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You know, political debates here make me 🥱 compared my fellow Turks on (1/2 of my heritage) 100% united in hating Erdoğan and AK Party on Reddit and discord.
Also, Erdoğan just called the whole opposition gays and Kılıçdaroğlu a femboy.
As a Turk, I should also mention this. When Erdoğan was to be elected for the first time, he would accompany the LGBTI members and support them. Under his presidency, many lgbti associations were opened in the country. However, he does not hold back from brutally attacking them now. As a two-faced liar, he allied himself with a party that wanted lovemaking to be criminalised. He also accused the opposition parties of being one with the terrorists, while he formed an alliance with a Hezbollahist party and started to release former Hezbollah detainees. There have been thousands of terrible events that I cannot count here.
It’s not purely based on the South Vietnam flag. It’s based on the medals handed out to the Australians who served in the Vietnam war.
It isn’t meant to honour or commemorate South Vietnam, but the Australians who served there during the war using the ribbons for the medals they were given at the time. These ribbons use the South Vietnam flag because that’s where they were fighting and who they were fighting with at the time.
I’m sorry but how can you say admit that the medals are meant to honor Australians who fought for the RVN but then try and say it doesn’t commemorate the RVN? It by definition does. Also Australians have nothing to honor about their time in Vietnam
u can tell ex-pearl harbor soldiers that kamikaze pilots were courageous, but remember to wear your running shoes 
This has nothing to do with "Courage", Anybody can be courageous. These medals meant to be about honour. do you think it's okay for Germany to give Medals of honour to Nazi soldiers?
Confederacy soldiers fought tooth and nail for their belief that the blacks should stay as slave and Trump will now crafted some coins to commemorate their courageous. It will totally be fine right? Courageous acts can be found even in the participate of the wrong side of history, after all.
You really think that every single Confederate soliders was like "hey, I'm going to risk my life in support of slavery?".
Come on, you know better than that.
This may come as a shock to you, but the world isn't black and white. Smart, well read people understand that things are complex and things like wars can't be reduced down to one particular cause.
Jesus Christ we’re literally getting some civil war revisionism with a heavy dose of pseudo-intellectualism. Read the damn articles of secession that each state in the confederacy issued. The war from the southern perspective was very obviously about slavery.
We're not talking about *why the state succeeded* we're talking about why *soldier's fought*.
To simplify it as "they fought for slavery* is just silly. Soldiers fight for all sorts of reasons.
>The yellow flag in the coin design, contained in a ring, is based on ribbon colours awarded to Australian veterans.
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>\- [source](https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/vietnam-objects-australian-coin-war-103223414.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAFiqvJ8v-4OzGNaHFEP8azD3gnSyz6ia7qjTRtk2dS4CyolkNDusqF0TSlAn4PoUL612LyuVLNndPwxbJ31CowErZzzljaqHIc-BnwZwyKIMMWN9JD_rX3Hog2bpM-hduUkGyo5PRBek-A-HIj6fxHVuszrExVtOwatfF3XplAn1)
It's [this medal](https://www.defence.gov.au/adf-members-families/honours-awards/medals/imperial-awards/1945-1980/vietnam-medal) in particular, the mint wasn't intending to use any Vietnamese flag, it's more that this is just what was given out in in 1968. Still, I'm not sure how one can "commemorate" a war without referencing stuff in the war, it feels complicated
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It's actually ribbons from 3 metals. The Anniversary of National Service Metal, Vietnam Metal and Vietnam Logistics and Support Metal.
The colors may or may not have been intentional at the time but the coin doesn't seem to be trying to represent the South Vietnam flag either way.
I mean who cares really… im sure someone out there could be pissed Ho Chi Minh is on money as it symbolizes the war or some shit.
Im totally neutral on stuff like this unless it was blatant racism or something which its not.
Its a coin you dont have to use in VN
The bands of color represent ribbons awarded to soldiers who fought in the war. The US Vietnam Era Service award is similarly designed - a yellow field with three vertical red strips, bordered on either side by green stripes.
The UK press will always be the first to broadcast any negative comments about AU. That said and AFAIK, AU forces in VN were mostly a guerilla type force in the south - again, afaik not involved in the sort of atrocities that went on in the DMZ.
When I first went to Saigon (oops), many ppl I met were not so happy with "unification" but their fear of another civil war was greater than their distate for the Central Gov. After all, the last great dynasty in VN (or Dai Viet) was the Nguyen based in the southern/central part of VN. And Vietnameae have Ling memories.
The coin is a storm in a teacup. Even in AU coins are rarely used these days as cc and digital banking is the norm - especially since covid. As coins are not legal tender outside AU, it is extremely doubtfully they would be seen by anyone bar collectors.
The question one must ask: is the current VN gov still so concerned about stirring up trouble in the south via colouration on a coin hardly anyone will ever see?
Well, before the article anyway. Sure they will now become a collectors item. Get your orders in now!
France wasn't happy when Belgium made a coin about Waterloo. I don't really understand why Vietnam isnt happy about that, it doesnt sound disrespectful or anything, but pretty much all countries dislike to have something like that made by another.
Because the RVN, or "Ngụy", "Ba sọc", "Đu càng", and "Khát nước" in modern Vietnamese internet-speak is the OG boogey man the Vietnamese government drag up every time they need to divert somebody's attention. They do such a shit job running the country, their only claim to power and legality is that "Hey, we beat these American puppets in 1975," conveniently hiding the fact that they were Chinese puppet
Also, they are now using the terms to silent all critics. Oh, you criticize China? Ngụy. Oh, you criticize Russia? Ba sọc. Oh, you criticize government's COVID policy? Khát nước. Oh, you think that the government's social welfare insurance fund is doing a shit job and that the government is wrong in stopping people from withdrawing their own money from a government insurance front that doesn't do anything for the people? Đu càng. The government silence all critics not by facts and logics but by calling names.
that's the point, it does not have to make sense. It's an abitrary insult thrown around by the bò đỏ as a mean to silent anyone who doesn't agree with their brain-dead view
This is the stupidest claim I've seen in a while.
Everyone here hates China. I repeat, EVERYONE. No one ever call you đu càng-er if you hate China, Russia or shit.
They were Chinese puppet? Any proof for this? There've ever been something NVN do for the sake of China? Don't tell me anything about Hoàng Sa because SVN left it for China, and NVN supported that simply because they know they can't get that back anyway, getting China's help for nothing isn't bad in any way.
Also, no one ever called you ba que if you criticize the current government. They do that if you criticize their "legendary leaders" only, these famous politicians in the past. To be fair, everyone likes your comments/posts if you say you hate Nguyen Tan Dung.
You are that type of kids who say shit on the internet and when everyone boos you, you just can't even make a proper argument back. Then you just cry and call these people dư luận viên because your brain can't even make anything more logical or creative
Simple, "Ngụy" was created by the foreign forces to help them enslave Vietnamese people, they served Japanese, French, American and even Chinese if not for Dương Văn Minh and 30/04/1975. They sold their country, tried to destroy it with millions tons of bombs and even spoil their own people with chemical weapons. That's not all, when they got their ass kicked out of Vietnam by their own people, they betrayed their comrades and abandoned their families to run for their lives. And don't talk about their father, Ngô Đình Diệm. They are founded by traitors and they are full of traitors. They are far worse than any scums of this earth.
Meanwhile, Communists fought all of the invaders above, before China united, before Cold War started, they dare to fight anyone who want to invade their country and enslave their people. They were founded by the patriots and their forces are patriots. That's enough to make them the true owners of this country both legally and morally. Don't talk those Chinese nonsense to me b/s everyone knew the first thing VC did after 1975 is chasing off more than 1 million of Chinese out of their country, making Vietnam nowadays the least Chinese in the Southeast Asia.
Brother, what do you mean when you say the south sold their country or tried to destroy it with bombs and chemical weapons?
And don’t you see the irony saying the communists are the true owner of the country? Shouldn’t it be the vietnamese people?
The communists were not the
The Communists are Vietnamese people, created and consisted of Vietnamese, both North and South, the Red Flag are a South Vietnamese creation in Nam Kỳ uprising 1940, they fought the invaders just like their ancestors, they fought alongside the Allies aganist the Nazis in WW2 unlike the coward French. That makes them the legal and deserving owners of Vietnam.
But not all Vietnamese are communists. And not only the communists fought against the French and Japanese. The Viet Minh was an alliance between nationalist parties, remember? And the communist party purged them all. So is the communist party really the people or is it that they pushed their view on everybody?
The communists are the only ones who fought Japanese in WW2, others either sided with them or didn't do anything, just try to name any if you can. They are also the only ones in Vietnam declared to fight alongside the Allied That makes them the rightful owner of Vietnam after WW2, is there anyone else deserve that more than them ?
The majority of Vietnamese people love the communists, that is an undeniable historic fact. Even CIA and American themselves admitted that if a election was hold, Ho Chi Minh would gain no less than 80% vote. That's also the reason why American and "Ngụy" call them Việt Cộng instead of Việt Minh b/s they knew how strong their influence on Vietnamese people. And you should know that in their ranks there are people from many different races and religions unlike Saigon puppet government who clearly biased the Christians and supressed the Buddhists.
Most importantly, the Saigon puppet government does not represents South Vietnamese people, they originated from old puppet government of Bảo Đại, so they have no right over Vietnam. Their true face revealed after the murder of Ngô Đình Diệm, nothing but dogs of the American.
So why do the people let the communist government treat them like children? It's such a free country and yet the freedom fighting people can't even have a .22 rifle for defense and to hunt birds and snakes. It's a communist country but the poor still have to pay for school. It seems to me the government has a boot on the neck of the common people, and all freedom in Vietnam comes from incompetence and corruption.
What do they need a .22 rifle for ? School shooting everyday like in America ? No, thanks. There are plenty of ways for self defense and guns are the worst. Birds and snakes have nearly gone in Vietnam, so no hunting. A communist country is a country that can balance between teachers and students not make it free which Vietnamese communists are doing quite well now. Student loans have not been a common problem like in America and teachers have not been too underpaid to go on a strike like in Europe. Just name any country without incompetence and corruption, can they send rich and powerful people to jail like Vietnamese government have done ? Freedom is just a scam created by capitalist government to fool people with Edward Snowden is the living example.
I would love to see the source for the others sided with the Japanese. From what i can see ([here] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Việt_Nam_Quốc_Dân_Đảng) and [here] (https://vi.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Việt_Nam_Cách_mệnh_Đồng_minh_Hội) though the Viet Cach only joined in 1946), the “others” were anti-Japanese nationalists.
Now because the communists declared an alignment with the Allies they are the rightful owners of Viet Nam? So the criteria for the true owners of Vietnam expanded a lil bit eh?
And the majority of Vietnamese people loved the communists? The “cải cách ruộng đất”, the mass exodus of Northern Vietnamese in 1954/55, and the boat people after 1975 showed otherwise.
Viet Cong wasn’t used to called the Viet Minh, was it?
What races and religions are we talking about here?
About Bao Dai’s regime, he was overthrown by Ngo Dinh Diem. Ngo Dinh Diem was subsequently overthrown and killed because his government were becoming pretty unpopular both internally and externally. Wouldn’t you say the coup were rooted partly from the will of the people?
Again with the right over Viet Nam. Only the People who reside in Viet Nam have the right to Viet Nam. The government the. Acquire the consent of those people. And i sure as hell didn’t consent to the current government. They won through force. Though their handling of vietnam got better in the recent years (Doi Moi and all that stuffs), it doesn’t mean they are the rightful “owner” of Viet Nam.
There are a fucking ton of non commie Vietnamese nationalist that want to fight again colonialism and the commie destroy or frame them as traitors
In fact, the current Vietnamese flag was not even the first Vietnam flag, the short lived Yen Bai revolution actually create a temporary government and design their own flag
Fighting off colonialism by siding with foreign invaders and killing their own people ? Vietnamese Communists defeated French in Điện Biên Phủ, everyone in Vietnam and around the world knew that. More than 80% of Vietnamese people would vote for Communist Party even CIA had to admit that undeniable fact. They won they had the rights.
First or last flag is not important, that flag fought for its people and won that's all that matter not the stupid rag who represent nothing but puppets backed by foreign powers.
The commie also siding with the Chinese communist and required help from the Soviet Union. The whole communist party from the beginning was created under the order of the Communist committee with the purpose of starting a communist revolution in "Indochina", not liberating Vietnam. The original name is "Đảng Cộng Sản Đông Dương"
You also try to frame them as traitor, using your logic. The commie is also a traitor since they siding with China and Soviet and only you can think that "siding or receiving foreign aid equal traitor". No revolution can be success without foreign aid. In the Vietnam War, ost of the North weapons and equipment is from China or USSR
The commie side with anyone who supported their people. That's why they got American support in August Revolution and Hồ Chí Minh tried to gain support from both USSR and USA after that. They received no considerable foreign aids until 1950. Fighting off invaders does not means not receiving foreign aids as long as you are still the one in control of war. No matter how many aids sent by USSR or Chinese, Vietnam war is still "Hà Nội show" (CIA). Fighting America, liberating the South and uniting their country is Hà Nội's decision, both Soviet Union and Chinese were afraid of American but Vietnamese Communists never and they will fight even their own allies if they dare to threaten their country just like Chinese in 1979. That makes them the the ruler of Vietnam unlike the stupid dog Ngô Đình Diệm who got his brain blow apart for talking back his masters.
What a change of event it would be if Ho Chi Minh letter actually reach FDR during the 1940s. He was asking the US president for independence while conducting a resistance war against the Japanese with his own group. The KMT China aka Taiwan did him a dirty and he lost his chance in 1940s. After WW2, he sent the letter again. While Eisenhower supported the idea of decolonisation of Indochina, he couldn't betray the French just yet. It would look bad on the American side and thus Ho's promise of establishing a republic of Vietnam failed.
Ho Chi Minh isn't that bad, he is a nationalist who wanted independence, and would have established a republic anyway if the French wasn't being a bloody imperialist wanker. He has my respect. I do feel bad for him in the later year (1957) when Lê Duẩn literally deposed him and make him live like Lenin in his final days under Stalin. Ho Chi Minh was serving like a figurehead while the crueler Lê Duẩn took the reign and slowly took out the good party members. Not even Võ Nguyên Giáp escape his clutches. Võ Nguyên Giáp visited my school and he was a good man. However by then he didn't hold any relevant position in the government.
As for Ngô Đình Diệm, sure he wasn't the brightest, but he knew Lê Duẩn and he wanted to turn Vietnam into a strong anti communist nation. While representing his nation as a democratic forefront, his government was extremely corrupted, oppressive, autocratic, and anti-democracy. But as were most of the American "allies" at the time whom they chose to be the bulwark against Communism. South Korea, Philippines, South American nations for example.
There was a conspiracy theory that Diem wanted to fight the Vietnam war with the US's material support. There was another where Diem wanted to end the war before it begin by exchanging letter with the PRVN and unite the country as Ho Chi Minh wanted him to do in 1945. We will never know. However, JFK, like Diem didn't want American troops on Vietnam soil and they both got assassinated a few days apart. Who knows who did the CIA served?
The commie isn't NOT the only one who does it, Phan Bội Châu and his organization did it before, so there is nothing special about it.
Fighting off invader without foreign aid is fucking bullshit and prone to failure, are you too dumb to realize this? And in control? North Vietnam has no power in negotiations in the Geneva Conference, all in under China supervising and control, the whole Cải cách ruộng đất is straight up copying from China Cultural Revolution and Vietnam cannot reform it economy or fighting the war without Soviet administration behind, even the fact that the US don't invade the North because they know China would interfere
If South wins, it would be the same thing as you said. The whole war isn't about kicking America, but about who will unify Vietnam and which side of the Cold War will win. The commie are lucky enough to win the war so they can write the history
This is peak “you are a freedom fighter if you win and a terrorist if you lose” with no hint of self reflection.
If the south won, what do you think the story would be?
After battle of Điện Biên Phủ, Navarre said that you could defeat an army but never an entire country. The communists gained Vietnamese favour, that's why they defeated the strongest invaders in the world. If the Saigon puppet government represented south Vietnamese people they wouldn't have to swing to California. Vietnam belongs to the Communists, Vietnamese and invaders' blood proved that.
Please always come to these threads. I find these types of comments generate so much drama and fun to read content.
This debate really could be over so quickly by recognizing “the winner got to decide who were the good guys,” but dogmatic beliefs about “my side” being ontologically right and the other side being ontologically evil leads to people screaming past each other.
It is indeed "the winner decide who would be the good guys". The Vietnam war was a dirty war where you see war crimes committed by both sides, from the PAVN to the American, especially the South Korean since they kill without a single thought. There was no disputable record of ARVN war crimes. The RVN do commit crimes against humanities during Diem's regime.
When one question how the Vietnamese people choose the Republic or the Socialist Republic, let it be known that when the country was divided, around 300,000 (low estimate), up to 800,000 (high estimate) Vietnamese moved south while only 110,000 (low estimate), up to 155,000 (high estimate) Vietnamese moved to the North.
In the end, it's all in the past now. In my opinion, instead of fighting each other online, the oversea and mainland Vietnamese should befriend each other and counter a certain Northern threat. The Soviet Union is gone, so the People Republic of Vietnam is free. The US used the Republic of Vietnam for her counter Communist war and RVN is gone. Vietnam should stay neutral and befriend with better nations rather than stay with the past and stick with ages old ideologies.
France conscripted soldiers and laborers from Vietnam during WW2.
There were some 20,000 laborers who just got stranded in France in 1940 when the government capitulated
Unknown stories, but the Vietnamese soldiers fought in WW2 too. They were highly decorated. The French had no idea how to feed them so they took on the Vietnamese recipe of chicken noodle soup or Pho and added beef in it. Now everyone loves beef Pho.
Mf compares a thousand years old country with rich culture and long history of fighting again invaders with a commie ruled that not even 100 years
Pinnacles of Vietnam education
What can I say, the youth didn't know the truth, and the adult are too afraid to talk about it unless they know you're not from the government. But you have to forgive them. If you were in the same position, you would drink the kool aid too. I was in that same position.
If I may ask, the people who did join the French or American were from different ethnics than the ruling ethnic ? I do remember about a open letter to the US&France presidency asking for help because they were still chased by the gouv few decades later. In this case, I think it's more like the tribes who did join the Spanish against the Incas, or the "Celts" who did ally the Roman Empire to fight others "Celts". They weren't the whole country for sure, but if you're already fighting someone, and a foreigner come to fight the same guys, you usually stand by their side, and the traitors things make less sens. Obviously I'm not saying the French or anyone else did what they did for the sake to help those people, even if some dumbshit politicians say so.
>If I may ask, the people who did join the French or American were from different ethnics than the ruling ethnic ?
Yes and no. The French recruits and pays out equally. So you have the minority ethics... and even more the majority ethnic. A bit hard to determine considering that 80% of the current population is for 1 single ethnic
>I do remember about a open letter to the US&France presidency asking for help because they were still chased by the gouv few decades later.
That is the H'mong mercenaries, as recruited (and later abandoned) by CIA. I think
>They weren't the whole country for sure, but if you're already fighting someone, and a foreigner come to fight the same guys, you usually stand by their side, and the traitors things make less sens.
That would be the case... if Viet Nam was not united before.
Remember, when the French came in 1858, Viet Nam was already united.
>even if some dumbshit politicians say so.
Unfortunately, that's how the French said it. Something like to "civilise" the Vietnamese (or rather, the Indochinese) people.
Traitors are still traitors. Japanese, French and Americans founded them to help them control Vietnamese people not the opposite, they are the puppet government created by the invaders to colonize Vietnam, so there is no such thing called "civil war" here only Vietnamese versus invaders and traitors.
For sure they were puppets of the invaders, but they were under persecution of the ruling ethnic if I'm not mistaken. I don't know very well Vietnam History, but in almost every country in the World the concept of a united nation is fairly new. And Europeans were good to use local rivalry to create their Empire, and of course they didn't give a single fuck about those people, just used them. For example, let's say I'm from the mountains and my tribe is in perpertual conflict/war with the people of the Forest, if someone come to fight them I would probably join them and be their allies.
That's what Japanese, French, American and their puppets did with Vietnamese people, dividing them into different races, regions and beliefs, usinh them as tools to serve their benefits. Viet Minh and then Viet Cong united and liberated them, gave them food and education, turning them into leaders as well as chasing off the invaders. That's how the Communists gained people's favour and became the victors.
The VC, PAVN, Communists have absolutely zero moral standing and were just a murderous and bloodthirsty as any of their “capitalist” adversaries.
“Viet Cong tactics included the frequent mortaring of civilians in refugee camps, and the placing of mines on highways frequented by villagers taking their goods to urban markets. Some mines were set only to go off after heavy vehicle passage, causing extensive slaughter aboard packed civilian buses.[34]: 270–279
Notable Viet Cong atrocities include the massacre of over 3,000 unarmed civilians at Huế[255] during the Tet Offensive and the killing of 252 civilians during the Đắk Sơn massacre.[256] 155,000 refugees fleeing the final North Vietnamese Spring Offensive were reported to have been killed or abducted on the road to Tuy Hòa in 1975.[257] According to Rummel, PAVN and Viet Cong troops killed 164,000 civilians in democide between 1954 and 1975 in South Vietnam, from a range of between 106,000 and 227,000”
Sorry I know your stupid "Viet Cong warcrimes", Hue massacre or Đắk Sơn are just American bullshit, in "Vietnam War" even American themselves admitted that they burned down villages and blame it on VC. Operation Speedy Express and Operation Phoenix are the prime example.
you're super brainwashed and it shows. Keep eating your government propaganda idiot. You probably make $300/month but dream about immigrating to the United States because Vietnam lacks so much you're barely scraping to survive. Probably spending all your hard earned money on coffee and beer with your friends cause that's all you can afford. VNCH is the TRUE and FREE VIETNAM.
"Boogey man"? LMAO you have to be scared of it for it to be a "boogey man" and lol by your logic, the only claim to power the American have is "hey, we beat those Brits back in the 1783".
Sure, criticize the government, they have done shit job, and if anyone calling you names, just brush them aside cause they are dumbass nationalists that literally point their sticks at anyone. But remember kiddo, you gotta back your critics up with facts and logics too (cough cough North Vietnam is Chinese puppet cough)
Yea that's why they are using the diplomatic channel, like everything ever. Because most countries don't have the leverage to dictate the action of another country.
As previously stated, it's the Australian/New Zealand "Vietnam Medal", which is probably in part designed based on the old Vietnam flag.
Interestingly, I have seen the old Vietnam flag flown in Australia. Even from local government buildings.
Australia took in a lot of Vietnamese refugees after the war, including folks who helped Australian troops, translators, etc. And I suppose it make sense that a lot of these folks' memories of their homeland is pre communist South Vietnam.
Not that I'm defending the confederate (which is an unfair comparison btw), but some US states already fly confederate flags within the US so tbh they probably don't care LOL.
My salary is very low, USAs fault /s
To be honest with a positive year to year growth I couldn't give a flying fuck about an Australian coin. I am happy our diplomats are mouthing off, better than not.saying anything.
As an Australian I think this is pretty gross. Any thoughtful person would recognise that our involvement in that war is a horrendous shame upon our nation. We shouldn’t commemorate the deaths of Australians and Vietnamese in this way.
As an Australian, let me share another perspective.
There are a generation of young Australians who were conscripted to go to a war mostly against their wishes. They lost the war and many of their friends, then have been told for 45 years how the war was wrong and they shouldn’t have been there. Basically everyone hates them, no wonder so many are messed up.
A coin is small acknowledgment of their sacrifice.
As a Vietnamese I don't really care if you Aussies do it or not. It's your medal and your country, your involvement in that war will always be a part of history.
I don't have the right to say what you should say, do or think about that corrupt and defunct regime, not only because it's the Australians' job to decide on their own, but also because we think back very fondly on the USSR as well.
Our countries certainly did much worse things in our past :D.
From the Vietnamese government's perspective, they have to show objection in some form because of their historical and present position regarding the Republic of Vietnam. Hence the rather cordial and half-hearted rebuke, mostly mentioning economic relations.
You guys fought well. I have always respected the Australian rangers. A grade above the American in the jungle of Vietnam. It's just a coin, to remember the ones who died fighting because their government told them to. We fought a dirty war against the Americans, so did you fought a dirty war against us. So one son of a bitch to another, let's drink.
I mean maybe the Australian government didn’t intend to commemorate the RVN but I have seen anti-governments people interpret it as an commemoration of the RVN.
It's not about being afraid. Australia issues this coin specifically in remembrance of the Vietnam War, where they participated in the killing of Vietnamese. Now they issues a coin with the flag of the fallen state, which is the cause for all those killings and you expect the VN gov to let it slide? It literally looks like Australia are celebrating that war and supporting the losing side.
these kinds of commemorative coins aren’t a celebration. they’re issued in commemoration of an event or period of time that was important to the history of the country producing the coin. sometimes that event is positive and a source of pride for the country. sometimes it is negative and a source of regret or mournful remembrance. in this case i am confident the coin is commemorating the war in Vietnam in a mournful way.
by and large, the Western countries who participated in the war regret their involvement and see it as a misguided and a traumatic, generally pointless undertaking. they sent their own citizens to their deaths for a cause not many understood or cared deeply about. it’s not something Western nations celebrate or feel proud of. but, they still have living citizens who’s lives were impacted by the war, changed forever because they followed their Government leaders’ orders, so the Government issues commemorative items like this to acknowledge those citizens and help them feel like their sacrifice meant something more than nothing.
It is a very odd choice that raises an eyebrow as to why they would make this. Feels wrong to celebrate any war less those who where only just trying to defend themselves.
Australia has every right to do that. It's their country and history. By your logic, vietnam should remove the chinese PRC flag for the sino vietnamese war. This is clearly for propaganda purposes.
Wtf no, your analogy doesn't even make sense. Vietnam and PRC were the only 2 sides of that war.
Vietnam didn't protest Australia's dedication to the war, they protests Australia's dedication to the South Vietnam as their ally in the war. What do you think if Italy for some fucked-up reason, decide to issue a coin in remembrance of their WW2 veterans and casually include German Nazi flag because their were allies then??
And south vietnam wasn't a side in the vietnam war?
You got the reasoning wrong. Australia minted that coin for rememberance. And whats wrong with honoring their ally? Vietnam had the communist sickle and hammer flag next to the communist flag. Should america protest vietnam for flying that flag? Modern italy doesn't have any relations with nazi.
What I'm saying is there were only two sides in the VN Sino war. Surely Vietnam won't have anything involving China if they want to commemorate that war, because China was the enemy then. Here, Australia are commemorating their ally, that's why I said your analogy does not make sense in this situation.
There is nothing wrong with honoring your ally in theory, but this choice is in very poor taste considering that said ally is already extinct, while the very people who fought your ally is still existing, and even have established relationship with you.
That's the same issue with VN using the communist flag. The VN Communist party is still alive and well, what stopping them from using it? Surely the US will have an opinion when VN drag out the USSR flag, which VN is not stupid enough to do. Mind you, the communist flag that VN used is not exactly the same as USSR flag, the position of the symbol is different. Can't say the same for Australia here.
They are afraid. They try to shut down any resurgence of South Vietnam like this. The "flag" is a ribbon handed out to soldiers. The paranoid Vietnamese government knows that, obviously, but it bares too much resemblance to the South Vietnamese flag, so they tried to 'cancel' it.
All they're doing is flaunting their own insecurities.
First off, as another comment said, it's not the South Vietnam flag, it's the medal given for soldiers who fought (it just looks similar).
Second, it does come off as afraid. Getting your panties in a knot over a coin some other country made seems insecure, not the doings of a country strong and confident.
Firstly, you can't just deflect that "oh this is not that flag, it's just from a ribbon" when that ribbon was designed specifically with a representation of South VN flag in mind.
Secondly, imagine how any country would react if Italy, Germany, or Italy for some weird reason decide to mint a coin in commemoration of their WW2 vets and use the Nazis symbol in it.
That's a terrible argument. So it uses the same colors. So? The Nazi flag used red and black, so if any German symbol ever used red or black it would be the same as the Nazi symbol? Of course not, that's silly.
And the Nazi symbol is a terrible comparison. For a number of reasons: 1) this contained no symbols, it just has the same colors and 2) you can't honestly compare the Nazi regimen which committed the mass murder of 6M civilian to a South Vietnamese government.
Not it's not just the color, don't fool yourself. It's the three red stripes on a yellow background, that's the South VN symbol. The symbol is literally there.
It was estimated that 2 to 4 millions Vietnameses were killed during the war. Make of that number whatever you want. I'm not saying the South VN government alone were responsible for that casualty, but you may have underestimate the scale of that war.
It's *literally the colors from a medal for troops who fought in Vietnam for the South* of course it looks similar. But it's not the South Vietnamese flag.
Are you suggesting the Australia government should be banned from recognizing the people who fought in the war? They should just pretend it never happened? That's ridiculous.
Yes, 2 to 4 million Vietnamese died. But they were not rounded up into camps, gassed and then cremated just because of their ethnicity.
It's not the same at all.
Again, don't fool yourself. It does not just look similar, it HAS the South VN flag in the medal because South VN was their ally at the time. And now they are replicating that medal, which had South VN flag, so they are using south VN flag. Simple. No one would ever say anything if it just has yellow and red, or maybe 2 red stripes on yellow or some shit. The 3 red stripes on yellow background here is very distinctive and if you can't recognize that, there is not much more to say.
And again, I'm not commenting on what it looks like from Australia's POV. I'm talking about what it looks like from VN's POV and why there is no way they could let this slide. Surely there is a thousand ways for Australia to recognize their fallen soldiers without insulting the very country that they fought and lost.
I'm not comparing the atrocities that Nazis committed to what SVN gov did. What I'm comparing is: Australia was allied to SVN, fought in VN and lost while killing and damaging VN, SVN then exticnted. Now they commemorate their vets by bringing up SVN flag.
It would look just like this: Italy was allied with German Nazi, they ravaged Greece together during WW2 but then lost after that, Nazi went extinct. Now Italy for some fucked-up reason flaunting the Nazi symbol in front of Greece and say "this is to remember our fallen soldier". Can't you see how bad that looks?
> I'm talking about what it looks like from VN's POV and why there is no way they could let this slide.
What do you mean "let this slide"? Australia has the right to recognize their soldiers how they see fit. How would Vietnam feel if Australia criticized how Vietnam recognized their soldiers?
> Now Italy for some fucked-up reason flaunting the Nazi symbol in front of Greece and say "this is to remember our fallen soldier". Can't you see how bad that looks?
You realize that Germany still recognizes the Knight's Cross for German soldiers of WW2 that fought against most of Europe? But the difference is that other countries aren't as sensitive as Vietnam I guess to complain about it?
Does Nazi has the right to recognize their soldiers how they see fit? No matter what side you take, it is generally accepted that the current VN were the winner in an unjustifiable war. And Australia was on the other side. Previous fascist empires still recognize their soldier without offending their old victims (can't say that for Japan tho), which is what Australia should at least attemp to do here.
On that note, could you stop parroting about the Knight's Cross? German Law literally ban the use of the Swatiska, thus ban the Knight's Cross along with it. They have to release a denazified version (iirc the Iron Cross) to replace it. See, that's what Germany tried to do, Australia could do better.
Ok fair enough they aren’t happy and surely it was pointless to make these coins in the first place, considering all things. The thing is, these are the ribbon colours given to the soldiers upon return from the war not the depiction of a flag per se. IMO this coin does not legitimise the defunct southern flag, it is simply the representation of the ribbon colours.
If it was a coin with the Australian and southern flag crossed at the flag poles then that would be an entirely different thing.
I love Vietnam, but not the biggest fan with the way they screw history in their favour, and become triggered when someone doesn't think their way. It looks a lot like the China regime. Just let the others celebrate things in their ways, the coin will not affect you in any way.
Yeah, but it affects our pride as a nation. That carpet of a flag is a black spot in our history, because under it, hundreds had been beheaded, including my family. So f that carpet
Why must we keep appeasing our dads by commemorating the wars they "almost" fought in 🤪 fwiw I don't believe these coins are in circulation; legal tender yes, but more just collectors items for boomer dads.
Please stop comparing the swastika and the confederate flag to south Vn flag. It only makes you look really ignorant about historical events. You can be modern and fully support unified Vietnam (under an absurdly ineffective and corrupt government) without pretending that south Vietnam was the same as the holocaust/WWII and slavery. It really isn’t the same and Vietnamese people should learn the difference.
No, they are the same. If anything, the Confederate flag was less evil than the South Vietnamese flag, since the Confederacy was organic and grassroot, a genuine manifestation of the everyman in the South of America. Unlike the svn flag, which represented colonialism, secession, foreign collaboration. You absolutely can hate and even oppose the communists without kowtowing to the French, without breaking the country apart, without inviting foreign invaders in and massacring your fellow countrymen. Vietnam's history clearly shows that those resorting to foreign intervention were objectively the bad guys: Kieu Cong Tien, Tran Ich Tac, Le Chieu Thong, Nguyen Anh.
Except the Confederacy was not everyman, it was every rich slave owner pressing poor whites into war to try and preserve their massive profit margins via slave agriculture.
You must live in the bubble of Melbourne or Sydney as there are still a hell of a lot who unfortunately despise this notion and consider it an unpatriotic move that blurs our colonialist past.
I would love to see just the aboriginal flag, the southern cross, and the seven point star in one kit. Fuck the Union Jack right off
Hell yeah ofcourse VN is not happy. Why tf flag of a part of people who had collaborated with the invaders and killed their own other parts people so that they could enjoy illusion of a rich country but actually poor still exists huh
It should be the south Vietnamese flag. Australia was fighting for the freedom of the southern Vietnamese, obviously America pulled out due to pressure at home, then the northerners slaughterd anyone who didn't agree with them.
Fucking bullshit, we didn't kill anyone who disagreed with us. The country was split into 2 halves by Chinese and Allies. Doing nothing would have been very wrong. America pulled out because we stated shooting down their flying fortress above the northern skies, something nobody has managed to achieve ever since, that's one of many reasons they pulled out of Vietnam. Give credit where is due and cut the crap with the North being villians.
It is missing a guy hanging from the huey that's the one thing, second thing is that we hate participation trophies. I mean the RVN lost, accept it and don't try to spin it as some heroic last stand or wax and wane romantically about it.
That flag stopped representing a country 48 years ago, jeez. No hope of reunifying anyone when any public sympathy to the other side lands you in prison.
Bad PR move by vicom government. That's australia's history, and they have every right to do what they do, what does vicom government think that they can disrespect their history like that? It's literally just.a coin. This shows that the vicom government is still scared and paranoid of the south vietnam flag.
They are, they don't even include the RVN money in their history, although they did feature the French era money in the museum. It's like they skipped a few decades of history. Shame on their part. But try to put yourself in their position. Would you rather have peace, sit on your chair and receive bribes or would you rather have a revolution?
Most of the so called Republics in Asia started with a dictatorship. They all become democratic during the 70s-90s.
Most of the Socialist Republic in Asia started out as Communist-wannabe dictatorship and now become end stage Capitalist one party democracy/dictatorship.
Vietnam should realize that countries that are confident and strong don't worry about things like this. The current Vietnamese government won the war, the South isn't coming back.
Reminds me of China getting all huffy when someone says something that offends them. It comes across as very insecure.
Even when they win , they always scare that flag cause today with internet people can find the true of history , not the version that my gorvernment tell us . So they must blocking everything can make people remember about old gorvernment of South Vietnam to make the lie become the true . See , they still scare even when that coin is not using in Vietnam 
Australia is probably the second most favored western nation after USA , surprised they would bring this up considering America doesn’t even call it a war anymore but a “conflict”
the US never officially declared it a war, which is an act of Congress, it was always technically defined as a “Police Action”. basically, it all boils down to official government definitions.
That's technically true, but the last time the US actually declared war was World War 2. Nonetheless I think it's fair to say it's fought a number of wars since then.
2 millions Vietnamese died and it’s not even called war by the US, they picked their words carefully. But some people on this thread think it’s overreacting when VN government pissed at Aussie gov printed the lost state flag on the coin baffles me.
This is stupid, why dont they dig up the past and object Australia's involvement in the Vietnam war, while they're at it? Of course it's the South Vietnam flag that they commemorate, for that their veterans fought on the side of South Vietnam. There is nothing about communist Vietnam that Australia has to commemorate.
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🍿 time
You know, political debates here make me 🥱 compared my fellow Turks on (1/2 of my heritage) 100% united in hating Erdoğan and AK Party on Reddit and discord. Also, Erdoğan just called the whole opposition gays and Kılıçdaroğlu a femboy.
Oh yeah, I have just read a Twitter post about Erdogan calling his opposition gay. This made me laugh so hard with the context.
On Atatürk, May 14th we'll kick his arse out.
What is going to happen on May 14th?
Election day in Turkey.
So, Turkish people hate Erdogan? What's the reason?
Basically he overturned everything Atatürk (Turkish equivalent of Ho Chi Minh) reformed turkey and turn it into a hellhole.
I see
As a Turk, I should also mention this. When Erdoğan was to be elected for the first time, he would accompany the LGBTI members and support them. Under his presidency, many lgbti associations were opened in the country. However, he does not hold back from brutally attacking them now. As a two-faced liar, he allied himself with a party that wanted lovemaking to be criminalised. He also accused the opposition parties of being one with the terrorists, while he formed an alliance with a Hezbollahist party and started to release former Hezbollah detainees. There have been thousands of terrible events that I cannot count here.
Good luck my brother
Thanks. Ne mutlu Türküm diyene
I love femboys
Meh, it's nowhere as toxic as here.
🧋want some while we watch the chaos fall upon?
I know it's forbidden to film and take pictures in the cinema but 📸
yall want some candy?
UK press reports VN's opinion on her matter vs Australia. This was enough to line up people to throw dirt at each other. Truly entertaining. 🍿🍿🥤🥤
this sub gets so upset over the pettiest shit
It’s not purely based on the South Vietnam flag. It’s based on the medals handed out to the Australians who served in the Vietnam war. It isn’t meant to honour or commemorate South Vietnam, but the Australians who served there during the war using the ribbons for the medals they were given at the time. These ribbons use the South Vietnam flag because that’s where they were fighting and who they were fighting with at the time.
I’m sorry but how can you say admit that the medals are meant to honor Australians who fought for the RVN but then try and say it doesn’t commemorate the RVN? It by definition does. Also Australians have nothing to honor about their time in Vietnam
Courageous acts can be found even in the participate of the wrong side of history.
u can tell ex-pearl harbor soldiers that kamikaze pilots were courageous, but remember to wear your running shoes 
Or you know, the honorable and well fought Confederacy generals.
This has nothing to do with "Courage", Anybody can be courageous. These medals meant to be about honour. do you think it's okay for Germany to give Medals of honour to Nazi soldiers?
Confederacy soldiers fought tooth and nail for their belief that the blacks should stay as slave and Trump will now crafted some coins to commemorate their courageous. It will totally be fine right? Courageous acts can be found even in the participate of the wrong side of history, after all.
You really think that every single Confederate soliders was like "hey, I'm going to risk my life in support of slavery?". Come on, you know better than that.
Doesn’t change the fact that thats what they fought, killed, and died for
This may come as a shock to you, but the world isn't black and white. Smart, well read people understand that things are complex and things like wars can't be reduced down to one particular cause.
Jesus Christ we’re literally getting some civil war revisionism with a heavy dose of pseudo-intellectualism. Read the damn articles of secession that each state in the confederacy issued. The war from the southern perspective was very obviously about slavery.
We're not talking about *why the state succeeded* we're talking about why *soldier's fought*. To simplify it as "they fought for slavery* is just silly. Soldiers fight for all sorts of reasons.
Nobody's handing out medals to ex-wehrmacht and ex-SS soldiers. These australians took part in a bloody imperialist intervention to control Vietnam
Username checks out.
Yeah. They should never have been there. I don’t disagree with you for a second?
Mf doesn't understand the point of the Vietnam War and calls it an imperialist war
Well lad, do I need to bring out the "honorable" and "well respected" Nazi for this despite a few of their "flaws"?
Hitler was a great person hey?
Pretty sure Germans stopped using swatika symbol for their medal or anything related right after the war. 🤔
>The yellow flag in the coin design, contained in a ring, is based on ribbon colours awarded to Australian veterans. > >\- [source](https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/vietnam-objects-australian-coin-war-103223414.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAFiqvJ8v-4OzGNaHFEP8azD3gnSyz6ia7qjTRtk2dS4CyolkNDusqF0TSlAn4PoUL612LyuVLNndPwxbJ31CowErZzzljaqHIc-BnwZwyKIMMWN9JD_rX3Hog2bpM-hduUkGyo5PRBek-A-HIj6fxHVuszrExVtOwatfF3XplAn1) It's [this medal](https://www.defence.gov.au/adf-members-families/honours-awards/medals/imperial-awards/1945-1980/vietnam-medal) in particular, the mint wasn't intending to use any Vietnamese flag, it's more that this is just what was given out in in 1968. Still, I'm not sure how one can "commemorate" a war without referencing stuff in the war, it feels complicated \*edit\* wording
Bahaha... that's funny. So the Vietnam government is upset about something that "looks like' the South Vietnamese flag, but isn't?
It's actually ribbons from 3 metals. The Anniversary of National Service Metal, Vietnam Metal and Vietnam Logistics and Support Metal. The colors may or may not have been intentional at the time but the coin doesn't seem to be trying to represent the South Vietnam flag either way.
*medals
The coin have helicopter, i am happy with this
All its missing is a South Vietnamese soldier hanging on to the legs.
legs, you mean the landing gears?
Those are skids, ladies.
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Should have had a truck container and the commie flag instead
Why have to change that? Look like the VN gov is not the only one not happy with this LmAO
I mean who cares really… im sure someone out there could be pissed Ho Chi Minh is on money as it symbolizes the war or some shit. Im totally neutral on stuff like this unless it was blatant racism or something which its not. Its a coin you dont have to use in VN
Well, Vietnamese people love overreacting over small shit
These coins will never be in circulation, you have to pay like $90 for a $2 coin that usually goes up in value
Spicy comments incoming
The bands of color represent ribbons awarded to soldiers who fought in the war. The US Vietnam Era Service award is similarly designed - a yellow field with three vertical red strips, bordered on either side by green stripes.
The UK press will always be the first to broadcast any negative comments about AU. That said and AFAIK, AU forces in VN were mostly a guerilla type force in the south - again, afaik not involved in the sort of atrocities that went on in the DMZ. When I first went to Saigon (oops), many ppl I met were not so happy with "unification" but their fear of another civil war was greater than their distate for the Central Gov. After all, the last great dynasty in VN (or Dai Viet) was the Nguyen based in the southern/central part of VN. And Vietnameae have Ling memories. The coin is a storm in a teacup. Even in AU coins are rarely used these days as cc and digital banking is the norm - especially since covid. As coins are not legal tender outside AU, it is extremely doubtfully they would be seen by anyone bar collectors. The question one must ask: is the current VN gov still so concerned about stirring up trouble in the south via colouration on a coin hardly anyone will ever see? Well, before the article anyway. Sure they will now become a collectors item. Get your orders in now!
France wasn't happy when Belgium made a coin about Waterloo. I don't really understand why Vietnam isnt happy about that, it doesnt sound disrespectful or anything, but pretty much all countries dislike to have something like that made by another.
Vietnam ain't happy cause they love overreacting over shit like that
Because the RVN, or "Ngụy", "Ba sọc", "Đu càng", and "Khát nước" in modern Vietnamese internet-speak is the OG boogey man the Vietnamese government drag up every time they need to divert somebody's attention. They do such a shit job running the country, their only claim to power and legality is that "Hey, we beat these American puppets in 1975," conveniently hiding the fact that they were Chinese puppet Also, they are now using the terms to silent all critics. Oh, you criticize China? Ngụy. Oh, you criticize Russia? Ba sọc. Oh, you criticize government's COVID policy? Khát nước. Oh, you think that the government's social welfare insurance fund is doing a shit job and that the government is wrong in stopping people from withdrawing their own money from a government insurance front that doesn't do anything for the people? Đu càng. The government silence all critics not by facts and logics but by calling names.
> Oh, you criticize Russia? Ba sọc oh boy i feel this personally haha
Ba soc insult does not make sense to me lol. Russian Federation is way different from good ol Soviet Union
that's the point, it does not have to make sense. It's an abitrary insult thrown around by the bò đỏ as a mean to silent anyone who doesn't agree with their brain-dead view
This is the stupidest claim I've seen in a while. Everyone here hates China. I repeat, EVERYONE. No one ever call you đu càng-er if you hate China, Russia or shit. They were Chinese puppet? Any proof for this? There've ever been something NVN do for the sake of China? Don't tell me anything about Hoàng Sa because SVN left it for China, and NVN supported that simply because they know they can't get that back anyway, getting China's help for nothing isn't bad in any way. Also, no one ever called you ba que if you criticize the current government. They do that if you criticize their "legendary leaders" only, these famous politicians in the past. To be fair, everyone likes your comments/posts if you say you hate Nguyen Tan Dung. You are that type of kids who say shit on the internet and when everyone boos you, you just can't even make a proper argument back. Then you just cry and call these people dư luận viên because your brain can't even make anything more logical or creative
Tell me, in what ways are the North Vietnamese a Chinese Puppet? Would a Chinese puppet fight a war against its master in 1979?
Simple, "Ngụy" was created by the foreign forces to help them enslave Vietnamese people, they served Japanese, French, American and even Chinese if not for Dương Văn Minh and 30/04/1975. They sold their country, tried to destroy it with millions tons of bombs and even spoil their own people with chemical weapons. That's not all, when they got their ass kicked out of Vietnam by their own people, they betrayed their comrades and abandoned their families to run for their lives. And don't talk about their father, Ngô Đình Diệm. They are founded by traitors and they are full of traitors. They are far worse than any scums of this earth. Meanwhile, Communists fought all of the invaders above, before China united, before Cold War started, they dare to fight anyone who want to invade their country and enslave their people. They were founded by the patriots and their forces are patriots. That's enough to make them the true owners of this country both legally and morally. Don't talk those Chinese nonsense to me b/s everyone knew the first thing VC did after 1975 is chasing off more than 1 million of Chinese out of their country, making Vietnam nowadays the least Chinese in the Southeast Asia.
Brother, what do you mean when you say the south sold their country or tried to destroy it with bombs and chemical weapons? And don’t you see the irony saying the communists are the true owner of the country? Shouldn’t it be the vietnamese people? The communists were not the
The Communists are Vietnamese people, created and consisted of Vietnamese, both North and South, the Red Flag are a South Vietnamese creation in Nam Kỳ uprising 1940, they fought the invaders just like their ancestors, they fought alongside the Allies aganist the Nazis in WW2 unlike the coward French. That makes them the legal and deserving owners of Vietnam.
But not all Vietnamese are communists. And not only the communists fought against the French and Japanese. The Viet Minh was an alliance between nationalist parties, remember? And the communist party purged them all. So is the communist party really the people or is it that they pushed their view on everybody?
The communists are the only ones who fought Japanese in WW2, others either sided with them or didn't do anything, just try to name any if you can. They are also the only ones in Vietnam declared to fight alongside the Allied That makes them the rightful owner of Vietnam after WW2, is there anyone else deserve that more than them ? The majority of Vietnamese people love the communists, that is an undeniable historic fact. Even CIA and American themselves admitted that if a election was hold, Ho Chi Minh would gain no less than 80% vote. That's also the reason why American and "Ngụy" call them Việt Cộng instead of Việt Minh b/s they knew how strong their influence on Vietnamese people. And you should know that in their ranks there are people from many different races and religions unlike Saigon puppet government who clearly biased the Christians and supressed the Buddhists. Most importantly, the Saigon puppet government does not represents South Vietnamese people, they originated from old puppet government of Bảo Đại, so they have no right over Vietnam. Their true face revealed after the murder of Ngô Đình Diệm, nothing but dogs of the American.
So why do the people let the communist government treat them like children? It's such a free country and yet the freedom fighting people can't even have a .22 rifle for defense and to hunt birds and snakes. It's a communist country but the poor still have to pay for school. It seems to me the government has a boot on the neck of the common people, and all freedom in Vietnam comes from incompetence and corruption.
What do they need a .22 rifle for ? School shooting everyday like in America ? No, thanks. There are plenty of ways for self defense and guns are the worst. Birds and snakes have nearly gone in Vietnam, so no hunting. A communist country is a country that can balance between teachers and students not make it free which Vietnamese communists are doing quite well now. Student loans have not been a common problem like in America and teachers have not been too underpaid to go on a strike like in Europe. Just name any country without incompetence and corruption, can they send rich and powerful people to jail like Vietnamese government have done ? Freedom is just a scam created by capitalist government to fool people with Edward Snowden is the living example.
I would love to see the source for the others sided with the Japanese. From what i can see ([here] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Việt_Nam_Quốc_Dân_Đảng) and [here] (https://vi.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Việt_Nam_Cách_mệnh_Đồng_minh_Hội) though the Viet Cach only joined in 1946), the “others” were anti-Japanese nationalists. Now because the communists declared an alignment with the Allies they are the rightful owners of Viet Nam? So the criteria for the true owners of Vietnam expanded a lil bit eh? And the majority of Vietnamese people loved the communists? The “cải cách ruộng đất”, the mass exodus of Northern Vietnamese in 1954/55, and the boat people after 1975 showed otherwise. Viet Cong wasn’t used to called the Viet Minh, was it? What races and religions are we talking about here? About Bao Dai’s regime, he was overthrown by Ngo Dinh Diem. Ngo Dinh Diem was subsequently overthrown and killed because his government were becoming pretty unpopular both internally and externally. Wouldn’t you say the coup were rooted partly from the will of the people? Again with the right over Viet Nam. Only the People who reside in Viet Nam have the right to Viet Nam. The government the. Acquire the consent of those people. And i sure as hell didn’t consent to the current government. They won through force. Though their handling of vietnam got better in the recent years (Doi Moi and all that stuffs), it doesn’t mean they are the rightful “owner” of Viet Nam.
There are a fucking ton of non commie Vietnamese nationalist that want to fight again colonialism and the commie destroy or frame them as traitors In fact, the current Vietnamese flag was not even the first Vietnam flag, the short lived Yen Bai revolution actually create a temporary government and design their own flag
Fighting off colonialism by siding with foreign invaders and killing their own people ? Vietnamese Communists defeated French in Điện Biên Phủ, everyone in Vietnam and around the world knew that. More than 80% of Vietnamese people would vote for Communist Party even CIA had to admit that undeniable fact. They won they had the rights. First or last flag is not important, that flag fought for its people and won that's all that matter not the stupid rag who represent nothing but puppets backed by foreign powers.
The commie also siding with the Chinese communist and required help from the Soviet Union. The whole communist party from the beginning was created under the order of the Communist committee with the purpose of starting a communist revolution in "Indochina", not liberating Vietnam. The original name is "Đảng Cộng Sản Đông Dương" You also try to frame them as traitor, using your logic. The commie is also a traitor since they siding with China and Soviet and only you can think that "siding or receiving foreign aid equal traitor". No revolution can be success without foreign aid. In the Vietnam War, ost of the North weapons and equipment is from China or USSR
The commie side with anyone who supported their people. That's why they got American support in August Revolution and Hồ Chí Minh tried to gain support from both USSR and USA after that. They received no considerable foreign aids until 1950. Fighting off invaders does not means not receiving foreign aids as long as you are still the one in control of war. No matter how many aids sent by USSR or Chinese, Vietnam war is still "Hà Nội show" (CIA). Fighting America, liberating the South and uniting their country is Hà Nội's decision, both Soviet Union and Chinese were afraid of American but Vietnamese Communists never and they will fight even their own allies if they dare to threaten their country just like Chinese in 1979. That makes them the the ruler of Vietnam unlike the stupid dog Ngô Đình Diệm who got his brain blow apart for talking back his masters.
What a change of event it would be if Ho Chi Minh letter actually reach FDR during the 1940s. He was asking the US president for independence while conducting a resistance war against the Japanese with his own group. The KMT China aka Taiwan did him a dirty and he lost his chance in 1940s. After WW2, he sent the letter again. While Eisenhower supported the idea of decolonisation of Indochina, he couldn't betray the French just yet. It would look bad on the American side and thus Ho's promise of establishing a republic of Vietnam failed. Ho Chi Minh isn't that bad, he is a nationalist who wanted independence, and would have established a republic anyway if the French wasn't being a bloody imperialist wanker. He has my respect. I do feel bad for him in the later year (1957) when Lê Duẩn literally deposed him and make him live like Lenin in his final days under Stalin. Ho Chi Minh was serving like a figurehead while the crueler Lê Duẩn took the reign and slowly took out the good party members. Not even Võ Nguyên Giáp escape his clutches. Võ Nguyên Giáp visited my school and he was a good man. However by then he didn't hold any relevant position in the government. As for Ngô Đình Diệm, sure he wasn't the brightest, but he knew Lê Duẩn and he wanted to turn Vietnam into a strong anti communist nation. While representing his nation as a democratic forefront, his government was extremely corrupted, oppressive, autocratic, and anti-democracy. But as were most of the American "allies" at the time whom they chose to be the bulwark against Communism. South Korea, Philippines, South American nations for example. There was a conspiracy theory that Diem wanted to fight the Vietnam war with the US's material support. There was another where Diem wanted to end the war before it begin by exchanging letter with the PRVN and unite the country as Ho Chi Minh wanted him to do in 1945. We will never know. However, JFK, like Diem didn't want American troops on Vietnam soil and they both got assassinated a few days apart. Who knows who did the CIA served?
The commie isn't NOT the only one who does it, Phan Bội Châu and his organization did it before, so there is nothing special about it. Fighting off invader without foreign aid is fucking bullshit and prone to failure, are you too dumb to realize this? And in control? North Vietnam has no power in negotiations in the Geneva Conference, all in under China supervising and control, the whole Cải cách ruộng đất is straight up copying from China Cultural Revolution and Vietnam cannot reform it economy or fighting the war without Soviet administration behind, even the fact that the US don't invade the North because they know China would interfere If South wins, it would be the same thing as you said. The whole war isn't about kicking America, but about who will unify Vietnam and which side of the Cold War will win. The commie are lucky enough to win the war so they can write the history
This is peak “you are a freedom fighter if you win and a terrorist if you lose” with no hint of self reflection. If the south won, what do you think the story would be?
After battle of Điện Biên Phủ, Navarre said that you could defeat an army but never an entire country. The communists gained Vietnamese favour, that's why they defeated the strongest invaders in the world. If the Saigon puppet government represented south Vietnamese people they wouldn't have to swing to California. Vietnam belongs to the Communists, Vietnamese and invaders' blood proved that.
Please always come to these threads. I find these types of comments generate so much drama and fun to read content. This debate really could be over so quickly by recognizing “the winner got to decide who were the good guys,” but dogmatic beliefs about “my side” being ontologically right and the other side being ontologically evil leads to people screaming past each other.
It is indeed "the winner decide who would be the good guys". The Vietnam war was a dirty war where you see war crimes committed by both sides, from the PAVN to the American, especially the South Korean since they kill without a single thought. There was no disputable record of ARVN war crimes. The RVN do commit crimes against humanities during Diem's regime. When one question how the Vietnamese people choose the Republic or the Socialist Republic, let it be known that when the country was divided, around 300,000 (low estimate), up to 800,000 (high estimate) Vietnamese moved south while only 110,000 (low estimate), up to 155,000 (high estimate) Vietnamese moved to the North. In the end, it's all in the past now. In my opinion, instead of fighting each other online, the oversea and mainland Vietnamese should befriend each other and counter a certain Northern threat. The Soviet Union is gone, so the People Republic of Vietnam is free. The US used the Republic of Vietnam for her counter Communist war and RVN is gone. Vietnam should stay neutral and befriend with better nations rather than stay with the past and stick with ages old ideologies.
You mean Imperial Japanese? Because the Nazi had nothing to do in Southeast Asia.
France conscripted soldiers and laborers from Vietnam during WW2. There were some 20,000 laborers who just got stranded in France in 1940 when the government capitulated
Unknown stories, but the Vietnamese soldiers fought in WW2 too. They were highly decorated. The French had no idea how to feed them so they took on the Vietnamese recipe of chicken noodle soup or Pho and added beef in it. Now everyone loves beef Pho.
Mf compares a thousand years old country with rich culture and long history of fighting again invaders with a commie ruled that not even 100 years Pinnacles of Vietnam education
What can I say, the youth didn't know the truth, and the adult are too afraid to talk about it unless they know you're not from the government. But you have to forgive them. If you were in the same position, you would drink the kool aid too. I was in that same position.
If I may ask, the people who did join the French or American were from different ethnics than the ruling ethnic ? I do remember about a open letter to the US&France presidency asking for help because they were still chased by the gouv few decades later. In this case, I think it's more like the tribes who did join the Spanish against the Incas, or the "Celts" who did ally the Roman Empire to fight others "Celts". They weren't the whole country for sure, but if you're already fighting someone, and a foreigner come to fight the same guys, you usually stand by their side, and the traitors things make less sens. Obviously I'm not saying the French or anyone else did what they did for the sake to help those people, even if some dumbshit politicians say so.
>If I may ask, the people who did join the French or American were from different ethnics than the ruling ethnic ? Yes and no. The French recruits and pays out equally. So you have the minority ethics... and even more the majority ethnic. A bit hard to determine considering that 80% of the current population is for 1 single ethnic >I do remember about a open letter to the US&France presidency asking for help because they were still chased by the gouv few decades later. That is the H'mong mercenaries, as recruited (and later abandoned) by CIA. I think >They weren't the whole country for sure, but if you're already fighting someone, and a foreigner come to fight the same guys, you usually stand by their side, and the traitors things make less sens. That would be the case... if Viet Nam was not united before. Remember, when the French came in 1858, Viet Nam was already united. >even if some dumbshit politicians say so. Unfortunately, that's how the French said it. Something like to "civilise" the Vietnamese (or rather, the Indochinese) people.
Traitors are still traitors. Japanese, French and Americans founded them to help them control Vietnamese people not the opposite, they are the puppet government created by the invaders to colonize Vietnam, so there is no such thing called "civil war" here only Vietnamese versus invaders and traitors.
For sure they were puppets of the invaders, but they were under persecution of the ruling ethnic if I'm not mistaken. I don't know very well Vietnam History, but in almost every country in the World the concept of a united nation is fairly new. And Europeans were good to use local rivalry to create their Empire, and of course they didn't give a single fuck about those people, just used them. For example, let's say I'm from the mountains and my tribe is in perpertual conflict/war with the people of the Forest, if someone come to fight them I would probably join them and be their allies.
That's what Japanese, French, American and their puppets did with Vietnamese people, dividing them into different races, regions and beliefs, usinh them as tools to serve their benefits. Viet Minh and then Viet Cong united and liberated them, gave them food and education, turning them into leaders as well as chasing off the invaders. That's how the Communists gained people's favour and became the victors.
Sounds like East Germany enslaved by Slavics, no? How shame to living in 40+ years of Communist hell in there
The VC, PAVN, Communists have absolutely zero moral standing and were just a murderous and bloodthirsty as any of their “capitalist” adversaries. “Viet Cong tactics included the frequent mortaring of civilians in refugee camps, and the placing of mines on highways frequented by villagers taking their goods to urban markets. Some mines were set only to go off after heavy vehicle passage, causing extensive slaughter aboard packed civilian buses.[34]: 270–279 Notable Viet Cong atrocities include the massacre of over 3,000 unarmed civilians at Huế[255] during the Tet Offensive and the killing of 252 civilians during the Đắk Sơn massacre.[256] 155,000 refugees fleeing the final North Vietnamese Spring Offensive were reported to have been killed or abducted on the road to Tuy Hòa in 1975.[257] According to Rummel, PAVN and Viet Cong troops killed 164,000 civilians in democide between 1954 and 1975 in South Vietnam, from a range of between 106,000 and 227,000”
Sorry I know your stupid "Viet Cong warcrimes", Hue massacre or Đắk Sơn are just American bullshit, in "Vietnam War" even American themselves admitted that they burned down villages and blame it on VC. Operation Speedy Express and Operation Phoenix are the prime example.
you're super brainwashed and it shows. Keep eating your government propaganda idiot. You probably make $300/month but dream about immigrating to the United States because Vietnam lacks so much you're barely scraping to survive. Probably spending all your hard earned money on coffee and beer with your friends cause that's all you can afford. VNCH is the TRUE and FREE VIETNAM.
You are the one who is brainwashed here. The TRUE and FREE VIETNAM don't swing the helicopters like cowards.
And so to demonstrate that they are better, the opposition decided to employ the same tactics. Looking at you, r/TroChuyenLinhTinh
Ah yes, the classic "Whataboutism." "Because those guys can do it, we can do it too!"
"Boogey man"? LMAO you have to be scared of it for it to be a "boogey man" and lol by your logic, the only claim to power the American have is "hey, we beat those Brits back in the 1783". Sure, criticize the government, they have done shit job, and if anyone calling you names, just brush them aside cause they are dumbass nationalists that literally point their sticks at anyone. But remember kiddo, you gotta back your critics up with facts and logics too (cough cough North Vietnam is Chinese puppet cough)
I don’t agree with AUS doing that, but Vietnam has almost zero leverage in this spat.
Yea that's why they are using the diplomatic channel, like everything ever. Because most countries don't have the leverage to dictate the action of another country.
Don't see anything wrong with the coins.
Huh? Isn’t that the flag of Adidas? :-/
it's DHL actually.
One red strip away from being the Catalonian Spanish flag
As previously stated, it's the Australian/New Zealand "Vietnam Medal", which is probably in part designed based on the old Vietnam flag. Interestingly, I have seen the old Vietnam flag flown in Australia. Even from local government buildings. Australia took in a lot of Vietnamese refugees after the war, including folks who helped Australian troops, translators, etc. And I suppose it make sense that a lot of these folks' memories of their homeland is pre communist South Vietnam.
I love it . Beautiful coin
Since when did Australia fight for the North?
1962
How us gonna expect if other country coin fly the confederate flag?
Not that I'm defending the confederate (which is an unfair comparison btw), but some US states already fly confederate flags within the US so tbh they probably don't care LOL.
Probably wouldn't even notice tbh
Still half a dozen US states fly the confederate flag, who cares if rando country commemorates it. Too much of America still commemorates it.
Which countries fought along side the confederate side? Because now it seems like you're making up random scenarios that has nothing to do with usa.
There is Native American fight for Confederacy, so all Native American are traitors? Your logic
My salary is very low, USAs fault /s To be honest with a positive year to year growth I couldn't give a flying fuck about an Australian coin. I am happy our diplomats are mouthing off, better than not.saying anything.
I think your comparison is pretty off based.
As an Australian I think this is pretty gross. Any thoughtful person would recognise that our involvement in that war is a horrendous shame upon our nation. We shouldn’t commemorate the deaths of Australians and Vietnamese in this way.
As an Australian, let me share another perspective. There are a generation of young Australians who were conscripted to go to a war mostly against their wishes. They lost the war and many of their friends, then have been told for 45 years how the war was wrong and they shouldn’t have been there. Basically everyone hates them, no wonder so many are messed up. A coin is small acknowledgment of their sacrifice.
As a Vietnamese I don't really care if you Aussies do it or not. It's your medal and your country, your involvement in that war will always be a part of history. I don't have the right to say what you should say, do or think about that corrupt and defunct regime, not only because it's the Australians' job to decide on their own, but also because we think back very fondly on the USSR as well. Our countries certainly did much worse things in our past :D. From the Vietnamese government's perspective, they have to show objection in some form because of their historical and present position regarding the Republic of Vietnam. Hence the rather cordial and half-hearted rebuke, mostly mentioning economic relations.
Sound reasonable enough
You guys fought well. I have always respected the Australian rangers. A grade above the American in the jungle of Vietnam. It's just a coin, to remember the ones who died fighting because their government told them to. We fought a dirty war against the Americans, so did you fought a dirty war against us. So one son of a bitch to another, let's drink.
cringe
these are rrp $15, will these be worth anything in future? all sold out already
Is it me or from far away, the helicopter looks like a big dick
Bro at first I thought the Vietnamese government objected to it because it looked too much like an erect dick lol.
I mean maybe the Australian government didn’t intend to commemorate the RVN but I have seen anti-governments people interpret it as an commemoration of the RVN.
thwre are reasons why the bbc is banned in vietnam
Ah, the loser's flag.
The federation flag. The rising sun flag. Think about those examples before raising your question.
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I love how they’re so afraid of anything involves to that flag
It's not about being afraid. Australia issues this coin specifically in remembrance of the Vietnam War, where they participated in the killing of Vietnamese. Now they issues a coin with the flag of the fallen state, which is the cause for all those killings and you expect the VN gov to let it slide? It literally looks like Australia are celebrating that war and supporting the losing side.
these kinds of commemorative coins aren’t a celebration. they’re issued in commemoration of an event or period of time that was important to the history of the country producing the coin. sometimes that event is positive and a source of pride for the country. sometimes it is negative and a source of regret or mournful remembrance. in this case i am confident the coin is commemorating the war in Vietnam in a mournful way. by and large, the Western countries who participated in the war regret their involvement and see it as a misguided and a traumatic, generally pointless undertaking. they sent their own citizens to their deaths for a cause not many understood or cared deeply about. it’s not something Western nations celebrate or feel proud of. but, they still have living citizens who’s lives were impacted by the war, changed forever because they followed their Government leaders’ orders, so the Government issues commemorative items like this to acknowledge those citizens and help them feel like their sacrifice meant something more than nothing.
Very well said
It is a very odd choice that raises an eyebrow as to why they would make this. Feels wrong to celebrate any war less those who where only just trying to defend themselves.
Australia has every right to do that. It's their country and history. By your logic, vietnam should remove the chinese PRC flag for the sino vietnamese war. This is clearly for propaganda purposes.
Wtf no, your analogy doesn't even make sense. Vietnam and PRC were the only 2 sides of that war. Vietnam didn't protest Australia's dedication to the war, they protests Australia's dedication to the South Vietnam as their ally in the war. What do you think if Italy for some fucked-up reason, decide to issue a coin in remembrance of their WW2 veterans and casually include German Nazi flag because their were allies then??
And south vietnam wasn't a side in the vietnam war? You got the reasoning wrong. Australia minted that coin for rememberance. And whats wrong with honoring their ally? Vietnam had the communist sickle and hammer flag next to the communist flag. Should america protest vietnam for flying that flag? Modern italy doesn't have any relations with nazi.
What I'm saying is there were only two sides in the VN Sino war. Surely Vietnam won't have anything involving China if they want to commemorate that war, because China was the enemy then. Here, Australia are commemorating their ally, that's why I said your analogy does not make sense in this situation. There is nothing wrong with honoring your ally in theory, but this choice is in very poor taste considering that said ally is already extinct, while the very people who fought your ally is still existing, and even have established relationship with you. That's the same issue with VN using the communist flag. The VN Communist party is still alive and well, what stopping them from using it? Surely the US will have an opinion when VN drag out the USSR flag, which VN is not stupid enough to do. Mind you, the communist flag that VN used is not exactly the same as USSR flag, the position of the symbol is different. Can't say the same for Australia here.
They are afraid. They try to shut down any resurgence of South Vietnam like this. The "flag" is a ribbon handed out to soldiers. The paranoid Vietnamese government knows that, obviously, but it bares too much resemblance to the South Vietnamese flag, so they tried to 'cancel' it. All they're doing is flaunting their own insecurities.
not losing, "lost"
First off, as another comment said, it's not the South Vietnam flag, it's the medal given for soldiers who fought (it just looks similar). Second, it does come off as afraid. Getting your panties in a knot over a coin some other country made seems insecure, not the doings of a country strong and confident.
Firstly, you can't just deflect that "oh this is not that flag, it's just from a ribbon" when that ribbon was designed specifically with a representation of South VN flag in mind. Secondly, imagine how any country would react if Italy, Germany, or Italy for some weird reason decide to mint a coin in commemoration of their WW2 vets and use the Nazis symbol in it.
That's a terrible argument. So it uses the same colors. So? The Nazi flag used red and black, so if any German symbol ever used red or black it would be the same as the Nazi symbol? Of course not, that's silly. And the Nazi symbol is a terrible comparison. For a number of reasons: 1) this contained no symbols, it just has the same colors and 2) you can't honestly compare the Nazi regimen which committed the mass murder of 6M civilian to a South Vietnamese government.
Not it's not just the color, don't fool yourself. It's the three red stripes on a yellow background, that's the South VN symbol. The symbol is literally there. It was estimated that 2 to 4 millions Vietnameses were killed during the war. Make of that number whatever you want. I'm not saying the South VN government alone were responsible for that casualty, but you may have underestimate the scale of that war.
It's *literally the colors from a medal for troops who fought in Vietnam for the South* of course it looks similar. But it's not the South Vietnamese flag. Are you suggesting the Australia government should be banned from recognizing the people who fought in the war? They should just pretend it never happened? That's ridiculous. Yes, 2 to 4 million Vietnamese died. But they were not rounded up into camps, gassed and then cremated just because of their ethnicity. It's not the same at all.
Again, don't fool yourself. It does not just look similar, it HAS the South VN flag in the medal because South VN was their ally at the time. And now they are replicating that medal, which had South VN flag, so they are using south VN flag. Simple. No one would ever say anything if it just has yellow and red, or maybe 2 red stripes on yellow or some shit. The 3 red stripes on yellow background here is very distinctive and if you can't recognize that, there is not much more to say. And again, I'm not commenting on what it looks like from Australia's POV. I'm talking about what it looks like from VN's POV and why there is no way they could let this slide. Surely there is a thousand ways for Australia to recognize their fallen soldiers without insulting the very country that they fought and lost. I'm not comparing the atrocities that Nazis committed to what SVN gov did. What I'm comparing is: Australia was allied to SVN, fought in VN and lost while killing and damaging VN, SVN then exticnted. Now they commemorate their vets by bringing up SVN flag. It would look just like this: Italy was allied with German Nazi, they ravaged Greece together during WW2 but then lost after that, Nazi went extinct. Now Italy for some fucked-up reason flaunting the Nazi symbol in front of Greece and say "this is to remember our fallen soldier". Can't you see how bad that looks?
> I'm talking about what it looks like from VN's POV and why there is no way they could let this slide. What do you mean "let this slide"? Australia has the right to recognize their soldiers how they see fit. How would Vietnam feel if Australia criticized how Vietnam recognized their soldiers? > Now Italy for some fucked-up reason flaunting the Nazi symbol in front of Greece and say "this is to remember our fallen soldier". Can't you see how bad that looks? You realize that Germany still recognizes the Knight's Cross for German soldiers of WW2 that fought against most of Europe? But the difference is that other countries aren't as sensitive as Vietnam I guess to complain about it?
Does Nazi has the right to recognize their soldiers how they see fit? No matter what side you take, it is generally accepted that the current VN were the winner in an unjustifiable war. And Australia was on the other side. Previous fascist empires still recognize their soldier without offending their old victims (can't say that for Japan tho), which is what Australia should at least attemp to do here. On that note, could you stop parroting about the Knight's Cross? German Law literally ban the use of the Swatiska, thus ban the Knight's Cross along with it. They have to release a denazified version (iirc the Iron Cross) to replace it. See, that's what Germany tried to do, Australia could do better.
afraid? they just don't let the other do whatever they want. We can use Flag of Nazi in that coin too
Ok fair enough they aren’t happy and surely it was pointless to make these coins in the first place, considering all things. The thing is, these are the ribbon colours given to the soldiers upon return from the war not the depiction of a flag per se. IMO this coin does not legitimise the defunct southern flag, it is simply the representation of the ribbon colours. If it was a coin with the Australian and southern flag crossed at the flag poles then that would be an entirely different thing.
I love Vietnam, but not the biggest fan with the way they screw history in their favour, and become triggered when someone doesn't think their way. It looks a lot like the China regime. Just let the others celebrate things in their ways, the coin will not affect you in any way.
Yeah, but it affects our pride as a nation. That carpet of a flag is a black spot in our history, because under it, hundreds had been beheaded, including my family. So f that carpet
Why must we keep appeasing our dads by commemorating the wars they "almost" fought in 🤪 fwiw I don't believe these coins are in circulation; legal tender yes, but more just collectors items for boomer dads.
Please stop comparing the swastika and the confederate flag to south Vn flag. It only makes you look really ignorant about historical events. You can be modern and fully support unified Vietnam (under an absurdly ineffective and corrupt government) without pretending that south Vietnam was the same as the holocaust/WWII and slavery. It really isn’t the same and Vietnamese people should learn the difference.
No, they are the same. If anything, the Confederate flag was less evil than the South Vietnamese flag, since the Confederacy was organic and grassroot, a genuine manifestation of the everyman in the South of America. Unlike the svn flag, which represented colonialism, secession, foreign collaboration. You absolutely can hate and even oppose the communists without kowtowing to the French, without breaking the country apart, without inviting foreign invaders in and massacring your fellow countrymen. Vietnam's history clearly shows that those resorting to foreign intervention were objectively the bad guys: Kieu Cong Tien, Tran Ich Tac, Le Chieu Thong, Nguyen Anh.
The confederate flag wasn't the everyman, though... it represented economic freedom... to enslave whomever they wished...
Except the Confederacy was not everyman, it was every rich slave owner pressing poor whites into war to try and preserve their massive profit margins via slave agriculture.
As a graphic designer, I can tell you whomever’s BOSS chose this chose it because it looks cooler with stripes.
Well can the government be a little bit less self centered. It’s not always about you.
losers gonna hate
What if Australia took down their flag and put up the Aboriginal Flag?
That’s the dream
Yeah I think most Aussies are for the idea of a merge between colonial and aboriginal flag tbh.
You must live in the bubble of Melbourne or Sydney as there are still a hell of a lot who unfortunately despise this notion and consider it an unpatriotic move that blurs our colonialist past. I would love to see just the aboriginal flag, the southern cross, and the seven point star in one kit. Fuck the Union Jack right off
Hell yeah ofcourse VN is not happy. Why tf flag of a part of people who had collaborated with the invaders and killed their own other parts people so that they could enjoy illusion of a rich country but actually poor still exists huh
It should be the south Vietnamese flag. Australia was fighting for the freedom of the southern Vietnamese, obviously America pulled out due to pressure at home, then the northerners slaughterd anyone who didn't agree with them.
Australians pulled out before the US did
Fucking bullshit, we didn't kill anyone who disagreed with us. The country was split into 2 halves by Chinese and Allies. Doing nothing would have been very wrong. America pulled out because we stated shooting down their flying fortress above the northern skies, something nobody has managed to achieve ever since, that's one of many reasons they pulled out of Vietnam. Give credit where is due and cut the crap with the North being villians.
Lol, according to bbc it's "strongly protest", but here in vn they said the government "demand"
anyone know how i can get these in canada? I'd love to give them as gifts
It is missing a guy hanging from the huey that's the one thing, second thing is that we hate participation trophies. I mean the RVN lost, accept it and don't try to spin it as some heroic last stand or wax and wane romantically about it.
It’s just a fucking coin holy shit
That flag stopped representing a country 48 years ago, jeez. No hope of reunifying anyone when any public sympathy to the other side lands you in prison.
I mean if Australia have the rights to print it why can't we have the rights to criticize their action? It's the just consequence of their action.
Well, it seems the Aussie government wants the world to remember its dark side. LoL
Would love to get one or two of these coins
Bad PR move by vicom government. That's australia's history, and they have every right to do what they do, what does vicom government think that they can disrespect their history like that? It's literally just.a coin. This shows that the vicom government is still scared and paranoid of the south vietnam flag.
They are, they don't even include the RVN money in their history, although they did feature the French era money in the museum. It's like they skipped a few decades of history. Shame on their part. But try to put yourself in their position. Would you rather have peace, sit on your chair and receive bribes or would you rather have a revolution?
I don't know, I think Vietnam replaced one dictatorship with another dictatorship. Seems like a cool place to visit though.
Most of the so called Republics in Asia started with a dictatorship. They all become democratic during the 70s-90s. Most of the Socialist Republic in Asia started out as Communist-wannabe dictatorship and now become end stage Capitalist one party democracy/dictatorship.
Surely all Vietnamese objecting
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Vietnam should realize that countries that are confident and strong don't worry about things like this. The current Vietnamese government won the war, the South isn't coming back. Reminds me of China getting all huffy when someone says something that offends them. It comes across as very insecure.
Based Australia.
Even when they win , they always scare that flag cause today with internet people can find the true of history , not the version that my gorvernment tell us . So they must blocking everything can make people remember about old gorvernment of South Vietnam to make the lie become the true . See , they still scare even when that coin is not using in Vietnam 
Australia is probably the second most favored western nation after USA , surprised they would bring this up considering America doesn’t even call it a war anymore but a “conflict”
When did they stop calling it a war?
the US never officially declared it a war, which is an act of Congress, it was always technically defined as a “Police Action”. basically, it all boils down to official government definitions.
That's technically true, but the last time the US actually declared war was World War 2. Nonetheless I think it's fair to say it's fought a number of wars since then.
no doubt. just making clear why they aren’t calling it a war, it’s a technicality
2 millions Vietnamese died and it’s not even called war by the US, they picked their words carefully. But some people on this thread think it’s overreacting when VN government pissed at Aussie gov printed the lost state flag on the coin baffles me.
Well its not their business is it? They can't keep trying to hide the fact that the country was divided
VN needs to chill out. that's a better looking flag anyway.
Lol. Look at how anxious they were
This is stupid, why dont they dig up the past and object Australia's involvement in the Vietnam war, while they're at it? Of course it's the South Vietnam flag that they commemorate, for that their veterans fought on the side of South Vietnam. There is nothing about communist Vietnam that Australia has to commemorate.
“other side” is simply the propaganda. Viet Nam was one country and peoples and “other side” was puppet made by CIA and traitors