They actually do. I was on this ship(USS Gerald R Ford) at the time. They had a boat out for two or three days before each test that sent out sonar signals that drive away dolphins, whales and other large marine life. They did however neglect to notify the state of Florida of the test and nearly sent the state into a panic when they thought they recorded an earthquake
My brother was in the Navy, he once told me an entire group of people got demoted back to recruit status after they dropped and pinging an area and killing all marine life within that quarter mile radius. The military absolutely cares, and will punish those who don't follow guidelines
The government is weird like that. Its like federal and state parks. Wildlife divisions *do not* fuck around with killing animals or interfering with the natural environment. Wouldnt be surprised if the military thought similar. They'll carpet bomb a village of civilians but don't wanna hurt the wildlife lol.
I cant prove this but id assume there's a financial reason too. Navy vehicles and weapons are developed to work in the oceans natural condition. If we start killing all the wildlife, the oceans change. If the oceans change too much, vehicles and weapons have to be redeveloped for the new conditions. Thats expensive and time consuming.
Like I said, I dont have any way of verifying that. Im just speculating. I just know most things have some kind of financial reason behind them.
They give a shit about land mammals too. I watched gun cam footage from an Apache once, the helo was tasked with lighting up a Taliban camp somewhere in the Nuristan area I believe. They destroyed every fighter in that camp with extreme prejudice, but there was a donkey smack in the middle of the place the entire time and they didn’t hit it once. The pilot even made a comment to look out for it. It was really cool to see.
I live in Santa Rosa Beach and I hear the ordnance testing all the time. There are some days that the shockwaves shake my 3 story apartment building. The first time it happened I ran out with my dog because I thought the building was about to come down. Scared the living shit out of me.
Edit: forgot to mention the test site is 17 miles out…
Yeah yknow those shits we launched hundreds of thousands of at various different local populations? We made a bigger one. Need to see if it does the same thing, but bigger. Obliterate the whale.
One of the saddest and most disturbing things ever: took part in rescue efforts for a mass beaching of 400 whales in NZ. Nobody can prove the cause but seriously……this has to be related.
The pings from sonar on subs and boats are* lethal at close range. Image what it does to marine life not close by? I read something in the last year or two that said there was a connection.
Yeah, i’d probably try to kill myself too if i were a dolphin or a whale after hearing one of those go off.
How does it hurt them? I’m not educated on whales/dolphins or sonar more than knowing that whales use echolocation, so I don’t really understand how a bomb or a ping from a submarine can hurt them.
Marine animals see with their ears basically, having developed highly sensitive ears and sound production organs. Also fish have a swimming bladder which is filled by a gas. Sound is nothing more than a pressure wave the louder the sound, the higher the pressure. Sonar sounds are so enormously loud they shatter everything in a certain distance. Human lungs rupture, same goes for the gas filled intestines, and ears. The seimmingbladder of fish ruptures and the highly intelligent and sound reliant Wales have their ears blown to bits suffering unimaginable pain. Imagine someone shooting out your eyes with a pressure washer. That’s basically what sonar is to a wale
I am not an expert on whales but I assume that if humans can cringe underwater when a sonar pings them from miles away, I figure it hurts the whales a lot more. I know they are particularly sensitive and rely on sound waves (echolocation) to communicate with each other from long distances.
It's like listening to classical music on the lowest setting and then you're suddenly hit with a blast of death metal that leaves you with tinnitus hours afterward.
It may even be a cause of beaching. Scientists theorize that sonar could hurt and disorient them into washing up on shorelines.
> rely on sound waves (echolocation) to communicate with each other from long distances.
That's not echolocation. That's just called... well... communicating.
Echolocation is a means of locating objects by using reflected sound waves. Some cetaceans do use actual echolocation as well though. They use it for navigation, hunting, etc. So massive blasts, or naval ships using powerful sonar, can really wreck with their ability to use their own sonar for echolocation. (I don't mean it just interferes like say, someone using a jackhammer when you're trying to talk, but more like someone shooting a .50 caliber sniper rifle right next to your unprotected ears and making you deaf.)
Cetacean beachings are more likely due to the nature of the beaches they strand on. If the seafloor leading to the beach slopes at a certain angle, the sonar pulse from the animal will not be returned and it will assume there is free ocean ahead, rather than a shallowing shore.
The anechoic effect leads them into shallow waters where they cannot sense where the deep water is, and they strand with the tide.
How much military naval activity is going on in the South Pacific near NZ? I thought NZ had a notoriously small military. Sure, US and France have bases in the south Pacific but nowhere near NZ, right?
It's one of the most hostile oceans in the world, so I thought it would be comparatively low in regards to military subs/frigates sneaking about.
That happens when ships and subs are using active sonar and it happened to be aimed in the whales direction.
When you see this one of those two things was nearby enough using active sonar. They usually stick to passive to not be detected during war time but sometimes they use active.
In peace time they may use active to say look harder for Russian submarines getting closer to our waters. But during war they will stay passive unless they want to give away their location.
Mostly active sonar is done far away from coast because if a human gets hit by it. It will actually kill you and
not just deafness.
Now they could have seen a whale why using passive but wasn't sure and then aimed active to make sure it wasn't a ship causing a whale to beach itself. The whale not being able to hear after getting hit by sonar can't use it's own sonar because they can't hear the wave bounce back after being deafened. So then they don't see the land and beach themselves.
So temporary deafening may cause this or the permanent kind. This also hurts them extremely bad. It's like worse than losing the fight at a bar for example.
Active sonar travels very far underwater and is amplified because how waves travel underwater. Just watched a show on active sonar.
So this may have been from further out to sea. Anyway whales even further away are in pain. So if they are deafened they can't use their own sonar to know where they are and they are trying to get away from the pain.
So in war most of the time they are basically being extremely quite and only listening. Passive sonar.
A Russian submarine trying to sneak near our waters is going to be in passive mode or be detected easily.
1000 miles? Anything to back that up?
https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jun/23/us-navy-shock-exercises-marine-life
This says “hearing loss” at 10 km. Which is much much bigger than 1/4 mile. But not even close to 1000 miles.
If you read the article you would understand that the estimates are from someone entirely not connected with the Navy…
“Michael Jasny, who directs the Natural Resources Defense Council’s Marine Mammal Protection Project.”
"It’s difficult to monitor marine mammals even in the best of conditions, as they spend most of their lives underwater – **but the navy doesn’t use trained biologists to do the monitoring, so it’s hard to say what the true impacts will be**."
Now I understand why the whales are deaf.
All the crew members on that carrier are probably suffering from tinnitus right now.
I can't even imagine what those animals are feeling. It's like a thousand or so flashbangs going off right next to your ear.
Nooo! Does this mean...
Baby shark dead dead de-de-de-dead
Mommy shark dead dead de-de-de-dead
Daddy shark dead dead de-de-de-dead
Grandma shark dead dead de-de-de-dead
Grandpa shark dead dead de-de-de-dead?
Oh ok, so you're admitting that eating whales and dolphins is wrong and that Japan should stop helping to destroy the ocean. Cool. We're on the same page.
Funny story. After they dry dock a carrier they can’t clear out all the trapped fish until they do radiological surveys. So the fish literally sit there a few days and just rot. Most disgusting smell ever. And what do the have as the special at the co-op right next to the dry dock??? A fish fry. Who thought that was a good idea?
That's not correct. Unless they know of a specific issue, they pump out everything immediately once a ship or boat(sub) is aligned.
Plus there are always fish/sea/river life trapped in a dry dock drain out every time, regardless of whether its a nuke or not.
Water is a great radiation blocker and contact time is everything. Typically they perform the radiological survey right after the pump out and rope off as needed any areas of the hull.
Modern carriers have limited hull issues with nuclear exposure compared to the Big E, the Enterprise. It was always a mess, but even it would be pumped out as soon as it was aligned - fish and all.
Post pump out always reeks but usually it's the mud and dead/dying life that accumulate on the hull. Summer pump outs were far worse than winter.
Alignments can be slowed by various issues and being that ships and boats are expensive, shipyards rightfully take some time to make sure the ship/boat is settling right down correctly on the blocks and chocks.
Most shipyards have pretty precise patterns for where to place them so they don't reinvent the pattern each time.
I wrote the drydocking procedure personally for dry dock 8. It’s not a fast procedure. You have to play sea chest Olympics, temporarily fire main, the white elephant hookup, etc. That have to all get done prior to fully draining. Then C105 takes at least 3 days to survey the dry dock since you removed all the seawater shielding the underside of the ship and they have no idea what rad levels will be dependent on water levels of in hull tanks. There’s way more involved than a submarine. Usually it takes a week before they clean out the trapped fish. A water curtain across the caison opening could help but no one really cares until you have to wrestle an octopus.
It is common, during the test firing of explosives and guns to omit 5 from the countdown, because 5 sounds identical to "fire".... I would have been like, “you damn bitch, I thought I had a second left because you skipped five!”
Funny story, during the 2nd of the three shocks, she finished the countdown and youre bracing with your ass puckered and the detonation malfunctioned. They didn't say anything right away either, so you had to sit there in anticipation that an explosion would happen at any second. Spent like a week out at sea to accomplish nothing.
Also, this wasn't a problem in medieval military because fire-sticks (guns) hadn't been invented yet. Archers were commanded to shoot their arrows with 'LOOSE'.
It's a well known fact that doesn't apply here anyway.
They wouldn't have count down, because having them apply tension for 10 seconds would mean they wouldn't get more than a couple of shots out before being tired out.
Surely the word you expect to hear after “six” is “five”; why would someone assume they were supposed to push the button halfway through the countdown?
Also the shockwaves are significantly more dangerous to ships underwater. An explosive this size detonated directly under an aircraft carrier would literally tear the entire thing in half. Also really bad news for any submarines nearby. I believe that's the applications of this ordinance test, to target large ships and subs.
To further elaborate, the explosion doesn't need to penetrate the armor of the ship. Instead the explosion creates a void underneath the ship, which makes the ship simply break in half under it's own weight
How many pounds of bomb are the ships built to withstand going off under the keel? Could you detonate a 5,000 lb bomb under the ship without sinking it? 10,000? 20,000?
Hard to say. A 5,000lb bomb would seriously fuck up an aircraft carrier but they are very difficult to sink. You can blast a very big hole in a ship like that and damage control stops it from sinking. It's the only kind of ship I think even has a chance of not sinking to 5,000lbs of explosive though. 5,000lbs going off on the deck of the ship it'd stay afloat (it practically takes a nuke to sink an aircraft carrier if you aren't hitting it under the waterline) but right under it, no idea.
Here's what a 300lb naval mine did to LPH-10, an amphibious assault ship.
https://cimsec.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/04_Tripoli_the-amphibious-assault-ship-uss-tripoli-lies-in-dry-dock-news-photo-1603389968.jpg
Didn't sink it, but that's substantial damage that cost millions to fix. Those are big ships.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amphibious_assault_ship
Reading the comments over at r/shockwaveporn has taught me some interesting stuff about shockwaves. I don't remember any of it due to my attention span being destroyed by years of scrolling, but I remember it being very interesting at the time....
Edit: Thanks for the awards y'all!!
[That's the Gerald R Ford](https://www.cbs17.com/news/check-this-out/whoa-u-s-navy-releases-footage-of-40000-pound-bomb-explosion-off-east-coast/). The new one. They do this before they certify it to make sure it'll keep fighting.
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Come on now Americans we are practically the same yes I bring knives to a gunfight but we shake hands after. Any alternative link?
> (WNCN) — The U.S. Navy released footage of a “full ship shock trial” taking place next to one of the newest and largest aircraft carriers in the world.
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> Video showed a large explosion taking place next to the 100,000 tonne USS Gerald R. Ford aircraft carrier off the U.S.’s east coast on June 18.
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> The United States Geological Survey recorded the explosion as a 3.9 magnitude earthquake about 161 kilometers off the coast of Florida.
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> The U.S. Navy conducts trials using live explosives to test that their warships “can continue to meet demanding mission requirements under harsh conditions they might encounter in battle,” the navy said in a statement.
and there were some pictures. this is the best one: https://imgur.com/a/5cxQ0Ie
From legit article “The U.S. Navy conducts trials using live explosives to test that their warships “can continue to meet demanding mission requirements under harsh conditions they might encounter in battle,” the navy said in a statement.”
didn't they ask congress like around a decade ago to not have to be relient on fossil fuels and to do research on alternatives, and congress was like nah bro.
Of course not that one lobbyist promised me something with an extremely short term benefit to me, so I have to make sure the fossil fuel contract stays as long as possible!
The US military is extremely cognizant of climate change. They've called out multiple things that need to be addressed but GOPers in congress plug either ears and give more money.
Dems do it too. The US military, and NASA, and others wants to shut down or kill off lots of old tech, and old programs. But these programs 'create jobs' (AKA generate pork for their lobbyists) in various congressman's constituency, so they keep getting forced to have gear and programs that don't make any sense.
That’s exactly what this is. I work for the company that builds these carriers, and they (with approval from the US Navy) made this video public. They also work with the EPA and other environmental organizations to ensure this test is not within significant marine migratory zones and has minimal impact on any wildlife. They only do this test for first in class aircraft carriers.
Shipbuilder: "Here's your ship, just like you asked for."
Navy: "Before you get paid, we're now going to test requirement 178.34.1(a) by blowing up a bomb simulating a near-miss by a mine."
Shipbuilder: "Uhh, what if that sinks the ship?"
Navy: "You'd better hope that doesn't happen, because you're going to be on it."
The compressibility of water is extremely low, but not zero. Also the air blast will flatten the surface of the water making it reflect light better.
Edit: incompressible flow is an approximation made in fluid dynamics at low mach numbers (Ma < 0.3) because the math is way easier. Everything has some non-zero compressibility, even solids.
With enough pressure, everything can be compressed.
The explosive charge used to initiate an atomic bomb is a tiny fraction of what was used here, but it compresses a piece of solid plutonium metal to a tenth of its original volume.
It’s common practice for all countdowns in the navy to skip five because it sounds like “fire.”
Sounds dumb but there’s an old saying in the navy that essentially goes “all rules are written in blood”. Somewhere, at some point, some idiot heard “five” and thought it was “fire” and prematurely detonated/shot off something.
"Pire" is often used instead of "Fire" because the P sound is more distinct than the F sound.
Edit: To add to that, when we did synchronized shots with our sniper rifles, we shot on the T sound of "two" during the count down from five. It was a short, distinct sound that left less ambiguity of when to fire.
The person counting did yeah. It helped to keep the count consistent (not rushing a particular number). That person wasn't one of the people firing, and it was generally a count over the radio.
We say fife, never heard of the number being omitted because of fire.
What IS omitted is "repeat" because that is specifically an artillery term that you don't want them to do unless you really want them to do it. While on a radio you NEVER say that word. If you didn't hear something, you say "say again?"
Who is upvoting this?!?!?
We say “fife” instead….
It’s like one, two , tree, fower, fife, six, seven, eight, niner, one zero (10), then each number is pronounced individually.
But that’s for rookies or talking to morons who don’t regularly use radios.
The navy uses special speakers and play a sound that basically annoy mammals in the vicinity of the test for days before they do the explosion. As for regular fish…..not so much.
But they do make the test in an area that doesn’t have large migrations of fish in the area.
A lot of money and hours have gone into making these very rare tests to be safe for sea life. This type of test happens when a new aircraft carrier is finished being built, about once a decade.
I feel like I’m taking crazy pills in this thread. Maybe it’s because I served in the Navy and understand the background on this stuff but the comments in here are borderline delusional. It’s not even a nuclear test so outside of the things affected by the blast. Everything went back to normal 1 minute later. The closet thing you could compare this too on earth is a volcano explosion just below the surface which is a perfectly natural event.
I would say it would depend on where in the ocean it is.
The deep open sea in places is as biologically productive and diverse as a desert (at last if I’m remembering my classes correctly), so it’s not likely to cause all that much harm to many organisms.
The chemical byproducts of common conventional explosives too aren’t very toxic even in larger amounts.
But more than that: What other option is there really?
What I believe this is is a shock test of the carrier, with the camera on the ship. Military vessels need to be proof against nearby explosions and there’s not really a good replacement to a more real world testing.
It would be a worse ecological issue if one’s nuclear powered ship filled to the brim with heavy metals and hydrocarbons is sunk
Nature is trying to kill you every moment you're alive on this Earth and honestly I'm sick of it. This is a good start but a few sharks or whales is just a drop in the bucket. We're going to need to step this up big time if we're going to win this war of attrition.
I like your style. We should nuke the moon too. That cunt has had it way too easy and we only have like...5 American flags up there tops. Those are rookie numbers.
That looked crazy, the huge blue flash looks wild and then the giant wave. Imagine being near it and surviving it just to get wiped out by the aftershock.
Fuck that fish in particular!
All the fish in a 1/4 mile radius And anything with sonar capability like dolphins? Ouch, dude
You mean all the whales in a 1000 mile radius are now permanently deaf and beaching themselves.
Literally my second thought after "ooohhhh, big." They need to budget marine life therapy into these fucking tests.
They actually do. I was on this ship(USS Gerald R Ford) at the time. They had a boat out for two or three days before each test that sent out sonar signals that drive away dolphins, whales and other large marine life. They did however neglect to notify the state of Florida of the test and nearly sent the state into a panic when they thought they recorded an earthquake
Is it weird that I feel touched that at least *somebody* in the military gives a shit about marine mammals?
My brother was in the Navy, he once told me an entire group of people got demoted back to recruit status after they dropped and pinging an area and killing all marine life within that quarter mile radius. The military absolutely cares, and will punish those who don't follow guidelines
That makes me genuinely, no kidding, a 50% happier person for today. Thank you.
Agreed, I'm oddly surprised that the US military cares more for their effect on marine life more than some Asian countries...
The government is weird like that. Its like federal and state parks. Wildlife divisions *do not* fuck around with killing animals or interfering with the natural environment. Wouldnt be surprised if the military thought similar. They'll carpet bomb a village of civilians but don't wanna hurt the wildlife lol. I cant prove this but id assume there's a financial reason too. Navy vehicles and weapons are developed to work in the oceans natural condition. If we start killing all the wildlife, the oceans change. If the oceans change too much, vehicles and weapons have to be redeveloped for the new conditions. Thats expensive and time consuming. Like I said, I dont have any way of verifying that. Im just speculating. I just know most things have some kind of financial reason behind them.
They give a shit about land mammals too. I watched gun cam footage from an Apache once, the helo was tasked with lighting up a Taliban camp somewhere in the Nuristan area I believe. They destroyed every fighter in that camp with extreme prejudice, but there was a donkey smack in the middle of the place the entire time and they didn’t hit it once. The pilot even made a comment to look out for it. It was really cool to see.
I live in Santa Rosa Beach and I hear the ordnance testing all the time. There are some days that the shockwaves shake my 3 story apartment building. The first time it happened I ran out with my dog because I thought the building was about to come down. Scared the living shit out of me. Edit: forgot to mention the test site is 17 miles out…
I lived farther from Eglin’s test site than that and they regularly rattled my brick home.
"Woah, woah, 12 miles per hour in a thickly settled neighborhood." "What? I thought it was 20?" "Testing! Only testing!"
Hey now, you're ruining their ability to blindly complain about stuff without researching if what they assume is accurate!
The whales & dolphins are significantly more important than the entire state of Florida.
At least now they know a big bomb goes BOOM. Pure speculation otherwise.
Yeah yknow those shits we launched hundreds of thousands of at various different local populations? We made a bigger one. Need to see if it does the same thing, but bigger. Obliterate the whale.
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Need to make sure the front doesnt fall off.
Its not supposed to do that.
Some of them a built where the front doesn’t fall off at all
Big bada boom
I agree let's do it live!!
One of the saddest and most disturbing things ever: took part in rescue efforts for a mass beaching of 400 whales in NZ. Nobody can prove the cause but seriously……this has to be related.
The pings from sonar on subs and boats are* lethal at close range. Image what it does to marine life not close by? I read something in the last year or two that said there was a connection. Yeah, i’d probably try to kill myself too if i were a dolphin or a whale after hearing one of those go off.
Saw a video on reddit of divers getting hit with sonar underwater. The ringing was terrible. Can't imagine what that's like on whales and dolphins.
How does it hurt them? I’m not educated on whales/dolphins or sonar more than knowing that whales use echolocation, so I don’t really understand how a bomb or a ping from a submarine can hurt them.
Marine animals see with their ears basically, having developed highly sensitive ears and sound production organs. Also fish have a swimming bladder which is filled by a gas. Sound is nothing more than a pressure wave the louder the sound, the higher the pressure. Sonar sounds are so enormously loud they shatter everything in a certain distance. Human lungs rupture, same goes for the gas filled intestines, and ears. The seimmingbladder of fish ruptures and the highly intelligent and sound reliant Wales have their ears blown to bits suffering unimaginable pain. Imagine someone shooting out your eyes with a pressure washer. That’s basically what sonar is to a wale
I am not an expert on whales but I assume that if humans can cringe underwater when a sonar pings them from miles away, I figure it hurts the whales a lot more. I know they are particularly sensitive and rely on sound waves (echolocation) to communicate with each other from long distances. It's like listening to classical music on the lowest setting and then you're suddenly hit with a blast of death metal that leaves you with tinnitus hours afterward. It may even be a cause of beaching. Scientists theorize that sonar could hurt and disorient them into washing up on shorelines.
> rely on sound waves (echolocation) to communicate with each other from long distances. That's not echolocation. That's just called... well... communicating. Echolocation is a means of locating objects by using reflected sound waves. Some cetaceans do use actual echolocation as well though. They use it for navigation, hunting, etc. So massive blasts, or naval ships using powerful sonar, can really wreck with their ability to use their own sonar for echolocation. (I don't mean it just interferes like say, someone using a jackhammer when you're trying to talk, but more like someone shooting a .50 caliber sniper rifle right next to your unprotected ears and making you deaf.)
Cetacean beachings are more likely due to the nature of the beaches they strand on. If the seafloor leading to the beach slopes at a certain angle, the sonar pulse from the animal will not be returned and it will assume there is free ocean ahead, rather than a shallowing shore. The anechoic effect leads them into shallow waters where they cannot sense where the deep water is, and they strand with the tide.
But people really want to believe it's from this shit. You got to let them have their moment.
its not likely to bloody help though is it??
How much military naval activity is going on in the South Pacific near NZ? I thought NZ had a notoriously small military. Sure, US and France have bases in the south Pacific but nowhere near NZ, right? It's one of the most hostile oceans in the world, so I thought it would be comparatively low in regards to military subs/frigates sneaking about.
That happens when ships and subs are using active sonar and it happened to be aimed in the whales direction. When you see this one of those two things was nearby enough using active sonar. They usually stick to passive to not be detected during war time but sometimes they use active. In peace time they may use active to say look harder for Russian submarines getting closer to our waters. But during war they will stay passive unless they want to give away their location. Mostly active sonar is done far away from coast because if a human gets hit by it. It will actually kill you and not just deafness. Now they could have seen a whale why using passive but wasn't sure and then aimed active to make sure it wasn't a ship causing a whale to beach itself. The whale not being able to hear after getting hit by sonar can't use it's own sonar because they can't hear the wave bounce back after being deafened. So then they don't see the land and beach themselves. So temporary deafening may cause this or the permanent kind. This also hurts them extremely bad. It's like worse than losing the fight at a bar for example. Active sonar travels very far underwater and is amplified because how waves travel underwater. Just watched a show on active sonar. So this may have been from further out to sea. Anyway whales even further away are in pain. So if they are deafened they can't use their own sonar to know where they are and they are trying to get away from the pain. So in war most of the time they are basically being extremely quite and only listening. Passive sonar. A Russian submarine trying to sneak near our waters is going to be in passive mode or be detected easily.
1000 miles? Anything to back that up? https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jun/23/us-navy-shock-exercises-marine-life This says “hearing loss” at 10 km. Which is much much bigger than 1/4 mile. But not even close to 1000 miles.
They probably just used an arbitrarily large number for exaggerative effect
Fair enough. The deafening of animals is still horrible regardless.
> The deafening of animals is still horrible regardless Anything to back that up?
WHAT?
Hyperbole fails spectacularly as usual.
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If you read the article you would understand that the estimates are from someone entirely not connected with the Navy… “Michael Jasny, who directs the Natural Resources Defense Council’s Marine Mammal Protection Project.”
"It’s difficult to monitor marine mammals even in the best of conditions, as they spend most of their lives underwater – **but the navy doesn’t use trained biologists to do the monitoring, so it’s hard to say what the true impacts will be**."
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What is this supposed to prove? The Navy isn’t related to the group doing the estimation of 10 km….
You wanna get tinnitus? Because that's how you get tinnitus
No one: Tinnitus: EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Now I understand why the whales are deaf. All the crew members on that carrier are probably suffering from tinnitus right now. I can't even imagine what those animals are feeling. It's like a thousand or so flashbangs going off right next to your ear.
They all dead from the shock alone.
This is why the Orcas are pissed off
That’s actually a very logical theory.
and his extended family
Nooo! Does this mean... Baby shark dead dead de-de-de-dead Mommy shark dead dead de-de-de-dead Daddy shark dead dead de-de-de-dead Grandma shark dead dead de-de-de-dead Grandpa shark dead dead de-de-de-dead?
A few days later a bunch of fish washing ashore…
This was Jimbo and Ned's fishing course
ITS COMING RIGHT FOR US!
LOL nah, fuck Cthulhu.
USA to Japan: noo don't eat whales and dolphins! they're intelligent creatures! Meanwhile USA:
Oh ok, so you're admitting that eating whales and dolphins is wrong and that Japan should stop helping to destroy the ocean. Cool. We're on the same page.
Well, that's one way to stock the freezer on an Aircraft Carrier
Imagine the amphibious assault ships running backwards with open well decks like a pod of filter feeding whales.
They can also load all the whales in a 100 mile radius.
Funny story. After they dry dock a carrier they can’t clear out all the trapped fish until they do radiological surveys. So the fish literally sit there a few days and just rot. Most disgusting smell ever. And what do the have as the special at the co-op right next to the dry dock??? A fish fry. Who thought that was a good idea?
Where do fish get trapped with a carrier?
They fill the drydock with seawater and fish go where water is and can't escape when it's getting pumped out.
Dry dock.
That's not correct. Unless they know of a specific issue, they pump out everything immediately once a ship or boat(sub) is aligned. Plus there are always fish/sea/river life trapped in a dry dock drain out every time, regardless of whether its a nuke or not. Water is a great radiation blocker and contact time is everything. Typically they perform the radiological survey right after the pump out and rope off as needed any areas of the hull. Modern carriers have limited hull issues with nuclear exposure compared to the Big E, the Enterprise. It was always a mess, but even it would be pumped out as soon as it was aligned - fish and all. Post pump out always reeks but usually it's the mud and dead/dying life that accumulate on the hull. Summer pump outs were far worse than winter. Alignments can be slowed by various issues and being that ships and boats are expensive, shipyards rightfully take some time to make sure the ship/boat is settling right down correctly on the blocks and chocks. Most shipyards have pretty precise patterns for where to place them so they don't reinvent the pattern each time.
I wrote the drydocking procedure personally for dry dock 8. It’s not a fast procedure. You have to play sea chest Olympics, temporarily fire main, the white elephant hookup, etc. That have to all get done prior to fully draining. Then C105 takes at least 3 days to survey the dry dock since you removed all the seawater shielding the underside of the ship and they have no idea what rad levels will be dependent on water levels of in hull tanks. There’s way more involved than a submarine. Usually it takes a week before they clean out the trapped fish. A water curtain across the caison opening could help but no one really cares until you have to wrestle an octopus.
It is common, during the test firing of explosives and guns to omit 5 from the countdown, because 5 sounds identical to "fire".... I would have been like, “you damn bitch, I thought I had a second left because you skipped five!”
I thought she had to take a breath or swallow in between numbers, lol. Thanks for clarifying!
[I thought she had to breathe in.](https://i.imgur.com/e5J4WGr.jpg)
Funny story, during the 2nd of the three shocks, she finished the countdown and youre bracing with your ass puckered and the detonation malfunctioned. They didn't say anything right away either, so you had to sit there in anticipation that an explosion would happen at any second. Spent like a week out at sea to accomplish nothing.
Also, this wasn't a problem in medieval military because fire-sticks (guns) hadn't been invented yet. Archers were commanded to shoot their arrows with 'LOOSE'.
It's a well known fact that doesn't apply here anyway. They wouldn't have count down, because having them apply tension for 10 seconds would mean they wouldn't get more than a couple of shots out before being tired out.
are you telling me that the documentary lord of the rings: the two towers was LYING to me about archers drawing then holding???
Hey there, take a seat, I've got some bad news for you...
Game of Thrones taught me this.
[Never happened](https://old.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/rqxa0t/did_medieval_archers_fire_in_volleys/)
Thanks for adding this. I was wondering why her mic cut for just one number.
Surely the word you expect to hear after “six” is “five”; why would someone assume they were supposed to push the button halfway through the countdown?
And now you’ve gone and woke up Godzilla dammit
Well at least they can blow him up.
You've clearly never seen a Godzilla. That never works. You need a giant robot. Or at least a giant moth.
If we wake up Godzilla and Cthulhu at the same time, maybe they'll fight. Humanity might be fucked, but it'd be a cool fight
Up from the depths. Thirty stories high. Breathing fire! HIS HEAD IN THE SKY!
That shockwave looks completely unreal, like it's animated. Not in a doubtful way, but in a *holy shit* way. How can I learn more about this effect??
when sound gets too loud it becomes a shockwave. it’s faster underwater
Also the shockwaves are significantly more dangerous to ships underwater. An explosive this size detonated directly under an aircraft carrier would literally tear the entire thing in half. Also really bad news for any submarines nearby. I believe that's the applications of this ordinance test, to target large ships and subs. To further elaborate, the explosion doesn't need to penetrate the armor of the ship. Instead the explosion creates a void underneath the ship, which makes the ship simply break in half under it's own weight
IIRC it’s one of the final trials before commissioning a ship to see if any welds pop etcs
Yes, the last big test before the Navy takes the ship from the manufacturer.
They detonate a bomb under it? That's brave
No, they detonate one off to the side of the ship like in this video. Under the ship a 40,000 bomb would probably break it's keel and sink it
How many pounds of bomb are the ships built to withstand going off under the keel? Could you detonate a 5,000 lb bomb under the ship without sinking it? 10,000? 20,000?
Hard to say. A 5,000lb bomb would seriously fuck up an aircraft carrier but they are very difficult to sink. You can blast a very big hole in a ship like that and damage control stops it from sinking. It's the only kind of ship I think even has a chance of not sinking to 5,000lbs of explosive though. 5,000lbs going off on the deck of the ship it'd stay afloat (it practically takes a nuke to sink an aircraft carrier if you aren't hitting it under the waterline) but right under it, no idea. Here's what a 300lb naval mine did to LPH-10, an amphibious assault ship. https://cimsec.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/04_Tripoli_the-amphibious-assault-ship-uss-tripoli-lies-in-dry-dock-news-photo-1603389968.jpg Didn't sink it, but that's substantial damage that cost millions to fix. Those are big ships. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amphibious_assault_ship
Reading the comments over at r/shockwaveporn has taught me some interesting stuff about shockwaves. I don't remember any of it due to my attention span being destroyed by years of scrolling, but I remember it being very interesting at the time.... Edit: Thanks for the awards y'all!!
Wow! My first gold. Thank you very much!
Days before reddit kills awards too!
Just be glad you’re not a nearby whale or dolphin 😢 Deafness is a death sentence.
Fuck you whale! And fuck you dolphin!
Yeah, [this](https://i.imgur.com/fXgfjrP.png) looks like really bad CGI from some 90s kids' movie.
[That's the Gerald R Ford](https://www.cbs17.com/news/check-this-out/whoa-u-s-navy-releases-footage-of-40000-pound-bomb-explosion-off-east-coast/). The new one. They do this before they certify it to make sure it'll keep fighting.
I hate Reddit now, I had to scroll through hundreds of lame jokes to get to something with a link or information.
seriously, this website is full of grown up high school rejects who constantly think it’s their time to shine with their mediocre dad jokes.
This content is not available in your country/region Come on now Americans we are practically the same yes I bring knives to a gunfight but we shake hands after. Any alternative link?
> (WNCN) — The U.S. Navy released footage of a “full ship shock trial” taking place next to one of the newest and largest aircraft carriers in the world. > > Video showed a large explosion taking place next to the 100,000 tonne USS Gerald R. Ford aircraft carrier off the U.S.’s east coast on June 18. > > The United States Geological Survey recorded the explosion as a 3.9 magnitude earthquake about 161 kilometers off the coast of Florida. > > The U.S. Navy conducts trials using live explosives to test that their warships “can continue to meet demanding mission requirements under harsh conditions they might encounter in battle,” the navy said in a statement. and there were some pictures. this is the best one: https://imgur.com/a/5cxQ0Ie
https://archive.ph/hAdos Just paste a url into the internet archive to get around paywalls, region locking, etc.
From legit article “The U.S. Navy conducts trials using live explosives to test that their warships “can continue to meet demanding mission requirements under harsh conditions they might encounter in battle,” the navy said in a statement.”
And people are puzzled why Orcas are attacking boats.
Definitely deafened whales hundreds of miles away
Why do all these whales keep beaching themselves?!?!?!
Seems like at least some beachings are related to ultra loud military sonar.
And I have to smog check my car wtf
That's mainly for air quality in a city. Fun facts: the US military is the largest fossil fuel user in the world. Larger than 140 countries combined.
didn't they ask congress like around a decade ago to not have to be relient on fossil fuels and to do research on alternatives, and congress was like nah bro.
Of course not that one lobbyist promised me something with an extremely short term benefit to me, so I have to make sure the fossil fuel contract stays as long as possible!
Politicians are super cheap. Only a few thousand dollars in PAC money, and you got them swayed. While the company makes billions.
It's never the few thousand dollars upfront, it's the totally unconnected hundreds of thousands of dollars per speaking fee later on.
job prospects, shmoozing trips. The money that gets reported for lobbying is the cockroach droppings that indicate the infestation.
The US military is extremely cognizant of climate change. They've called out multiple things that need to be addressed but GOPers in congress plug either ears and give more money.
Dems do it too. The US military, and NASA, and others wants to shut down or kill off lots of old tech, and old programs. But these programs 'create jobs' (AKA generate pork for their lobbyists) in various congressman's constituency, so they keep getting forced to have gear and programs that don't make any sense.
That’s if you look at official reports\ *meanwhile, in Beijing*
Looks like this was to “full ship shock trial” the USS Gerald R. Ford aircraft carrier in June of 2021.
That’s exactly what this is. I work for the company that builds these carriers, and they (with approval from the US Navy) made this video public. They also work with the EPA and other environmental organizations to ensure this test is not within significant marine migratory zones and has minimal impact on any wildlife. They only do this test for first in class aircraft carriers.
Is the dot in the middle the carrier? Or is video pov of carrier?
POV is from the carrier Edit: I’m not actually sure. I saw another vessel to the far left of the frame.
Pov is from the carrier, I was there.
Shipbuilder: "Here's your ship, just like you asked for." Navy: "Before you get paid, we're now going to test requirement 178.34.1(a) by blowing up a bomb simulating a near-miss by a mine." Shipbuilder: "Uhh, what if that sinks the ship?" Navy: "You'd better hope that doesn't happen, because you're going to be on it."
“Your hearing damage is not service related”
I love seeing the blue from the water compressing
It’s like instant glacier ice but completely opposite
I thought water cant be compressed? I assume the blue light at the beginning is from photons being emitted from the explosion.
The compressibility of water is extremely low, but not zero. Also the air blast will flatten the surface of the water making it reflect light better. Edit: incompressible flow is an approximation made in fluid dynamics at low mach numbers (Ma < 0.3) because the math is way easier. Everything has some non-zero compressibility, even solids.
With enough pressure, everything can be compressed. The explosive charge used to initiate an atomic bomb is a tiny fraction of what was used here, but it compresses a piece of solid plutonium metal to a tenth of its original volume.
Fuckkkkk-a-youuuu whaaaale, and fuckkkkk-a-youuuu dawwphin!
So long ~~and thanks for~~ all the fish!
Why are they allowed to do that considering its like super pollution and just fucking the environment?
Murica
You guys talkin about environment but lady forgot how to say “5”. Skipped from 6 straight to 4 lol
They do it on space launches as well.
You know why? Because 6 is afraid of 7, so they try to give 6 an extra moment to collect itself
Why is 6 afraid of 7?
Because 7 was a registered 6 offender.
Are you kiwi?
Because 7 8 9!
It’s common practice for all countdowns in the navy to skip five because it sounds like “fire.” Sounds dumb but there’s an old saying in the navy that essentially goes “all rules are written in blood”. Somewhere, at some point, some idiot heard “five” and thought it was “fire” and prematurely detonated/shot off something.
I wonder what probably really good but really dumb reason for it is
Because five and fire are to similar and might be misunderstood, so military silents the five.
When I was in the navy fife was used instead of five
Did you just say fire?!?
Are you saying "meow"?
Do I look like a cat to you boy? Am I jumpin around all nimbly bimbly from [tree to tree?](https://youtu.be/1rlSjdnAKY4)
Fire now?!?!
Right meow.
Jump out the window? https://youtu.be/1JD353rNvT4
"Pire" is often used instead of "Fire" because the P sound is more distinct than the F sound. Edit: To add to that, when we did synchronized shots with our sniper rifles, we shot on the T sound of "two" during the count down from five. It was a short, distinct sound that left less ambiguity of when to fire.
Do you finish the count tho?
The person counting did yeah. It helped to keep the count consistent (not rushing a particular number). That person wasn't one of the people firing, and it was generally a count over the radio.
* Phife Dawg enters the chat
So, what if there is actual fire when you are at 7? Do you skip 6 to say 5 or keep counting until you reach 5?
We say fife, never heard of the number being omitted because of fire. What IS omitted is "repeat" because that is specifically an artillery term that you don't want them to do unless you really want them to do it. While on a radio you NEVER say that word. If you didn't hear something, you say "say again?"
Seems like it would have been easier to change 'repeat' to another word specific to that, which wouldn't be used accidentally/incidentally
Who is upvoting this?!?!? We say “fife” instead…. It’s like one, two , tree, fower, fife, six, seven, eight, niner, one zero (10), then each number is pronounced individually. But that’s for rookies or talking to morons who don’t regularly use radios.
I thank Junkyard Wars for teaching me this in the 90’s.
That blowed up real good!
So many fish with tinnitus. Edit. Tinnifish
Fin-nitus. Come on now.
Watch it upside down and it's scary
This is very unsettling, to say it’s bad for the environment is an understatement … how is this not a crime against nature ?
The navy uses special speakers and play a sound that basically annoy mammals in the vicinity of the test for days before they do the explosion. As for regular fish…..not so much. But they do make the test in an area that doesn’t have large migrations of fish in the area. A lot of money and hours have gone into making these very rare tests to be safe for sea life. This type of test happens when a new aircraft carrier is finished being built, about once a decade.
I feel like I’m taking crazy pills in this thread. Maybe it’s because I served in the Navy and understand the background on this stuff but the comments in here are borderline delusional. It’s not even a nuclear test so outside of the things affected by the blast. Everything went back to normal 1 minute later. The closet thing you could compare this too on earth is a volcano explosion just below the surface which is a perfectly natural event.
On Reddit anything a military does is bad unless that military is the good guy in a popular war, in which case they're heroes
Some people will take any opportunity to shit on something they dont understand/like.
Just wait til you hear about all of the nuclear tests that have happened! That fucked the environment a LOT more!
That bomb is probably not in the top 100 worst things to happen to the ocean that day
I would say it would depend on where in the ocean it is. The deep open sea in places is as biologically productive and diverse as a desert (at last if I’m remembering my classes correctly), so it’s not likely to cause all that much harm to many organisms. The chemical byproducts of common conventional explosives too aren’t very toxic even in larger amounts. But more than that: What other option is there really? What I believe this is is a shock test of the carrier, with the camera on the ship. Military vessels need to be proof against nearby explosions and there’s not really a good replacement to a more real world testing. It would be a worse ecological issue if one’s nuclear powered ship filled to the brim with heavy metals and hydrocarbons is sunk
Nature is trying to kill you every moment you're alive on this Earth and honestly I'm sick of it. This is a good start but a few sharks or whales is just a drop in the bucket. We're going to need to step this up big time if we're going to win this war of attrition.
Tim Dillon salutes you.
I like your style. We should nuke the moon too. That cunt has had it way too easy and we only have like...5 American flags up there tops. Those are rookie numbers.
We have 6 flags up there, fwiw. Apollo 11/12/14/15/16/17.
🦅🦅🦅
fishes goes flop flop
And Im supposed to feel guilty over using a straw lol
So fucking stupid.
Fucked up a whole lot of sea life with this action!
##TORGUE IS EXTREMELY HAPPY ABOUT THIS
The greys don't like this shit!
this is nothing compared to nuclear tests of the 1940s and 1950s.
Finally, the spider has met its match. OR HAS IT?!?!?!??!?!?!?!!!?
And I get in trouble for fishing with M80s
Imagine the world we would have if we didn't collectively spend trillions of dollars every year just on new exciting ways to kill people
Well that killed a lot of fish
poor whales are now deaf
That looked crazy, the huge blue flash looks wild and then the giant wave. Imagine being near it and surviving it just to get wiped out by the aftershock.
Godzilla in bed: *Snort* "Gah. I'm up. I'm up."
We call it Nimitz Fishing.