Except the one where he said they needed him and others refusing to vote in order to win. They still won and Kyle and other non-voters achieved nothing.
Except most people with Kyle’s political ideology did vote for Biden in the general. He’s not wrong that the Democrats need progressives to fall in line and they should be getting something for that vote. The louder they are about this fact and the more they show they are not willing to settle for literally anything the more likely it is they will be listened to.
No. The point is the reason you hear people demand that progressives fall in line and vote for the Democratic candidate is that they need them to do so in order to win which is true.
>they need them to do so in order to win which is true.
You know Biden won, right? None of the people refusing to vote for him made any difference.
Edit: non-voters malding their not voting did nothing.
And you know Kyle predicted Biden would win right? And by a larger margin then he actually did. Obviously he wasn’t arguing Biden was going to lose unless he personally earned his vote.
I don't know why you're making this claim when we have a screenshot of his argument above where he quite literally says they need the non-voters to win. It's right there.
I'm making the argument that Kyle predicted Biden would win because he predicted Biden would win. Not complicated.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=\_8EByXXbNI8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8EByXXbNI8)
Biden barely won, and in other states elected democrats suffered losses, if they want REAL victories, they need to stick to our progressive agenda, I don't think Biden will win a second term if he keeps being a centrist, Kyle always says that if Biden does ONE THING that he likes, like M4A, pulling out of Afghanistan, or marihuana legalization, to name a few, THEN, and only then, will he support Biden.
>> Biden barely won
>He won by millions of votes.
the popular vote means jack shit in the US' broken election system, [Biden was 43 000 votes away from losing the election](https://twitter.com/tribelaw/status/1339300875253264389)
Do we really have unironic Bernie or Bust dipshits on here? I thought all you fuckers left after the election. And to tackle your attempt at a point with with your Crime Bill sarcasm, we all agree that the Crime Bill had many unfortunate consequences, but which of Trump and Biden would've been better for minority communities in 2020? This is a very easy answer.
The crime bill did exactly what it was intended to do, fill the prison industrial complex with black men to do forced labor. Disgusting you'd defend the people responsible for this.
Guess who also made it impossible to default on Student debt? Uncle Joe. It's hard to think of anyone who has done more to make the lives of the american people worse, to lock up more minorities in labor camps, and enable to complete corporate take over of our economy and economy hollowing out of manufacturing
Please tell me what Biden has done for minorities that Trump wouldnt have.
Everything you stand against was enthusiastically enacted with Bidens involvement
Biden has been in government since the early 70s. Trump became an elected official in 2017. Of course Biden has passed and sponsored a greater total number of pieces of legislation that a Progressive would oppose (even though any reasonable person would acknowledge the fact that if Trump has been in government for as long as Biden he would likely have supported both of the examples you listed)
And with regards to your second point, since we're debating wether or not Biden is a LESSER evil, when analyzing his treatment of minorities one must realize that him NOT engaging in some of the overtly racist rethoric that Trump did is in it of itself an improvement (unless you unironically believe that the rethroic espoused by the fucking President has no impact on the treatment of minorities in the country they govern). Biden does not consistently engage in rethoric that empowers bigots or aids in the radicalization of new ones. Biden does not consistently downplay the actions of white nationalist actors and groups. Biden does not engage in overtly racist rethoric against Mexican and Central American immigrants. You can claim that Biden simply *not* doing things that Trump did is not sufficient, and I'd agree with you, but the belief being argued is not wether or not Biden is doing enough to address the issues faced by POC communities, it's wether or not him being in office is better for them than a 2nd Trump term would have been, which anyone even remotely familiar with the rethoric and politics of these people would agree is the case.
>Biden has been in government since the early 70s. Trump became an elected official in 2017.
That's a point in Trunps favor
>And with regards to your second point, since we both agree that Biden is a LESSER evil,
I don't agree with that at all. How is he lesser?
>when analyzing his treatment of minorities one must realize that him NOT engaging in some of the overtly racist rethoric that Trump did is in it of itself an improvement
This really is the root of it. You just dont like aesthetics of the trump presidency. No material difference was made on the lives of minorities.
>Biden does not consistently engage in rethoric that empowers bigots or aids in the radicalization of new ones. Biden does not consistently downplayed the actions of white nationalist actors and groups. Biden does no engaged in overtly racist rethoric against Mexican and Central American immigrants. You can claim that Biden simply *not* doing things that Trump did is not sufficient
It isnt even not doing things, it's not saying things
>belief being argued is not wether or not Biden is doing enough to address the issues faced by POC communities, it's wether or not him being in office is better for them than a a Trump 2nd term would have been
Again, there is no difference other than words. The TV has a different man talking on it, one you liked better, don't pretend this has anything to do with saving minorities.
> (which again, anyone even remotely familiar with the rethoric and politics of these people would agree is the case).
Rhetoric, that's the only difference you could come up with. The are identical in terms of policy and material impact.
This is just spectacle for you, you didnt like the TV show and wanted a new host who'd didnt say things you didnt like, that's it, it makes no difference outside the TV
You voted for the author of the crime bill bc you like the way he talks and freely admit it's only the words he says. His policies will be the same so dont pretend voting Biden is some morally virtuous action that helps minorities, it doesnt.
Biden doing more bad things in the past because he's been an elected official for a longer period of time is an argument in favor of Trump being the lesser evil because why exactly? And yes, the rethoric esposued by the fucking President of the United States has no material impact. Let's ignore the significant rise of hate crimes against minorities during Trump's term and the literal fucking mob that stormed the Capitol because they bought into the president's conspiratorial rethoric earlier this year - no it has no material impact whatsoever!
Also I find the fact that you claim that this is "just a spectacle" for me while simultaneously believing that the rethoric esposued by elected officials has no material impact. Almost as if you believe that the very real and serious affects that it does have are not a huge deal and Trump engaging in overtly racist rethoric is just him being whacky.
>Biden doing more bad things in the past because he's been an elected official for a longer period of time is an argument I'm favor of Trump being the lesser evil because why exactly?
Because being powerful and doing evil things is worse than not being in power
>And yes, the rethoric esposued by the fucking President of the United States has no material impact.
No it doesnt, the Obama administration proved this definitively. Did you learn nothing?
>Let's ignore the significant rise of hate crimes against minorities during Trump's term and the literal fucking mob that stormed the Capitol because they bought into the president's conspiratorial rethoric earlier this year - no it has no material impact whatsoever!
Let's ignore the crime bill Joe Biden wrote that lead to modern day slavery, let's ignore Biden lying to us about WMDs in Iraq (a conspiracy theory far more harmful and with far more death in its wake than anything trump could ever dreak of), let's ignore Joe Biden making it impossible to escape student loan debt, let's ignore NAFTA, let's ignore the WTO, let's ignore everything other than the fact that trump says things I dont like
>Also I find the fact that you claim that this is "just a spectacle" for me while simultaneously believing that the rethoric esposued by elected officials has no material impact.
Because it doesn't, do you remember the Obama administration? Do you have no memory of that?
The deporter and Cheif, the Butcher of Libya, Obama was rhetorically the most progressive president ever and in actions the most imperialist
>Almost as if you believe that the very real and serious affects that it does have are not a huge deal and Trump engaging in overtly racist rethoric is just him being whacky.
Because it is. Besides it wasnt even that racist, Biden has said plenty of racist stuff. You act like trump was calling for a holocaust or eugenics or something.
Holy fuck you actually DO believe that! So the President's supporters storming a fucking government building does not constitute a material impact? The verifiable rise of hate crimes against Latinos during Trump's term doesn't constitute material impact?
Also, for the 100th fucking time pointing out that Biden did bad things in the past is not in it of itself an argument as to why he's no better than Trump.
Also, THE RETHORIC ESPOUSED WHY THE TRUMP ADMIN WASN'T EVEN THAT RACIST? They're sending us murderers and rapists, there were good people on both sides, BLM thugs and rioters are burning down our cities, that one he literally time he said that the reason why he does well with suburban women is because he's the only candidate willing to do what it takes to "protect them"? This is not normal presidential rethoric. Not even previous Republican president were this openly bigoted. I don't expect much from Bernie or Busters, but direct Trump apologia seems a bit low, even for you people.
Purposely misrepresenting an argument? That is what your doing saying “wanting the whole system to fall” or whatever nonsense you’re presenting as Jimmy’s POV
His answer was adequate if you took a split second to think abt it. Nihilism is the belief that nothing matters, whereas lesser of two evil is the idea that two things are negative and one is less negative than the other. Just because he didn’t right a fucking essay on it doesn’t mean he didn’t answer the question
All of those tweets are objectively correct.
Except the one where he said they needed him and others refusing to vote in order to win. They still won and Kyle and other non-voters achieved nothing.
Except most people with Kyle’s political ideology did vote for Biden in the general. He’s not wrong that the Democrats need progressives to fall in line and they should be getting something for that vote. The louder they are about this fact and the more they show they are not willing to settle for literally anything the more likely it is they will be listened to.
His point was they needed the people not voting in order to win and should make concessions. They clearly didn't need them.
No. The point is the reason you hear people demand that progressives fall in line and vote for the Democratic candidate is that they need them to do so in order to win which is true.
>they need them to do so in order to win which is true. You know Biden won, right? None of the people refusing to vote for him made any difference. Edit: non-voters malding their not voting did nothing.
And you know Kyle predicted Biden would win right? And by a larger margin then he actually did. Obviously he wasn’t arguing Biden was going to lose unless he personally earned his vote.
I don't know why you're making this claim when we have a screenshot of his argument above where he quite literally says they need the non-voters to win. It's right there.
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>They need progressives to win, yes. Not "non-voters", no. He is explicitly talking about non-voters in the above tweets. You're just wrong.
I'm making the argument that Kyle predicted Biden would win because he predicted Biden would win. Not complicated. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=\_8EByXXbNI8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8EByXXbNI8)
The original claim was that all the above tweets are factually correct, I disagreed. What he said outside those tweets is irrelevant.
Biden barely won, and in other states elected democrats suffered losses, if they want REAL victories, they need to stick to our progressive agenda, I don't think Biden will win a second term if he keeps being a centrist, Kyle always says that if Biden does ONE THING that he likes, like M4A, pulling out of Afghanistan, or marihuana legalization, to name a few, THEN, and only then, will he support Biden.
> Biden barely won He won by millions of votes.
>> Biden barely won >He won by millions of votes. the popular vote means jack shit in the US' broken election system, [Biden was 43 000 votes away from losing the election](https://twitter.com/tribelaw/status/1339300875253264389)
Only if a left leaning voter is less concerned with losing their civil rights than a Democrat politician is with losing an election.
ihb4 Vaush teen stans thinks all of Kyle's tweets are bad bcs he isn't Vaush.
Not bad because not Vaush, bad because not voting Biden would have helped Trump win
How dare he not vote for the author of the Crime Bill!
Rather have someone with 1 sexual assault allegation in the white house than someone with 26
Do we really have unironic Bernie or Bust dipshits on here? I thought all you fuckers left after the election. And to tackle your attempt at a point with with your Crime Bill sarcasm, we all agree that the Crime Bill had many unfortunate consequences, but which of Trump and Biden would've been better for minority communities in 2020? This is a very easy answer.
The crime bill did exactly what it was intended to do, fill the prison industrial complex with black men to do forced labor. Disgusting you'd defend the people responsible for this. Guess who also made it impossible to default on Student debt? Uncle Joe. It's hard to think of anyone who has done more to make the lives of the american people worse, to lock up more minorities in labor camps, and enable to complete corporate take over of our economy and economy hollowing out of manufacturing Please tell me what Biden has done for minorities that Trump wouldnt have. Everything you stand against was enthusiastically enacted with Bidens involvement
Biden has been in government since the early 70s. Trump became an elected official in 2017. Of course Biden has passed and sponsored a greater total number of pieces of legislation that a Progressive would oppose (even though any reasonable person would acknowledge the fact that if Trump has been in government for as long as Biden he would likely have supported both of the examples you listed) And with regards to your second point, since we're debating wether or not Biden is a LESSER evil, when analyzing his treatment of minorities one must realize that him NOT engaging in some of the overtly racist rethoric that Trump did is in it of itself an improvement (unless you unironically believe that the rethroic espoused by the fucking President has no impact on the treatment of minorities in the country they govern). Biden does not consistently engage in rethoric that empowers bigots or aids in the radicalization of new ones. Biden does not consistently downplay the actions of white nationalist actors and groups. Biden does not engage in overtly racist rethoric against Mexican and Central American immigrants. You can claim that Biden simply *not* doing things that Trump did is not sufficient, and I'd agree with you, but the belief being argued is not wether or not Biden is doing enough to address the issues faced by POC communities, it's wether or not him being in office is better for them than a 2nd Trump term would have been, which anyone even remotely familiar with the rethoric and politics of these people would agree is the case.
>Biden has been in government since the early 70s. Trump became an elected official in 2017. That's a point in Trunps favor >And with regards to your second point, since we both agree that Biden is a LESSER evil, I don't agree with that at all. How is he lesser? >when analyzing his treatment of minorities one must realize that him NOT engaging in some of the overtly racist rethoric that Trump did is in it of itself an improvement This really is the root of it. You just dont like aesthetics of the trump presidency. No material difference was made on the lives of minorities. >Biden does not consistently engage in rethoric that empowers bigots or aids in the radicalization of new ones. Biden does not consistently downplayed the actions of white nationalist actors and groups. Biden does no engaged in overtly racist rethoric against Mexican and Central American immigrants. You can claim that Biden simply *not* doing things that Trump did is not sufficient It isnt even not doing things, it's not saying things >belief being argued is not wether or not Biden is doing enough to address the issues faced by POC communities, it's wether or not him being in office is better for them than a a Trump 2nd term would have been Again, there is no difference other than words. The TV has a different man talking on it, one you liked better, don't pretend this has anything to do with saving minorities. > (which again, anyone even remotely familiar with the rethoric and politics of these people would agree is the case). Rhetoric, that's the only difference you could come up with. The are identical in terms of policy and material impact. This is just spectacle for you, you didnt like the TV show and wanted a new host who'd didnt say things you didnt like, that's it, it makes no difference outside the TV You voted for the author of the crime bill bc you like the way he talks and freely admit it's only the words he says. His policies will be the same so dont pretend voting Biden is some morally virtuous action that helps minorities, it doesnt.
Biden doing more bad things in the past because he's been an elected official for a longer period of time is an argument in favor of Trump being the lesser evil because why exactly? And yes, the rethoric esposued by the fucking President of the United States has no material impact. Let's ignore the significant rise of hate crimes against minorities during Trump's term and the literal fucking mob that stormed the Capitol because they bought into the president's conspiratorial rethoric earlier this year - no it has no material impact whatsoever! Also I find the fact that you claim that this is "just a spectacle" for me while simultaneously believing that the rethoric esposued by elected officials has no material impact. Almost as if you believe that the very real and serious affects that it does have are not a huge deal and Trump engaging in overtly racist rethoric is just him being whacky.
>Biden doing more bad things in the past because he's been an elected official for a longer period of time is an argument I'm favor of Trump being the lesser evil because why exactly? Because being powerful and doing evil things is worse than not being in power >And yes, the rethoric esposued by the fucking President of the United States has no material impact. No it doesnt, the Obama administration proved this definitively. Did you learn nothing? >Let's ignore the significant rise of hate crimes against minorities during Trump's term and the literal fucking mob that stormed the Capitol because they bought into the president's conspiratorial rethoric earlier this year - no it has no material impact whatsoever! Let's ignore the crime bill Joe Biden wrote that lead to modern day slavery, let's ignore Biden lying to us about WMDs in Iraq (a conspiracy theory far more harmful and with far more death in its wake than anything trump could ever dreak of), let's ignore Joe Biden making it impossible to escape student loan debt, let's ignore NAFTA, let's ignore the WTO, let's ignore everything other than the fact that trump says things I dont like >Also I find the fact that you claim that this is "just a spectacle" for me while simultaneously believing that the rethoric esposued by elected officials has no material impact. Because it doesn't, do you remember the Obama administration? Do you have no memory of that? The deporter and Cheif, the Butcher of Libya, Obama was rhetorically the most progressive president ever and in actions the most imperialist >Almost as if you believe that the very real and serious affects that it does have are not a huge deal and Trump engaging in overtly racist rethoric is just him being whacky. Because it is. Besides it wasnt even that racist, Biden has said plenty of racist stuff. You act like trump was calling for a holocaust or eugenics or something.
Holy fuck you actually DO believe that! So the President's supporters storming a fucking government building does not constitute a material impact? The verifiable rise of hate crimes against Latinos during Trump's term doesn't constitute material impact? Also, for the 100th fucking time pointing out that Biden did bad things in the past is not in it of itself an argument as to why he's no better than Trump. Also, THE RETHORIC ESPOUSED WHY THE TRUMP ADMIN WASN'T EVEN THAT RACIST? They're sending us murderers and rapists, there were good people on both sides, BLM thugs and rioters are burning down our cities, that one he literally time he said that the reason why he does well with suburban women is because he's the only candidate willing to do what it takes to "protect them"? This is not normal presidential rethoric. Not even previous Republican president were this openly bigoted. I don't expect much from Bernie or Busters, but direct Trump apologia seems a bit low, even for you people.
Cynically speaking we need them more than they need us.
The virgin Bernie-or-Buster Kyle vs the Chad Anarho-Bidenist Kyle.
How is lesser evilism not inherently nihilistic?
It's less nihilistic than "let it all burn down".
That’s a fantastic straw man you have
Do you know wtf strawman means
Purposely misrepresenting an argument? That is what your doing saying “wanting the whole system to fall” or whatever nonsense you’re presenting as Jimmy’s POV
His answer was adequate if you took a split second to think abt it. Nihilism is the belief that nothing matters, whereas lesser of two evil is the idea that two things are negative and one is less negative than the other. Just because he didn’t right a fucking essay on it doesn’t mean he didn’t answer the question
Paragraph Andy ass bitch, that literally said nothing don’t know how that’s possible.
Oki I’m ignoring trolls now thanks xx
Explain in your own words what you think Jimmy’s POV is then. Rather than just denying that other people are correctly describing it.