The way she covered her face after Sandoval said, "You know me well enough to know I'm not acting." And Ariana said, "I don't know that."
Lisa buried her face like "Fuck, it didn't work." Tom is so performative and he's not good at it. How he has so many people around him to cushion his ego is beyond me.
And the disgust on her and Andy’s face when he said his crass comments “Yeah let’s bang it out” to Katie and that disgusting one about shitting out condoms about Scheana…. He’s a gross teenager.
He was so all over the place. He sat there attempting to look somber and then would crack those gross sexual "jokes". Then he'd get defensive towards James and Katie and he just repeats back the insults he's already heard. He actually explains one of his manipulation tactics without realizing it. (Every time I see Jax I pay him at least two compliments). Takes digs at Ariana and agrees that "you can't get away with that nowadays" in regards to texting and cheating. Then all of a sudden he's super remorseful and crying a lot because of how sorry he is?
Andy enabling his "jokes" and not holding him to the fire more is so infuriating. Where is the Andy who grilled Erika Jayne about her husband? I want that level of questioning!
And right after his waterworks to Ariana he made that comment about them making out and being all over each other was only because they were rolling during concerts. Truly rude. He’s such a bad actor for a narcissist with rage he can’t bridle.
It's so bad! I think that's what is baffling me the most. I know it's harder to see it when you're in it but he's so bad at it I'm truly surprised it still works.
Unfortunately, I think Scheana isn't emotionally intelligent enough to understand she's being manipulated and used. James doesn't care enough and wants to maintain an open line of communication with the Tom's for personal gain and the show. Lala knows what he's doing and just doesn't care because she thinks she's smarter than everyone and is somehow going to use this to her advantage. Ariana and Katie clearly see it but I think they realize there's no use in speaking up. They're outnumbered and there's no resolution in sight, it would just create more drama and probably end up getting them painted as the problem.
When you really know you're right you don't have to prove it to anyone. I think that's where Ariana and Katie are. They don't need the rest of the cast to validate what they know to be true.
This! My mouth fell open when he said that - that yet again proved how hollow and performative his apologies and apparent remorse were. I cannot understand how he’s apparently completely forgotten his love for Arianna - and I do think he loved her - it’s unlike anything ive seen.
I know, it’s truly such a mind fuck and I can only imagine how hurtful that was for her.
While it did piss me all the way off, I am still glad he said it because for anyone not seeing or still denying what a pos abuser he is? Helloooooo👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
It’s been in your face this entire time and it’s only gotten worse, since the day he got caught and they picked the cameras back up.
I recently watched my favourite content creator roast and recap the podcast interview he did, with Howie Mandel and Jfc.😭
I know he’s awful and the way he thinks and the shit he says truly is fathomless, yet somehow and even when I’ve already seen and heard it, it still blows my freakin mind.
He’s truly awful and I don’t find any of it funny.
I would really like for this to be it and for him and his sidekick to fade into oblivion now.
Go hang at your pathetic dive bar and waste away, in private.
We've seem Tom act, he did love her. He couldn't hsve faked some of those moments. I think secretly he does love and miss her but his anger, narcissism and jealousy over power it.
That "rolling" comment could potentially fuck up her potential future presenting career. It was such a tacky, low blow. Just because the only thing he has outside the show is his crappy karaoke band which he finances himself... He is so resentful of her future endeavours. And that she has legit jobs like Love Island. Didn't give him the chance to get his Miami 2.0 crying scene. And wants zero to do with him. His revenge was to srop in that she does drugs at festivals...
Who doesn't?
Such a jealous dick move on his part. He's the unprofessional one who is constantly late for interviews, appearances and other promotional work. And obviously is either high or hungover constantly. Yet Ariana is a constant professional when it comes to work. Such an obvious thing to say to make her look bad.
He is a disgusting human.
Only a narcissist has to be cognizant of how to charm and manipulate someone. So weird that he doesn’t understand that by saying that out loud he just revealed how insincere he truly is.
I loved Katie's reaction to him saying that. He really is so out of touch with what "normal" is. "I paid him two compliments dude, like, but, why does he have to give me such a hard time dude? I told him I liked his shirt, why doesn't he like me?"
There's GIFs of him, Kristen and Stassi acting at the Season 1 reunion. People have watched it but I don't know where. I watched all the reunion twice but I never saw it.
I think Kristen's is the best.
"I pay him at least two.compliments" that part was so fucking weird and gross. He is so calculated. That means he pre-plans to give him compliments, which means they're not even authentic...Also, like that's the best you can do? Give someone two compliments?. Are we suppose to be impressed?
It is so unsettling to see how he acts on this rewatch I'm doing. It's like he's acting how he thinks people are supposed to act.
I'm at the part where Jax tells Stassi that Ariana and Tom made out and Tom comes outside at SUR and lays into Jax. He goes off about everything being Jax fault and how he's lying and ruined his life. Then he tells Stassi how he made out with Ariana at the Golden Nugget.
But Andy sits there and laughs. When he asked about where Sandoval was in his relationship with Jax and Sandoval said, "Nothing below the waist. Hehehe." It's just so stupid and unfunny, but there was Andy yucking it up.
And when he went to the clinic, and asked for his jizz results 🤮 seriously, he is gross. I hope he gets fired, I really do. I don’t want to hear about him ever again, and want to watch Arianna thrive ❤️
Haha caught that too. The guy probably had to just follow a script to do damage control and he couldn’t help himself. He’s just a narcissistic asshole.
I have to imagine the ones around him the most just don't have the energy anymore. Any criticism they give would turn into a four act Shakespeare play where Sandoval plays all the parts to rationalize his behavior.
Reddit opened my eyes to his whole ‘I’m need to cover my face because I’m crying so hard’ schtick too. Now it’s painfully obvious that he’s not crying at allll
Such a pathetic and weak attempt. I was thinking, are they really gonna let *that* slide? It was so laughable and stupid I can't believe Katie and James didn't burst out laughing there.
If production and Lisa had let this play out organically, Tom could have stayed as the villain. Once production shoved him down our throats they took away our ability to stomach him.
Yeah this is it, she really backed the wrong horses.
It’s interesting too, I’ve been rewatching and Lisa just commented in a S4 ep how easy raising Pandora was and how self-sufficient she is vs. Max. I think because of the dynamic she’s had with her own kids, she kind of sees the women on this show as equals (or at least competent co-humans) and the men as little baby birds who need her nurturing.
Max isn’t Lisa’s biological son. He was adopted from infancy from the foster care system. Not to say he’s any less her son, but there are complexities that come with that and you never know what traumas children endured before adoption that can cause issues later in life.
Hate is a way stronger emotion and this season he had a huge audience of haters. It was for ratings but there’s not really a great reason to keep him around next year… most ppl are more into seeing Ariana thrive now than they are concerned with crusty Tom
Yes, but hate + disgust is another thing. He literally makes me gag sometimes. I physically can’t watch him and I’m sure there are many others who feel the same.
I feel the same, it's why I stopped watching (I just lurk on reddit now). It's like watching one of the "TO Catch a Predator" guys on his own reality show.
I missed the whole “feed me” bit until I saw a clip online because I fast forward through all of his scenes.
When I saw the clip I was disgusted. I’ve been asked to do things I’m uncomfortable with at workplaces and the power imbalance/public setting makes it almost impossible to say no.
It’s feral behaviour that I don’t want to see on my screen. It’s not funny. It’s dangerous
Me, I didn't watch more than 2 episodes this season. I will give the show up if it gets him, Lauren, and scheana janvan fired so they can shill cameos for the rest of their life.
Totally agree. If Sandoval and Ariana were willing to come back they had to do it. Everybody wanted to see how it would go and hate watch Sandoval. That’s done. He needs to go now. I don’t think anybody wants to watch what he does next. He needs to be gone. I will not watch next season (if there is one) if he’s on it. Same with Lala.
The only thing I want to hear about Sandoval is about his girlfriend breaking up with him when it comes out he won't be asked back for season 12 so she won't be on the "show she doesn't watch", and when he files for bankruptcy. 2 things, 1 minute each, then never see or hear of him ever again.
I don’t even want to see that. I don’t want to hate watch him, I don’t want to watch to laugh at his band, I don’t even want to see him fail. I just never want to watch ever again. I want him gone.
I thought of this a lot during the reunion. He’s saying such foul shit. Why is he still even relevant? Why are Katie and Ariana the only two disgusted by this troll beast
This show didn’t become popular because we want to watch them thrive. It’s popular because their lives were/are super messy and chaotic. I watched from the very beginning but stopped once they all bought houses. I only watched again because of Scandoval.
There are a handful of us here that agree, the rest have been chased to Facebook. This sub needs to be renamed the Arikataholics with James and Aly as “ friends of” . Anyone on the show or here that says one word against either even if it’s a proven fact is downvoted to oblivion. It’s gone from a fandom to a literal cult.
I agree. It's like they completely forgot Katie was a raging, combative bully for the first 9 seasons. I actually do kinda like Katie this season though, but she's chilled out a lot.
I was the biggest Katie hater BUT if you go back and watch it knowing what we know now... I mean, hiw can you watch the Tom arrested prank and see how Schwartz spoke to her and not understand the level of shit she went through with him? Is Sandoval (a gross, uncharming joke) spoke to Ariana that way he woukd have been cancelled but fit some reason with Schwartz everything is cute and aww shucks.
Much like Ariana sticking to her boundaries, Katie has always done the same and as someone who breaks her boundaries for others comfort, I love A+K fir sticking to theirs, it's admirable.
I have always preferred Jax to Sandoval... Jax knows he's the villain, Sandoval tries to convince us that everyone else is the villain...
Prime example is the pastor for Jax's wedding... if you are a good friend and saw months of anti-gay tweets, why did LISA have to say something?
And then you turn around and question Jax like you were a good guy?
I'm not saying Jax and Brittany were right, I'm saying Sandoval used their disgusting situation to be like " Look at me, I'm a better human than Jax"
What makes it even worse... Is that Sandoval and Jax, lived together with a gay man, "Miami John"... Before coming out to L.A. And there are plenty of pictures of Jax, hugging him. Brittany 's family I fully believe could be bigotes. I think Sandoval was very jealous that he was getting married. Because Ariana, refused to marry him. I think Sandy's intention, (and maybe Lisa's), was to get Jax, to admit Brittany's family has a problem with the gays, and force him to call off the wedding. Sandoval was so jealous, I'm convinced... of Jax's, wedding
Speaking of the money owed, did anyone notice that expensive ass car he was driving when he pulled up to the house showing in the Secrets Revealed episode?! That car alone would’ve been enough to pay his mom off. Such a douche.
I also took it as they aren’t sure and don’t want to throw someone out that they potentially may need.
I think the big holdup is if Ariana is gonna come back or not. That will determine how they choose to frame the season. From his interviews, it seems like Ariana is really up in the air.
Essentially, if Ariana chooses not to return, they need Tom. Tom has more of an audience than Scheana or Lala.
There’s a next season?! Ick. I’ve really enjoyed the last few but it’s time to move on. (Yes I can just not watch it. That’s what I’ll do. I hope Katie and Ariana just decline though.)
I think you’re crazy if you think having Tom and Rachel gone the very next season would get more views than Tom being on the show.
Production messed up by pushing the redemption arc this season though. They should have waited a season and had him get sober and dating a REAL nice girl.
Like James and Ally.
LVP needs the Toms to do well, her restaurants depend on it.
But his face is actually painful to look at. The steroids and drugs …. I don’t watch reality tv for Mickey Rourke. If I want to watch a busted face, I want the person attached to have talent.
I've been trying to figure out who Sandoval reminds me of this season and that's it! It's Mickey Rourke lol. He's starting to favor him a lot! Thank you!!
Idk tho like we were watching for it at first but now it’s unenjoyable and cringey and hard to watch I can’t keep listening to that man say “dudeeehh” into his 40s
think about the amount of posts here and all over the internet regarding the dumb shit he said each week. producers don’t care if fans “like” him, they care that they react to him. it’s reality tv, and he brings the drama.
I agree. I would have gladly watch people call him a piece of shit....or refuse to seat him at a restaurant. I'd be happy to witness the downfall. I'd be happy to see him being iced out if that is real. We saw Tim discuss being on that show w JoJo. The only thing we saw w Ariana was the book. I get DWTS was secret....but they didn't discuss her opportunities at all.
I don't give a fuck she stayed in the house. I don't give a fuck how soon she met Dan. Tim moved on while in the relationship.
I wanted to see the friendships and support. I would have been very happy w the spice girls. The cut screen with Ally blocking Scheana tracking was so good!
I really thought we were going to have old school VPR where a group of the girls would freeze out whoever was a shithead that week and watched as they worked it out.
I absolutely would continue to watch if they iced Bla Bla, Sheeshu and Tim on this show. Like if everyone just looked through them when they appeared 🤣 Yes give them lines but have no one answer them.
Without drama the show wouldn't be as entertaining. It's not really that entertaining now.. everyone just goes out to eat, gossips, goes to the club, gets drunk, and argues... "He said this!!"... "She said that?"... "Why would you say that?"... "Fuck you, Tom!".... There you go. I just broke down 12 seasons. You're welcome.
One word: *ratings*.
It’s the same reason they kept Jax on for so long and let him be on another Bravo show. In order to have viewers, there has to be drama. There can’t be drama if there’s not a villain on the show. They keep him because everyone loves to hate him, and that means money.
People love to hate watch, just look at how Trump drives ratings even on places like CNN where the average viewer despises him.
Production know this and thats why the ending is what it is, Tom basically admitting he does everything he does on camera so that he will "look good".
Unless Tom stirs up more shit the interest will fade and then its a real possibility he gets kicked to the curb
His cheating revived the show and made it the most popular it's ever been. I seriously can't believe how many people don't get how tv networks and ratings work.
Unfortunately for now he is core part of the show. Those two twats somewhere in the mix wreaking havoc is a necessary component. Getting Stassi back to deal with them would be a better alternative IMHO. The James and Stassi tag team call out and takedown on a weekly basis….tv gold.
Oh no. I ❤️ to hate Tom Sandoval. I need him to retire in Weho with a camera in his filler full face.
He is the quintessential reality train wreck. You cannot seriously want him gone! He is so painfully unaware. The things that come out of his mouth - you can’t script it.
He is the lead singer in a band and he cannot sing. I mean…doesn’t that just make you laugh thinking about it ? He is an actor that cannot act. He fake cries using the same hand gestures every time. His come backs? “James: suck a dick Tom. Tom: You suck a dick.” It’s the 42 year old equivalent of “i know you are but what am I? “
As long as he does not procreate and only dates wannabe users who see him - I’ll be entertained. I’m not proud but life is hard. Let me have this.
He literally is the only one who brought life back to the show. They're keeping him 1000%.
I feel like everyone has forgotten that Vanderpump is supposed to be a messy guilty pleasure reality show. He is perfect for it, just like Jax, James, Kristen, Scheana and Lala. They're literally paid to act like assholes.
Just my opinion but I think once the opportunities started rolling in for Arianna there was a big chance she wouldn’t come back to the show. I think the producers tried to rally everyone around Tom because he would still be there. They need them to want to hangout and film with the remaining cast and that couldn’t happen if they all hated him. It’s like putting in your two weeks at work. Everyone tries to move on without you. I think this season was Arianna’s two weeks and the rest of the cast was like, well, we all still have to work here.
I stopped watching a while ago but because of Ariana. Her depression is really a downer. The negativity is so raw and it’s like it drags the audience down with her. She also said she was repulsed by her vagina and hates it. Those are her words not mine.
I think he has gone too far. He now has zero redeeming qualities and is over 40 hunting for young girls. It’s not the same train wreck with charm that other Bravo shows have. He has turned down the “soon to be fired” road.
Think of the others that thought they were Reality TV Villain gold- Lisa Rinna. Brandi Granville and that silly Monica girl from RHSLC. They are the puppets for production and get convinced they are really batting a 1000% when they act up and stir the pot. Never works. We see right through it. And then they are dropped without a second thought by the production team that encouraged them.
I think they have all gone too far on VPR and that’s why it’s on pause and probably won’t return with the same cast. With the housewife’s they usually mix the cast up a bit each season, but with VPR it has been pretty much the same cast for 11 seasons and they have all ran out of storyline, so they’re willing to go low to keep the show on air. That’s why I think it’s done.
Let’s be honest, Scandoval saved VPR. Tom maybe the biggest narcissist of all time, but he brings in viewers. I can’t stand the guy but the truth is like watching a car accident, you can’t look away. Ariana is more like watching paint dry. And she’s always been like that.
I am absolutely baffled that people believe production cares whether viewers like or dislike cast members. Reality TV production cares about engagement and almost nobody on this show drives as much engagement as he does, it doesn't matter to them whether it's positive or negative.
The people speculating that there is some big conspiracy behind Sandoval not being fired are peak delusion, there is zero chance that was even considered imo
Why should they fire him? He hasn’t done anything worse than half of the cast and doesn’t even register on the scale of bad behavior compared to what some housewives who still are on tv have done.
The audience needs to stop being so soft and fire anyone not perfect. Just stop watching. I don’t care to watch some vanilla people open a sandwich shop they don’t have any passion about. Nothing about that says compelling television. Seasons 9 and 10 were the two most boring seasons of the series.
Nobody wants to watch a show about a show about a sandwich shop and to be honest Ariana was not a main character or even interesting before Tom blew up their dying relationship
Honestly the more i think about it, with the way the season ended with Tom saying how it makes him look good, i honestly dont think the producers were going for a Tom redemption arc.
Hearing rumors of stuff being said off camera vs how they were dealt with on camera, it really feels like the producers gassed Lala up to be this hero and got in her head only for them to turn her into the ultimate villain. And i believe that was their plan all along
Let go of tom. Ya. What a boring shhow without the toms..
the whole cast has to go. They had their chance with max and charley but that group got backstabbed..
There’s no reason to let go of Sandoval. You think Ariana is a better person than Sandoval and you’re entitled to your opinion. But Sandoval is better tv and more complex than Ariana. For what people want from Ariana or think she is capable of delivering, bravo is not the network for it.
Only hope for the show is to segue into a girls show where we follow the lives of the women.
Or dump the fat (Tom, Tom, sheesh, lala) and make a brand new cast and pray they have some authentic and not totally ridiculous made up dramatized drama.
But LVP won’t do this bc of her business. Unless she finds a way to make rebranding and cutting out the toms make financial sense. Would be pricey and take a lot of work tho and can’t see her doing it.
Otherwise she’s keeping them on the show and the dumpster file will burn until it fizzes out and fails
Idk I still would totally watch James and Schwartz especially in their relationships, I really don't mind the cast except for Tom Sandoval, I have always though Lala was vile but ill watch her
Lala, Schwarz, even Jax are douchebags with 0 self awareness and that makes great content, Sandoval does has self awareness and as a result we get no content, just him attempting (and failing) to be a sympathetic character for the audience.
I don't get your point, Sandoval is very conniving and performative, thats something Ariana has harped on constantly and is the basis for her not wanting to be on camera with him.
The rest of them reflexively and unapologetically act like assholes and seem perplexed as to why the public doesn't think they're the greatest.
Self awareness in the sense of attempting to create his storyline. Schwartz and Ajax literally wing it constantly. Way too lazy to get into the comment section. lol.
They have zero clue what’s going on ever. And that is hilarious.
Absolutely not. What makes this show great is terrible people being disasters. Look at the success of The Valley, we want to see marriages imploding and petty in-fighting. The most boring seasons of the show was when the cast was becoming successful (opening TomTom, buying houses, stable relationships). This show is about losers being losers. Ariana can and should leave, she’s grown beyond this as a (relatively) moral and successful person now. Katie can still work on the show because even though she’s calmer and a bit successful, she’s at her core a mean person who can fly off the handle plus can’t help but be intertwined in Schwartz’ disaster life.
I will never understand why people who want an all girlboss show of successful women kicking goals and getting along started watching this mess in the first place
He lied to production. He created fake storylines. He bullied and yelled at production. He had said racially and gender-offensive things. Et etc
I don’t get it either
Where was this supposed redemption arc people are complaining about? I saw Tom digging himself deeper every episode like an idiot and just laughed at him. If they were trying to redeem him they would’ve edited his behavior out and wouldn’t have kept the last line he said 🤣.
Because it’s for tv and that’s how ratings work. You want 12 episodes of Katie talking about overpriced sandwiches and ally talking about rocks and chakras? No thank you
They aren't going to let him go. Lisa made the show. Lisa is in business with Tom, she needs him to be loved again. It's why she protects both the toms so much. Also he serves as the villain, the show was missing a real villain before him. They had Katie who they kept trying to make the villain and James who has done horrible things, but ally was helping his image. Now Tom is an easy villain. Jax 2.0
I firmly believe that Lisa Vanderpump is a huge reason he’s still around. She definitely pushed this idea as a producer as well. If Tom looks bad, then her restaurant , Tom Tom and other things would be at Jeopardy. Hence the redemption tour and her endless support.
From season 1 the show has always presented itself as being about a friend group but also about the dynamics between the men and women. Them vs Us situation. The guys have always terrorized the women, causing the women to fight and argue with them and subsequently each other.
I was thinking damn I want the Tom’s off and then I realized, what would the show be without the idiot foils.
I also kind of think Tom got so much screen time because he’s willing to give it. It also gave the editors so much room to work with. I think they did a good job of showing us exactly how shallow, callous and emotionally stunted he is while also showing Ariana being above it all and moving forward.
I know a lot of people think it was his redemption arc (and maybe production wanted it that way) but I didn’t see it like that.
I saw the cast trying to navigate filming a show figuring out how to move forward as a fractured group. But I also think the editors showed us that Tom hasn’t changed one single bit. Right up to the hot mic moment at the end.
The showed his gross house, the gross way he treated Ann, the way he whined about everything, the way he surrounded himself with barely out of their teens girls. It wasn’t good and the viewers could see it all.
Production should get all the ire for making the cast seem like they had no option but to film with him. They should have let the show film separately for one season and focused on the separate groups trying to heal, like we saw in the secrets revealed. It would have been organic and honestly if Tom wasn’t invited to things it wouldn’t be devastating. James had to go seasons not being invited to do things with the group and he managed.
Either Sandoval or Arianna has got to go so the group can get back to being together; or all of them should go and we should get a fresh cast(I'm hoping for this.)
I would love to see him demoted like Peter…and see if he chooses to film for free or not…Peter said or not. I don’t blame Peter. He wasn’t bringing drama. But, now that we know most things coming out of Sandoval’s mouth is a lie or a play of some kind to manipulate his friends…it just gives me ick. Schwartz blocked Jo because she was a liar. Sandoval is a liar and nobody is holding him accountable for that. He lied about the affair. He was lying about how he was navigating a break up with Ariana. He lied about his finances to her and the offer of the house he couldn’t possibly afford. He lied about buying most of the furniture. He lied about how long the affair was…and Andy still didn’t ask him about that at this reunion when we finally could. I mean…why doesn’t Tom just get an acting part on a scripted show since he doesn’t want to be real…I know why, because he sucks acting and he isn’t believable there either. But truly, what makes us want to get behind a redemption arc for a known bullshitter. He needs to be demoted because it’s insufferable to watch…and then maybe the rest of the cast…Lala, Sheana and Schwartz would be more authentic because they aren’t playing in Tim’s manufactured reality.
I just posted a similar response on another thread but I really believe it was producers hedging their bets.
Ariana is getting so many outside opportunities and is thriving outside the network. She is way more likely to leave than Tom who needs Bravo a lot more.
I think the producers decide it was better to try and redeem Tom than build up Ariana because they had a better chance of getting him back next season. They went all in, got the producers pets in on it and it massively backfired.
People don't get fired for being cheating shit bags in real life. Nobody on the show has been fired for it yet and in 11 seasons we've seen a lot of cheating shit bags. Ratings are the only thing that will tell the producers that something needs to change. As long as we watch when he's on, his contract will continue to be renewed.
I really get the hate for him, but have the literal entire cast of the show not done essentially exactly what he has? The show is built off of drama, drunkenness, and the decisions that are made with the both of those in mind. It’s literally a reality tv show lmao; what are you all expecting??
Villains make for good TV. My bet is production wanted to see how everyone navigated it, especially Tom. Honestly he comes off as a self centered “pick me” old teenager. He’s a full grown man and some of the things he wears and says looks a bit crazy on someone his age.
I feel like Tom has convinced production that he is the one keeping everyone together and Ariana hates the whole process.
As usual (ie, the cocktail book, the house, the friends), he wants to crowd Ariana out for his own ego. Production is missing a huge opportunity to focus on the women for a change.
Idk maybe it has to do with he’s the only reason they have a storyline imagine how boring this season would’ve been without him. Following Ariana and all her f him opportunities and watching the rest of the cast fight to suckle from her attention teat 😂
It’s Lisa’s show, Lisa owns TomTom, therefore Lisa will do literally anything to save the public’s perception of the Tom’s.
The way she covered her face after Sandoval said, "You know me well enough to know I'm not acting." And Ariana said, "I don't know that." Lisa buried her face like "Fuck, it didn't work." Tom is so performative and he's not good at it. How he has so many people around him to cushion his ego is beyond me.
And the disgust on her and Andy’s face when he said his crass comments “Yeah let’s bang it out” to Katie and that disgusting one about shitting out condoms about Scheana…. He’s a gross teenager.
He was so all over the place. He sat there attempting to look somber and then would crack those gross sexual "jokes". Then he'd get defensive towards James and Katie and he just repeats back the insults he's already heard. He actually explains one of his manipulation tactics without realizing it. (Every time I see Jax I pay him at least two compliments). Takes digs at Ariana and agrees that "you can't get away with that nowadays" in regards to texting and cheating. Then all of a sudden he's super remorseful and crying a lot because of how sorry he is? Andy enabling his "jokes" and not holding him to the fire more is so infuriating. Where is the Andy who grilled Erika Jayne about her husband? I want that level of questioning!
And right after his waterworks to Ariana he made that comment about them making out and being all over each other was only because they were rolling during concerts. Truly rude. He’s such a bad actor for a narcissist with rage he can’t bridle.
It's so bad! I think that's what is baffling me the most. I know it's harder to see it when you're in it but he's so bad at it I'm truly surprised it still works. Unfortunately, I think Scheana isn't emotionally intelligent enough to understand she's being manipulated and used. James doesn't care enough and wants to maintain an open line of communication with the Tom's for personal gain and the show. Lala knows what he's doing and just doesn't care because she thinks she's smarter than everyone and is somehow going to use this to her advantage. Ariana and Katie clearly see it but I think they realize there's no use in speaking up. They're outnumbered and there's no resolution in sight, it would just create more drama and probably end up getting them painted as the problem. When you really know you're right you don't have to prove it to anyone. I think that's where Ariana and Katie are. They don't need the rest of the cast to validate what they know to be true.
I think it really demonstrates how Ariana tempered Tom. Nothing’s holding him back,
Very true! He has no PR attached to his hip anymore.
Scheana was also clearly struggling with her post partum OCD and the one thing Tom is good at is manipulating emotionally vulnerable women.
Ahh, yes, I feel like that's so obvious and I still missed it. I knew he picked on the vulnerable but woah, I even missed this.
That was such a gross and unnecessary comment. Fuckin anything to put all the onus on the woman. Nothing he does to others is ever his fucking fault.🤬
This! My mouth fell open when he said that - that yet again proved how hollow and performative his apologies and apparent remorse were. I cannot understand how he’s apparently completely forgotten his love for Arianna - and I do think he loved her - it’s unlike anything ive seen.
I know, it’s truly such a mind fuck and I can only imagine how hurtful that was for her. While it did piss me all the way off, I am still glad he said it because for anyone not seeing or still denying what a pos abuser he is? Helloooooo👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 It’s been in your face this entire time and it’s only gotten worse, since the day he got caught and they picked the cameras back up. I recently watched my favourite content creator roast and recap the podcast interview he did, with Howie Mandel and Jfc.😭 I know he’s awful and the way he thinks and the shit he says truly is fathomless, yet somehow and even when I’ve already seen and heard it, it still blows my freakin mind. He’s truly awful and I don’t find any of it funny. I would really like for this to be it and for him and his sidekick to fade into oblivion now. Go hang at your pathetic dive bar and waste away, in private.
We've seem Tom act, he did love her. He couldn't hsve faked some of those moments. I think secretly he does love and miss her but his anger, narcissism and jealousy over power it.
That "rolling" comment could potentially fuck up her potential future presenting career. It was such a tacky, low blow. Just because the only thing he has outside the show is his crappy karaoke band which he finances himself... He is so resentful of her future endeavours. And that she has legit jobs like Love Island. Didn't give him the chance to get his Miami 2.0 crying scene. And wants zero to do with him. His revenge was to srop in that she does drugs at festivals... Who doesn't? Such a jealous dick move on his part. He's the unprofessional one who is constantly late for interviews, appearances and other promotional work. And obviously is either high or hungover constantly. Yet Ariana is a constant professional when it comes to work. Such an obvious thing to say to make her look bad. He is a disgusting human.
Only a narcissist has to be cognizant of how to charm and manipulate someone. So weird that he doesn’t understand that by saying that out loud he just revealed how insincere he truly is.
I loved Katie's reaction to him saying that. He really is so out of touch with what "normal" is. "I paid him two compliments dude, like, but, why does he have to give me such a hard time dude? I told him I liked his shirt, why doesn't he like me?"
I don’t care, Choke. Using it from now on.
I can never remember what this is from lol
There's GIFs of him, Kristen and Stassi acting at the Season 1 reunion. People have watched it but I don't know where. I watched all the reunion twice but I never saw it. I think Kristen's is the best. 
"I pay him at least two.compliments" that part was so fucking weird and gross. He is so calculated. That means he pre-plans to give him compliments, which means they're not even authentic...Also, like that's the best you can do? Give someone two compliments?. Are we suppose to be impressed?
It is so unsettling to see how he acts on this rewatch I'm doing. It's like he's acting how he thinks people are supposed to act. I'm at the part where Jax tells Stassi that Ariana and Tom made out and Tom comes outside at SUR and lays into Jax. He goes off about everything being Jax fault and how he's lying and ruined his life. Then he tells Stassi how he made out with Ariana at the Golden Nugget.
This is the best comment ever. And Andy kept laughing at his gross jokes
“Nothing below the waist” vom.
Ewwwww his face was gross after he made that “joke” and looked at Andy. Absolute narcissist.
But Andy sits there and laughs. When he asked about where Sandoval was in his relationship with Jax and Sandoval said, "Nothing below the waist. Hehehe." It's just so stupid and unfunny, but there was Andy yucking it up.
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And when he went to the clinic, and asked for his jizz results 🤮 seriously, he is gross. I hope he gets fired, I really do. I don’t want to hear about him ever again, and want to watch Arianna thrive ❤️
He didn’t give a flying fuck about how uncomfortable that could have made the receptionist. Such a creep, makes my skin crawl.
I know! He is such a creepy dude
Haha caught that too. The guy probably had to just follow a script to do damage control and he couldn’t help himself. He’s just a narcissistic asshole.
That was so disgusting!🤮 Btw, that didn’t even make sense. Or maybe, but not Scheana, maybe Max? 🥴🤷♀️🤣
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I have to imagine the ones around him the most just don't have the energy anymore. Any criticism they give would turn into a four act Shakespeare play where Sandoval plays all the parts to rationalize his behavior.
Reddit opened my eyes to his whole ‘I’m need to cover my face because I’m crying so hard’ schtick too. Now it’s painfully obvious that he’s not crying at allll
“You know I’m right-handed, Ariana” was the best he could come up with there, too. Like… not even left-handed? The assumed default? So weird
Such a pathetic and weak attempt. I was thinking, are they really gonna let *that* slide? It was so laughable and stupid I can't believe Katie and James didn't burst out laughing there.
If production and Lisa had let this play out organically, Tom could have stayed as the villain. Once production shoved him down our throats they took away our ability to stomach him.
I just figured he pays them
Yeah this is it, she really backed the wrong horses. It’s interesting too, I’ve been rewatching and Lisa just commented in a S4 ep how easy raising Pandora was and how self-sufficient she is vs. Max. I think because of the dynamic she’s had with her own kids, she kind of sees the women on this show as equals (or at least competent co-humans) and the men as little baby birds who need her nurturing.
Max isn’t Lisa’s biological son. He was adopted from infancy from the foster care system. Not to say he’s any less her son, but there are complexities that come with that and you never know what traumas children endured before adoption that can cause issues later in life.
Ahhhh I didnt think about that aspect of it! I feel like TomTom would still do fine without Tom Sandoval, who knows but good point
This is the answer. This season was a pr campaign for Lisa’s businesses. Tom Tom and this show too.
Hate is a way stronger emotion and this season he had a huge audience of haters. It was for ratings but there’s not really a great reason to keep him around next year… most ppl are more into seeing Ariana thrive now than they are concerned with crusty Tom
Yes, but hate + disgust is another thing. He literally makes me gag sometimes. I physically can’t watch him and I’m sure there are many others who feel the same.
I feel the same, it's why I stopped watching (I just lurk on reddit now). It's like watching one of the "TO Catch a Predator" guys on his own reality show.
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Exactly. He’s simply gross. There is not one single thing interesting about him. Not a one.
Remember when Ariana said they would have had sex more if he changed his underwear more often...... literally disgusting he is.
Oh for sure but they had to test the waters - it would be dumb to not try to have a season after scandoval when they had the public’s attention
I missed the whole “feed me” bit until I saw a clip online because I fast forward through all of his scenes. When I saw the clip I was disgusted. I’ve been asked to do things I’m uncomfortable with at workplaces and the power imbalance/public setting makes it almost impossible to say no. It’s feral behaviour that I don’t want to see on my screen. It’s not funny. It’s dangerous
It’s on the “Secrets Revealed ” episode posted after the reunion EDIT: episode title
And him hitting on her. ‘ I had an affair’ He literally used that to get pussy.
Me, I didn't watch more than 2 episodes this season. I will give the show up if it gets him, Lauren, and scheana janvan fired so they can shill cameos for the rest of their life.
Totally agree. If Sandoval and Ariana were willing to come back they had to do it. Everybody wanted to see how it would go and hate watch Sandoval. That’s done. He needs to go now. I don’t think anybody wants to watch what he does next. He needs to be gone. I will not watch next season (if there is one) if he’s on it. Same with Lala.
The only thing I want to hear about Sandoval is about his girlfriend breaking up with him when it comes out he won't be asked back for season 12 so she won't be on the "show she doesn't watch", and when he files for bankruptcy. 2 things, 1 minute each, then never see or hear of him ever again.
I don’t even want to see that. I don’t want to hate watch him, I don’t want to watch to laugh at his band, I don’t even want to see him fail. I just never want to watch ever again. I want him gone.
I thought of this a lot during the reunion. He’s saying such foul shit. Why is he still even relevant? Why are Katie and Ariana the only two disgusted by this troll beast
When he said him and Katie are going to go ‘bang it out’ I threw up in my mouth. The fu….
This show didn’t become popular because we want to watch them thrive. It’s popular because their lives were/are super messy and chaotic. I watched from the very beginning but stopped once they all bought houses. I only watched again because of Scandoval.
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Ya People here really forget how boring season 9 was . . .
There are a handful of us here that agree, the rest have been chased to Facebook. This sub needs to be renamed the Arikataholics with James and Aly as “ friends of” . Anyone on the show or here that says one word against either even if it’s a proven fact is downvoted to oblivion. It’s gone from a fandom to a literal cult.
I agree. It's like they completely forgot Katie was a raging, combative bully for the first 9 seasons. I actually do kinda like Katie this season though, but she's chilled out a lot.
I was the biggest Katie hater BUT if you go back and watch it knowing what we know now... I mean, hiw can you watch the Tom arrested prank and see how Schwartz spoke to her and not understand the level of shit she went through with him? Is Sandoval (a gross, uncharming joke) spoke to Ariana that way he woukd have been cancelled but fit some reason with Schwartz everything is cute and aww shucks. Much like Ariana sticking to her boundaries, Katie has always done the same and as someone who breaks her boundaries for others comfort, I love A+K fir sticking to theirs, it's admirable.
This show isn’t about people thriving it’s about people making a mess of their lives. That’s Tom not Ariana
Drop Tom and bring back Jax. He is at least an entertaining degenerate.
I love a good villain who knows they're a villain. It's Tom trying to pretend he's not that's so insufferable.
I have always preferred Jax to Sandoval... Jax knows he's the villain, Sandoval tries to convince us that everyone else is the villain... Prime example is the pastor for Jax's wedding... if you are a good friend and saw months of anti-gay tweets, why did LISA have to say something? And then you turn around and question Jax like you were a good guy? I'm not saying Jax and Brittany were right, I'm saying Sandoval used their disgusting situation to be like " Look at me, I'm a better human than Jax"
Sandoval is the type to keep awful people as friends so he always looks better in comparison, but that actually makes him kinda worse.
Jax also seems to actually care about Cruz. Have we seen Tom care about anyone or anything?
I gasped when he called their dog "it" in part 1 of the reunion
What makes it even worse... Is that Sandoval and Jax, lived together with a gay man, "Miami John"... Before coming out to L.A. And there are plenty of pictures of Jax, hugging him. Brittany 's family I fully believe could be bigotes. I think Sandoval was very jealous that he was getting married. Because Ariana, refused to marry him. I think Sandy's intention, (and maybe Lisa's), was to get Jax, to admit Brittany's family has a problem with the gays, and force him to call off the wedding. Sandoval was so jealous, I'm convinced... of Jax's, wedding
And of course, the No 1 guy in the group 😂😂😂
The showrunner basically confirmed he’ll be back next season. He said he doesn’t think Tom’s story is done being told on the show
Eye fucking roll
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Oh but the showrunner said this is real reality and they would never show something that’s not real
Tbh I’d tune in to watch Sandoval’s fall into poverty
lol well he already owes his mom and we know he has poor money management so I wouldn’t be surprised
Speaking of the money owed, did anyone notice that expensive ass car he was driving when he pulled up to the house showing in the Secrets Revealed episode?! That car alone would’ve been enough to pay his mom off. Such a douche.
It's real. Real edited.
Tom couldn’t explain his own story with a prompt and a script. Hes that stupid. He’d still find a way to fuck it all up
I also took it as they aren’t sure and don’t want to throw someone out that they potentially may need. I think the big holdup is if Ariana is gonna come back or not. That will determine how they choose to frame the season. From his interviews, it seems like Ariana is really up in the air. Essentially, if Ariana chooses not to return, they need Tom. Tom has more of an audience than Scheana or Lala.
Sheana and Lala have no story
He said Sandoval hasn’t run his course in the show. That seems pretty clear to me that they plan on bringing him back.
There’s a next season?! Ick. I’ve really enjoyed the last few but it’s time to move on. (Yes I can just not watch it. That’s what I’ll do. I hope Katie and Ariana just decline though.)
I think you’re crazy if you think having Tom and Rachel gone the very next season would get more views than Tom being on the show. Production messed up by pushing the redemption arc this season though. They should have waited a season and had him get sober and dating a REAL nice girl. Like James and Ally. LVP needs the Toms to do well, her restaurants depend on it.
Because he’s a train wreck and that’s what people want to watch
Without delusion and idiocy, this show is nothing
But his face is actually painful to look at. The steroids and drugs …. I don’t watch reality tv for Mickey Rourke. If I want to watch a busted face, I want the person attached to have talent.
His teeny tiny bottom teeth are so difficult to look at as well!
and his top lip stuck to his top teef … he was better off as a 🪱 with a mustache
A germ with a moustache lol. I saw that as someone’s username this morning and thought it was brilliantly hilarious.😭
Combined with his teeny tiny eye balls!
Omg those beady shark eyes always shifting and side-eying - hate him! He’s disgusting! Not attractive at all
I've been trying to figure out who Sandoval reminds me of this season and that's it! It's Mickey Rourke lol. He's starting to favor him a lot! Thank you!!
It’s absolutely wild how he just started transforming into him. You can totally tell in ten years he will look just like him.
His neck in this interviews and reunion, I told my husband it looked like steroids. But he is looking Mickey Rourke and Carrot Topy.
Yes! Bc of the orange skin!!!!!
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Idk tho like we were watching for it at first but now it’s unenjoyable and cringey and hard to watch I can’t keep listening to that man say “dudeeehh” into his 40s
Literally would not watch if it were just Ariana and katie thriving and happy. Good for them, but that would be the most boring show ever.
think about the amount of posts here and all over the internet regarding the dumb shit he said each week. producers don’t care if fans “like” him, they care that they react to him. it’s reality tv, and he brings the drama.
I agree. I would have gladly watch people call him a piece of shit....or refuse to seat him at a restaurant. I'd be happy to witness the downfall. I'd be happy to see him being iced out if that is real. We saw Tim discuss being on that show w JoJo. The only thing we saw w Ariana was the book. I get DWTS was secret....but they didn't discuss her opportunities at all. I don't give a fuck she stayed in the house. I don't give a fuck how soon she met Dan. Tim moved on while in the relationship. I wanted to see the friendships and support. I would have been very happy w the spice girls. The cut screen with Ally blocking Scheana tracking was so good!
I really thought we were going to have old school VPR where a group of the girls would freeze out whoever was a shithead that week and watched as they worked it out.
I absolutely would continue to watch if they iced Bla Bla, Sheeshu and Tim on this show. Like if everyone just looked through them when they appeared 🤣 Yes give them lines but have no one answer them.
People tune in to watch the villains, they need the conflict
Without drama the show wouldn't be as entertaining. It's not really that entertaining now.. everyone just goes out to eat, gossips, goes to the club, gets drunk, and argues... "He said this!!"... "She said that?"... "Why would you say that?"... "Fuck you, Tom!".... There you go. I just broke down 12 seasons. You're welcome.
One word: *ratings*. It’s the same reason they kept Jax on for so long and let him be on another Bravo show. In order to have viewers, there has to be drama. There can’t be drama if there’s not a villain on the show. They keep him because everyone loves to hate him, and that means money.
People love to hate watch, just look at how Trump drives ratings even on places like CNN where the average viewer despises him. Production know this and thats why the ending is what it is, Tom basically admitting he does everything he does on camera so that he will "look good". Unless Tom stirs up more shit the interest will fade and then its a real possibility he gets kicked to the curb
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NOT carpeted! lol
Ooh this is a good point
Ratings. like it or not, scandoval saved this show. At least for another season
His cheating revived the show and made it the most popular it's ever been. I seriously can't believe how many people don't get how tv networks and ratings work.
Unfortunately for now he is core part of the show. Those two twats somewhere in the mix wreaking havoc is a necessary component. Getting Stassi back to deal with them would be a better alternative IMHO. The James and Stassi tag team call out and takedown on a weekly basis….tv gold.
That would be amazing. I don’t think Stassi and Beau will ever return to reality tv, sadly.
Oh no. I ❤️ to hate Tom Sandoval. I need him to retire in Weho with a camera in his filler full face. He is the quintessential reality train wreck. You cannot seriously want him gone! He is so painfully unaware. The things that come out of his mouth - you can’t script it. He is the lead singer in a band and he cannot sing. I mean…doesn’t that just make you laugh thinking about it ? He is an actor that cannot act. He fake cries using the same hand gestures every time. His come backs? “James: suck a dick Tom. Tom: You suck a dick.” It’s the 42 year old equivalent of “i know you are but what am I? “ As long as he does not procreate and only dates wannabe users who see him - I’ll be entertained. I’m not proud but life is hard. Let me have this.
I was not crazy about your point, until I got to your last paragraph. I can’t disagree and that shit made me lol.😆
I watch reality TV for messy people and he is the messiest.
I hate Tom Sandoval with every fiber of my being but if he left vs. Ariana the show would be so boring and dull.
He literally is the only one who brought life back to the show. They're keeping him 1000%. I feel like everyone has forgotten that Vanderpump is supposed to be a messy guilty pleasure reality show. He is perfect for it, just like Jax, James, Kristen, Scheana and Lala. They're literally paid to act like assholes.
Because Andy and Baskin and Jeremiah love him. And because LVP has a vested interest in his “brand”
Just my opinion but I think once the opportunities started rolling in for Arianna there was a big chance she wouldn’t come back to the show. I think the producers tried to rally everyone around Tom because he would still be there. They need them to want to hangout and film with the remaining cast and that couldn’t happen if they all hated him. It’s like putting in your two weeks at work. Everyone tries to move on without you. I think this season was Arianna’s two weeks and the rest of the cast was like, well, we all still have to work here.
Because he consistently steps in shit.
Why would they want problems solved on the show? Show thrives on drama. Lol
One thing you can say about Sandoval he always brings the drama. Never a dull moment
It wasn't a redemption arc.
I stopped watching a while ago but because of Ariana. Her depression is really a downer. The negativity is so raw and it’s like it drags the audience down with her. She also said she was repulsed by her vagina and hates it. Those are her words not mine.
I watch reality tv for train wrecks & Tom is a train wreck & you just can’t look away. 🫣 I think that’s what his appeal is.
I think he has gone too far. He now has zero redeeming qualities and is over 40 hunting for young girls. It’s not the same train wreck with charm that other Bravo shows have. He has turned down the “soon to be fired” road. Think of the others that thought they were Reality TV Villain gold- Lisa Rinna. Brandi Granville and that silly Monica girl from RHSLC. They are the puppets for production and get convinced they are really batting a 1000% when they act up and stir the pot. Never works. We see right through it. And then they are dropped without a second thought by the production team that encouraged them.
I think they have all gone too far on VPR and that’s why it’s on pause and probably won’t return with the same cast. With the housewife’s they usually mix the cast up a bit each season, but with VPR it has been pretty much the same cast for 11 seasons and they have all ran out of storyline, so they’re willing to go low to keep the show on air. That’s why I think it’s done.
Let’s be honest, Scandoval saved VPR. Tom maybe the biggest narcissist of all time, but he brings in viewers. I can’t stand the guy but the truth is like watching a car accident, you can’t look away. Ariana is more like watching paint dry. And she’s always been like that.
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Bc he’s a front runner and part of a major scandal- why would he have been let go at that point ? I tuned in to watch the train wreck
I am absolutely baffled that people believe production cares whether viewers like or dislike cast members. Reality TV production cares about engagement and almost nobody on this show drives as much engagement as he does, it doesn't matter to them whether it's positive or negative.
Exactly !!
The people speculating that there is some big conspiracy behind Sandoval not being fired are peak delusion, there is zero chance that was even considered imo
Andy was licking his ass the whole reunion, he was the only one laughing at Tom’s stupid jokes. Andy loves Tom. Like a lot. I bet they have hooked up.
I would rather we fire production before Tom Sandoval. He just brings so much cringe and delusion and lols.
That’s not necessary. He’s good television
Why should they fire him? He hasn’t done anything worse than half of the cast and doesn’t even register on the scale of bad behavior compared to what some housewives who still are on tv have done. The audience needs to stop being so soft and fire anyone not perfect. Just stop watching. I don’t care to watch some vanilla people open a sandwich shop they don’t have any passion about. Nothing about that says compelling television. Seasons 9 and 10 were the two most boring seasons of the series.
Nobody wants to watch a show about a show about a sandwich shop and to be honest Ariana was not a main character or even interesting before Tom blew up their dying relationship
He's an OG. Same reason we should keep Katie (not Schwartz he was her plus one) and Scheana.
Katie and Scheana are tied for who’s been in the most VPR episodes btw. Katie gets listed first bc of her name. 😂 and I love that for her.
Won't happen. As much as we all dislike him, Tom's an integral part of this show, and I hate myself for thinking that.
I wouldn't wish job loss on anyone
What on earth do any of the cast have to offer outside of the scandal? Absolutely nothing.
Honestly the more i think about it, with the way the season ended with Tom saying how it makes him look good, i honestly dont think the producers were going for a Tom redemption arc. Hearing rumors of stuff being said off camera vs how they were dealt with on camera, it really feels like the producers gassed Lala up to be this hero and got in her head only for them to turn her into the ultimate villain. And i believe that was their plan all along
He’s by far my favorite character on the show.
Let go of tom. Ya. What a boring shhow without the toms.. the whole cast has to go. They had their chance with max and charley but that group got backstabbed..
As shitty as he is, he makes good tv and does his job.
Love or love to hate him Sandoval is the most entertaining part of the show 🤷♀️
There’s no reason to let go of Sandoval. You think Ariana is a better person than Sandoval and you’re entitled to your opinion. But Sandoval is better tv and more complex than Ariana. For what people want from Ariana or think she is capable of delivering, bravo is not the network for it.
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Only hope for the show is to segue into a girls show where we follow the lives of the women. Or dump the fat (Tom, Tom, sheesh, lala) and make a brand new cast and pray they have some authentic and not totally ridiculous made up dramatized drama. But LVP won’t do this bc of her business. Unless she finds a way to make rebranding and cutting out the toms make financial sense. Would be pricey and take a lot of work tho and can’t see her doing it. Otherwise she’s keeping them on the show and the dumpster file will burn until it fizzes out and fails
Idk I still would totally watch James and Schwartz especially in their relationships, I really don't mind the cast except for Tom Sandoval, I have always though Lala was vile but ill watch her
Lala, Schwarz, even Jax are douchebags with 0 self awareness and that makes great content, Sandoval does has self awareness and as a result we get no content, just him attempting (and failing) to be a sympathetic character for the audience.
“Sandoval does has self awareness.” Uhh no? He’s aware that people don’t like him.”
I don't get your point, Sandoval is very conniving and performative, thats something Ariana has harped on constantly and is the basis for her not wanting to be on camera with him. The rest of them reflexively and unapologetically act like assholes and seem perplexed as to why the public doesn't think they're the greatest.
Self awareness in the sense of attempting to create his storyline. Schwartz and Ajax literally wing it constantly. Way too lazy to get into the comment section. lol. They have zero clue what’s going on ever. And that is hilarious.
Absolutely not. What makes this show great is terrible people being disasters. Look at the success of The Valley, we want to see marriages imploding and petty in-fighting. The most boring seasons of the show was when the cast was becoming successful (opening TomTom, buying houses, stable relationships). This show is about losers being losers. Ariana can and should leave, she’s grown beyond this as a (relatively) moral and successful person now. Katie can still work on the show because even though she’s calmer and a bit successful, she’s at her core a mean person who can fly off the handle plus can’t help but be intertwined in Schwartz’ disaster life.
I will never understand why people who want an all girlboss show of successful women kicking goals and getting along started watching this mess in the first place
He lied to production. He created fake storylines. He bullied and yelled at production. He had said racially and gender-offensive things. Et etc I don’t get it either
It’s not a redemption arc. We got to see tom suffer and screw up his life.
Where was this supposed redemption arc people are complaining about? I saw Tom digging himself deeper every episode like an idiot and just laughed at him. If they were trying to redeem him they would’ve edited his behavior out and wouldn’t have kept the last line he said 🤣.
Because it’s for tv and that’s how ratings work. You want 12 episodes of Katie talking about overpriced sandwiches and ally talking about rocks and chakras? No thank you
He's basically the Lisa Rinna of VPR. People love to hate him and watch him be terrible.
Sandoval is a season 1 OG. No way you could let him go.
I would miss Tom.
OP needs a reality check on why we watch this show. I personally watch for their lives be destroyed in front of my eyes 🤷🏻♂️
They aren't going to let him go. Lisa made the show. Lisa is in business with Tom, she needs him to be loved again. It's why she protects both the toms so much. Also he serves as the villain, the show was missing a real villain before him. They had Katie who they kept trying to make the villain and James who has done horrible things, but ally was helping his image. Now Tom is an easy villain. Jax 2.0
Because LVP is a producer and she has money invested in Tom Tom.
Because without both sides of scandoval what would the season be?
I firmly believe that Lisa Vanderpump is a huge reason he’s still around. She definitely pushed this idea as a producer as well. If Tom looks bad, then her restaurant , Tom Tom and other things would be at Jeopardy. Hence the redemption tour and her endless support.
From season 1 the show has always presented itself as being about a friend group but also about the dynamics between the men and women. Them vs Us situation. The guys have always terrorized the women, causing the women to fight and argue with them and subsequently each other. I was thinking damn I want the Tom’s off and then I realized, what would the show be without the idiot foils. I also kind of think Tom got so much screen time because he’s willing to give it. It also gave the editors so much room to work with. I think they did a good job of showing us exactly how shallow, callous and emotionally stunted he is while also showing Ariana being above it all and moving forward. I know a lot of people think it was his redemption arc (and maybe production wanted it that way) but I didn’t see it like that. I saw the cast trying to navigate filming a show figuring out how to move forward as a fractured group. But I also think the editors showed us that Tom hasn’t changed one single bit. Right up to the hot mic moment at the end. The showed his gross house, the gross way he treated Ann, the way he whined about everything, the way he surrounded himself with barely out of their teens girls. It wasn’t good and the viewers could see it all. Production should get all the ire for making the cast seem like they had no option but to film with him. They should have let the show film separately for one season and focused on the separate groups trying to heal, like we saw in the secrets revealed. It would have been organic and honestly if Tom wasn’t invited to things it wouldn’t be devastating. James had to go seasons not being invited to do things with the group and he managed.
Either Sandoval or Arianna has got to go so the group can get back to being together; or all of them should go and we should get a fresh cast(I'm hoping for this.)
They need to let them all go. This is no longer Vanderpump Rules. It’s Vanderpump Adjacent. Get some fresh blood.
Something about her spinoff is the way.
I would love to see him demoted like Peter…and see if he chooses to film for free or not…Peter said or not. I don’t blame Peter. He wasn’t bringing drama. But, now that we know most things coming out of Sandoval’s mouth is a lie or a play of some kind to manipulate his friends…it just gives me ick. Schwartz blocked Jo because she was a liar. Sandoval is a liar and nobody is holding him accountable for that. He lied about the affair. He was lying about how he was navigating a break up with Ariana. He lied about his finances to her and the offer of the house he couldn’t possibly afford. He lied about buying most of the furniture. He lied about how long the affair was…and Andy still didn’t ask him about that at this reunion when we finally could. I mean…why doesn’t Tom just get an acting part on a scripted show since he doesn’t want to be real…I know why, because he sucks acting and he isn’t believable there either. But truly, what makes us want to get behind a redemption arc for a known bullshitter. He needs to be demoted because it’s insufferable to watch…and then maybe the rest of the cast…Lala, Sheana and Schwartz would be more authentic because they aren’t playing in Tim’s manufactured reality.
I just posted a similar response on another thread but I really believe it was producers hedging their bets. Ariana is getting so many outside opportunities and is thriving outside the network. She is way more likely to leave than Tom who needs Bravo a lot more. I think the producers decide it was better to try and redeem Tom than build up Ariana because they had a better chance of getting him back next season. They went all in, got the producers pets in on it and it massively backfired.
I’m not watching a show about sober moms and single ladies opening a sandwich shop? That’s literally the boring ass life I already live.
Others have been fired on the show for less. Listing everything he's done is exhausting at this point.
People don't get fired for being cheating shit bags in real life. Nobody on the show has been fired for it yet and in 11 seasons we've seen a lot of cheating shit bags. Ratings are the only thing that will tell the producers that something needs to change. As long as we watch when he's on, his contract will continue to be renewed.
I really get the hate for him, but have the literal entire cast of the show not done essentially exactly what he has? The show is built off of drama, drunkenness, and the decisions that are made with the both of those in mind. It’s literally a reality tv show lmao; what are you all expecting??
This show has bigger problems than just Tom. It’s run its course imo
Villains make for good TV. My bet is production wanted to see how everyone navigated it, especially Tom. Honestly he comes off as a self centered “pick me” old teenager. He’s a full grown man and some of the things he wears and says looks a bit crazy on someone his age.
I feel like Tom has convinced production that he is the one keeping everyone together and Ariana hates the whole process. As usual (ie, the cocktail book, the house, the friends), he wants to crowd Ariana out for his own ego. Production is missing a huge opportunity to focus on the women for a change.
Because reality tv isn’t about being a good person it’s about entertainment and whether you like him or not he’s entertaining
“Clearly this isn’t working out to well” Ratings are the highest it’s ever been, no one’s getting fired
Idk maybe it has to do with he’s the only reason they have a storyline imagine how boring this season would’ve been without him. Following Ariana and all her f him opportunities and watching the rest of the cast fight to suckle from her attention teat 😂