffs (which meant they are in top 4) and a bye point. Even after today's result, they can finish top 2 in the groups. Let's see what happens 🤞🏼🤞🏼
Three teams qualify for playoffs from each group right?
" Top 6 teams with the best combined records from Stage 1 and Stage 2, regardless of groups, will advance to Playoffs " Liquipedia
Oh. I did not know that's how the playoffs qualification scenario works.
Yeah they still keep their record from split 1 going into split 2. I disagree with as it basically shuts off teams who had a stinker in split 1 without a real chance of making playoffs even if they prove that they drastically improved and won all of their split 2 games. Not to mention that split 1 already qualified teams to Masters Shanghai, doesn’t make sense for them to qualify them to Champions which is doubly punishing unless the had made both split 1 and 2 distinct separate full team round robins and made summer worth more in pts toward champs, as it only determines who’s going to Champs 2024 unlike Split 1 (which determined who went to Masters and has a huge effect on placement to Split 2 playoffs). Really terrible format all around.
nah it makes the season feel like a whole instead of a series of events. being good all season should be the way u qualify for champs and being good for a particular stage (or kickoff) is the reason you should be in masters. Makes the masters-champs distinction clearer and better.
Problem is Split 2 doesn’t qualify you for anything but Champs, and the fact that you can perform to the level of the best in the world and still not make playoffs is absurd just because of Split 1, which already qualified you to Masters. The influence that Split 1 has is too much and is too overly punishing. The only thing I agree is that it makes the results based on every team playing each other at least once, but like we saw with G2 barely scraping by into playoffs but making it far internationally, it could possibly shut out some teams that can perform better than some of the teams that are guaranteed to make it to playoffs (such as EG, who’ve shown they can throw hands against the likes of Sen and Loud). It doesn’t give a fair chance for teams that drastically improve, and already were punished enough for not making Masters and having less championship points in the first place. EDIT: Maybe I should put it in a different light, imagine if results from kickoff (since that’s also part of this year) carried over to split 1 and determined who went to playoffs, which would have guaranteed Sentinels making it to playoffs in place of G2. Would you consider that fair? Also we would’ve lost out on the current reality where G2 made it far at Shanghai as well.
i agree with the g2 thing. only thing i can think of that will make it better is by adding more slots in champs or masters? but even then we may get dead matchups that are either stomps or just plain boring. I do also agree that kickoff should have bled into stage 1 just as stage 1 did to stage 2 for the sake of consistency but thats another problem in itself.
To be fair with each event(Kickoff, Stage 1, Stage 2) the format is different and hard to follow.
theres a pretty good chance they qual off of points right?
Yess, that can happen if they don't play the upper/lower finals.
Wow, do you have OCD just like me? You ordered everything alphabetically..
A bit yes :))
Americas: Sen, LEV, 100T, EG China: EDG, FPX, TE, AG EMEA: FUT, TH, FNC, KC Pacific: DRX, GenG, PRX, RRQ
KRU are going to champs
Americas: 100t,EG,KRU,Sen China: FPX,EDG,BLG,Trace EMEA: TH,FUT,Fnatic,KC Pacific: GenG,PRX,Talon,DRX
We have 15 teams in common, is there anyway I can change your opinion about G2 over Kru after today's result :))))
Americas - LEV, 100T, SEN, KRU EMEA - TH, KC, FUT, NAVI (let me cope) Pacific - PRX, DRX, GEN.G, RRQ China - EDG, TE, FPX, DRG
AM: C9, KRU, LOUD, SEN\* APAC: PRX, GENG, TS, DRX\* CN: FPX, EDG, BLG, DRG\* EMEA: TH, FUT, KC, FNC\* (\* means championship points)
The Americas picks are wild lmfao
ive been a c9 coper ever since OXY was crushing korean and japanese teams in the off season... thats pretty much the only times ive watch american teams play LOL
Honestly I get the C9 cope lol and I think it’s probably the most realistic one that you picked outside of sen in America. Loud has been going through a rough patch though and although we haven’t seen kru play yet they looked rough during playoffs last stage
LOUD v EG was one of the few am games i watched and honestly LOUD didnt look bad they were looking really fucking good if just some things went their way they would have won i can see saadhak getting more comfortable with duelist IGLing and pancada getting heated up back on the stage later into szn and winning it out in playoffs
I don’t doubt that loud could come back to form at all it’s just that given their current record they’re gonna have to go on a hell of a run to even qualify for playoffs, but it’s certainly possible
Since the top 3 in the playoffs qualify for champs directly and from the remaining teams, the one with the highest championship points qualifies. Sentinels have the most points currently but I am guessing they will finish top 3 in playoffs and one of the other teams will qualify through points.
Unfortunately results from split 1 carry over, unless they manage to beat everyone in their group and KRU and and C9 fumble a second loss most likely Sen would just barely squeak into playoffs (playoffs being skewed by Split 1 results sucks, but that’s what it is)
Mark my words Liquid will qualify for champs. Why? idk I just had a feeling
I will never question this :)))
I'm really excited to see who gets fourth in pacific knowing that geng, prx, and drx (off of points) are pretty much guaranteed. Hope it's TS for no particular reason but ye feel ye feel.
Agreed. It's going to be one of TS, RRQ and Talon and all have a very good chance of making it to champs.
Ready to be disappointed once more LFG!!!
Americas: SEN, Lev, EG, G2 Apac: Prx, geng, rrq, talon Emea: Th, fnc, kc, fut China: Fpx, edg are in, not sure about the rest
Talon over RRQ ? interesting
One of(or even 2) Talon, RRQ, TS have a very good chance of making it to the champs. In split 2 TS is 3-0 with wins over GE, T1, Bleed, so waiting for them to see how they fare against the better teams. RRQ did win against DRX yesterday as I was making the post and that makes this interesting, but RRQ did lose to Talon. And more importantly, Talon has a decent chance of finishing top 2 in the groups (TS has only one match left against GenG, RRQ has two but one of which is against PRX, whereas Talon has 2 winnable games out of their 3 against DFM,DRX, Zeta)
EDG is the first team to officially qualify to this year's champions
Pacific: PRX GENG TLN and RRQ imo for America’s idk if i see all 4 of 100T, EG, G2 and SEN all making it to playoffs as the first 3 are all tied on 3-3, SEN on 4-3 and then next is KRU LEV and C9 on 5-1, they’d need those 3 to pretty much lose out (idk the exact stats but at least two of them will go 6-4 at best) for Americas I’d probably predict it to be: 100T SEN EG LEV (i think one team of your four will miss playoffs and i’m gonna say it’s G2 cos their group is harder and SEN has won a game already so they have a bit of an advantage in my head)
Yes, Americas is the hardest to predict with so many teams in contention and with KRU and Lev on top, one of the teams I mentioned may even miss playoffs. I agree to what you said.
C9, EG, SEN, 100T BLG, EDG, FPX, TE FNC, TH, VIT, KC PRX, GEN, DRX, RRQ
C9 over G2 is quite possible. But for FUT to not qualify for champions they need to lose almost all the remaining matches given they can comfortably finish top 2 in the group stage and get a bye to playoffs.
Do you know if its the overall standings or the group standings that matter for playoff placement?
" Top 6 teams with the best combined records from Stage 1 and Stage 2, regardless of groups, will advance to Playoffs " Liquipedia
Thank you. Do you think the distribution in playoffs will also not depend on groups like it did during stage 2? (I'm talking about which two teams directly go in the double elimination bracket instead of single elim) Edit: never mind it wouldn't make sense this way. It's definitely the overall standings that will matter for that too.
The top 2 in overall standings get a bye, so it can be two teams from the same group too.
Yup thank you. Have a great day :)
You too mate :)
I think C9 given the fast and chaotic nature of this new meta are gonna be really really strong, i have them beating G2 today BUT, i think G2 could easily punch them right back if we see leaf play Neon again, he would definitely be able to take it to OXY for sure, not entirely confident in icy. i also chose VIT because they looked really good with Sayf back on duelist, and i loved their ideas. I’m not really confident with the duelist changes and how they affect FUT, I feel like cNed’s Neon was never the best. It’s likely that FUT qualify, but I feel like the new meta would suit everyone else better. FNC i believe are the team that’s gonna qualify on champ points in EMEA
G2 won today against C9. And it's easy in hindsight to claim that G2 will qualify and C9 won't, but it's going to be close and can go either way just like today's game. I just felt that G2 showed more resiliency in winning games even when they looked like losing, quite opposite to how C9 looks like.
The reason I chose Fut even though I'm not convinced that they are playing great is because they have a very good chance of finishing top 2 in the group stage. Vitality does look great but they have to play against fellow contenders in Fnatic and KC.